93 Supra Twin Turbo vs. '02 WRX

[caj26]

I know this topic isn't Celica related but I previously owned a 2000 GT-S for the last two years. I am looking at these two cars as I no longer have my '00 Celica GT-S and am presently driving a 93 Celica STX. I was looking at a 93 Supra TT w/ 74,000 miles that is selling for $20,000. Is this price too high? Or should I go for a new WRX? Does anyone know if the insurance rates for a older Supra will be higher than a new WRX. Thanks for the help!

[GT-S Celica]

I would get the WRX. nothing like getting a new car:D

[Brett]

I would go with the Supra. Try to knock off a grand on that price tag though. btw, Auto or 6 speed?

[caj26]

It is auto and looks like only mod is turbo timer and 18 inch wheels. Price is not firm.

[djm221]

I hope that price isn't firm, because it sucks. Should be a few thousand less.

[Zorn]

I'd lean towards the supra. The WRX is getting a major work over, and will be more desireable to own in the next generation or two.

As far as insurance, check Geico online and just spend 10 min applying for free quote...it's pretty accurate.

[tagurit]

go with the supra, no doubt!! you wont be disappointed. if you can afford, do it!! expect to pay a little more nowadays for the supra b/c their resale value increased b/c of the fast and furious. its true. the supra is one of the easiest to mod and the best all around. with free mods you can get in the 12's easliy. hope this helps, im all for the supra.

[caj26]

Do you think $18,000 is a fair price or should I try to get a better deal than that. It is kind of hard for me to determine if a price if fair or not as there is no real way to gauge their value due to demand and the fact that they're hard to find now.

[Zorn]

http://www.edmunds.com/used/1993/toyota/supra/2drstdturbohatchback/prices.html

[Brett]

18 grand for a 6 speed with that year/mileage will go fast. I've seen 95's with over 100,000 miles go for 20 grand range. ITs too bad the prices are all jacked up on that car. Great car, just the seller ran market is rediculous. I know some people That buy cheap ones then go around and sell them for 5 more grand. its sick. I just cant wait til they bring back the Supra. I mean a near 10 year old car selling more then a Brandnew car is ludicrious in my mind. If you have alot of time, I would recommend being patient and keeping an eye out, there are still some that can be bought cheap, they are just far and inbetween and dont last long at ALL. Also go check out www.supraforums.com Click on the sell/buy Supra forum. Hope that helps.

[LaW]

Guys- he said it is an auto. I think it should be significantly less, if you can wait a couple years to get a car do so. However I'd say wrx instead of that supra. That's what I'd do, or else go find a 6spd supra :) hehe

[MarkyMark]

get the supra only if you can afford the insurance...and swap the tranny to a manual

[ToyoGT]

Go with the Supra. Even if it IS an auto so what? Buy the SP high stall converter and your 60-foot times will actually be better than 6-speeds with or without the 2-step(depending on the tires of course) Keep up the maintenance on it and everything should be ok from there on. For as little as $1500-$2000 you can run mid to low 12's @BPU. Every car is different so you might do better than that.

Put it this way...when you roll into a parking lot at the local illegal drags, which car would turn more heads? which car is the KING of imports? and lets not mention all the girls that come with it ;) Supra. Hands down.:cool:

[ringthree]

Originally posted by MarkyMark
get the supra only if you can afford the insurance...and swap the tranny to a manual

First an auto supra can easily be faster than a 6-speed (dont know what you have to do exactly but I know this is true). Second of all I sure hope you have a TON of money lying around to put in manual tranny into a Supra. You would have to buy a full new Gertrang (sp?) tranny, last quote I heard was $6700, just for the tranny.

[MarkyMark]

still...I couldnt own an auto supra :(

[djm221]

Originally posted by ringthree

Gertrang (sp?)
How about Getrag ;)

The Supra does have much more of a drool appeal. It's a sports car vs. a somewhat fast AWD sedan. It's cooler, and that's all there is to it. Both can be made to go pretty damn fast.
I still wouldn't get an auto, even if it was faster. Manuals "feel" faster.

[dragonfrog]

93 supra tt with 74,000 miles?? hmm. one question: is this being sold by an individual or a dealer. if it's a dealer, then keep hagging until they get really pissed off. then you know you've gotten the best deal out of them. hehehe.

if not, i'd got for $17,000. being a 93 model with 74,000 miles and no way of knowing how hard the engine's been worked, it's hard for me to pay that money for a car. even if it is a supra.

[Karim]

a few questions,

do you have a family?

if so do you have a family car?

will this be a dialy driver?

if so how many miles a day will you drive?

also what do you want more straight line performance? top end performance? a great auto-xr out of the box?

many things need to be taken into consideriation, if it was my daily driver and i had a family i'd fo sure get the subaru for practical reasons (spend less on gas, should be more reliable since it's new, and let's face it a family will fit much better into the WRX than the supra)

if it's a just for fun car that will have lots of mod money going into it i'd probably go with the supra.

