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Infinity G35 Coupe or Ford SVT Cobra?
I may trade up next year. Any thoughts?
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dx3162
08-11-2002, 09:59 PM
I would normally say don't get the ford, but I read somewhere that the '03 Cobra will be stock supercharger with Three hundred and something horsepower. I'd definitely look into that. If not, then go with the G35.
nyoneway
08-11-2002, 10:15 PM
Totally different class...
I'm getting the G35 Coupe. More comfortable, better interior, looks better, and maybe lighter.
Plus, a addon SC are in the works. With the SC, it will run with the SVT on the quarter. The G35 coupe is getting about 285+ hp stock, with the SC it will push close to 400.
FriedRice
08-11-2002, 10:19 PM
i would choose the g35. dont call me narrowminded or whatever, i just dont feel it for the svt. the ford WILL knock the socks off the g35 in terms of speed, but i'd go for some luxury.... just my personal preference... if you want speed and just speed... get the svt. definitely. dunno about the reliability of either.... they have g35 forums... there are complaints about cheap interior or something like that.
go test drive both. it's the only way.
CelicaGTS6906
08-11-2002, 10:28 PM
No, the Cobra comes with 390 horsepower stock not 330. :naughty:
nyoneway
08-11-2002, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by CelicaGTS6906
No, the Cobra comes with 390 horsepower stock not 330. :naughty:
Who are you talking to?
I believe that Ford released the Cobra to compete directly with the C5 Z06. I know that Ford upgraded the interior. I haven't seen an 03 Cobra yet, so I'll have to drop by the dealer.
What's interesting about the Cobra is that it is stock 390 BHP/390 ft-lbs Torque with a modified race suspension geometry and drive train.
I may just go for sporty luxury with less power and go with the G35 Coupe. I hope Infinity releases one with a 5/6 speed manual soon.
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SlasherX
08-11-2002, 11:17 PM
the new cobra can not hang with teh zo6 stock for stock, it will however rock the normal C5.
the advantage to the SVT lies in its powerplant. people are making over 400 hp to the wheels by swapping in a stock Lightning blower pulley, a catback exhaust and a k&n.
the 390bhp is underrated. ;)
but other than that, two totally different cars in two totally different classes. if you want performance, you go SVT, if you want luxury, you go G35..the two shouldn't be confused for each other in their respective genres, ever.
Redline
08-11-2002, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by SlasherX
the new cobra can not hang with teh zo6 stock for stock, it will however rock the normal C5.
the advantage to the SVT lies in its powerplant. people are making over 400 hp to the wheels by swapping in a stock Lightning blower pulley, a catback exhaust and a k&n.
the 390bhp is underrated. ;)
but other than that, two totally different cars in two totally different classes. if you want performance, you go SVT, if you want luxury, you go G35..the two shouldn't be confused for each other in their respective genres, ever.
That sig is awesome! :D
Both cars are $35K. I've been hearing all of this crap that the G35 will MSRP for around $29K, but I think we all know that will be for a car without any options. I guarantee you leather, bigger wheels tires, better sound system, bigger brakes, and all of that stuff will be options, and they will be options everyone is going to want. When Nissan announced the 350Z would be a $26K car, I thought, "awesome, an affordable Japanese RWD sport coupe". Then when prices and configurations came out, I of course wanted the Track model like everyone else probably does, and then the car went from being an affordable $26K, to a very unaffordable $35K. I'm positive Infinity is going to pull the same **** with the G35.
I think the G35 is really beautiful, much nicer looking then the 350Z actually, and even though the SVT Stang has serious horsepower, I will always go Japanese over American. I don't trust Ford to build a reliable car, not even a $35K one. Plus, even though the SVT has a better interior than the standard Stang, it still looks like a Mustang, which in my opinion means unsophisticated. G35 all the way, that car is going to be a classy head-turner.
Karim
08-12-2002, 02:40 AM
i think i'd look to the 350z over boht. No downs to either car but right now the G is to lux for me (that could change if they put in an auto tranny) and the cobra won't handle as well for my taste. Granted the car will handle decent even though i'd prolly drop tons of money into suspension for either car, it won't handle like the 350. Plus i hate to say it but i think the cobra would be too much power for me, I can see myself going through tires too flipping quick. Not only that my insurance would play hell with a V8 Sced and when it ocmes to styling the 350 gets it for me over the cobra, but that's subjective.
