Who's throwin down the deposit for a new EVO?

[Hooby]

I went down to Wayzata Mitsubishi here in MN, and threw down the $500 to reserve one. I'm now the 5th pre-order at that dealer alone.

Here's what the sales rep told me. He confirmed once again (thank god) that MSRP of it would be UNDER $30,000. At this point I was gettin a little worried about options and such. He proceeded to tell me that the EVO will most likely come with: leather interior, moonroof (AWESOME!!), 4-disc in-dash changer, infinity sound system.

He once again confirmed the specs for me: 275bhp, twin turbo, AWD.

He told me that they might be looking at making it a 6-speed over here. I have no clue if this is anywhere near that truth, so is there anyone who can confirm that?

Anybody else on the board takin the plunge?

Hooby

[Backroads]

I doubt the 6 speed will be on your car because the 5 speed was newly redesigned for the Evo 7. Changes inlcude a more relaxed 5th gear and some lower gear revisions and also overall improvements. That car has so much torque a 6th gear may just get in the way! My brother has a 3000gtvr4 5 speed and a 3000gtvr4 Spyder. He has had two new 6 speeds put into the Spyder so if they do put in a 6 hopefully it won't be related to that one, which was put in for C.A.F.E (fuel economy laws) not performance, as are many 6 speeds these days. The 5 is becoming a rare bird making it kind of cool. I consider the Evo 7 to not be a competitor to the Celi. I think the Civic Si, Mini Cooper, Matrix and SVT Focus are. I happen to prefer little coupes like these to sedans so no return, no deposit for me. I do like the ACD in the Mitsubitch.

[Novus]

I'm not going to be putting a deposit on one. I want to wait until my non-car loan is paid off late next year. One of the best parts of owning a Toyota is the car doesn't devalue as much as other cars. I still fully intend on getting an Evo then. I've sworn off purchasing any other parts for the Celica so I can save for a downpayment. Can't wait to have 4 doors of 4wd 4cyl fury ;)

[TaeMachine]

twin turbo?

[lnux-rhat]

hm,
hopefully they will to come up with nice design

[gts24]

Hooby, you just got victimized by yet another "educated" salesman. The evo wont' be coming in a 6 speed. Mitsubishi is pretty much stickin to the 5 speed plan right now. Twin-turbo... this car uses the same platform as all the other Mit's before it... single turbo..... (doens't need 2) it does just fine with one!!!! I am also very unsure about the leather interior, this is a rally car........

[Rozzwell]

OK, not to diss you Jason, but I don't think leather has EVER been an option on the EVOs. They come with Recaro racing seats that were specifically designed to save weight. Not to mention the fact that Mitsubishi has never produced a 6-spd manual for the 4G63. It's not necessary for the 4G63 equipped cars. They don't rev extremely high (7200 RPM redline) and they don't have any VTECH, VVTLi, MIVEC, etc etc so you don't need to have those close ratios to keep it in the car's "happy range".

Umm, yeah it's also not a twin turbo, it's a single turbo. Secondly it IS detuned for the US market because overseas it's 300+ HP. Not that it won't be easy to re-tune it to those specs, but it is being detuned.

As far as the other options you mentioned, I certainly hope they come with those. For around 30k a car better have those options. :)

Check out http://www.rozzwell.com/evo.pdf and it'll give you a better idea as to what REALLY comes with the EVO VII. Unfortunately, as cool as this dealer guy sounds, it appears he doesn't know what he's talking about.

On an unrelated note, did you see that they are redoing the styling on the WRX? Apparently they finally got their head out of their ass and realized the "I got kicked in the balls" look doesn't jive with most people.

http://industryclick.com/microsites/Newsarticle.asp?newsarticleid=263917&srid=10250&instanceid=5216&pageid=1120&magazineid=1004&siteid=26

[Hooby]

I'm merely repeatin what he told me boys.

I wasn't really believin anything that he told me until I here it from the boards.

All I care about is the 275hp that the car will be pumpin out.

I've already read the pdf many times over :)

[Celica RZ]

ahahaha.....so if everything else he told you was lies, that one part is true? hahahaha....

[Hooby]

Did I say that? I could have sworn.......ohh wait, that's right, I didn't say it was true....

I was just trying to say that all I car about right now is the hp spec for the car. I didn't say I believed him.

