Lemon Law :)

[redcel180]

Ok, my attorney said that under Lemon Law in GA Toyota (since my car has been out of order for like two months and they want $10,000 to repair it) I can sue Toyota for my loan amount or Toyota can replace my car. I'll take the first one please. Then kick back and wait in the RSX Type-R to get to the states (please, don't flame) :D


Brett

[chameleon]

What happend to your Celica that required $10,000 in repaires? Was it a miss shift? If you miss shifted your car and are now sueing Toyota under the Lemon Law, you are stupid and are deserving of flames. If you don't like the amount of time that the dealership is taking to fix your car you should take it to a different automotive repair shop. Please tell me that this is not all from a miss shift....

[oldster]

Can hardly wait to see how this one goes..............:eek:

[WillyK]

Originally posted by oldster
Can hardly wait to see how this one goes..............:eek:

Yup it should be interesting.

[LaW]

even replacing the engine shouldn't take that long, my celi was out for only 2.5 weeks...a 2 month wait is ridiculous

[nyoneway]

This guy is a arse and a half. Its the 3rd time he misshift!!!!

First 2 times Toyota paid for it. I would hate to have a customer like him.

Best example:
Like you sell someone a computer with OS and software installed. They don't know how to use it and deleted everything or managed to mess everything up. Comes back to you and demand that you fix a "defective" product.

If you can't drive a manual, moron, go buy a Auto.

And Acura RSX don't get covered for misshifts. You want a Type R, lol. Newbie.

[redcel180]

Yeah, ok I flamed everyone too until I blew my first motor. Its cool....Its been in my garage for two months though, not the shop. I will not pay $10,000 for a new motor. Hey if you can't say anything nice....

Brett

[chameleon]

All I can say is good luck with your attorney. I think that he will have quite a challenge proving in court that you blowing your engine from a miss shift should some how be covered under your states Lemon Law.

[redcel180]

well if he doesn't win then he doesn't get paid :D

Brett

[oldster]

Originally posted by redcel180
well if he doesn't win then he doesn't get paid :D

Brett

If he's dumb enough to take the case then he doesn't deserve to be paid anyway. :rolleyes:

[dawgg]

Is this really your 3rd blown engine? If that's the case, then I'm on Toyota's side. U really shouldn't be driving a manual if u've blown that many engines... I'm sure they updated the transmission so it was harder to misshift it after after the 1st and 2nd misshifts too. I think Toyota is being good to their customers by covering the bill for the first 1 or 2 misshifts. Acura won't cover even the first one. U realize Toyota is already losing money on selling u that car? (after all those new engines)... and now u want them to cover the rest of your loan.

I don't think they lemon law will hold up. That's like saying u drove your car off a cliff and and then claimed the lemon law cuz it was in the shop being repaired for a long time..... well it was your fault.

Maybe they could convert the car to auto, but leave the manual shifter there, but just disconnect it. Therefore, no more blown engines and u can pretend to shift. :D j/k

[redcel180]

I would agree...but I drove that damn car to hell and back for year and a half. Its not like I just hopped in it after three months and boom! The weird thing is that I blew my motor the first time b/c of the short shifter (Toyota will nevr know, hehe) and the next two motors went three months after that. I just don't see how I can drive a car like that for a year and a half and then go through three motors in four months time. That is all I am trying to say. If they had replaced the whole motor and the whole transmission with the new '02 shift linkage then everything would have been straight. They just decide to shave my head twice and replace short blocks and pressure plates. They should have replaced the whole damn thing to start with and I think that would have made a difference.

Brett

[Loves2Rev]

Hey Bro, 3 times misshifting is a bit much. I understand your situation tho, I wouldn't wanna fork out 10k either.

Hope everything works out.

[cam_n_scott]

The weird thing is that I blew my motor the first time b/c of the short shifter

Not flaming, just explain how the short shifter caused your engine to blow....

[yota_racer]

Originally posted by cam_n_scott


Not flaming, just explain how the short shifter caused your engine to blow....

It makes it easier to misshift. That's all.