Cobra or g35, the cobra takes the cake here. Whatever i own would most likely get tracked a lot and would get seats and such replaced and I wouldn't want ot do that to the G and once again the G isn't out in a stick yet.
Karim
WillyK
08-12-2002, 06:12 AM
If you want something that is fast, who cares about luxury? You people are starting to sound like the guys from clubrsx...."well at least we have luxury"
nyoneway
08-12-2002, 06:44 AM
DGS: The G35 invoice is about 25.5k, if you wait for the initial rush of buyers to thin out, you can get the car for around 26k and start adding options. With options like 18" volks racing rims, Brembo brakes, Navigation will put you over 32k, but those are options that are not found on the Mustang. Hard to compare.
WillyK: You are wrong. For people who commute and has lives, we need luxury. You can't use the potential of the car 100% of the time, but luxury u can. Why can't we have luxury AND speed for the same price? Plus better reliability, gas milage, insurance and safety?
WillyK
08-12-2002, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by nyoneway
WillyK: You are wrong. For people who commute and has lives, we need luxury. You can't use the potential of the car 100% of the time, but luxury u can. Why can't we have luxury AND speed for the same price? Plus better reliability, gas milage, insurance and safety?
I do commute, 40 miles a day and I have a life, but I'd still take a better sports car over a slower luxury car anyday. If you want performance you have to make sacrifices or pay a lot of money. The G35 is a sweet car, but I'd take the 03 Cobra over it any day of the week. You never need luxury, no matter what you think.
autxr
08-12-2002, 10:14 AM
Cobra or G35...
Hmmm
Do you like Apples better or Oranges?
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 10:22 AM
whoever said the 350Z would outhandle the new Cobra is smoking some good ****. the new 350z is more on par with a regular mustang gt in the handling department going by both slalom and skidpad numbers. Look it up. New Cobra is waaay ahead of both of them.
ringthree
08-12-2002, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by WillyK
If you want something that is fast, who cares about luxury? You people are starting to sound like the guys from clubrsx...."well at least we have luxury"
That is EXACTLY correct Willy.
They sound like pussies after saying oh we are faster, then when everyone that doesn't own an RSX says they are wrong, they revert to saying "oh well WE have LUXURY". If you are making comparisons the SVT WILL OWN the G35, IN EVERY WAY! Handling, speed, twisties or drag.
Oh and the seats are supposed to very nice in the Mustang too.
autxr
08-12-2002, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by ringthree
Oh and the seats are supposed to very nice in the Mustang too.
That would be a first
Originally posted by nyoneway
DGS: The G35 invoice is about 25.5k, if you wait for the initial rush of buyers to thin out, you can get the car for around 26k and start adding options. With options like 18" volks racing rims, Brembo brakes, Navigation will put you over 32k, but those are options that are not found on the Mustang. Hard to compare.
WillyK: You are wrong. For people who commute and has lives, we need luxury. You can't use the potential of the car 100% of the time, but luxury u can. Why can't we have luxury AND speed for the same price? Plus better reliability, gas milage, insurance and safety?
Where are you getting an invoice price of $25.5K? For the G35 coupe? Don't know about that. As far as waiting for excitement to die down, you're gonna be waiting for a long time. I think it will be a significant period of time before you will be able to get the car for $500 over invoice. And who cares if the car is offered with options the Stang doesn't have? I don't think it's a direct comparison, and most people are going to want those options. If there is a sport package, people are going to want it, if there is a leather package, people are going to want it, if there is a sound system package, people are going to want it. My point was, when Infiniti says the car will be available for $29K, what they fail to tell you, is basically for that you will be getting a BASE car for that. Nissan pulled the same crap with the 350Z. Go price one out, the base mode which I believe is $26K, doesn't come with ANYTHING. Not even leather seats for that price. It's a big sham. BMW pulls that crap too with their pricing model as is Subura with the WRX. The car is initially priced affordably, but once you start adding options the price shoots to the moon. In many cases for the price being asked, I think those "options" shouldn't be options, they should come standard with the car.
