Would you trade your GTS for a TRD Celica

[GTS2S2K]

Ok Guy and Gals would you trade your GTS for a TRD Celica if you had the chance?

Give me pro's and con's?

Thanks

[CelicaDetective]

TRD doesn't make a Celica, just the bodykit (now sold as the action package by Toyota) and a rear strut brace and suspension kit/springs... oh and an exhaust.

So no, trading in your GTS for some bolt-on mods is assnine :P

M

[Johan]

And then what ??????? You put the bodykit on your bike ?????





:D :D :D

[Keyshawn]

newbie:p

[ringthree]

Originally posted by GTS2S2K
Ok Guy and Gals would you trade your GTS for a TRD Celica if you had the chance?

Give me pro's and con's?

Thanks

The only real TRD Celica is the TRD M spec. Only made in Japan. Cant get it here. If the dealer is telling you that there is a TRD Celica they are just lying.

[larryd]

well in 00 there was a TRD edition Celica.. only diff was the bodykit and springs.. and about 8,000.00 :).. they actually have little production # things on them.. think there was only 100 or 1000 cant recall which..

[GTS808]

Yes there was a TRD Celica. If you read the Nov 2000 Car and Driver. The one with the Rod Millen Celica on the cover they did a review of the TRD Celica. Price as tested was $28,552. 192hp @7600 and 133lb-ft@6800. It had the Sportivo suspension kit, the TRD rear strut brace, T2 wheels with P215/40ZR-17 Toyo Proxies T1-S, TRD extened exhaust, TRD air filter, and the TRD front lip, headlights, sides and spoiler. You could order them like how you could order the TRD Solara. It was just an option package. I think the Limited one that Larry is alking about is the Long Beach Grand Prix edition or something like that. I think someone on the Boards owns one.

[zMaN]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
newbie:p


Who is the newbie now? :)

[Keyshawn]

zMan,
Uhhh....the "TRD Celica" is just a regular Celica with a body kit, exhaust, and a few other bolt-on goodies, just like CelicaDetective said. So to trade in your GT-S for one with a few bolt-on mods is silly as hell. Something someone who didn't know their $hit (i.e. a newbie) would do.

[zMaN]

When you said "Newbie" you were refering to the fact that that the people who had posted above you had said there was no TRD celica.

Also it said that the TRD celica had 192 hp and 133 lb-ft of torque, also it had 17 inch wheels and a bunch of other stuff. As far as I can see this would make it a much better car than a stock GTS. So why would it be stupid to trade for a faster car? ANswer me this newbie

Read GTS808's post
Originally posted by GTS808
Yes there was a TRD Celica. If you read the Nov 2000 Car and Driver. The one with the Rod Millen Celica on the cover they did a review of the TRD Celica. Price as tested was $28,552. 192hp @7600 and 133lb-ft@6800. I had the Sportivo suspension kit, the TRD rear strut brace, T2 wheels with P215/40ZR-17 Toyo Proxies T1-S, TRD extened exhaust, TRD air filter, and the TRD front lip, headlights, sides and spoiler. You could order them like how you could order the TRD Solara. It was just an option package. I think the Limited one that Larry is alking about is the Long Beach Grand Prix edition or something like that. I think someone on the Boards owns one.


So, again I ask you. WHo is the newbie now?

[LaW]

wow now the newbie is telling you keyshawn that he know's what you were referring to!! haha

I will quote keyshawn on this one... Newbie :) :)

[zMaN]

Are you calling me a newbie or keyshawn?

If you read the all posts it is pretty obvious what he was talking about. If you read his first response to me it makes it even more clear that he still though there was no such thing as a "TRD Celica" other than adding on aftermarket parts. I know the "TRD Celica" is just aftermarket parts but it was sold as a dealer option and it is a much faster car than a stock one. So how could the original poster of this thread be a newbie as keyshawn claimed? If Keyshawn is unwilling to trade a GTS for a better, faster car I think that makes him the newbie. Am I the only one who read this entire thread? :) j/k on that last part so don't flame me for that one.

[Loves2Rev]

Man calm down.....

it is very apparent that you are a newbie.

why would you trade in your car for the exact same car with some bolt ons that you could add yourself for half the price difference?

that is what everyone is saying. lets say the "TRD celica" is about 28k, if you trade in your car maybe you get 16-17k for it and pay an extra 10k for maybe 3-4k worth of parts and labor.