Try to be a little more repectful when you post.....I thought "Senior Members" were supposed to be the cool ones.

Thanks fer the heads up tho guys!

Hooby

[Celica RZ]

sorry man. just wanted to give you a sort of reality check there.

[lnux-rhat]

what's wrong with your 2002 saturn?
;)

[Hooby]

Originally posted by Celica RZ
sorry man. just wanted to give you a sort of reality check there.

It's ok dude....I've jst been gettin a lot of crap for repeatin what he said to me....and I try to explain that I don't really believe him. I'm jst repeatin what he told me :)

Hooby

P.S. - Everything is wrong with the Saturn.....although it gets the ladies like mad, it gets it's ass kicked on the road by everything 'cept a Civic.

[Gaps]

What is the weight of the US bound Evo to be? It sounds fat, not phat.

[Backroads]

Don't quote me but I think it's about 3200lbs. Most reviews call for it being heavier, longer, and softer than the VI, and also a much better car. I do know that it is only less than 100lbs more than the VI. Still, I'd put $ on it being heavier than a V8 Vette zo6.
But I'm just a jackass anyway. The Celi is the only car that got 100 lb lighter than the last gen. It weighs within 100lb of the 1st gen.
01 GTS

[afghan]

If you want a real one now, my friends roommate is selling his. He lives in Ann Arbor. It is not street legal though in the color of silver.

I will give you his number only if you are serious about purchasing. It is mint and hasn't been rallyed. :D :cool:

[Hooby]

Is it an Evo VI? There's a guy on the Evo forums from Ann Arbor that's been askin about how he can make it street legal and/or look street legal. He's talkin about maybe puttin a Mirage type body mold on it.

Hooby

[cybrpunk]

Even though I want an EVO VII really bad, and I will get one next year, I wouldn't put a deposit in just yet. They can easily tell you that it will be under $30,000 but once they come out, they can just raise the price on you. Usually when a dealer says "under $30,000, it really means that the actual price is $29,999.98. :)

Also, I've read every review on the internet, even SCC mag's reveiw on the EVO VII and I dont know where the hell you guys are getting 300+hp from. All the reveiws say that it comes with 280hp stock. If you are talking about after break-in, than maybe, but doubtful.

Mitsu. has not confirmed that it will be de-tuned, so you can't say that it "IS" going to be de-tuned when it comes over. I DID read somewhere that Mitsu is trying to bring it over un-touched. They just have to see if the car will encounter carb issues. If so, then Mitsu will definetly de-tune the EVO VII.

[Britai 7018]

The 300+ HP comes from the fact that the 280 number is given from the manufacturer in order to comply with the gentleman's agreement. In reality, like the R34, the EVOs make more horsepower than 280. Its just underrated to seem like less.
And i really hope it comes out here soon. Love that car.... check out lancerz.com, they got some good info.

[Bryan H]

that sales guy was blowin smoke up your ass

if its anything like the real evo it will be a 4g63 derivitive. maybe a 4g93

NO twin turbo
its a 4 cylinder. come on.

under 30k yep i can see this
275? doubt it sti wrx will only have 260. it has to compete with it.
no FMIC either
crash tests prohibit it


while you're pimpin in the evo i'll be spankin that ass in the supra

[dawgg]

There have been sightings of the left hand drive version of the EVO in cali. I think the EVO is currently sold as a left hand drive in some other countries so it may not necessarily be the US model. But the car was spotted with a smaller version of the FMIC. So the US version might get the FMIC just shrunken down a bit so that the car passes the 5mph crash regulation. Supposedly Mitsu wantes to bring the car over as close to the JDM version as possible. I'd expect about 280hp. A little less than the JDM version due to the smaller IC and our lower octane fuel here. I really doubt they'll bring it over with much less than 280hp. Since the STI is pretty much guarenteed to come out here with 280hp Mitsu needs the EVO to have about 280 to compete.

The EVO will tear the supra a new a$$ hold off the line due to the 4wd :p Supra has much better high end tho. I think the EVO would be a better track car. For less than $30k it's quite a car. Wonder if we'll get the Recaros and Brembo brakes.