Also, whoever says luxury isn't part of the equation, is either very young, or doesn't have to spend more than an hour a day in his/her car. Of course it's important. Unless you are at the track all day, most "normal" people have to spend their time driving over rough city pavement, sitting in traffic for hours, and commuting other people around. Sorry to say, I would rather do all of that in a comfortable and stylish car, rather than an uncomfortable, stylish car. In my opinion, the G35 is a much nicer looking car than the new SVT Stang, and even though the Stang might be a little quicker, who cares, you gonna be at the track everyday? If so, than maybe the Stang is your car, otherwise, the G35 will be a much better blend of reliability, luxury, peformance, and beauty. Not only that, but I'm sure the G35 is going to get much better gas milage than the Stang (I think it gets something atrocious like 14mpg city/25mgp hwy), which also has to be taken into real world consideration. Finally, as expensive as the G35 is going to be to insure, I'm positive the SVT Stang is going to be even worse on the wallet, much worse.
A Ford, is a Ford, and you can dress up a Mustang however you want, but it is still going to be an unsophisticated looking "gold chains" image vehicle, manufactured by a company who no longer know what the words "quality control" mean.
WillyK
08-12-2002, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by DGS
Also, whoever says luxury isn't part of the equation, is either very young, or doesn't have to spend more than an hour a day in his/her car. Of course it's important. Unless you are at the track all day, most "normal" people have to spend their time driving over rough city pavement, sitting in traffic for hours, and commuting other people around.
I don't find luxury all that important, I'm 23, and when I leave work it takes me around 45 minutes to get home because of sitting in traffic. Big deal. I'd still take the Cobra. You say that unless you go to the track everyday then so what....well when I do go to the track, I'd rather have a car that is going to blaze down it or kick ass on a roadcourse than a luxury car that will do just "ok" on either....especially for that price.
Originally posted by WillyK
I don't find luxury all that important, I'm 23, and when I leave work it takes me around 45 minutes to get home because of sitting in traffic. Big deal. I'd still take the Cobra. You say that unless you go to the track everyday then so what....well when I do go to the track, I'd rather have a car that is going to blaze down it or kick ass on a roadcourse than a luxury car that will do just "ok" on either....especially for that price.
Yep, just as I said:
23 = young
45 minutes a day = less than an hour spent in your car commuting
Nothing wrong with that. And also like a said, if you're gonna be spending a lot of time at the track, the SVT may be your car.
And for the record, I'm sure the G35 Coupe is going to be much better than just "ok" in performance. 275 hp/275 torque, four-wheel multilink independent suspension, Brembo brakes, 18" wheels/tires, 6 speed manny, dude, that is a car that is going to do far better than just "okay", it's gonna smoke most everything out there! Plus you get all of that with Japanese reliability and a high level of luxury/refinement. You can take your SVT Stang, I would spend my $35K on the G35 any day of the week over the Stang.
ringthree
08-12-2002, 01:16 PM
Yeah this guy doesn't have any prejudices...
Originally posted by DGS
Where are you getting an invoice price of $25.5K? For the G35 coupe? Don't know about that. As far as waiting for excitement to die down, you're gonna be waiting for a long time. I think it will be a significant period of time before you will be able to get the car for $500 over invoice. And who cares if the car is offered with options the Stang doesn't have? I don't think it's a direct comparison, and most people are going to want those options. If there is a sport package, people are going to want it, if there is a leather package, people are going to want it, if there is a sound system package, people are going to want it. My point was, when Infiniti says the car will be available for $29K, what they fail to tell you, is basically for that you will be getting a BASE car for that. Nissan pulled the same crap with the 350Z. Go price one out, the base mode which I believe is $26K, doesn't come with ANYTHING. Not even leather seats for that price. It's a big sham. BMW pulls that crap too with their pricing model as is Subura with the WRX. The car is initially priced affordably, but once you start adding options the price shoots to the moon. In many cases for the price being asked, I think those "options" shouldn't be options, they should come standard with the car.
Thanks Sherlock, none of use had figured that out.
Originally posted by DGS
Also, whoever says luxury isn't part of the equation, is either very young, or doesn't have to spend more than an hour a day in his/her car. Of course it's important. Unless you are at the track all day, most "normal" people have to spend their time driving over rough city pavement, sitting in traffic for hours, and commuting other people around. Sorry to say, I would rather do all of that in a comfortable and stylish car, rather than an uncomfortable, stylish car. In my opinion, the G35 is a much nicer looking car than the new SVT Stang, and even though the Stang might be a little quicker, who cares, you gonna be at the track everyday? If so, than maybe the Stang is your car, otherwise, the G35 will be a much better blend of reliability, luxury, peformance, and beauty. Not only that, but I'm sure the G35 is going to get much better gas milage than the Stang (I think it gets something atrocious like 14mpg city/25mgp hwy), which also has to be taken into real world consideration. Finally, as expensive as the G35 is going to be to insure, I'm positive the SVT Stang is going to be even worse on the wallet, much worse.
