The reason why some Celica owners trade their cars.

[Warmy]

Well,

It's all revolves on lack of torque. You see, most of the people complained of the lack of speed and torque.

If the celica had let's say a 4 cyl Turbocharged 230 HP / 235 TQ nobody would trade their car. Hey it looks good/fast and it is FAST.

Same thing goes for this : V6 3.0 NA with 220 HP / 245 TQ


Handling on the Celica is very good. There's no prob with that.

There's also a lot of features for the celica.

The car is nice looking too.



Summary: If it was AWD/RWD with 230 HP / 235 TQ it would be a a really really hot car.

[Mistrimeat]

Originally posted by Warmy
Well,

It's all revolves on lack of torque.

Not really. Some people just get bored with it or want something thats fast "out of the box".

[autxr]

Hmm, I guess that same lack of torque is why integra type R owners are all trading their cars in...

Why would I trade the celica in:

1) Lack of back seat space (my wife and I are hoping for kids soon).
2) Lack of limited slip differential (this is quickly becoming a deal breaker for me, and I can't just add one, the SCCA is a little picky about that).

Do I wish it had more torque? Sure I do, but it certainly isn't a deal breaker. Also, if they added a V-6 engine ot the car, IMHO it won't be a Celica anymore.

They made a 6 cylinder Celica, it's called a Supra.

Scott

[baNanA_ryCe]

Why I would trade in the celica:

1) It's an auto GT....Duh it's slow!
2) Lack of back seat space...i have friends..and they bump their heads on either the window or the roof of my car
3) Dash is a funny gay...i mean gray....color

i wish i had a manual........gt or gt-s.....maybe i'd be happier...
once the turbo comes out for the GT i'm gonna be all over it...

[ArchangelX]

Originally posted by Mistrimeat


Not really. Some people just get bored with it or want something thats fast "out of the box".

Nah...I don't think it's cuz everyone wants it "fast outta the box".

I think I sold mine because I wanted some more "potential outta da the box". The Celica can be made FAST...but for 320 horses..you're looking at about 10,000 buckaroos, and there's the reliability to consider at that amount, plus the fact the car is FWD, it really keeps all that power and usability to nothing but straight line speed.

Of course..a 320hp Celica is damn good-looking and fast.... :drool:

I want power, but I want to be able to use it a little differently than you would in a Celica. Plus..for 10,000 buckaroos...my RX-7 will be pretty damn close to a supercar after I get done with it.

And I definetly didn't sell it cuz I wanted rear seats. :chuckles:

[jotan82]

i have 1 word for you

aftermarket

[Warmy]

See..look at angel.

If the Celica was like I stated....he would off never traded.

(personally, I wouldn't get a 1993 vehicule...I feel like I would be degrading. 1993 was then. 2002 is NOW)

[Sirk_2]

Originally posted by Warmy
(personally, I wouldn't get a 1993 vehicule...I feel like I would be degrading. 1993 was then. 2002 is NOW)
Degrading? I think not....Many people would look at his (now) stock RX-7 and drool over it, WAY before they'd be drooling over a new celica...even with a kit...at least thats how I am :D

The only reason I would trade my celica in, would be b/c I'd get bored with it, or if I REALLY fuked something up on it, and tried to get rid of it as fast as possible.

[2000 XYR]

I didn't like having to rev to like 12,000 RPM to get any power out of it. It was pretty quick but not as fast or as responsive as I wanted. I also wanted something faster "out of the box". That way you don't have to deal with aftermarket or warranty voiding or anything. Plus I missed my pickup truck that I traded in on the Celica. So I thought to myself: What's the fastest pickup truck made? And there you go.

[MarkyMark]

Originally posted by Warmy
See..look at angel.

If the Celica was like I stated....he would off never traded.

(personally, I wouldn't get a 1993 vehicule...I feel like I would be degrading. 1993 was then. 2002 is NOW)

He did the smartest thing imaginable. I hope to do the same in the near future. Cars were great in the mid 90s, now they're watered down trash. RX7, Supra, VR4, GSX - they're all timeless, they'll be hot even 10 more years from now.

[ArchangelX]

Well..to be honest..my RX-7 IS an older model..

But as long as the interior still seems "new" and doesn't look dated..I'm perfectly fine with it.

This car is already a classic, simply because of it's low production numbers in the United States. So ya..I guess it is "old"

But it sure as hell doesn't look like it when you're sitting inside. It's very modern looking...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/p24ac101fd34cf55c2dc8de42dea7f98a/fd12f385.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/p02cf85f22a30d2330fd5e964059c4d67/fd12f374.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/p996c93490cf4e609ee98a76df3668cf7/fd12f36c.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid38/p08301587c039dfffaa6a1595ebde5506/fd12f38a.jpg

A close up of the interior through the window...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid39/p34a6b6db89a67fb07908ad0113500623/fd0509b1.jpg.orig.jpg

I think it looks fabulous...Mazda was WAY ahead of the power curve when it comes to their interiors back in 93.

[jotan82]

i woulda trade my celica for a 91 NSX in a heartbeat

[Warmy]

Ya, it does look nice. Mazda does make cool interiors. I like your RX-7.