[ZIGGY GTS]

Originally posted by redcel180
I would agree...but I drove that damn car to hell and back for year and a half. Its not like I just hopped in it after three months and boom! The weird thing is that I blew my motor the first time b/c of the short shifter (Toyota will nevr know, hehe) and the next two motors went three months after that. I just don't see how I can drive a car like that for a year and a half and then go through three motors in four months time. That is all I am trying to say. If they had replaced the whole motor and the whole transmission with the new '02 shift linkage then everything would have been straight. They just decide to shave my head twice and replace short blocks and pressure plates. They should have replaced the whole damn thing to start with and I think that would have made a difference.

Brett

jeez, u blew ur motor 3 times because of misshifting? damn, U are a loser!" they should have replaced the whole damn thing to start with and i think that would have made a difference"???damn, u are a moron....New motor or rebuilt motor, it will still blow if u misshift it and make it rev past 9500...It sounds like u dont know jack $hit about cars or how to drive them. I admit, i had my problems with my GTS, and it was bought back as a lemon...but the car had problems, and i didnt misshift it 3 times... Do youself a favor and buy an automatic...U must dreaming if u think toyota is going to pay off your loan for you...Just admit to yourself that u cant drive for $hit and take it like a MAN...

(i'm really sorry, i'm not usually like this but this the most ridiculous post i've ever seen)

[Keyshawn]

If you blew your engine three times from misshifting, then I feel sorry for that RSX-R that you're planning on getting. It's gonna be toast soon. j/k;)

[nxracer]

I wonder which hand he jerks off with.

[ZIGGY GTS]

Originally posted by nxracer
I wonder which hand he jerks off with.


Okay, that was very funny!!!!!

[AznThugg2002]

dooood! ur a big dummy! toyota doesnt even haveta replace da engine da first time becuase it was ur stupid azz who fu*ked up and not da manufacture. man i hope u lose just cuz ur stupid. also even if the lawyer loses the court case, he still gets paid.

[larryd]

just an fyi man.. i take no sides in this but alot of peeps read this forum.. like toyota reps, lawyers, insurance companies.. etc etc.. so u might wanna watch what u say on here..

[Bling]

If they fixed it under warranty the first two times then they have to fix it the third time.

[oldster]

Originally posted by Bling
If they fixed it under warranty the first two times then they have to fix it the third time.

Why?

[larryd]

because they cant justify fixing something once as warranty and the same thing happens again and they say not this time.. cuz when it comes to law there is no such thing as doing something in good faith which is basically what they say ther doing fixing it the first time and definitely the 2nd time..

[ZIGGY GTS]

Originally posted by Bling
If they fixed it under warranty the first two times then they have to fix it the third time.


U sound as misguided as the fruitcake that started this stupid post....Damn, so what ur saying is that because he phucked up his engine twice because he cant drive, Toyota should take it up the arse and give this loser another motor so he can blow it again??? Hell, no...I seriously doubt he will win his so called case because he is obviously a negligent driver...I cant even belive Toyota did it 2 times...Screw it, just like here in california, " 3 strikes and your out"..Toyota should'nt do jack $HIT! I really hope someone from toyota reads this post.....hehehe..hey, if he gets an RSX, so he says...Maybe he will blow his engine again and he will have two brand new cars in his garage with blown motors!!!

[larryd]

no im not saying thats what should happen.. Im just saying if Toyota fixes problem A under warranty then if problem A occurs again then warranty shoudl still cover it.. legally.. not morally.. unless problem A is a different problem nothing has changed since last time it was covered..

[ZIGGY GTS]

Originally posted by larryd
no im not saying thats what should happen.. Im just saying if Toyota fixes problem A under warranty then if problem A occurs again then warranty shoudl still cover it.. legally.. not morally.. unless problem A is a different problem nothing has changed since last time it was covered..

Okay, i understand what u are saying..=) My pissed off post...hehehe wasnt directed at you...But remember, a warranty covers "defects in workmanship", not defects in the idiot who is driving....And yes, i belive Toyota is good for covering blown engines under good faith, but damn 3 toasted motors in one year!!

[larryd]

i agree 100%.. i think they should do it first time out of niceness.. 2nd time.. maybe but 3rd time.. right.. take responsability for your actions.. but legally they cant really get away with doing it 2x and not the 3rd that im aware of ..

[Kit99bar]

redcel: how do you hold the shifter when you shift from 3rd to 4th? pistol grip?

