turbocharging the Pontiac Vibe with the 1zz

[faultline]

First of all I would like to thank all of you celica guys for all the FI stuff i have endeavered to glean from all the dialogue on this board. Since I have the same motor as the GT, I thought it could be useful to let you know what I plan to do , and let you know how it turns out after it is done.

I met with my turbo guy to look at my car, in which he looked around , took off the plastic cover for the fuel rail, and told me what he would do for $3100.00:

custom exhaust manifold\ down pipe
t-3 with adjustable external wastegate
front mounted intercooler
BOV
and now the tricky part..... we are using the stock air box w/k&N filter-sucking thru the stock MAS, the BOV will recirculate to not screw this up. Hes buliding a return fuel line!!! so we are using a vortech FMU (fuel management unit) and a higher pressure FPR (Fuel pressure regulator) with stock fuel pump and injectors. He said that the new FPR allows mor fuel delivery from stock than a Piggyback or stand alone could tell it to-some how-.

we are planing 6psi of boost this way. I noticed that the PE kit for spyders only mod besides turbo , was a new FPR. Those guys are posting that they didnt need GT_S injectors till after 8psi, but then they are not intercooled either. I may need them after all , we will see. I am planning no timing retard during boost, duriing the tuniing stage ,he will put on his bank of guages to monitor things while driving, He will add injectors and a timing retard unit if needed at extra cost $400 + $280 .
Please feel free critisize , or offer anything of use..
special thanks on this board to: simon the UK guy, David Draper, Mike2cool teamunison guy, Jersay Jay , and Andrew MVA as well a some others that i cant recall of the top of my head.
Happy 1zz ing

[Jersey Jay]

Originally posted by faultline
First of all I would like to thank all of you celica guys for all the FI stuff i have endeavered to glean from all the dialogue on this board. Since I have the same motor as the GT, I thought it could be useful to let you know what I plan to do , and let you know how it turns out after it is done.

I met with my turbo guy to look at my car, in which he looked around , took off the plastic cover for the fuel rail, and told me what he would do for $3100.00:

custom exhaust manifold\ down pipe
t-3 with adjustable external wastegate
front mounted intercooler
BOV
and now the tricky part..... we are using the stock air box w/k&N filter-sucking thru the stock MAS, the BOV will recirculate to not screw this up. Hes buliding a return fuel line!!! so we are using a vortech FMU (fuel management unit) and a higher pressure FPR (Fuel pressure regulator) with stock fuel pump and injectors. He said that the new FPR allows mor fuel delivery from stock than a Piggyback or stand alone could tell it to-some how-.

we are planing 6psi of boost this way. I noticed that the PE kit for spyders only mod besides turbo , was a new FPR. Those guys are posting that they didnt need GT_S injectors till after 8psi, but then they are not intercooled either. I may need them after all , we will see. I am planning no timing retard during boost, duriing the tuniing stage ,he will put on his bank of guages to monitor things while driving, He will add injectors and a timing retard unit if needed at extra cost $400 + $280 .
Please feel free critisize , or offer anything of use..
special thanks on this board to: simon the UK guy, David Draper, Mike2cool teamunison guy, Jersay Jay , and Andrew MVA as well a some others that i cant recall of the top of my head.
Happy 1zz ing :AF: $3100.00 I'd be real carefull and check out this guy. I would suggest that you talk to Dave Draper about the injectors. I would also look into the eng. mgmt. system that you are using. If you do use this guy make sure that he doesn't make you a steel manifold but one out of stainless steel. I had a T3 turbo you'll find that you'll spool up real fast and around 6000 RPM'S your done. Look into a T3/4 Hybrid a much better choice. $3,100.00 just sounds too good to be true:nono:

[CelicaLicious]

yeah 3100 for a custom turbo setup and return fuel line conversion, is just sweet. tell him you want it in writting.. other than that it sounds good..

[faultline]

well , as far as checking this guy out, he was refered to me by a racing out fit that deals haltech stand alone units , but said that this guy does pretty good with FPR's and FMU's to get desired air fuel ratios, with out stand alone's or piggy backs. Also , at one point I was going to go with a muffler guy for all the plumbbing, then go to Split second for their FTC-1 unit, then the muffler guy referred me back to the guy I am going with.
I did not ask about steel or stainless steel , AT 6psi , will this be an issue? and as far as the return fuel line.. ther is a trick here, and a patton pending that i cannot say more about.

[CelicaLicious]

Originally posted by faultline
well , as far as checking this guy out, he was refered to me by a racing out fit that deals haltech stand alone units , but said that this guy does pretty good with FPR's and FMU's to get desired air fuel ratios, with out stand alone's or piggy backs. Also , at one point I was going to go with a muffler guy for all the plumbbing, then go to Split second for their FTC-1 unit, then the muffler guy referred me back to the guy I am going with.
I did not ask about steel or stainless steel , AT 6psi , will this be an issue? and as far as the return fuel line.. ther is a trick here, and a patton pending that i cannot say more about.

not neccessarily an issue of how much boost, but an issue of quality and durability. member, the exhaust manifold gets HOT, especially one with a turbo attached to it.