[zMaN]

1st: I am not referring to trading that way. I mean a staight up trade, car for car. That is what the original poster asked. He didn't ask, "who would TRADE IN their celica for a TRD one?", he asked, "Who would TRADE thier celica for a TRD celica?" There is a difference. If someone offered to trade me a "TRD Celica" for my GTS I would do it. I would not trade in my car to a dealer for a "TRD Celica"

2nd: Of course it would be foolish to pay so much more for a few bolt on parts you could put on cheaper yourself but that was not the original question.

3rd: I am sorry if I came off as mad or angry. I am neither. My first post on this thread ended with a :). That means I meant it as a joke but Keyshawn responded in a negative way so I simply defended myself. I am sorry if he took offence at my joke because that is all it was, a joke.

In the future READ the original post. I have said this already but I want to make it clear. The original Post says nothing about trading in your celica. It only says trade. Trade means car for car no money involved.

[Keyshawn]

zMan,
It's cool if you disagree with my opinions and have a different point of view. More power to you. But don't think you can read my mind when my admittedly ambiguous post consists of one word ("newbie"). How do you know what my exact meaning was from that one word? Guess what: you don't. That's why I explained what I was referring to in my next post in clear, straightforward terms.

Hell, you're even assuming what the original guy that started the thread really meant in that first post. Let him clarify what he really meant if he wants to. Stop thinking you know exactly what everyone is thinking before they've made it clear. It makes you look silly;)

By the way, for those peeps who have that issue of Car and Driver with the "TRD Celica", if ya read the article closely you'll notice that , with all its bolt-on goodies and hefty price, it actually performs worse than a stock GT-S in some crucial categories.

Check out:
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/columns/2000/November/200011_columns_winfield_toyotathunder.xml?&keywords=celica&page=5

http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/columns/2000/November/200011_columns_winfield_toyotathunder.xml?&keywords=celica&page=6

[Keyshawn]

Here are some excerpts from Car and Driver's article about the "TRD Celica":

"Add up everything except the tires on the car, and that's $6752 beyond the 2001 GT-S's $21,800 purchase price."

"Despite bigger tires and thicker bars, the TRD Celica only matched our last GT-S's 0.86-g skidpad orbit."

"But although the exhaust and the intake change the sound of the Celica, there's nothing to indicate that they make it quicker. The TRD car's 7.5-second 0-to-60-mph clocking is 0.3 second slower than the last stock machine we tested, and the TRD's quarter-mile time of 15.7 seconds at 92 mph is 2 mph slower. There's no reason TRD's changes should have made the car much faster, but they shouldn't have slowed it down. We can only guess at the reasons for this small disparity."

zMan,
Yeah, I'm just a newbie that doesn't know $hit about the Celica. Please. Next time you want to debate me, you better bring your A-game. Or else you'll get clowned again, just like you did on this thread.:) (See, this happy face means I'm joking. Hehe.)

[LaW]

hey zman, I was calling you a noob :) just to clerify things...i thought I was obvious but I guess you couldn't read my thoughts on that one

[GTS808]

Yeah I read that article to but I have some possible theories.

Originally posted by Keyshawn
"Add up everything except the tires on the car, and that's $6752 beyond the 2001 GT-S's $21,800 purchase price."

Well this doesn't look as bad as it seems. Yeah it adds over 6k to the price but you are not paying for labor to instal the products. If you live in an area where aftermarket parts are hard to comeby or cost more than the rest of the country because of shipping cost, ie. hawaii.

"Despite bigger tires and thicker bars, the TRD Celica only matched our last GT-S's 0.86-g skidpad orbit."

well 10mm bigger isn't that much bigger. considering they estimate the curb weight to be 2600lbs not 2500lbs like a stock GTS that extra 10mms in width may just bring the numbers back to stock.

"But although the exhaust and the intake change the sound of the Celica, there's nothing to indicate that they make it quicker. The TRD car's 7.5-second 0-to-60-mph clocking is 0.3 second slower than the last stock machine we tested, and the TRD's quarter-mile time of 15.7 seconds at 92 mph is 2 mph slower. There's no reason TRD's changes should have made the car much faster, but they shouldn't have slowed it down. We can only guess at the reasons for this small disparity."