But my Hatchback is nicer looking, so there. Actually...the celica is nicer looking too.

One of my favorite low-mid 90s cars are

-CRX
-CORRADO
-93-95 CIVIC HATCH


Never was impressed by the RX-7 or the old eclipse or.....etc.

[FISH]

I just fell in love with the G35 sedan after my first test drive.I know it does not look as good as my GTS did,but you get much more car for the money.

[Warmy]

So you have a g35 sedan now??....are they RWD? too lazy to check.

[FISH]

It's rwd.

[F35-JSF]

Originally posted by jotan82
i woulda trade my celica for a 91 NSX in a heartbeat

Same here.

[Hungster]

shouldve got a g35 coupe those are soo sweeetttttt. But yea i am pretty happy with my celi, only had it for like 4 months and i already spent about 6-7 grand modding it.ughhhh no more money for me. The only thing i would trade it in for is a g35 coupe or maybe a new supra when they come out.

[FISH]

My bro is picking up the coupe in a month so I will just switch with him when he's sleeping.

[cool2miketlu]

Originally posted by Warmy
Well,

It's all revolves on lack of torque. You see, most of the people complained of the lack of speed and torque.

If the celica had let's say a 4 cyl Turbocharged 230 HP / 235 TQ nobody would trade their car. Hey it looks good/fast and it is FAST.



Well I got that, I got 223FWHP and 198lbs of torque. But cost me over $7G to get there, and will have to spend another $2G on stand alone ECU system to make it all work right.
So $9G for custom setup... Can get a turboed car like WRX cheaper than that.

[t2000gts]

if everyone wanted torque, it's the celica that would have been discontinued and not the f-bodies.

[MrGan78]

For daily driver celica's not so good. Got no torque and You gotta push it hard to make the car move. I also think FWD sucks espeically in rainy days. I loose so much traction. One more thing I don't like it's the cheap lookin plastic material used inside the car. I definitely love the style of the inteior tho. I know you might say cheaper material = lighter but why can't stupid toyota make our car like 20 more horses to back up the weight a little? I just don't want to rev up the car durin' heavy traffic. And again, I own a 2001 gts 6spd and I have many thoughts of tradin' or sellin' the car to get something more powerful but **** it, celica looks hella good with kit and rims. Also one more thing I fukin regret I got a silver celica. It's everywhere in my area. I get lots of calls from friend sayin' "Hey were u at that blah blah blah street? ". I said "no why?" they would say something like " OH, I see a silver celica that looks like urs". Fuk man...I feel lame..lol

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by Warmy
Summary: If it was AWD/RWD with 230 HP / 235 TQ it would be a a really really hot car. [/B]

Yeah, and it would also be much more expensive. If you ask me, for the money, the GT and the GT-S are both very nice sport compacts. The Celica's strong point is handling, not straight line speed. The weak aftermarket for straight line speed is what irritates people.

[redlineGTS]

Originally posted by ArchangelX
I want power, but I want to be able to use it a little differently than you would in a Celica. Plus..for 10,000 buckaroos...my RX-7 will be pretty damn close to a supercar after I get done with it.


ArchangelX...sorry to bust your bubble buddy...when i say this i know many ppl will agree with me too.... You Talk To Much About Your RX-7!!! i understand you are happy with your car but every post you make involves your RX-7!!! btw i like your RX-7:D

[ArchangelX]

Well..only in the posts that sorta relate to it. :(

Maybe I need a valium or something. :chuckles:

[buckeye23]

I tried selling my Celica last summer. I found a 97 Eclipse GSX for 13K. It was in great condition and everything. I just couldn't find a buyer for me car. Oh well.

[trapdowner]

well i for one feel like its time to upgrade...i need more space ( i am 6'5) and i want more luxury...leather heated seats 4 doors..the werks..so tomarrow i am picking up a 2002 acura 3.2 tl....not an s type....but still got navigation,bose, xenons and the werks....mike

[03'GTS]

you should get the cl-s

[pepsiman]

Originally posted by jotan82
i have 1 word for you

aftermarket

hey jotan.. you still on this board?
dayme i thought you sold your celica..
anyways do you work for tein?
i need you to hook me up if you do..

[MilinGTS]

some of us want an aftermarket...so that when someting breaks we have something stronger to replace it with.

[Griffin]

Personally I had no complaints about any of my Celis except the ghey rev limiter on the 02 GTS. I think it is truly awsome in stock form. Only reason *I* ditched mine was I now get a free car from work and have a huge ass mortage. The 2 things make keeping it impractical. Well.... that and I've been wanting an Alltrac since the first time I drove one. I've had 3 7th gens, loved em all, but I wanted to try turbo and AWD on a non loaner that I could mod - just never done it before on any of my cars, they have always been NA. If they make an AWD turbo version of the 7th gen my Alltrac would be looking for a new home in a heartbeat. :D

[theos]

i dont think RX 7 are very reliable cars...but i will only trade a toyota for another reliable car. That's me, i dont afford to spend a lot of money to maintain a car, but i will certainly like to use money to mod the car

[valkyrie]

if i can get G35 coupe, i definitely take that one
^_^

[MarkyMark]

Originally posted by buckeye23
I tried selling my Celica last summer. I found a 97 Eclipse GSX for 13K. It was in great condition and everything. I just couldn't find a buyer for me car. Oh well.

there goes a once in a lifetime opportunity :(

[Blue Bomber]

The only reasons I'd get rid of my Celica:

1. Insurance is kinda steep (NJ insurance sucks :thumbdown ).

2. I get into an accident and total the car.

3. It rusts through in about 20 years.

4. I win a superior car in some contest.

5. I win the lottery. :p

[Unison8]

Well I got rid of my celica because the transmission blew up (Toyota could not tell me why) and Toyota gave me a hard time about fixing it, they said they will fix it this one time as a courtesy. So I said if this happens again I'm screwed. Thats why I got rid of my celica.