[Blk00SS]

There gonna MSRP around 27K.. I'm calling it now. Then the dealer's gonna mark it up a few grand and you guys are gonna be shelling out the $$$$. Enjoy boys.. I can wait and would prefer to buy a used vette instead of an EVO

[Hooby]

Luckily I've got a peice of paper that says they're selling it to me for MSRP.....no mark-up :)

I wouldn't mind a vette if everybody and their mom didn't have one around where I live.

Hooby

[David Draper]

Hey in case anyone's interested....

Lisa (my wife for those who don't know) is a sales rep at a Mitsubishi dealership.

If anyone in So. Cal. (or wherever, really) wants to get hooked up (with the car dummy, not her), contact me and I'll let her know what you're looking for....

David

[kuruptgt]

why is the VI illegal?

[Blk00SS]

Originally posted by kuruptgt
why is the VI illegal?

Doesn't meet US Crash Standards

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by TaeMachine
twin turbo?

When i saw that i knew that this sales man was full of BS, the EVO uses a single turbo. Its a sweet unit with a TI impeller from what i understand... very cool, but still single turbo. There are very few Twin turbo 4 bangers. The Subaru legacy B4 is one of them. Now that is a car i would love for them to bring over here.

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by Bryan H

while you're pimpin in the evo i'll be spankin that ass in the supra

Looks like you made up your mind. Pretty good call really, the supra is just awesome if you know what your doing with it.

Although i'll be happy to spank both the supra and the evo with my WRX ;)

better get my new turbo on the car to back up that supra comment though...

[iDRIVE]

I want to buy the EVO but I dont want to make the same mistake I did with the celica, buying it the first year of production. Ill wait a couple years after its release. I want to see if the aftermarket can catch on, and how reliable it is, and the important thing is the celica will be paid off by then.

I would buy the WRX but damn its ugly. With the EVO I get the same performance with some looks to backit up.

[cybrpunk]

Originally posted by Bryan H
while you're pimpin in the evo i'll be spankin that ass in the supra


Well, here's a video that will make you think about who will be spankin' who. This is a clip of an EVO VI vs. TT Supra. Keep in mind that the EVO VII is quicker than the EVO VI. If link doesnt work, then right-click and save.

http://www.trinituner.com/gallery/EVO_SUPRA.MPG

This video also backs-up what Dawgg said about an EVO vs. Supra race.

[dawgg]

Originally posted by iDRIVE
I want to buy the EVO but I dont want to make the same mistake I did with the celica, buying it the first year of production. Ill wait a couple years after its release. I want to see if the aftermarket can catch on, and how reliable it is, and the important thing is the celica will be paid off by then.

I would buy the WRX but damn its ugly. With the EVO I get the same performance with some looks to backit up.

The EVO has already been out for over a year in other countries so hopefully most of the fist year quirks have been worked out. I've also been wondering about the car's reliability. I haven't heard much posted about this. I question that cuz mitsu reliability has been pretty crappy in the past and they've got a lot of bad press in the past year.

As for the mod scene, it's already there. Itis made to be raced/modded. It uses the same basic engine as the older EVOs so it's not hard for aftermarket companies to make parts for it.

[Blk00SS]

I love the EVO but i'm just not into Paying 30K for a Marked up 4 Banger. It's pretty Pathetic when dealer's mark cars up... Case in Point... Local Nissan dealer marked up a Sentra.. That's right.. A ****ing Sentra like it was a Skyline or something. It really pisses me off.

[PapiChuu]

Originally posted by cybrpunk



Well, here's a video that will make you think about who will be spankin' who. This is a clip of an EVO VI vs. TT Supra. Keep in mind that the EVO VII is quicker than the EVO VI. If link doesnt work, then right-click and save.

http://www.trinituner.com/gallery/EVO_SUPRA.MPG

This video also backs-up what Dawgg said about an EVO vs. Supra race.

the awd kicked ass off the line but looks like the supra caught up in the top end, also sounded like the supra was hitting the rev limiter too often which makes me think the tires were slipping, but still pretty good for the evo

[Bryan H]

yea a 500 hp against a BPU supra
wow, thats fair

find better vids kiddo

nathan. i say we go from a roll, what ya think?

[cybrpunk]

Well kiddo, it's kinda hard to find a 94'-98' TT Supra that's stock these days. Your comment made it seem that when you get a supra you're gonna mod that $hit to hell and back and whoop on a stock EVO VII. That doesnt seem fair either.

