si vs gts

[cilvrwing38]

i was on jones (fm 1960) when this si started revving....i gave him the lets go nod....we were doing about 45mph so i dropped it to 2nd and waited for him to go he did the same 4 about 10 - 15 sec....then he honked his horn and punch it he had about half a car lead when i did the same...when i shifted to 3rd we were even...and right afted i shifted to 4th i was about a car leghth ahead...we're doing 80+ mph on a 45 mph zone...so i decided to shuut it down....and yes he did a fly by and turned his flashers on...so i went after his azz again....homeboy slowed down...now im the one honking telling him that i wants to go again....as i dropped my gear he slammed his brakes and made a u turn...i was like wut the fuk???ohhh well...btw he had atleast an exhaust...

[Batoutahell]

Good kill. At what mph does a gt-s make the 3-4 shift at redline?

[AkUmA]

Originally posted by Batoutahell
Good kill. At what mph does a gt-s make the 3-4 shift at redline?

around 85-90mph.

[GTS LAID]

82 at redline
86 at cutoff
in 00 GTS

[Honda~Power!]

Si will kill the GT-S!!! any time, anywhere!

J/K! but the si is still a quick car for less than 18K

[RACERGTS2000]

Sorry to say but an SI can beat a Celica i've seen it happen but it was mainly driver error ( not me a friend of mine ) but the celica still catches the SI and Passed it after about 95.

[cilvrwing38]

no way mayn...my celica can even beat camaros with nos...

[hardtutame]

Originally posted by RACERGTS2000
Sorry to say but an SI can beat a Celica i've seen it happen but it was mainly driver error ( not me a friend of mine ) but the celica still catches the SI and Passed it after about 95.

Just for clarification
an SI will not beat a GT-S. that is a fact.
I proved my friend wrong plenty of times.

by 2nd gear the celica will be ahead at least a car

[celicuzrule]

You are saying that a GTS should beat a Si, which it should....but it is possible for a GTS to lose, just face it man. anything can happen in a race.

[RACERGTS2000]

thank you celicurule

that was the point I was trying to get across

[The Game]

Lets clear this up even more. A 6-spd GT-S should beat an Si (unless it has been supercharged, then the Si will win). An auto GT-S will get raped by an Si off the line (good driver of course) but top end the GT-S should win as well.:)

[KleeftonSi]

Originally posted by The Game
Lets clear this up even more. A 6-spd GT-S should beat an Si (unless it has been supercharged, then the Si will win). An auto GT-S will get raped by an Si off the line (good driver of course) but top end the GT-S should win as well.:)

You were doing well until you mentioned the auto GT-S. That car has no chance against a well driven Si, from stop, mid end, top end. It will get destroyed. I can post videos of myself racing T2000GT-S from here, and you can tell for yourself.

[Maelfyn]

I'm pretty sure I can beat an auto GT-S in my Dad's 5spd Tacoma.

[hardtutame]

Originally posted by celicuzrule
You are saying that a GTS should beat a Si, which it should....but it is possible for a GTS to lose, just face it man. anything can happen in a race.

I should've been a little more specific.

Its mechanically impossible for the SI to beat the GTS.

Of course anything can happen in a race. from bad driver to misshifts, we all know that!

[The Game]

Originally posted by KleeftonSi


You were doing well until you mentioned the auto GT-S. That car has no chance against a well driven Si, from stop, mid end, top end. It will get destroyed. I can post videos of myself racing T2000GT-S from here, and you can tell for yourself.

I thought because of the 20 hp more it would pull away around 100-120 or so. I guess I stand corrected.

(This makes me wonder why anyone would buy an auto GT-S:confused: )

[hustletownsi]

cilvrwing you up for a friendly run some time? I traded the si for a 98 gsr and so far have just added aem cai and based on the cars I've run figure I'm around 15 flat. Btw I recognize the sig from ls1.com I'm 99b16a2 over there. I live in the 249/1960 area so I'm sure I'll run into ya.

[Honda~Power!]

Originally posted by cilvrwing38
i was on jones (fm 1960) when this si started revving....i gave him the lets go nod....we were doing about 45mph so i dropped it to 2nd and waited for him to go he did the same 4 about 10 - 15 sec....then he honked his horn and punch it he had about half a car lead when i did the same...when i shifted to 3rd we were even...and right afted i shifted to 4th i was about a car leghth ahead...we're doing 80+ mph on a 45 mph zone...so i decided to shuut it down....and yes he did a fly by and turned his flashers on...so i went after his azz again....homeboy slowed down...now im the one honking telling him that i wants to go again....as i dropped my gear he slammed his brakes and made a u turn...i was like wut the fuk???ohhh well...btw he had atleast an exhaust... That's like saying a car slower than the base rsx hung with your gt-s, nothing to brag about. (no offence)

[t2000gts]

That's like saying a car slower than the base rsx hung with your gt-s, nothing to brag about. (no offence)

i know Si drivers that ran low 15s with just an intake (:D). i have yet to hear of an RSX Type S even doing that. so until base model RSX guys start churning out low 15s stock or with a filter/intake...i don't see how you can say they're faster :)