[03'GTS]

Damn why would the car need to have AWD/RWD and Turbo to be good. Dame if they made a turbo version period that would be the **** Turbo/FWD is still good to me. Besides it is still good now.

[MarkyMark]

Originally posted by 03'GTS
Damn why would the car need to have AWD/RWD and Turbo to be good.

sit and ride in a car that is turbo AWD then you'll know the answer to that :)

[Drag'nGT]

:werd:

But I can't just drop my car and pick up on another one at the moment. I love my Celica. I just want an aftermarket. :(

[buckeye23]

Originally posted by MarkyMark


there goes a once in a lifetime opportunity :(

No doubt...The only thing I didn't like was the color, it was that maroon color. Very insignificant in the whole scheme of things. I tried to sell mine for 17,000, which was around blue book at the time. As I looked through auto trader magazine, I saw one pretty much identical to mine, the jackass was selling for 14K. He put the dealer trade-in amount in there instead of the private party price. Fucker lowballed everyone.

[03'GTS]

Originally posted by MarkyMark


sit and ride in a car that is turbo AWD then you'll know the answer to that :)

True whats better than a turbo? A turbo with AWD...:D:chuckles: :naughty: But I'm just saying that even if they made a Turbo FWD version of the Celica (which is never gonna happen for the 7th gen) that would still be really nice. Now if they made that with AWD that would be even better. Kinda like the 2g Eclipse cept a little different
GT - 1zz 140hp
GTS - 2zz 180hp
GT Turbo - 2jz(hehe) probably make a new engine 210-230hp?
GTX (copy of ecplise) - Same as turbo but with AWD

[valkyrie]

lol
GTX, that's funny
AWD + turbo = WRX

[MrGan78]

Today I really feel bad about my celica. The road noise is fukin loud with my aem cai/tsrm/falken tires. I was doing 40ish in traffic and what the **** man. I start to dislike it now. Its only good when I make a turn or brake the car. All the rest feels really lame. Espeically the "lack of torque" !! **** Also I dunno it's just my car or it's all celica related problem, When my car almost come to a complete stop. Sometimes I cannot fukin shift to 1st. I gotta push hard to get in. What the fuk is wrong? I find this really lame when u r on a hill or something and I dun wanna shift to 2nd and have no power or feel the car is stallin'. Is it something wrong with my tranny? help guys

[mac340]

have you changed your gear oil? i changed mine to amsiol 75-90 synthetic and it shifts much smoother now.

[Dealer Xing]

Why not drive a Bus if you want torque?

[F35-JSF]

Thats a little sarcastic.

[Da Kine Guy]

Most cars are hard to put in first, especially in a roll. All the manuals I've driven have been this way.

[ArchangelX]

Originally posted by F35-JSF
Thats a little sarcastic.

So? :p

[celicagt01]

My reason for trading in my Celica is plain and simple. It was a GT Auto. Slow, boring, and practical. I needed to drive something with some balls once before I get married.

[Toy Yoda]

Hey Archangel, be sure to watch out for the notorious FD3S engine problems...
I'd hate to see a piece of automotive art like your '7 at a scrap yard.

[cftofu2k]

who cares if the celica is slow. it still looks good :)

[ArchangelX]

Originally posted by Toy Yoda
Hey Archangel, be sure to watch out for the notorious FD3S engine problems...
I'd hate to see a piece of automotive art like your '7 at a scrap yard.

Notoriously absent in my case. :p

98k on the clock...fully stock...no reliability mods done....running perfectly fine except for a clogged pre-cat. :thumbup:

Of course, I don't want to jhinx myself, so I'm getting a complete engine and tranny rebuild in January. Jan 24, to be exact.

Thanks, man!

[ArchangelX]

Oh...and for those of you that are believing the "RX-7s aren't reliable", here's a nice link for you...

How many RX-7 Owners have 70k or more on the stock engine...
http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19290&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

It all depends on how you take care of it....

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

only way i would get rid of my celica is if got totalled and i didn't have insurance.....and if some game me a nsx or supra and said I couldn't keep the celica....haha....I love the celica...sure it gets me down that are aftermarket isnt that big....but it pushes me harder to make more come out of this........10 yrs ago when this import scene wasn't that big....where was the aftermarket for the import pioneers in the us....kids in garages doing their own thing.......

[celica gte racing]

I like the celica cuz its light and sharp handling. I don't want a heavy V6 car.