The video was to prove that from a dead stop, don't think you're gonna blow by an EVO. Even though it's hard to see from the angle of the video, the supra does seem to catch up. They must have been doing well over 120+mph by that point. You can only do that in a drag strip cause you wont have enough room to reach that in a street race. You're just asking to kill someone by then.

[Bryan H]

Originally posted by cybrpunk
Well kiddo, it's kinda hard to find a 94'-98' TT Supra that's stock these days. Your comment made it seem that when you get a supra you're gonna mod that $hit to hell and back and whoop on a stock EVO VII. That doesnt seem fair either.

The video was to prove that from a dead stop, don't think you're gonna blow by an EVO. Even though it's hard to see from the angle of the video, the supra does seem to catch up. They must have been doing well over 120+mph by that point. You can only do that in a drag strip cause you wont have enough room to reach that in a street race. You're just asking to kill someone by then.

watch the video closer
awd helps to a certain extent. then it hurts.
i have pulled 1.59 60ft's in my eclipse
then walked from the 1/8th mile on by my friends supra's

then again this is more or less like beating a dead horse

[Andwele]

What? Beat up a Supra! Ha! http://www.trinituner.com/gallery/video/newevo.mpg

Supra is a Nice Track car but it's no 1/4 champ. It's better on a race track tho.

[celica gte racing]

for some reason everyone assumes the more cyllinder the better, and the EVO proves them so very wrong. That car is VERY fast, a 911 could never keep up with it, and even a 360 would have problems matching it especially on wet tarmac. its one of the best cars on the planet for circuit... and hey, its a 4 door "family" saloon.

P.S turbo engines give tasty gains with only a chip. but the car is fast enough and you really need to know how to drive to be able to tame the beast...

You are very lucky to be able to buy it for only $30k, in europe its

[yakkosmurf]

Not to say the EVO won't be a great performing car, but there's no way I want one.

[Blk00SS]

Originally posted by celica gte racing
for some reason everyone assumes the more cyllinder the better

Umm... What's the Boost set at in a stock EVO? Cubes not Cyl's are better because it's easier to Coax more power from bigger displacement motor's.
The EVO is gonna be fast but it won't be the fastest or the best. **** i wish GM would bring HSV cars to the US.

[dawgg]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
Not to say the EVO won't be a great performing car, but there's no way I want one.

because the Type R is the best performance car ever made?

:rolleyes: hehe

I think the supra would make a better all out drag car. With slicks it should be able to launch almost as well an as EVO. As an all round street car i'd prefer the EVO. Faster than 95% of cars, has 4 useful seats and i can use it in the winter (northeast winters!).
Supras are pretty crap even in the rain. Huge rear tires hydroplain easily.

[Bryan H]

ron, last i checked, boost was 18 psi on the jdm cars

[David Draper]

Originally posted by celica gte racing
for some reason everyone assumes the more cyllinder the better, and the EVO proves them so very wrong. That car is VERY fast, a 911 could never keep up with it, and even a 360 would have problems matching it especially on wet tarmac. its one of the best cars on the planet for circuit... and hey, its a 4 door "family" saloon.



Mmm, don't know about that one....

Porsche 911 Turbo = 4wd too and 192 mph top speed....I don't think the EVO's going to get into that territory anytime soon....

[celica gte racing]

A german performance TV show tested a bunch of cars at the nurburgring circuit last year. The evo was the fastest 1.5seconds ahead of the porsche 911 turbo, the 360 and the TVR tuscan could not keep up because It was wet.

when i say fast im talking circuit wise. and believe me you won't getting out 192mph out of the 911 unless u have a long flat road.

american racingwise its different, because getting an evo for drag racing is abit like getting a PS2 to play PS1 games...

[dawgg]

Originally posted by celica gte racing
A german performance TV show tested a bunch of cars at the nurburgring circuit last year. The evo was the fastest 1.5seconds ahead of the porsche 911 turbo, the 360 and the TVR tuscan could not keep up because It was wet.

when i say fast im talking circuit wise. and believe me you won't getting out 192mph out of the 911 unless u have a long flat road.

american racingwise its different, because getting an evo for drag racing is abit like getting a PS2 to play PS1 games...

wonder which would be fastest in the dry since there's a .00001% chance that i'll be pushing my car to the limit on wet roads =P

[xleRateGSX]

I would take the lancer over the supra any day. It should be a 4g63 single turbo(16g turbo by garret). Atleast that's what it has been in the most recent years. the older engines had offered the 14b. That setup alone can get you 12s. I can't guarantee it but the very few engines that come to the states form japan offer that setup. The AWD does kill top end but with that turbo or something larger(20g or mutt/frank) you wont have to worry about it. Buschur went RWD to knock mere tenths off his 1/4. I hope you all enjoy this car because I have enjoyed the little brother for the past year!