[AznThugg2002]

but da engine isnt covered under warranty is it? i mean da first time they fixed it out of niceness and da warrany does say defect in workmanship, not give u a new engine if u keep messing it up? so couldnt they just prove that u misshifted and blew out da engine so now they have no responsibility? just wondering...

[Johan]

I tried to figure this one out...........................

Misshifting is not covered under warranty because the warranty is against problems or defects "a normal functioning engine" should not have. Misshifting is due to the handling of the driver and not due to a problem or situation of the engine.

If you hit another car are you also going to Toyota and tell them to fix the car under warranty ?

The point that Larry has, is that they should have told him the first time that the matter is not covered under warranty but that they were willing to help him out of niceness. That way they can say the next time that once is enough.

The problem will be, if they have a good attorney, that they will say in court that they told that to him twice and then it will be his word against toyota.
I really don't see a way to win this case......................


:(

[AznThugg2002]

i used to be real interested in law and it seems like toyota will more then likely win this case. im sorry dawg but thats what it looks like to me.

[oldster]

Originally posted by larryd
no im not saying thats what should happen.. Im just saying if Toyota fixes problem A under warranty then if problem A occurs again then warranty shoudl still cover it.. legally.. not morally.. unless problem A is a different problem nothing has changed since last time it was covered..

I understand what you are saying, but, IF Toyota could show through action backed up by internal documentation that they are replacing parts for the sake of customer relations and not defective manufacturing they could make a strong case against this claim. Guess I would be very suprised if this type of eventuality was not recognized and planned for by Toyota.

Lemon laws differ to some degree from state to state I believe. Using the time the car has been parked in his own garage as milestone in the lemon law seems to be ludicrous at best since it was under his and not the manufacturers control. I'm certainly no lawyer but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[redcel180]

Ziggy I swear to god you are the biggest a$$hole on this board. If I had wanted to be flamed I would have asked. You know, its cool though....oh about the Type-R, first motor is free, then sell the b*tch. That is what I should have done the first time when I blew my motor. If I hadn't blown my motor that night I would be dead, me and my friend (which I am going to take Larry's advice and keep my mouth shut about that night). My integra is a 5 speed, how come I haven't blown that up??????

[oldster]

Originally posted by redcel180
If I hadn't blown my motor that night I would be dead, me and my friend (which I am going to take Larry's advice and keep my mouth shut about that night).

I just gotta hear this story. You destroyed your motor to save two lives??:eek:

[redcel180]

long story lets just say everything happens for a reason.

[nxracer]

Believe it of not (you won't) a six speed has much narrower gates than a five speed. This is causing mis-shifts in the following cars
Acura RSX-TypeS (Honda will NOT fix it for free)
Audi S4
Toyota Celica GTS
Just about any other six speed.

[oldster]

Originally posted by redcel180
long story lets just say everything happens for a reason.

Ummm....okay ;)

[ZIGGY GTS]

Originally posted by redcel180
Ziggy I swear to god you are the biggest a$$hole on this board. If I had wanted to be flamed I would have asked. You know, its cool though....oh about the Type-R, first motor is free, then sell the b*tch. That is what I should have done the first time when I blew my motor. If I hadn't blown my motor that night I would be dead, me and my friend (which I am going to take Larry's advice and keep my mouth shut about that night). My integra is a 5 speed, how come I haven't blown that up??????

Sorry if u think im an @sshole but i'm just being honest...If u didnt want to get flamed, u should not have talked about your 3 blown engines, and with the attitude Like" phuck it, i i screwed up but let someone else pay for my mistake"....U sound very immature, not a true enthusiast? And about ur integra? we werent talking about ur integra, we ware talking about how u cant drive a celica...." if i didnt blow the motor that night i would be dead" yeah riight...

[redcel180]

Well, I read above how everyone is like "Dude, you need to get an automatic..." blah blah blah...

What I am trying to say is there is nothing I can do but say f*ck it and I only really have three options 1. Keep paying on a car that I can't drive (can't afford to pay for two cars) so that won't work.
2. Get it repoed (my dad is going to kick my ass)
3. B*tch at Toyota until they help me out.

#3 sounds like the best way to go. I haven't paid on the Celica in like two months so if another month goes by then my dad's credit (he has/had perfect credit) goes to sh*t. :sad

I am just trying to get some advice...sorry for calling you an a$$hole but it pisses me off when I am just trying to get some help...later

Brett

P.S. I feel sorry for the Type-R too but only after I feel sorry for the guy in the white GTS (TRDCelica00) that I just spanked :D

[nyoneway]

#4. Paid to fixed the car YOU messed up! Instead of pushing the blame on Toyota and trying to make them pay for it!

This is the problem with America nowdays. No one accepts responsibility and everyone is pointing fingers and lawsuits.

And because of your failure to take responsibility, your dad and his credit is going to suffer. Getting a car repoed on your credit history is no small deal. Its almost as bad as bankruptcy. You messed up 3 times and you let Toyota and your dad take responsiblity.

[ZIGGY GTS]

Originally posted by nyoneway
#4. Paid to fixed the car YOU messed up! Instead of pushing the blame on Toyota and trying to make them pay for it!

This is the problem with America nowdays. No one accepts responsibility and everyone is pointing fingers and lawsuits.

And because of your failure to take responsibility, your dad and his credit is going to suffer. Getting a car repoed on your credit history is no small deal. Its almost as bad as bankruptcy. You messed up 3 times and you let Toyota and your dad take responsiblity.

good point....

[yota_racer]

I just want to know how the hell you can misshift 3 times. That is unbelievable.

[daSchtick]

Originally posted by redcel180
The weird thing is that I blew my motor the first time b/c of the short shifter (Toyota will nevr know, hehe)...

Did I ever mention that I work for Toyota?

Oops, I mean I work to PAY for my Toyota, sorry! I didn't mean to make you fill your drawers. :D

[daSchtick]

Originally posted by redcel180
If I hadn't blown my motor that night I would be dead, me and my friend

Mis-shifting prevents death? WOW! Where does it say that in the manual? I really need to read that more thoroughly. Maybe it's on the decal on the sun-visor. Come to think of it, I think I read it in small print on the bottom of a "Looks fast" ad.

Safety features:

Dual airbags
Anti-lock brakes
Safety cage construction
Child seat teathers
Mis-shifting prevents death

[nyoneway]

In this case, it may have save his life. It kept a moron off the road.

[ringthree]

Originally posted by oldster


I understand what you are saying, but, IF Toyota could show through action backed up by internal documentation that they are replacing parts for the sake of customer relations and not defective manufacturing they could make a strong case against this claim. Guess I would be very suprised if this type of eventuality was not recognized and planned for by Toyota.

Lemon laws differ to some degree from state to state I believe. Using the time the car has been parked in his own garage as milestone in the lemon law seems to be ludicrous at best since it was under his and not the manufacturers control. I'm certainly no lawyer but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Oldster is absolutely right, I bet that they never covered it under warrenty. Anything like that would be courtesy work.

[redcel180]

Originally posted by nyoneway
#4. Paid to fixed the car YOU messed up! Instead of pushing the blame on Toyota and trying to make them pay for it!

This is the problem with America nowdays. No one accepts responsibility and everyone is pointing fingers and lawsuits.

And because of your failure to take responsibility, your dad and his credit is going to suffer. Getting a car repoed on your credit history is no small deal. Its almost as bad as bankruptcy. You messed up 3 times and you let Toyota and your dad take responsiblity.


http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/iamwithstupid.gif

Ok and I have money trees growing in my back yard. I water them everyday to keep producing bs.

[redcel180]

Originally posted by nyoneway
#4. Paid to fixed the car YOU messed up! Instead of pushing the blame on Toyota and trying to make them pay for it!

This is the problem with America nowdays. No one accepts responsibility and everyone is pointing fingers and lawsuits.

And because of your failure to take responsibility, your dad and his credit is going to suffer. Getting a car repoed on your credit history is no small deal. Its almost as bad as bankruptcy. You messed up 3 times and you let Toyota and your dad take responsiblity.


http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/iamwithstupid.gif

OK right I have money trees growing in my back yard. Let me go pick $10,000 off of it really quick.

[nyoneway]

"OK right I have money trees growing in my back yard. Let me go pick $10,000 off of it really quick."

That's your fu*c*king problem. Get another job.

I don't care if you don't have a car to drive. You fuc*ked it up yourself. Don't push the blame to Toyota and make them pay for it.

Its like crashing your car and having no money to pay for the damages, so you blame Toyota for "mechanical" defect.

You sorry arse punk!