Again the lower performance numbers due to the weight of the car. Notice how the hp numbers went up 14 but the torque stayed the same. Well al know not that the TRD exhaust doesn't do that much for perfromance and the TRD A/F well it sounds nice. :)They aslo did the tests with the optional wheels. How much heavier are they from the stock wheels? More weight+same torque as stock= slower times. Test conditions also make a big diffrence to. On hot days we all know how much power gets sapped from our Celicas.


Not debating you there keyshawn, just stating my opinion on why it may have performed poorly with the upgrades. :)

[TRD-GT]

zMaN:
noobe.....:p :D ;)

keyshawn=god:shocked :eek: :rolleyes: :cool: :D

[zMaN]

It is amazing how so much hate can come from a simple joke. And quite frankly I don't put much stock in magazine test results. I have read 2-3 different magazines and each one quotes different 0-60 times. You can't have a fair comparison of times unless you have both cars(GTS and TRD) tested on the same day by the same driver. Otherwise times are meaningless. Any of you who put 17" and up wheels on their cars are going to get less performance than if they had stock wheels. I am sure that the TRD would be faster than a Stock GTS with 17" wheels or more.

So , again I say that I would make the trade, car for car. My car is stock by the way. If my car was modded I would not make the trade, that would be stupid. And let me also say that a car that is numbered i.e. #99 of 1000 is worth more. Maybe not to you or me but there is always some fool out there willing to pay more for a car with a number.

So how am I a newbie? You may not agree with me but that is your opinion. Get on with your life and let it go. That is what I intend to do. Remember, IT WAS A JOKE!!!. That is why there was a :) after it. I did nothing different than what you did to the original poster. Laugh. Smile. Chuckle. Don't get angry and defensive like a woman.

[zMaN]

If you know anything about the english language you will realize that there is a difference between "Trade" and "Trade in". the original poster said "Trade". I was not the one who made an assumption on this one. Everyone assumed he meant "Trade in" when he never said that. How is it an assumption when I am simply reading the english language where each word has meaning? I will admit that my original post was an assumption but as I have already stated it was a JOKE!!!. I assumed what you meant and I made a JOKE!!! If you need me to I can add that words definition to the end of this post I can do that. A :) where I come from is supposed to convey that it is a harmless JOKE not intended to make you cry or feel bad as it seems to have done in this case. I am sorry if the :) made you cry.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by Keyshawn
[B]zMan,

Hell, you're even assuming what the original guy that started the thread really meant in that first post. Let him clarify what he really meant if he wants to. Stop thinking you know exactly what everyone is thinking before they've made it clear. It makes you look silly;)

[zMaN]

Look at the thread "What the Hell have I started...." by the guy who started this post. He clarifies himself there.

[zMaN]

Oh, and by the way. What were you trying to say in your original post when you said simply, "Newbie"? You never said what you meant. Was I really that far off?

[LaW]

only a noob would post 4 times in a row when he could have posted that all in one response....geez.... just because he didn't say trade in doesn't mean that he didn't mean it. Regardless of what was meant by it you can't say that he couldn't have meant trade in....it's up for interpretation... yours noob is not really going to be the correct one.... <insert flame here>

[zMaN]

YOu know I swear I was just reading the other day how all the people in the RSX forums were asses. I think people need to take a look a little closer to home. I thought this was supposed to be a place for FRIENDLY discussing of our favorite car. Instead it is a Cock fighting pit where everyone tries to prove their superiority over one another and new people are ground into the dirt.

I may not know as much about the celica as some, many, most, or even all of you but why should you feel the need to put people down who share a love for the same car. I am sure there are other things beside the Celica that we both love and that I know a lot more about than you do. Does that mean that you love that thing any less? or that I should put you down simply because you don't know as much? Everyone needs to learn somehow. Personally I come to this forum to learn more about my car. I learn something new every day from this place. I don't claim to know more than anyone on this forum but I am certainly not some newbie either. If it is your sworn duty to make yourself feel better about yourself by putting others down on the internet, than be my guest, but I feel sorry for you. This Forum could be so much more informative and useful to everyone if people didn't have to worry about being flamed every time they post something. I am sure that there are many questions that people don't ask for fear of flamage that would allow the flamer to learn something they didn't know. Many people who have answered my posts in the past have been very friendly and helpful but some people on this forum need to take a good look in the mirror and ask themselves why they come to this forum. Do they come to discuss a car we all love or do they come to pick fights? This thread has been something of a snowball rolling down a hill for me. The snowball just keeps getting bigger the farther down the hill it gets. I have learned something from this. People can't take jokes so I won't make any more.