Your comments on luxury are yours alone, I'm neither young and I often drive to MD for hours, GUH! I would still prefer the Mustang. I think it has to do more with your love of driving. Luxury cars are for those that dont love to drive.
Looks, that is definitely your opinion, I like them both. I dont care much about gas mileage if I can leave a burnout a week long, but thats just me. Dont put me down just because you dont enjoy driving.
Originally posted by DGS
A Ford, is a Ford, and you can dress up a Mustang however you want, but it is still going to be an unsophisticated looking "gold chains" image vehicle, manufactured by a company who no longer know what the words "quality control" mean.
And your still going to be a pretenous, stick-up-your ass snob. I used to have your kind of opinion, then I realized I was being a dumb ass.
ringthree
08-12-2002, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by DGS
And for the record, I'm sure the G35 Coupe is going to be much better than just "ok" in performance. 275 hp/275 torque, four-wheel multilink independent suspension, Brembo brakes, 18" wheels/tires, 6 speed manny, dude, that is a car that is going to do far better than just "okay", it's gonna smoke most everything out there! Plus you get all of that with Japanese reliability and a high level of luxury/refinement. You can take your SVT Stang, I would spend my $35K on the G35 any day of the week over the Stang.
And the SVT Mustang will be OWNING you on the track and drag strip.
But that doesn't matter, right? Because you just care about luxury... :rolleyes:
Keyshawn
08-12-2002, 01:32 PM
Some people like more luxury and prefer the G35. Some people like more pure performance and prefer the Cobra. It's all good. To each his own. It's that simple.
TRD-CELICA-GT02
08-12-2002, 02:25 PM
Ford's motto " Built FORD tough... " Lol seriously. When did Ford actually become a reality? They can't even build the Focus to last long in reliability. And you guys expect a Cobra Mustand to last you a while? You'll be broke up the ass just to maintain and have that running. Luxury doesnt matter to me but I atleast want a good reliable car from a manufacturer that has a good reputation of quality cars. Ask yourself, would you rather have good long lasting quality? Or an over powered machine with less of a chance of lasting atleast a good 5 years.
Also those two cars are in 2 different classes. No need to compare. The cobra is simply the modern day muscle car. And the G35 is the modern day Japansese Luxury import....
To each his own opinion...lets just leave it at that...
WillyK
08-12-2002, 02:28 PM
I guess when I get to be old like that fool, then I'll whine about luxury. I enjoy a spirited drive, good handling, and power and the SVT is better at each for the same price.
If I had known more about cars before I bought my GTS, I would have bought a Type R instead for the same reasons.
WillyK
08-12-2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by TRD-CELICA-GT02
And you guys expect a Cobra Mustand to last you a while? You'll be broke up the ass just to maintain and have that running.
I never hear many complaints about SVT vehicles, especially Cobras. I would assume SVT builds up the cars better for performance and reliability.
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by TRD-CELICA-GT02
Ford's motto " Built FORD tough... " Lol seriously. When did Ford actually become a reality? They can't even build the Focus to last long in reliability. And you guys expect a Cobra Mustand to last you a while? You'll be broke up the ass just to maintain and have that running. Luxury doesnt matter to me but I atleast want a good reliable car from a manufacturer that has a good reputation of quality cars. Ask yourself, would you rather have good long lasting quality? Or an over powered machine with less of a chance of lasting atleast a good 5 years.
Also those two cars are in 2 different classes. No need to compare. The cobra is simply the modern day muscle car. And the G35 is the modern day Japansese Luxury import....
To each his own opinion...lets just leave it at that...
you say this straightfaced as a celica owner?
sorry, that just cracks me up.
when quality, reliability and sports cars with actual performance ability become one, you'll have problems, look at every single car out there, including your toyota's and honda's.
this argument is just ridiculous and pissesme off to no end. if the cars werent reilable they wouldnt have been the number 1 seller in this market for over the past 5 years.
now shove that down your pipe and smoke it you ignorant ass.
p.s. i wonder whats going to happen to these idiots when they begin to realize that the reliability argument is flawed, and slowly start to see that they are paying thousands more for less of a car.