P.S. Took Mitsu to DA** long to bring this car to the states!

[xleRateGSX]

just to clarify... 4wd is not all 4 wheels recieving power it is only 3. AWD is every wheel turning with (most likely) 50-50 power ratio some companies may be different.

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by Bryan H
nathan. i say we go from a roll, what ya think?

Lol... bryan, as soon as i got an AWD car, i discovered that all real racing starts from a dead stop. :D

Thats the bad thing about a supra, your going to want to race "supra style" all the time. ;)

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by xleRateGSX
I would take the lancer over the supra any day. It should be a 4g63 single turbo(16g turbo by garret).


When did garrett start building 16G? Man can the information get any worse on this site? Come on man. the 16G is a mits turbo.

[Backroads]

I had the opportunity to see an Evo "6.5" and a Supra go head to head in an Scca Rally this summer. I stood on the line between dirt and tar on the course, which was in the exact middle of a sharp corner. THe cars would brake real hard on the dirt for the corner, to about 40, ther set the chassis and lay on the loud pedal. This was the most critical corner of the stage because one had to take max advantage of the tar asap. When the Evo hit the tar, the motor bogged a bit and there was a slow slingshot effect. The Supra just eased onto the throttle, with many loud whooshes and turbo sounds, and just flew... the driver had to ease back a bit actually to avoid wheelspin. Out of about 100 cars, nothing did as well as that Supra on that curve and it really says it all about the differences between the two cars in my personal opinion.

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[xleRateGSX]

HAHA yeah ok garret doesn't make the 16g ::finding picture::

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by Backroads
I had the opportunity to see an Evo "6.5" and a Supra go head to head in an Scca Rally this summer. I stood on the line between dirt and tar on the course, which was in the exact middle of a sharp corner. THe cars would brake real hard on the dirt for the corner, to about 40, ther set the chassis and lay on the loud pedal. This was the most critical corner of the stage because one had to take max advantage of the tar asap. When the Evo hit the tar, the motor bogged a bit and there was a slow slingshot effect. The Supra just eased onto the throttle, with many loud whooshes and turbo sounds, and just flew... the driver had to ease back a bit actually to avoid wheelspin. Out of about 100 cars, nothing did as well as that Supra on that curve and it really says it all about the differences between the two cars in my personal opinion.

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Sounds like a driver issue... Because a well driven EVO could slide into that corner MUCH faster than any 2WD car.

[Bryan H]

Mistu is the only company that makes the "16g" turbo's

garret industries does not. they might make something similar to it. but its not the same


nathan
lemmie get the car, dp, 100 shot and et street's we'll go play
from a roll, dead stop. top speed. ice cream
what ever

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by Bryan H
Mistu is the only company that makes the "16g" turbo's

garret industries does not. they might make something similar to it. but its not the same


nathan
lemmie get the car, dp, 100 shot and et street's we'll go play
from a roll, dead stop. top speed. ice cream
what ever

Ice cream is my choice... i'll be in town for christmas with the car, might have a little extra time.

Too bad i don't have twin Garrett 16Gs like the Evo man ;)

You sure you need all of that to keep up with a little 4 banger? :D :D

[Bryan H]

i know enough about your car and the answer is yes.

when you get some free time here in kc. gimme a shout man, i want a ride in the beast.
shoot me an IM and i'll pass you my cell number.

[Backroads]

Yes, that's true, the Evo did slide into it faster than the Supra. The unique thing here was the asphalt at the halfway mark. In a straight line, it would be a similar test. Go 40 on dirt, hit tar and nail it. It's a unique situation that favors the Supra which only competed in the 2 wheel drive class anyway, and is slower on dirt than an EVO, drivers being equal (which they never are... 2wd drivers are crazy!!!) The driver of the Evo, by the way was Rhys Millen so you can take up the "driver issue" with him!!

Jason