P.S. Law, I like to split my posts up so as to emphasize different topics. Since you have flamed me for something that simple I have posted this in one long post. I hope this makes you happy.

[LaW]

:) thank you sir hehe this is fun...i love how people get so mad over things on the internet...haha

it's the ****ing internet for god sake...I come here when i have nothing to do ?? is that so bad?? :) hehe It's my comic relief

[TeeAreDeaGeeTeeEss]

I have one. Well the special edition Toyota Grand Prix of Long beach.

This is what it comes with:

TRD mechanical bodykit
17 inch Axis se7en rims and Pirelli super sport tires
TRD Exhaust
TRD Air Filter (okay I put that one in as a negotiation ;)
TRD Springs (eibach)

Here are the performance mods that came with the car:
Two "Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach" stickers on both sides of the car and Two more RED TRD stickers.
And one "TRD Toyota Racing Developement TRD" sticker on the front windshield.
A Silver plate on the center opening console that says "Toyota Grand Prix Of Long Beach 2000 TRD Special Edition Celica 1 of 40"
:p

Price out the door I paid for: $28,400, asking price 33,000.00-38,000.00 depending on the gay dealers.
Price out the door for stock GTS: $25,670.00 (during the first months of the celica release in 2000.)

Pros:
Was one of the first one's with a "different" Celica on the road.
I didn't have a half assed car with stock rims and an unpainted body kit, with cut springs.
I didn't have to wait for installation or parts to come.
I saved money on labor and parts, because I would have pretty much done the same thing anyways except for the stickers.
This will probably be argued, but it IS faster then a stock one. I really don't have any claims or numbers to back that up except for me always winning stock GTS's.
The best thing.....ITS ALL UNDER WARRANTY from the dealer and from the insurance company (no add on fees for the extra parts).

Cons:
(not really a con, because I still can do it) I didn't get to pick out the parts.
It costs more then a stock one.
Now everyone and their mama has an "action package"
:mad: :mad: thats why I got a new front bumper.

Am I happy with the car? yes and no.
Would I buy a stock GTS if I had to do it over? no.
Would I recommend trading a stock one for a special edtion one? it depends. Yes if I had to only pay 3,000 more. Anything over that I wouldnt.

[Keyshawn]

Law,
Yeah, I find zMan entertaining also. His strange fascination with happy faces is funny to me. zMan, since you're so big on happy faces, don't you notice that all of my posts on this thread have 'em? In case you can't read our minds, we're having fun with you, man. Chill out.;)

[LaW]

hehe yup :)

[zMaN]

Happy faces make the world go round :) Didn't you guys know that? j/k. No hard feelings guys. I think we can chalk this one up to one BIG mis-understanding. I don't like backing down once I get started. But I was right :) j/k again.

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

TeeAreDeaGeeTeeEss .. wow watsup with ur dealer? 25k? for gts.. i got mine for 23 wit taxes full loaded.. also wen the celica was first released in 2000.. but considering u got urs for 28.. 3k more than the advertised stock at ur dealer (dont know why it so much) i gues it not bad since it came wit all that stuff.. but yes ive seen some priced for more than 30k.. ouch ..

close to 30k for this so called TRD gts eh.. i dont know.. not taking any sides..
but i also believe there is no trd gts.. dealer just saying stuff to sell the car.. throw in some trd parts that we can all get for cheaper if purchased seperately.. and mark it up.. heh..

and i dontknow how this so called trd gts could be faster than stock.. with the bigger rims and the added weight on the kit. that air filter really doesnt do much.. and the exhaust aint much without cai.. and from beating a lot of other gts with just exhaust.. i know that trd one can not be faster than stock.. but this is just my opinion and experiences..

[TeeAreDeaGeeTeeEss]

yeah well its not trd celica, its a special edition celica. One of them actually was the pace car at the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach. Had an old lady and her hubby in a caddy ask me on the freeway if it was the one, i just nodded, hehe. Dealer said mine was the one at the grand prix, I highly doubt that tho. Dealers suck ass around here. Some other dealer wanted 26,000.00 no tax, license fees etc for stock one.

As far it being faster then stock ones, I haven't lost to any stock GTS's yet, a win is win even by a bumper.

This is not directed towards you but a lot of people think the kit his heavy, I doubt it would even make a tenth of second difference in a 1/4 with it on or off. For all the anal people im getting this info from my ass. And plus the stickers make up for the wheels being bigger. :p