[cilvrwing38]

mee too... me live near willowbrook

[celicaboi]

ok..a little confused.. the si beat your Gt-s, how the heck did that happen...

correct me if im wrong doesnt Si have stock 130hp...
now i've race my buddy's Si and he's got aem cai/exhaust and i still took his arse out...

now if it was an sir that raced you maybe that might be different, but still you should also kill the sir with ease......
anyways that's my $0.02

[maztur]

I hope you're in Canada, because Canadian SiR is USA SI ... so Canadian SI is USA Ex which is 127bhp

[ishido]

America Honda Civic SI=160 HP 1.6L 4 cyl DOHC VTEC
Honda Civic EX= 125 HP 1.6L 4cyl SOHC VTEC

The Civic Si engine is the same engine that was in the Del Sol VTEC. The Del Sol also had several different designations... the S, Si (only 125 1.6 SOHC like the EX), and the VTEC 160HP

Just a little background info :)

[cilvrwing38]

now i know why i beat a del sol with i/h/e sooo bad

[CheezeFrog]

Was that on the north side of 1960, or the south side? The south side is hella bumpy and I try not to go over 50mph there. The north side is freshly paved though, but there's always cops sitting up there. Anyway dude, there's a bunch of car guys who meet at Starbucks across from Willowbrook on Friday and Sat nights. Come join us some time.

[cilvrwing38]

i only chill with my own kind bro (race)....sorry mmayn

[celicaboi]

ahh ok..makes more sense..
i though sir are all over.. here in canada si means "si" and then we have the "sir's" too..
so still doesnt explain why.. gts?

[phaqgm]

Originally posted by cilvrwing38
i only chill with my own kind bro (race)....sorry mmayn

That has got to be the most ignorant comment I have heard next to "I did not have sexual relations with Ms. Lewinski."

Sorry, but this is almost 2002 and you are talking about race. c'mon man, we are enthusiasts... Right?

[cilvrwing38]

im just fuking widya mayn....neways happy new year to all!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[mitchie41]

The SiR(Si for you americans) can beat the GT and i'm 100% sure of it, as long as the drivers are relatively equal...

as for the SiR Vs. GTS, that's a tough one, but I think that the GTS would win if the driver was really good( if the driver can keep the car in lift). If not, the SiR would totally kill the GTS. It's a lot easier to keep a car in the VTEC range between shifts than it is to keep a GTS in Lift.

[RACERGTS2000]

If not, the SiR would totally kill the GTS. It's a lot easier to keep a car in the VTEC range between shifts than it is to keep a GTS in Lift.

The SI would never kill a GT-S no matter if the driver stayed in came or not. It may win every once in a while because the GTS missed a gear or more importantly had a bad launch. Launch is more important than the 1 - 2 shift. Keep in mind I'm talking about stock vs. stock.

[RACERGTS2000]

CAM:o

[t2000gts]

the launch will matter more between an Si and a GTS in a race. the 1->2 shift will of course, but with equal launches on both, a bad 1->2 shift by the GTS, the GTS should still pull ahead in 3rd, just not as much.

if the GTS driver ****s up his launch and his shift, and the Si driver launches great and doesn't mess up, than the Si should be ahead by the quarter mile mark unless the GTS has like a CAI and unbolted exhaust in freezing weather and is one of those GTS(s) that traps 98-99mph :D Those guys are rare, and would probably smoke even other GTS 6spd I/E drivers from this board. plus there are Si drivers that have hit high 14s/low 15s with minimal mods. compared to the general population, it's a small amount, but it's been done. unlike say, the RSX guys who i dunno if they even cracked into 14s or run low 15s consistently yet everyone gives that car a ton of respect.

the auto GTS isn't comparable to an Si in any kind of a real race (doing just a 3rd gear roll-on or something isn't a real race). maybe only in a top speed test, but that would be hard. it will pull in lift in fourth (i got mine to an indicated 140-141 and still pulling) but it's damn hard to get into lift in 4th (it bogs horribly just before so it takes forever). the only reason for that is the auto GTS can put almost or around as much hp to the wheels and weighs a little less and has taller gearing. i have vids of me and kleefton also me and another 6-speed with CAI at my site @ http://subzero.mine.nu/celica/ and general assorted vids including some GTS low-mid-high 14 sec runs :) ... it would definitely be not as bad now in the colder weather if i raced him again from 60 (in one of the vids, i actually held off the 6-speed till over 80 before he could pull), but he'd still pull away like crazy as soon as it was time to shift.

[Juanca]

Originally posted by cilvrwing38
... we were doing about 45mph so i dropped it to 2nd and ...

Just curiosity, what's the max. speed from 1st to 2nd in a GT-S?

[NSX_GTR_LM]

I think around 60 at the end of second

[cilvrwing38]

62mph ...i think

[larryd]

Originally posted by Juanca


Just curiosity, what's the max. speed from 1st to 2nd in a GT-S?

it is 62mph..

[Juanca]

Originally posted by larryd


it is 62mph..

That sounds tall for a 6-speed gearbox. Anyway I'm gonna try mine to see the numbers (01 Eclipse GT).

[cilvrwing38]

it is tall...