setup I'm looking at to be completly done by june, give my your opinions please

[Karim]

ok i'm thinking to tottally prep my car for ESP this season since there is no more STR and that was what I was planning on. here's is the setup I am considering for my car,

CAI, injen (already have this)

exhaust undecided, with either be custom, TRD, or tanabe RM

hotshot header from MB autosport

SAFC with dyno tuning (is this allowed in SP?)

Goodridge brake lines

poterrfield R4s pads

stock gt rims on hooiser stickies

tien coilovers with corner balancing

custom alignment

ok i don't know which bars i'm not allowed to use for ESP but i'm pretty sure all these are legal, please correct me if I'm wrong

nc.org front strut bar

nc.org 2 point or 3 point rear strut bar (i remember reading we can only use the 2 point anyone want to clairfy)

cusco front lower arm bar

also are sway bars legal? i know hotchkis makes some, found them here in the nc.org store (http://www.hotchkistuning.com/frames/toyota_celica/00-02_toyota_celica.htm)

and a racing harness, no idea which one to get

and last but not least the most important one, a few driving schools and keep working on my driving

any suggestions on what I should put in or take out or swap?


thanx guys

Karim

[autxr]

Too many changes at once. Why bother with all that?

Assuming you are using SCCA rules, you are prepping for DSP, not ESP. ESP is pretty much 100% domestic v8 cars (and 3rd gen Supras).

You are spending a whole lot of money on lots of things but not on a real set of wheels? DSP has no wheel and tire restrictions. The best thing you can do to help your time is increase grip. That would mean x7 (minimum) or x8 wheels. It depends on the tire you want to run. I'd personally go with a 15x7.5 or 15x8 if I could find it and run 225/50-15 (or 225/45-15). You potentially could run a 16x8 and run a 245/45-16. Lots of tire there.

Sway bars are legal.

All the strut bars/braces are legal, but I still think you can't triangulate, so the 3 point bars should be avoided (read the rule book on this one, I'm not positive).

I am not sure if the brake lines are legal in street prepared either. They will do very little for you, so I'd avoid them myself (sort of a last resort mod).

Running a set of Carbotech Kelated metallic pads will do more in an autocross than those brake lines (the Carbotech pads have full bite when cold. Those Porterfields will stop like crap on stone cold brakes)

If it were me:

Do all the go-fast mods. Intake, header, exhast. Get good wheels and tires.

Leave the suspension stock to start. If you can't drive the car at 95%, what good is changing it and not knowing if you are going in the right direction.

Suspension mods should result from a need/desire to change something with the cars handling, not be done because you can.

Once you are doing well and running consistently, now start playing with the suspensioon to address you "cmoplaints" with the cars handling.

Scott

[nxracer]

First the "unofficial" SP rules are Here (http://moutons.org/sccasolo/Rules/sp.html)

Unless otherwise noted I agree with Scott

? SAFC with dyno tuning (is this allowed in SP?)
I believe so see rule 14.1.D

? Goodridge brake lines
Any Brake line is allowed see 14.6

? poterrfield R4s pad
I agree with Scott 10000000000% CarboTechs. But just the fronts (helps brake balance). There will more than likely be CarboTech pads on my car for 2002.

? tien coilovers with corner balancing
Tien makes a nice product but the adjustable dampers are adjustable in "compression" only. If only allowed one adjustment we really want to control "rebound"

? ok i don't know which bars i'm not allowed to use for ESP but i'm pretty sure all these are legal, please correct me if I'm wrong
See 14.2.C Bars cannot be triangulated must go upper to upper, lower to lower.

So far everyone is overlooking the best thing.....
Rule 14.10.N drum roll.................... "Limited slip differentials are permitted. This permits locked differentials, either by design, welding, or mechanical means. Differential cases, internal differential parts, and axle stubs may be machined as required for clearance and installation to the extent that material may only be removed, not added, and the exterior of the case may not be altered in any way. This machining may serve no other purpose."

[Karim]

thanx for the info guys, scott i understand what your saying about doing the go fast part and tires first then doing suspension, all these mods will come slowly. The go fast parts and tires are my biggest concern right now since power and grip are the 2 things my auto gt really lacks right now.

any wheels reccomendations? that aren't too much cash?

i had no idea the an LSD was allowed in SP, hmmmm time to look into the phantom grip.

any idea of where to get carbotech pads?

you guys got any ideas on what suspsension to look at that'll let us adjust rebound?

Thanx
Karim

[autxr]

Karim-

If you are serious enough to spend more than $100 prepping a car for street prepared, it might be wise to spend the $15-20 on a rule book.

nxracer is right, get the LSD. That would be my first mod for the class.

You can also do some porting, but there are restrictions on that in the rule book. Lots of tidbits worth knowing.

As for affordable wheels. in the realm of new wheels, i'd look into the Kosei Racing wheels. Fairly ligt and reasonably priced.

Carbotech pads are avaialble at www.carbotecheng.com You will have to change the autocross pads at every event (if you want your $150 to last more than a few weeks).

Koni shocks allow rebound adjustments. I really don't know enough about shocks to comments on which is better or why.

Scott

[pitcrew]

rebound is the adjustment you want on the shocks. (unless you're spending the BIG bucks for double adjustables) Rebound affects weight transfer and transitions, and can be used to balance the suspension at each end. Compression (bump) adjustment is primarily only used to compensate for the roughness of the track surface to help keep the tire planted. Konis are the only rebound adjustable off the shelf shock that doesn't affect the bounce at the same time. (and possibly the TRDs, I'm not familiar enough with them.)
Wheel weight is VERY important! I've seen very knowlegable people say that a 9# wheel is good for 3-4 10ths over a 15# wheel on a 60 sec course.

[pitcrew]

Comment on the LSD:
Does anyone around have any actual experience with an LSD equipped Celica? My reading (no first hand experience, racing a FWD is new to me) says that it may not be a desirable thing in a FWD car due to unexpected torque steer issues.:confused:

[nxracer]

My NX2000 had a "not very good" LSD but it worked wonders. I'll take torque steer over inside wheel spin any day.

[Karim]

scott thanx for the info will order rulebook in the morning,

i really have to thank you all,

You guys are tottally awesome for helping me out and answering all these questions. I love this board we have the coolest people on here and everyone is so helpful.

Thanx

Karim

[brothermaynard]

I had an SER and it had the same LSD as the nx2000, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it good. However It beat the hell out of an open differential. This by the way is probably the my biggest beef with this car no LSD. My sentra had less power and was cheaper yet it had one. I have found it hard to deal with. I do dig on that 6K hit though. My sentra didn't do that.