[2000 XYR]

ArchangelX: I'll be the first to tell you that I don't know "squat" about RX7's. Rotary's have always gotten my attention basically because of the totally different engine. And twin-turbo to boot? What's not to like? :D But everytime I hear someone mention your generation of RX7, there's like 3 people that jump in and say "they aren't reliable". So my question is: You keep defending the reliability of them, but is it more of a question of mods or something? Is it the type of car that is 99.9% reliable until the boost increases and mods begin? Maybe that's part of the problem. There's always going to be more problems with cars that are modded and I can see how that RX7 would be hard to lay off of modding. ;) As I said I don't know anything about them, but and just curious and wondered if you can give info of why people "think" they are unreliable? Is it just jealously? Is it just a myth?

[ArchangelX]

Originally posted by 2000 XYR
ArchangelX: I'll be the first to tell you that I don't know "squat" about RX7's. Rotary's have always gotten my attention basically because of the totally different engine. And twin-turbo to boot? What's not to like? :D But everytime I hear someone mention your generation of RX7, there's like 3 people that jump in and say "they aren't reliable". So my question is: You keep defending the reliability of them, but is it more of a question of mods or something? Is it the type of car that is 99.9% reliable until the boost increases and mods begin? Maybe that's part of the problem. There's always going to be more problems with cars that are modded and I can see how that RX7 would be hard to lay off of modding. ;) As I said I don't know anything about them, but and just curious and wondered if you can give info of why people "think" they are unreliable? Is it just jealously? Is it just a myth?

You hit the nail on the head....it's people not knowing what the hell they are doing when modding....

I'm still not NEARLY as knowledgeable about the car. I have a working understanding of how everything comes together, but I'm still iffy on how all the vacum hoses, pressure lines..bla bla..work in the sequential TT system.

What I THINK is happening is that everyone has heard some rumor or their friend's friend has had his or her RX-7 blow up on them. There's a bandwagon effect going on here, in my own eyes....which is very common place.

How many individuals on this board actually physically know someone who owns a 3rd Gen RX-7...I mean before I purchased this car, the only thing I've ever done is read a few posts on the internet about them, and seen a few at the track. That's it.

From the past month of reading and research into the reliability I've figured out the following main points:

1) A stock RX-7 that isn't ragged out to death is as reliable as any other high performance sports car.
2) If the RX-7 is intended to be ragged out, it needs to have all of the reliability mods taken care of BEFORE power modifications begin to keep it reliable. Such as new radiator, downpipe, AST replacement, grounding mods, etc...The RX-7 well be consistently reliable if these steps are taken.
3) A well-tuned, well-maintained, highly modified RX-7 is STILL very reliable. There are people pushing 400HP on the RX-7 with no problems...because they take the time to ensure their car is tuned properly.
4) An aftermarket ECU (Power FC, Haltech) is MANDATORY if you plan to modify. The RX-7 operates off of a MAP sensor and cannot adjust to modifications....thereby resulting in a lean conditon...one good solid ping...your seals are toast.
5) MANY, MANY, MANY, of the people who have given the RX-7 a bad name, are the same people who have simply been complete morons when it comes to modifications. People that throw intake, full exhaust, and then run boost like crazy are the ones that say "The RX-7 isn't reliable".
6)The RX-7 is an OLDER TWIN TURBO car, of course if you buy one with 75,000 miles that's been driven like a race car, stuff is going to break, and things are going to need replacement.
7)Don't ever take the car to Mazda. Because Mazda America is one of the reasons, the RX-7 has gotten such a bad rap. It's a rotary engine...mechanics have to be TRAINED to handle all of the vacum hoses, and what not that's UNIQUE to this car.

This quote sums it all up quite nicely....

People are lazy. This is NOT the car to be lazy with. It needs maintenance - and quite a bit of it. To me, this is true of any TRUE sports car (usually older ones). People have become spoiled by their "100,000 mile tune-up" SUVs - they just want to point it and go.

There's quite a few gremlins that've been problems with the 93-95 RX7s. A few were fixed through recalls, most weren't. Overheating and detonation in these engines is instant death - meaning not checking the coolant level or getting a bad tank of gas can have some very negative affects, especially when some inbred yahoo gets the car and decides to crank up the boost, like his cousin / father did in their T-type.

Things I've been looking for in a new (to me) RX7 as I've been searching are repair records and reliability mods. I've seen enough cars with 70k+ on them that drive ok, but show the signs of neglect and abuse. Look for an owner who knows what they've got. You'll pay more for the car, but you get what you pay for.

Stupid people buy the car not knowing what they're getting into and blow them up. I KNOW these engines will last if maintained...


And again..take a look at that thread I linked to earlier....

I still have to say..I've got a car that's got 97,600 miles on it..and it's still running strong without any major repair work done on it since it's production.

The only reason I'm rebuilding it, is because I want a solid foundation, with no future possibilities of problems due to a tired engine....I don't know what the car's been through..I don't know how hard it's been run, and if I'm going to be boosting 14psi...I don't want to grenade it.

Thanks for reading, IF you read all that...

[HilfigerCelica]

You're my guinea pig Archangel, some day I may build up a FD if your can stand the test of time.

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

thats true about rx-7's .......they just need to be taken cared of.