Karim

[oldster]

Originally posted by tagurit
go with the supra, no doubt!! you wont be disappointed. if you can afford, do it!! expect to pay a little more nowadays for the supra b/c their resale value increased b/c of the fast and furious. its true. the supra is one of the easiest to mod and the best all around. with free mods you can get in the 12's easliy. hope this helps, im all for the supra.

Would you mind listing the free mods that will get you into the 12s?

[Blk00SS]

This is why i won't buy a Supra now. Look at the ****ing prices.... I see some Selling for 30K+.. If i'm gonna spend 30K plus on a car.. I'm buying a used Vette.. Not no 6-7 year old car.

And please tell us about the free mods that'll get a Supra auto into the Low 12's? Stall converter's are not considered a free mod :)

For as little as $1500-$2000 you can run mid to low 12's @BPU

I can buy a 500 Dollar Nos kit and Throw it on a STOCK LS1 car and it'll Do High 11's :D

[MarkyMark]

Originally posted by Blk00SS
This is why i won't buy a Supra now. Look at the ****ing prices....

you can thank that damned movie for jacking the price of supras up :mad:

[caj26]

I will be looking at it today w/ my wife. She agreed to look at it since she knows how much I like it but she is leaning more towards the WRX due to the fact that it is a four door car and comes with a warranty. It's hard to pass up a Supra though since it has been my dream car for say the last seven or eight years and I am finally in a position where I can afford it.

[ToyoGT]

Originally posted by Blk00SS
This is why i won't buy a Supra now. Look at the ****ing prices.... I see some Selling for 30K+.. If i'm gonna spend 30K plus on a car.. I'm buying a used Vette.. Not no 6-7 year old car.

And please tell us about the free mods that'll get a Supra auto into the Low 12's? Stall converter's are not considered a free mod :)



I can buy a 500 Dollar Nos kit and Throw it on a STOCK LS1 car and it'll Do High 11's :D


Which NOS kit would this be? Without an extra fuel pump watch your engine go BOOM BOOM;) 11's are highly doubtful. I have 2 friends with LS1's and they need a hell of a lot more than NOS to hit 11's. One has i/e/h ET streets, high stall converter, and NOS and can only manage a 12.1, the other has cams, headwork, et streets, high stall converter and 150shot and does 11.60's so it can be done but not with as little as $500 :D


As for the free mods, pull the VSV line and you will do 12's easy.

[Blk00SS]

Originally posted by ToyoGT



Which NOS kit would this be? Without an extra fuel pump watch your engine go BOOM BOOM;) 11's are highly doubtful. I have 2 friends with LS1's and they need a hell of a lot more than NOS to hit 11's. One has i/e/h ET streets, high stall converter, and NOS and can only manage a 12.1, the other has cams, headwork, et streets, high stall converter and 150shot and does 11.60's so it can be done but not with as little as $500 :D


As for the free mods, pull the VSV line and you will do 12's easy.

Toyo,

There are 2 Guys on LS1.com that have hit High 11's on a Stock LS1 with just a TNT NOS Kit. One is a 99 Vette and Another is a 01 T/A. Both 6Spds running D/R's if i remember correctly. Let me see if i can dig up the Timeslips.

[t2000gts]

i'd take an auto supra over a 6-speed supra anyday. even if you're just going stock->BPU, the autos are consistently faster than the 6-speeds (meaning on average, cuz some guys can really drive their 6-speeds) with the STOCK auto tranny, and especially when you get to stratospheric power levels (Then it's time to give Sound Performance a call for a tranny rebuild).

plus with all that power, an auto would be better for me to drive around normally.

as for 'free' mods...check clubsi.com ron, there was just a thread i was looking at this morning in Si vs. All where some guy with a cheap BCC (and explaining how to get same effect without spending money) ran 12.xx and has a video/slip up too.

i think one of the best times i've seen was a strictly BPU auto supra TT (no tranny mods) that ran 11.9x a while ago on supraforums.com.

BTW, i've seen a few LS1s hit low 12s high 11s up here...i didn't talk to the owners, but i heard them talking amongst themselves and looked at their cars. one guy had just NOS and what he called some 'headwork' and cams. he had traction problems on launch tho. track was icky that day.

[ToyoGT]

Originally posted by Blk00SS


Toyo,

There are 2 Guys on LS1.com that have hit High 11's on a Stock LS1 with just a TNT NOS Kit. One is a 99 Vette and Another is a 01 T/A. Both 6Spds running D/R's if i remember correctly. Let me see if i can dig up the Timeslips.


Nah you don't have to do that. If you know they've done it, then that's cool. I'm not flaming at all ;) It's cool. Peace