[cool2miketlu]

Originally posted by faultline
I met with my turbo guy to look at my car, in which he looked around , took off the plastic cover for the fuel rail, and told me what he would do for $3100.00:

custom exhaust manifold\ down pipe
t-3 with adjustable external wastegate
front mounted intercooler
BOV
and now the tricky part..... we are using the stock air box w/k&N filter-sucking thru the stock MAS, the BOV will recirculate to not screw this up. Hes buliding a return fuel line!!! so we are using a vortech FMU (fuel management unit) and a higher pressure FPR (Fuel pressure regulator) with stock fuel pump and injectors. He said that the new FPR allows mor fuel delivery from stock than a Piggyback or stand alone could tell it to-some how-.


I am not sure about how good vortech FMU, but I am sure it will not be sufficient to handle a 6psi boost. The stock MAF sensor goes crazy after 5 psi I believe. Either you keep stock MAF and set wastgate at 5psi or gotta get a stand alone or a good piggy back management system.

Originally posted by faultline
we are planing 6psi of boost this way. I noticed that the PE kit for spyders only mod besides turbo , was a new FPR. Those guys are posting that they didnt need GT_S injectors till after 8psi, but then they are not intercooled either. I may need them after all , we will see. I am planning no timing retard during boost, duriing the tuniing stage ,he will put on his bank of guages to monitor things while driving, He will add injectors and a timing retard unit if needed at extra cost $400 + $280 .
Please feel free critisize , or offer anything of use..
special thanks on this board to: simon the UK guy, David Draper, Mike2cool teamunison guy, Jersay Jay , and Andrew MVA as well a some others that i cant recall of the top of my head.
Happy 1zz ing
I am sure the turbo guy will find out more stuff to do after the stuff is installed, plan on spending about $1G more after the basic kit. But $3100 for a basic kit include some basic fuel setup is not bad.
and your welcome, we are here to give our experiences to others. Just trying to help out hope people out :)

[Jersey Jay]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu



I am not sure about how good vortech FMU, but I am sure it will not be sufficient to handle a 6psi boost. The stock MAF sensor goes crazy after 5 psi I believe. Either you keep stock MAF and set wastgate at 5psi or gotta get a stand alone or a good piggy back management system.


I am sure the turbo guy will find out more stuff to do after the stuff is installed, plan on spending about $1G more after the basic kit. But $3100 for a basic kit include some basic fuel setup is not bad.
and your welcome, we are here to give our experiences to others. Just trying to help out hope people out :) Mike come on tell him how much more than $4100.00 it's going to cost to get the car boosted so she runs right. Yup the maf does go crazy after 5 psi, it's that good old voltage signal that it sends back to the ECU. I think we have that figured out now though!

[cool2miketlu]

Yeah basic turbo is not good enough, gotta change the clutch too because stock clutch sucks it will be gone in a few months. Electronics is going to be atleast $1000 installed and tuned on a Split Second FTC-1 setup. That is if all the pippings, manifolds, downpipe etc do not to be reworked (no leaks)....
If he can stick with that $3,100 quote you got a great deal, but I highly doubt it. That $3,100 quote is going to be a hook to get you to go to his shop, then he will ask you to add on stuff which is going to cost you even more money.
Get him to do a writeup of all the parts included, and how much he will do it for. Have some sort of a written document so he can not adjust it, if something else is required it will be an add on which can be done separately only with your permission. Must stipulate that the car will be able to run without any major problem for so long or he will fix it, this is something you should include just to protect yourself and to keep micky mouse work off of your car.

[Jersey Jay]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu
Yeah basic turbo is not good enough, gotta change the clutch too because stock clutch sucks it will be gone in a few months. Electronics is going to be atleast $1000 installed and tuned on a Split Second FTC-1 setup. That is if all the pippings, manifolds, downpipe etc do not to be reworked (no leaks)....
If he can stick with that $3,100 quote you got a great deal, but I highly doubt it. That $3,100 quote is going to be a hook to get you to go to his shop, then he will ask you to add on stuff which is going to cost you even more money.
Get him to do a writeup of all the parts included, and how much he will do it for. Have some sort of a written document so he can not adjust it, if something else is required it will be an add on which can be done separately only with your permission. Must stipulate that the car will be able to run without any major problem for so long or he will fix it, this is something you should include just to protect yourself and to keep micky mouse work off of your car. First thing that I have to say is "Just Win Baby Win!" I bleed Silver and Black and my boys are going to beat the piss out of the Titans, ok enough off topic. Thanks Mike for setting the record straight so he doesn't get burnt. Get it in writting, it all sounds too good to be true. As I like to say, Buyer Beware!

[cool2miketlu]

Originally posted by Jersey Jay
First thing that I have to say is "Just Win Baby Win!" I bleed Silver and Black and my boys are going to beat the piss out of the Titans, ok enough off topic. Thanks Mike for setting the record straight so he doesn't get burnt. Get it in writting, it all sounds too good to be true. As I like to say, Buyer Beware!