[Mr.EcLiPsE]

BLAH

[celica gte racing]

no man, rx7's are god damn sweet. The rotary engine is a work of art... damn quick too, in its stock form.

[trapdowner]

well..the other day i picked up my 2002 acura tl and i dont have it anymore.....the focker was stolen while i was in a club the other night....i didnt even get to put 1000 miles on it....o well shizit happens right..so now i gotta wait till the insurance says the car is officlaly lost...2-5 weeks. well thank god for my winter beater..91 talon tsi that i bought for 1200 bux...lol. i dunno what i am gonna get to replace the tl now......mike

[2000 XYR]

Are you even gonna get enough to replace it? Why wouldn't you replace it with another TL since you just chose that car. Did you change your mind already?

[trapdowner]

well, since the car only ahd 600 miles on it and i bought it for 24000 and it had a sticker of 32 i am hoping to get more than the 24 i paid for it the insurance co dont know what i paid and since there was no loan on it i am hoping to possibly get at least 28 or 29. i would love to get another tl but i have a thing for buying cars that i have already owned...i may just get a 6 speed cl type s but i gotta wait till i hear back from the insurance..mike

[2000 XYR]

Gotcha. Much easier since you had no loan.
I would think you'd get near sticker for it since that's what it would cost to replace it.

[dfess1]

Originally posted by redlineGTS


ArchangelX...sorry to bust your bubble buddy...when i say this i know many ppl will agree with me too.... You Talk To Much About Your RX-7!!! i understand you are happy with your car but every post you make involves your RX-7!!! btw i like your RX-7:D

Thank you. I mean shit, I don' t go around talking about my M3 all the time, only when someone asks me a specifc question. Gotta remember you're on a celi board, and people don't want to be reminded all the time about how much better your car is than theirs.

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

leave him alone i like rx-7's:thumbup:

[ArchangelX]

Originally posted by dfess1


Thank you. I mean shit, I don' t go around talking about my M3 all the time, only when someone asks me a specifc question. Gotta remember you're on a celi board, and people don't want to be reminded all the time about how much better your car is than theirs.

WTF? I haven't said crap about my RX-7 as of late...only because I was asked to... so :fawk: all you haterz! Plus..I don't necessarily consider my RX-7 as better than the Celica. I miss my Celica just like LarryD does... :wtc:

And so far..everytime you've posted dfess in relation to my RX-7 you've said something about your M3. :rolleyes:

Oh..and thanks, Auto[BoT]_GTS. :gap:

[dfess1]

Originally posted by ArchangelX


WTF? I haven't said crap about my RX-7 as of late...only because I was asked to... so :fawk: all you haterz! Plus..I don't necessarily consider my RX-7 as better than the Celica. I miss my Celica just like LarryD does... :wtc:

And so far..everytime you've posted dfess in relation to my RX-7 you've said something about your M3. :rolleyes:

Oh..and thanks, Auto[BoT]_GTS. :gap:

Hey man, I'm not rippin your ride. It's your car, you like it, you like it. I'm just saying, after reading your posts, the minute you get a chance to go off topic on your RX-7, you do. If i responded about my M3 in one of your posts, it's merely to point out that you are not the first person in the world to own a RWD car with a 50/50 weight split. And yes, I would consider an RX-7 or M3 better than a celica. Owned a celica, I now own an M3, and it is far superior.

But still, working your car in all the time gets annoying. It's like my buddy and his job. He constantly works in how he's grossing 300k this year, 2 years out of college. It gets annoying when someone is always trying to show you up and what not, that's all. It's a matter of respect, plain and simple.

[JaxCD]

ummmm
that's why i am waiting on trubo;)

[ArchangelX]

Dude...I can show you plenty of posts in the past half month where I haven't mentioned my RX-7...do I have to list them all?

It probably seems like I'm always posting about it because you're keying in on it... :rolleyes:

[ArchangelX]

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55994
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56084
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56092
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55999
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55919
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55811
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&forumid=9&x=9&y=8
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56080
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&forumid=9&x=9&y=8
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56087
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55956
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55927

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55758 (I love this post..because it's the perfect opportunity to brag about my RX-7, but did I brag? NO!)

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56027
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55810
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55621
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55766
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55148
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55354
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55577
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55263
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&thrhttp://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55494eadid=55336
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55509
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54785
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55323
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54215

Ugg...is that enough proof for you? :rolleyes: I can keep going if you like...I only posted where appropriate...or when someone has asked or requested.

So get off my back!

