Japan recalling GT-S engine...wtf?!?!

[Spec GTS]

check out wut i found on this board
http://216.102.149.4/cgi/teamunison/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000414

[DrivenFast]

That would be pure hell to recall the GT-S engine.

[RexPokinghorn]

Economically inconcievable. I'll believe it when I see it. :rolleyes: Might as well recall the whole car and replace it with the matrix.

[GTS808]

I don't believe it either. Why only in Japan and Canada? Why not the US and Europe too? Why put the engine in new models like the Matrix, Vibe and the euro corolla? I'll believe it when I see it. Maybe someone should e-mail tigershark. He lives in Japan and he should know what's up. What ever happend to that guy anyway?

[2001REDCELICAGTS]

Replace the Celica with the Martix? Who the hell would go for that? Toyota would be sued out of business.

[RexPokinghorn]

Originally posted by 2001REDCELICAGTS
Replace the Celica with the Martix? Who the hell would go for that? Toyota would be sued out of business.

Um, exactly. :)

[yakkosmurf]

Stress cracks in the block or connecting rod parts would explain some of the failures that have been seen in the GTS engine. Time will tell if this crack propagation is more prevelant.

[ST]

Probably one of those hoax sh*t...you know, similar to those email pranks. Just trying to scare or make us Celica owners worry.

[oldster]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
Stress cracks in the block or connecting rod parts would explain some of the failures that have been seen in the GTS engine. Time will tell if this crack propagation is more prevelant.

So would a rift in the space/time continuum but it hasn't been explained either. :rolleyes:

[Zorn]

1.21 Gigawatts of Power @ 88 MPH!!

[Keyshawn]

"I have a friend who works at Honda headquarters that says the RSX will be discontinued because of the misshift problem."

Wow, see how easy it is to make up rumors. I don't believe Toyota is stupid enough to lose hundreds of millions of dollars by letting something like this happen. If an official source said this (like some reputable news station, or Toyota itself), then I'd believe it.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by oldster


So would a rift in the space/time continuum but it hasn't been explained either. :rolleyes:
Remind me to email you my paper on wormholes when I get back from vacation. :cool:

[oldster]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

Remind me to email you my paper on wormholes when I get back from vacation. :cool:

I can hardly wait, will I comprehend anything beyond the page numbers. :D

[VZV21]

I need data, photos, etc. to examine.

I'm sorry a tech school teacher does not count as a reliable source for me.

Though I have to wonder at what boost pressure are these "stress" cracks occuring?

[oldster]

Originally posted by VZV21
I need data, photos, etc. to examine.

I'm sorry a tech school teacher does not count as a reliable source for me.

Though I have to wonder at what boost pressure are these "stress" cracks occuring?

Huh?:confused:

[VZV21]

I need data to analyze....to see if there's truly a flaw. If people are running stock cylinder pressures. It be great if we had a Materials Engineer take samples and use a scanning electron microscope of the block. I'd like to see if it was a stress corrosion cracking or not, etc. Data to digest.

[oldster]

Originally posted by VZV21
I need data to analyze....to see if there's truly a flaw. If people are running stock cylinder pressures. It be great if we had a Materials Engineer take samples and use a scanning electron microscope of the block. I'd like to see if it was a stress corrosion cracking or not, etc. Data to digest.

I think you are taking Yakko's comment way too seriously. That was one of his typical "enough truth to make it plausible but no quantifiable data behind it" remarks. In other words there were two I believe GT-S engines that self destructed for no apparent reason. Yakko extrapolated the rest. He does this simply to keep me on my toes and ensure I read all his posts. :)

[VZV21]

That's one of the things I do for a living....fun things as a Mechanical Engineer. I do a ton of analysis work

[Dealer Xing]

Has there been any cases of recalling engine because it may be unreliable? I think as long as these engines pass the 5 or 6 yr warranty mark Toyota wouldn't care. Just think about all those Ford V6 engines.

[HilfigerCelica]

There's no way that the 2ZZ-GE is going to be recalled. If it were then why is it appearing in the Matrix and Pontiac Vibe? Plus we are not talking about Kia or Daewoo, we're talking about Toyota. They do extensive research and testing before a car even comes out. I think that they may be putting a 2ZZ into the next Corolla, I'm not sure about that one though.