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by autxr
That would be a first
I've sat in one at a club meet i was at. reminded me of the RSX seats in how they supported me. wanted to take em out and put em in my car when the guy wasn't looking :)
Yeah, the whole thing is kind of pointless to me, especially because I can not currently, nor do I see in the immediate future being able to afford a $35K car.
As far as the whole luxury/performance/reliability balance issue, please tell the guy in the BMW M3 who has a luxury car in every sense of the word, as he smokes your ass, that luxury doesn't also matter. Plenty of car manufactures get the luxury/performance/reliability equation correct. You mean to tell me the guy in the Acura CL-S 6 speed doesn't have a performance car? You mean to tell to tell me the guy in the new Nissan Maxima SE doesn't have a performance car? You mean to tell me the guy in the Lexus IS300 5 speed doesn't have a performance car? You mean to tell me the guy in the new 350Z touring model doesn't have a performance car? The list goes on.
If you've got $35K to spend on a gas guzzling, unsophisticated, plastic filled interior, unreliable, American muscle car, go ahead. No can argue with it's performance, but there is more to owning a car then 1/4 mile timeslips. At least for me there is.
WillyK
08-12-2002, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by DGS
but there is more to owning a car then 1/4 mile timeslips. At least for me there is.
Yea and there is more to owning a car than luxury. As far as the M3 goes (the only one I'd consider a sports car from what you listed)...how much does that cost? Yea exactly. Performance and luxury go hand in hand with a hefty price.
Tikked Again
08-12-2002, 03:58 PM
z06...luxury performance
My MRS...no-luxury...hehe...it's lighter that way.
In my opinion I think they build most high hp cars these days (excluding the italian ones) to be both sports and luxury.
Tik
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by DGS
Yeah, the whole thing is kind of pointless to me, especially because I can not currently, nor do I see in the immediate future being able to afford a $35K car.
As far as the whole luxury/performance/reliability balance issue, please tell the guy in the BMW M3 who has a luxury car in every sense of the word, as he smokes your ass, that luxury doesn't also matter. Plenty of car manufactures get the luxury/performance/reliability equation correct. You mean to tell me the guy in the Acura CL-S 6 speed doesn't have a performance car? You mean to tell to tell me the guy in the new Nissan Maxima SE doesn't have a performance car? You mean to tell me the guy in the Lexus IS300 5 speed doesn't have a performance car? You mean to tell me the guy in the new 350Z touring model doesn't have a performance car? The list goes on.
If you've got $35K to spend on a gas guzzling, unsophisticated, plastic filled interior, unreliable, American muscle car, go ahead. No can argue with it's performance, but there is more to owning a car then 1/4 mile timeslips. At least for me there is.
hahaha..
where to start..
first of all, you are an unenlightened fool. please tell me what is so "unsophisticated" about a 4 cam, 32vavle dual overhead cam V8 engine that made Wards Ten Best Engine List.
Or the suspension geometry that allows the cobra to hit .97g's on the skidpad stock and slalom in the league of the corvette, al the while having leather interior, a 1000 watt stereo system with 2 subwoofers, a tremec 6 speed transmission, and brembo 4 piston brakes.
cmon, please show me your true intelligence, if any, im sure you have some inkling of what you're talking about.
im waiting..
oh wait, thats right, you really have no ****ing idea what you're talking about, and wouldn't know a camshaft from your **** if it wasnt attached to you.
now please for the sanity of everyone else in here, STFU.
krayze
08-12-2002, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by SlasherX
hahaha..
where to start..
first of all, you are an unenlightened fool. please tell me what is so "unsophisticated" about a 4 cam, 32vavle dual overhead cam V8 engine that made Wards Ten Best Engine List.
Or the suspension geometry that allows the cobra to hit .97g's on the skidpad stock and slalom in the league of the corvette, al the while having leather interior, a 1000 watt stereo system with 2 subwoofers, a tremec 6 speed transmission, and brembo 4 piston brakes.
cmon, please show me your true intelligence, if any, im sure you have some inkling of what you're talking about.
im waiting..
oh wait, thats right, you really have no ****ing idea what you're talking about, and wouldn't know a camshaft from your **** if it wasnt attached to you.
now please for the sanity of everyone else in here, STFU.
couldn't have said it better myself.
Originally posted by SlasherX
hahaha..
where to start..
first of all, you are an unenlightened fool. please tell me what is so "unsophisticated" about a 4 cam, 32vavle dual overhead cam V8 engine that made Wards Ten Best Engine List.
Or the suspension geometry that allows the cobra to hit .97g's on the skidpad stock and slalom in the league of the corvette, al the while having leather interior, a 1000 watt stereo system with 2 subwoofers, a tremec 6 speed transmission, and brembo 4 piston brakes.
cmon, please show me your true intelligence, if any, im sure you have some inkling of what you're talking about.
im waiting..
oh wait, thats right, you really have no ****ing idea what you're talking about, and wouldn't know a camshaft from your **** if it wasnt attached to you.
now please for the sanity of everyone else in here, STFU.
Hey, listen, I'm really happy the SVT Stang gives you a big, stiff one. It doesn't do it for me, okay. The guy who originally posted wanted peoples OPINIONS on what car he should get. Obviously, if he is lucky enough to have $35K to blow on a car during a recession, then he should really be test driving them both.
You can call me a fool, or assume you know about my car knowledge or lack thereof, I won't resort to calling names. A big block, blown V8 doesn't really impress me. You want impressive engines: the M3 has an impressive engine, the S2000 has an impressive engine, the Celica GT-S has an impressive engine, the VQ engine in the new 350Z is an impressive engine, the Lexus GS430 has an impressive engine, as does the upcoming Infiniti G35 coupe. I don't know too many car manufactures who can't take a V8 and get impressive horsepower and torque by further adding a turbo. It's not freaking rocket science. I would really like to see Ford crank out an engine like the S2000 which gets 120hp per liter, or even the Celica GT-S, which gets 100hp per liter. That impresses me okay, not big block American muscle cars with turbos. I suspect Ford decided to add a blower to the SVT, because they couldn't figure out how to get more horsepower out of the thing naturally.
Listen, the SVT is probably great at what it does. I'm not going to respond anymore to this nonsense thread. You like the car, great. If you can afford the car, even better for you. I don't like American cars, especially anything by Ford. The SVT Stang is no different, I don't car how fast it goes, or what it's skidpad numbers are. If I had $35K to blow on a car, the Stang SVT would be my last purchase choice, period.
Reality Man
08-12-2002, 10:01 PM
haha...hearing celica guys call mustangs unreliable is absofreakinghilarious.
Reality Man
08-12-2002, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by DGS
A big block, blown V8 doesn't really impress me. .
ROFL...i stopped reading here.
damned 281 cubic inch big blocks...
Reality Man
08-12-2002, 10:04 PM
OMG..i just braved the rest of that post...HAHAHHAHA
stick a model airplane engine in your car kiddo- you will be THRILLED. makes more HP/liter than just about anything else out there- and we all know that thats all that matters right? fugg how much it costs to do...fugg how unreliable it might be...HP/LITER YEAH!
Reality Man
08-12-2002, 10:06 PM
oh and one more FYI: my N/A ford engine makes 440hp.
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by DGS
Hey, listen, I'm really happy the SVT Stang gives you a big, stiff one. It doesn't do it for me, okay. The guy who originally posted wanted peoples OPINIONS on what car he should get. Obviously, if he is lucky enough to have $35K to blow on a car during a recession, then he should really be test driving them both.
You can call me a fool, or assume you know about my car knowledge or lack thereof, I won't resort to calling names. A big block, blown V8 doesn't really impress me. You want impressive engines: the M3 has an impressive engine, the S2000 has an impressive engine, the Celica GT-S has an impressive engine, the VQ engine in the new 350Z is an impressive engine, the Lexus GS430 has an impressive engine, as does the upcoming Infiniti G35 coupe. I don't know too many car manufactures who can't take a V8 and get impressive horsepower and torque by further adding a turbo. It's not freaking rocket science. I would really like to see Ford crank out an engine like the S2000 which gets 120hp per liter, or even the Celica GT-S, which gets 100hp per liter. That impresses me okay, not big block American muscle cars with turbos. I suspect Ford decided to add a blower to the SVT, because they couldn't figure out how to get more horsepower out of the thing naturally.
Listen, the SVT is probably great at what it does. I'm not going to respond anymore to this nonsense thread. You like the car, great. If you can afford the car, even better for you. I don't like American cars, especially anything by Ford. The SVT Stang is no different, I don't car how fast it goes, or what it's skidpad numbers are. If I had $35K to blow on a car, the Stang SVT would be my last purchase choice, period.
hey sparky, get with the current century..a 281 has never been considered a big block by any means.
so you like fully tuned n/a motors form the factory...great for you, however since just about everyone on this site mods their car, theyll be more than pleased with a motor that cna actually acheieve high hp numbers beyond what it already gets stock..enter a blown small block v8 with the latest technology, highest credentials from one of the authority's on engines (Ward's List) and an aftermarket that can pump out parts faster than your brain cells can destroy each other during an IQ test.
and ask anyone of those cars owners about their motors, and what they'd like to do to it, and i can without gaurantee you that they want a turbo or a supercharger(if they are once again, into speed). guess what? the cobra has a warranty, and a block BUILT for one. it can withstand 15+ psi on stock internals..and that means well over 500 hp AT THE WHEELS.
Advantage: The American Car..surprise, surprise
Reality Man
08-12-2002, 10:08 PM
no dave...you dont understand...its all about the model airplane engines...how much cooler can you get? i mean after you lose the race you can yell to the guy in the other lane: "oh yeah, well i get 100hp/liter and only paid twice what you did for your car, so there!"
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Reality Man
no dave...you dont understand...its all about the model airplane engines...how much cooler can you get? i mean after you lose the race you can yell to the guy in the other lane: "oh yeah, well i get 100hp/liter and only paid twice what you did for your car, so there!"
at this point, i would like to spray paint OWNED across that dudes forehead.
Reality Man
08-12-2002, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by SlasherX
at this point, i would like to spray paint OWNED across that dudes forehead.
dude..why dont you understand? 390RWHP (yes rear wheel) out of a $35,000 car is NOT impressive.
upperjames
08-12-2002, 10:19 PM
They are both awesome cars but I just cant see mustangs as classy cars,,,,I think corvettes , g35, celicas, 330i etc etc etc are classy but never a mustang. No class....just raw power!
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by upperjames
They are both awesome cars but I just cant see mustangs as classy cars,,,,I think corvettes , g35, celicas, 330i etc etc etc are classy but never a mustang. No class....just raw power!
if you want to see a car that ha sno real class, look at 3rd gen f-body's..otherwise, id think its safe to say that a properly maintained american pony car will be just fine for the majority of th epublic to swallow.
notice the cops aren't exactly after the domestic crowd. id say class plays into that.
Reality Man
08-12-2002, 10:30 PM
actually..to be honest dave- i think cops go after ricers because of the attitude they tend to have. every single ricer that i personally know drives like a complete maniac...well i havent seen rob drive yet, but other than him..haha.
but you did notice that rob and his friends all whined about the police hassling them..
girlRacerTRD
08-12-2002, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by Redline
That sig is awesome! :D
:werd: :thumbup:
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by girlRacerTRD
:werd: :thumbup:
Thanks Redline and girlRacertrd. i saw it and it brought back memories of inducing oversteer around some cones in teh car, and how fun coutner steering it through can be.
damnit, now i wanna autocross my car ! :D
SlasherX
08-12-2002, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Reality Man
actually..to be honest dave- i think cops go after ricers because of the attitude they tend to have. every single ricer that i personally know drives like a complete maniac...well i havent seen rob drive yet, but other than him..haha.
but you did notice that rob and his friends all whined about the police hassling them..
its an old Buick GN slogan, most recently used by the DSM crowd.
"Go Fast With Class"
most teenagers don't have that...and more teenagers end up buying these vehicles and hooking them up for whatever.
HilfigerCelica
08-12-2002, 11:28 PM
Someone got Own3d by Dave. Who cares what the kind of motor a SVT Mustang has. It's like getting beat by a B18 Civic and saying "who cares, that guy still drives a Civic."
WillyK
08-13-2002, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by DGS
A big block, blown V8 doesn't really impress me. You want impressive engines: the M3 has an impressive engine
Yup...the M3 does have an impressive engine, and it also seems to blow up A LOT! I've read post after post of the new M3's engines blowing up. Not very impressive, or reliable if you ask me.
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