[FuriousBlkGT]

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[FuriousBlkGT]

FIRST OF ALL MY ENGLISH SUCKS so please forgive me for the grammar or spelling. :(

I just want to put some input toward some of this message

MrGan78 - (correct me if i'm wrong) i don't think you want to down shift to 1st when you are trying to stop ! and that's not a celica problem that's more like a common sense thing, you are just doing nothing more than

This is the comment for those who is bS'ing about celica here is some thing for you
1. noise - many car have noise if you go aftermarket. :)
2. slow - shouldn't you know how's fast is the celica before you buy it? (if not go do a better research before you purchase your car)
3. no Torque - most of the vvt-i, i-vtec, vvtl-i, or vtec car doesn't have torque, but for some reason they are amazing with speed
4. you can't compare a B class car to an A class car
such as comparing the Civic with the Accord or the MR2 TURBO to Celica NON TURBO it doesn't work that way

I mean i understand there is hell a lot better car than celica. and i can't say that all other sucks just because i love my celica
but here is something from my heart
i love my celica, because i love the way it looks, i knew is not going to be that fast but for a 140hp car i'm happy with it, plus i'm 19 years old and i'm pimpin' with that ride around my friends :)

[chrono9six]

Now really everyone. I with arch on this. We all love our cars and im not gonna bag on him if he has a passion for something. I know his rx-7 is faster but it makes me happy that he enjoys his car. I love my car and thats why im here. Tell me all about your rx-7!

[Auto[BoT]_GTS]

yes yes thier is still a few of us that love the celica........seems like everyone here wants to bash the celica for sum reason

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

I honestly love the Celica. I put a whole year into the car and a lot of lonely days driving a 96 Probe while WC worked on my car. The one thing people have to understand is where they want to go. As for me I loved the GT4 and thought the 7th gen would kind of take that role over. It didn't I moved on to the WRX. More my GT4 style. But alot of people on here love the clean lines, the wicked headlamps, and the fact that whenever I see a Celica in my rear view it looks like an angry beast about to attack. I love the Celica, I will always love that car. I just wont miss the 140hp. Each to his own. How many here love Dippin in the hottest car on the street.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy
Most cars are hard to put in first, especially in a roll. All the manuals I've driven have been this way.

I was going to rebuild mine because of this, but got lazy. I've heard sometimes it cures this problem in the Tremec's. Not sure what brand Toyota uses. A good thing to use in it is some ATF or GM syncomesh..should help

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

I hate reverse!

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by dfess1


Thank you. I mean shit, I don' t go around talking about my M3 all the time, only when someone asks me a specifc question. Gotta remember you're on a celi board, and people don't want to be reminded all the time about how much better your car is than theirs.

*shrugs*

I talk about Mustangs all the time on here and people hate me for it, lol..

so?

The 7's a great car, he should be able to flex its might how he chooses as an owner.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

This is a Celica Community... So a lot of us OWNED Celica at one point, now that we dont own one anymore we are banished. The thing about owning other cars and have owned a Celica is you can give an answer from both sides of the trenches.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

BTW: If Archangel talks about the FD so much, dont read his threads.

[ArchangelX]

Thanks guys...appreciate the support. :wtc:

Like I've always said..I love the Celica, and Dark Star is right..we've still got the experience with the Celica to go off of.

Earlier today, I finished a page long install of the S-AFC for someone who was having problems with it. Just because I don't have a Celica anymore, doesn't mean I don't still support it.

And damn Dark Star..maybe I should do a little sumthin' sumthin' for my WRX. It's probably feelin' neglected.

Of course....I don't think I like the fact of my wife being able to whoop my azz. :wtf:

EDIT: Hey, DS...so all you've got done is the downpipe, exhaust, and intake, plus the MBC? Wow...300hp, huh? Nice...what's that equate to at the wheels with the 20% drivetrain loss? Sounds pretty damn quick.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

:thumbup: My finace keeps beggin to drive it... OMG i can only imagine her at 3100RPM.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Another thing people forget is look at the expirience in former Celica Owners... LarryD, Archangel, Pluto, DaKineGuy, Me and many others. A lot of us former owners were the first to do things, for example every single one of you with an MBautosport hoodscoop had eathier my mold of 4B's mold, and when you get that new WCToyota Turbo it came out of my car or Fourgigs car. Just remember that... we still love the community if we are still here contributing.

[celica gte racing]

there's only one way to settle this...
RX-7 vs M3 vs Mustang

anyone?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

RX7 all the way...

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by celica gte racing
there's only one way to settle this...
RX-7 vs M3 vs Mustang

anyone?

straight line: Stang
Handling: 7/M3
Braking: 7
Price: M3

:D

[DGS]

I hope all you fools get rid of your Celica's, will make us owners a little more unique. ;)

Actually, I live in Dallas, and I swear to you-know-who, I can count on one hand the number of GT-S's I've seen in the 2.5 years I've lived here. I've seen quite a few GT's. Both times I went price shopping at Toyota dealerships, ever single one of them kept telling me what a rare car the GT-S is, and how few of them they get. They weren't bullsh!ting either, it was very difficult to find a 6 speed 2002 to test drive. Right now, I believe I test drove the only 2003 6 speed in the entire metroplex. I had to special order the damn car because Toyota makes so few of them, and the few they do make, for some reason don't come with side airbags unless you order it that way. WTF Toyota?!?! Side airbags should not be an option in ANY new car sold now, it's a proven life saving device, and it's not exactly cutting edge tech either. I also don't understand why ABS is an option on this car either. Another proven life saving device, it blows my mind I had to order that as an option.

Funny thing is, if I wanted a 2003 RSX Type S, I could have my pick of the litter. Drove up to an Acura dealership the other day for kicks, and they had about 9 Type S's on the lot. Toyota dealerships around here are lucky if they have 1 GT-S 6 speed at any given time.