Hahaha Yeah I want Oakland Raiders to win too!! LA don't have a football team so can only root for Oakland now :(
Yeah turbo charging is not a simple thing to do, do it right it is going to cost ya money. If you get a quote cheap get it in writing, find out what is included (all parts listed) post it up let us see if all parts necessary is there. If it is then we will let you know and you can go ahead with the project... But make sure he gives you all the parts (by getting in writing you should get it) and make sure it is done right by guarantee in writing it will be (manifold is going to be a bitch to do right).

[Jersey Jay]

Originally posted by cool2miketlu



Hahaha Yeah I want Oakland Raiders to win too!! LA don't have a football team so can only root for Oakland now :(
Yeah turbo charging is not a simple thing to do, do it right it is going to cost ya money. If you get a quote cheap get it in writing, find out what is included (all parts listed) post it up let us see if all parts necessary is there. If it is then we will let you know and you can go ahead with the project... But make sure he gives you all the parts (by getting in writing you should get it) and make sure it is done right by guarantee in writing it will be (manifold is going to be a bitch to do right). Yup the manifold is a bit*h to do. Make sure it's out of 304 ss because of all yhe heat the turbo throws off. Off topic now. Mike I know were gonna beat the Titans next week so my brother and I are planning to come to San D. to watch our boys in the bowl. I had to put up with all the media here and trash talking from the Jets fans this week. I'm 15 minutes from the Meadowlands where the Giants and Jets play. Go figure a Jersey boy whose team is the Raiders. I've been a fan since the 60's with my brother, the days of Blanda and Stabler. Pride And Poise And Committed To Excellance! Just Win Baby Win as Al says. Who said the old men couldn't do it!

[cool2miketlu]

hahaha cool dude, if you do come to SD I will drive my car down to SD and meet up with you guys. Let me know when you guys are coming and I will see if Split Second can install the piece before you guys come, will have a review on that at around that time and have Jersey Jay stamp of approval on it :)
But I have T25 turbo which tops off around 6500rpm not like you with T3/T4 hybrid which will keep pulling, just to warn ya if you feel the drop in power once it reaches 6500 :)

[nyoneway]

Go Jets!

Damn they lost... But we'll beat you next year!

[andrewmva]

$3100 is cheap beware.... I have a feeling that the shop thinks they are going to be working on a honda..... not a toyota.....

[Jersey Jay]

Originally posted by andrewmva
$3100 is cheap beware.... I have a feeling that the shop thinks they are going to be working on a honda..... not a toyota..... Faultline listen to Andrew he does this for a living. Why don't you ask him to ball park a number for you on a turbo set-up nothing exotic. I think you'll be shocked over the price you were quoted for all the items you listed.

[Jersey Jay]

Originally posted by nyoneway
Go Jets!

Damn they lost... But we'll beat you next year! Sorry were too old to do this again next year! Chad is awsome he just came undone yesterday.

[faultline]

Yeah , I know, ...if it sounds to good to be true..it is. And yeah , andrew would be my 1st choice, but I live in the desert about 3000 miles away. David drapers kit is my second choice,but since the advent of the sc kits for Vibes and Matrixes, I do not know if they will ever release the kit for our aplication anymore, anyways, I think our ECU's are different, which may mean ?? for the tuning phase. fyi, the manifold is steel...but very thick..nearly 1/4" thick, showed me one,very clean but beefy., says they never crack. the IC core is 9"x!19" its huge! This cant be worse than the TP kit

[Jersey Jay]

Originally posted by faultline
Yeah , I know, ...if it sounds to good to be true..it is. And yeah , andrew would be my 1st choice, but I live in the desert about 3000 miles away. David drapers kit is my second choice,but since the advent of the sc kits for Vibes and Matrixes, I do not know if they will ever release the kit for our aplication anymore, anyways, I think our ECU's are different, which may mean ?? for the tuning phase. fyi, the manifold is steel...but very thick..nearly 1/4" thick, showed me one,very clean but beefy., says they never crack. the IC core is 9"x!19" its huge! This cant be worse than the TP kit Dave's kit will be out he just doesn't want to put it on the street till it's perfect. All I want you to do is ask Andrew to ball park a nuber for you. ANDREW I know your checking this forum please give him a ball park # so he sees what he is getting into. 1/4" thick is not thick at all, stay away from steel manifolds. You don't have to worry about it cracking you have to worry about it warping which a 1/4" steel flange will because of the heat. IC size is bigger than mine but that's not the issue. I rest my case on this topic!

[faultline]

I think that andrew has said in the past that that it would be around 6k w/o the internalls, but def the right way, . microtech stand alone ecu and a whole new fuel system. Like I inferred , this is in a sensse my 3rd choice. Remember though ,I am only shooting for better hp than the sc. Believe me, I appreciate everything being pointed out to me, I am hopeing that because I live in an economicly recessesd area, that at least the price and quality i am getting is good and fair. btw , a bigger IC will end up cooling the exaust temp a bit in the end