Automechanic teacher? I think a car magazine, newspaper, or Toyota itself counts as reliable sources.

[DrivenFast]

Don't the Japanese Celica's have a different Engine code, I remember read it somewhere. The output was 190hp. 2ZTE I think was the code. That's probably what the guy means. The recall would be limited to Japan, right? But saying that the engine is unreliable doesn't go with Toyota. More or less it would be a limited recall to something like blowing engines to easily. Like the differences with a 2000 GTS and 2002 GTS, different gates, a lowering the rev limiter, etc. The truth is probably all covered up in rumors. Who really can say?

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by DrivenFast
Don't the Japanese Celica's have a different Engine code, I remember read it somewhere. The output was 190hp. 2ZTE I think was the code.Nope, they have the same 2ZZ-GE we do, but with a different ECU for the less strict emissions laws over there.

I emailed Tigershark about this, and here's what he had to say:

One of the guys I worked with here in the office visited the government office homepage that lists all recalls made by auto manufacturers.

In Dec there was a Windom recall related to airbags and Nov there was an Estima recall related to brake drums.

But nothing on the 2ZZ engine being recalled.....there is no evidence hereto back it up.

[ringthree]

Cool, thanks bomber thats the kind of info we need to see to toss out alot of these crap rumors.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by oldster


I can hardly wait, will I comprehend anything beyond the page numbers. :D
Probably not. I have more problems trying to explain space stuff to people you're age. :D

[MikeUK]

Yakko

I'd love a copy... please

[oldster]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

Probably not. I have more problems trying to explain space stuff to people you're age. :D

That's because we have our own concept of space that we picked up in the 60s. ;) As for worm, only if he is floating in a bottle and holes................well I just won't go there. :D

[Lilsupra]

Maybe that tech teacher is a giant racist and hates Japanese made products...so he has to attack the greatest acheivement the VVTL-i engine...anyone know if the Celica could be as fast as the s2000 with proper tuning and mods....they're both 4 cyl...

[t2000gts]

if you had that 230hp trd n/a tuned 2ZZ-GE, sure. i don't see why not.

[carlos18]

hi have a gts and iam from europe portugal and nobody in toyota told me 2 about that recall in the car is runing just fine, buy the way i bout a suspencion kit from tte what do you ppl think about it ?

[David Draper]

Don't know much about TTE, but the suspension kit you got (if it included sway bars) was probably the Sportivo kit.

As for Toyota recalling cars years and years after release, the 3-VZE engine in the 88-95 4Runner and trucks had a head gasket recall that included new block and heads to anyone with damage due to head gasket failure.

Sold quite a few new short blocks....and that all ended just about a year or two ago....


David

EDIT: Wrong hyphen....3VZ-FE

[85 TRRRR]

Hoaks or not, things like this does happen. Relatively...anything that's been made fairly new are bound to have some kind of problem; Mechanical, Electrical or Structural. Example, my buick T-Type. The brake system arent really up to par, though, some of the other owner think its the best system made. It's called the powermaster brake system, pretty much a concept to used on later production 85 TRs [Turbo Regals] to the last production 87s. unlike other cars that use vacuum and a vaccum booster to assist the master cylinder, the powermaster uses an electric motor to drive the fluids out into the calipers. this thing was infamous for failing, poping fuses, ceasing motors amogst other crap this braking system causes, resulting in hard pedal and potential accidents. My car is an 85 model that used this system...not till 87 or 88, they made sent recall notices about the brake system. The previous owner didnt do the recall on my car. I converted mines to a vacuum type, it isnt as strong as the powermaster...but its way more reliable. Ask any Grand National or T-Type owner about it...he may live by it, others dread it.

This may or may not relate to you guys, though I know what you guys must be going through.

Chris

[Dealer Xing]

Take the Explorer as an example, tires fly off, people died; yet still selling like hot cakes.

Toyota 2ZZ-GE maybe fragile, but I don't think it will come to a point for Toyota to recall all of them.