[FuriousBlkGT]

DGS,
i understand toyota is an asshole for that whole option ABS, power windows, crap, and forcing us to wait forever for our car to come in. HOwever, by ordering your own car will make sure everything inside the car is what you wanted and also by ordering your own car will make sure nobody will ever FuXks around with your car by TESTING driving it like crazy
I feel bad for those RSX S, i bet they are bitten up by those @$$ who test drove them like no tomorrow.

[ringthree]

Originally posted by 2000 XYR
I didn't like having to rev to like 12,000 RPM to get any power out of it. It was pretty quick but not as fast or as responsive as I wanted. I also wanted something faster "out of the box". That way you don't have to deal with aftermarket or warranty voiding or anything. Plus I missed my pickup truck that I traded in on the Celica. So I thought to myself: What's the fastest pickup truck made? And there you go.

Whatever, junkie.

[spaldam]

I wish I'd never bought the Celica. If I had it to do all over again I would have waited until I could find a 1992 Supra in good condition with lots of goodies in it. With as much as I've put into my Celica already, I could have had a very nicely supped up Supra all paid for, and still had enough left to have kept my old Toyota 4x4 Pickup.

Now I can't even sell my Celica because I owe too much on it due to the horrible depreciation on it. So I guess my biggest reason to get rid of it would be fanatical.

Not to mention all the bugs I keep taking it back to the dealership to have fixed, but that's what I get for buy the first year of a new model.

The reason I got it was because for the price range, it was the best performing, and best looking 2 door hatch available on the new car market.

[Kry]

Originally posted by DGS
I hope all you fools get rid of your Celica's, will make us owners a little more unique. ;)

Actually, I live in Dallas, and I swear to you-know-who, I can count on one hand the number of GT-S's I've seen in the 2.5 years I've lived here. I've seen quite a few GT's. Both times I went price shopping at Toyota dealerships, ever single one of them kept telling me what a rare car the GT-S is, and how few of them they get. They weren't bullsh!ting either, it was very difficult to find a 6 speed 2002 to test drive. Right now, I believe I test drove the only 2003 6 speed in the entire metroplex. I had to special order the damn car because Toyota makes so few of them, and the few they do make, for some reason don't come with side airbags unless you order it that way. WTF Toyota?!?! Side airbags should not be an option in ANY new car sold now, it's a proven life saving device, and it's not exactly cutting edge tech either. I also don't understand why ABS is an option on this car either. Another proven life saving device, it blows my mind I had to order that as an option.

Funny thing is, if I wanted a 2003 RSX Type S, I could have my pick of the litter. Drove up to an Acura dealership the other day for kicks, and they had about 9 Type S's on the lot. Toyota dealerships around here are lucky if they have 1 GT-S 6 speed at any given time.

WERD ya all get rid of your celica NOW!!!

yeah.. i only see 3 other GT-S 6spd in 1.8 years after i bought my celica..

[gtman]

Originally posted by spaldam
.

The reason I got it was because for the price range, it was the best performing, and best looking 2 door hatch available on the new car market.

YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL!

People don't understand the Celi is already getting old.

[Kry]

i just bought a 93 RX7 TT ..

the reason?

i love the bov sounds
FD is a good drift car
it's FR
it's in the same class as supra.. tired of comparing celica with civics, RSXs, Tiburons..

[SC3]

I used to have an Auto GT.

I needed a bigger car with more torque, stick, and room in the back without sacrificing style and handling.

Plus my insurance went down.


-SC3

[celica rush]

Originally posted by F35-JSF
Same here.

me 2!!! those suckers still go hella high !!! a buddy of mine got a 91 for 24k...salvaged..fender kinda messed up....but it was all good at the end when he did a more modern headlight conversion...

[celica rush]

anyhoo..here is something we can agree with...

its TOYOTA FAULT!!! If they acutally give a lot of aftermarket support, people might just start buyinq celicas than pplz trading and gettinq rid of it. Just my .02 cents.

[Butt Dyno]

Originally posted by Warmy
Well,

It's all revolves on lack of torque. You see, most of the people complained of the lack of speed and torque.

hahahhaha the only thing I can say is, that when I saw the subject line I thought to myself "pfft, because it has no torque"

Then I opened up the thread and that was the first sentence :rofl:
Originally posted by Warmy
Summary: If it was AWD/RWD with 230 HP / 235 TQ it would be a a really really hot car.
Yeah, then it would be a WRX :) Except it would cost more. But at least the hood scoop would be functional ;)

And archangel - please never stop talking about your RX7 at any occasion - I was this close -> ][ to buying a 1-owner 93 Red R1... decided I wanted a warranty and AWD. But I love those cars and hope to buy one someday as a garage queen / SM2 car :)

And FWIW I have heard from a lot of people who really know RX7's that other than the basic stuff that people know fails (AST, pre-cat, radiator), the car is totally fine...

And buying an FD because you like the BOV sound is one of the lamest things I have ever heard.

*just realized this post was old, whatever, I am adding this anyway*

-bd

[jotan82]

gosh people, resurrecting posts :rolleyes:

some people can't handle the lack of back seat, most people like torque that can suck you into the seat.

the celica is a fun car to have, but no probable in the long run.

if i had the opportunity to be 18 again and do things over again that night at the toyota dealer, i woulda bought the car again, loved it again and sold it again.

[ArchangelX]

Wow...of all the posts to be brought up..it had to be the one where I was boasting and flexing. :rolleyes:

:chuckles:

Hey...Mr. Dyno..thanks man..heheh. How you likin' your scooby? I just washed and waxed mine today. It was the first time I've done it in a couple months (since it was on the boat over). Man..it was a mess..but it shined up SOOOO nice with a little bit of wax and elbow grease.

I forgot what a great car it is...now all it needs..is some MODS. *if my wife will let me... :wtc: *

So, Kry...you DID buy the RX7? Did you do all of the checks I told you about? Boost, Compression, bla bla?

I hoped I helped a little in your purchasing decision..and I hope you got a good FD! See you on the RX7club.com boards!!

[Kry]

Originally posted by ArchangelX
So, Kry...you DID buy the RX7? Did you do all of the checks I told you about? Boost, Compression, bla bla?

I hoped I helped a little in your purchasing decision..and I hope you got a good FD! See you on the RX7club.com boards!!

we will know it on monday

i brought up the old post coz i was reading your post about RX7 the whole time..

you don't have to pm me about more info i already read tons in your posts

but ya i brought it to the shop, the front and back compression both are like in the 80s then the guy put some ATF fluid in there to clean out the carbon or something..

then the compression became just barely above 100

is there any other reason cause the second turbo didn't kick in besides it needs a rebuilt?

the car body is in good shape.. no indication of accident.. 55k original miles on it..

but the previous own obviously didn't take good care of it mean maintenance wise

[ArchangelX]

Hmm..

Actually..the second turbo could be toast...OR..it could be clogged with oil, or one of the silicone hoses might be damaged. You could have a boost leak also..because I had one...if you check my mods link in my signature, you'll see the very first pictures were where my coupling failed.

Take a quick peek at that, too, while you're under there..it's easy to get too...

If the engine is only 55,000 miles...you should be able to take it another 40 to 50 thousand miles without worry.

Do a search on the RX7club board for bad turbos or something like that. There's a HUGE wealth of information backlogged on that board.

It's pretty tricky. I've taken mine off, and checked'em out...it's not too hard..I suggest you take a look at it, too....when you get the chance.

You'll have to get some PICS..heheh.

[Zackbo]

Why do I like my Celica? I've driven a lot of other fast cars, but the Celi GT-S is a perfect 'jekyll and hyde' vehicle, which fits my personality well. Most of the time I like to drive like your granny on Sunday, but every once in a blue moon, when I'm p.o.'ed, or wanting a rush, I wanna go to redline and stay above 6k for a day. The Celica does this perfectly, IMHO.

[Kry]

Originally posted by Zackbo
Why do I like my Celica? I've driven a lot of other fast cars, but the Celi GT-S is a perfect 'jekyll and hyde' vehicle, which fits my personality well. Most of the time I like to drive like your granny on Sunday, but every once in a blue moon, when I'm p.o.'ed, or wanting a rush, I wanna go to redline and stay above 6k for a day. The Celica does this perfectly, IMHO.

i am totally agree with you on that..

[archspeed]

Hmm, I guess that same lack of torque is why integra type R owners are all trading their cars in...
Nah, they're trading it in because they saved enough for an NSX. Seriously, not alot of ITR owners I know want to trade in their ITRs. It's a classic car made for the track. The ones who do trade it in are the ones who can't drive worth ****, they're not deserving of the ITR.

Lack of torque in high-revving engines are remedied easily. Keep your tach needles up there. Things will look good when you're in your proper powerband. I'm very comfortable with my 8100rpm redline and I can drive my car around the streets pretty fine.

Gearing is important, too. If the gearing is right, then everytime you shift, you will always land in lift, thus you'll always be in your powerband at every gear. The only gear you will feel "torqueless" is 1st gear. But you can remedy that by launching at higher rpms.

It's all down to how much you know how to drive your car, and whether or not you like high-revving cars.

[ArchangelX]

Dude...arch...I think that was SARCASM. :chuckles:

[fleetingglimpse]

damn I would trade this car for a wrx in a heartbeat. the torque sucks, the horsepower is weak, especially for the sport coupe market it is aimed at. Toyota dropped the ball on this car. I mean **** I think the suzuki aero has the same amount of horsepower. I wish I could upgrade cars but I don't have the money. My car, as is the case with most celicas, is def. all show, very little go. I guess the bright side is at least it looks nice.

[koss]

Originally posted by Warmy
Well,

It's all revolves on lack of torque. You see, most of the people complained of the lack of speed and torque.

If the celica had let's say a 4 cyl Turbocharged 230 HP / 235 TQ nobody would trade their car. Hey it looks good/fast and it is FAST.

Same thing goes for this : V6 3.0 NA with 220 HP / 245 TQ


Handling on the Celica is very good. There's no prob with that.

There's also a lot of features for the celica.

The car is nice looking too.



Summary: If it was AWD/RWD with 230 HP / 235 TQ it would be a a really really hot car.
just because you'd do it, doesnt mean everybody else would....dumbass :idiot: