would u trade 4 an eclipse

[gnes100]

would u trade ur celica for a 99 ish eclipse gst . or gsx can these cars be made to handle like a celica .. now im pretty sure they can be made fast for cheap ... just wants somethin to handle like a celica .. pros .. cons of this vehicle if n e one could help

thanks

[TRD StreetRacing]

if it was in good condition(no engine troubles), low milage and welll maintained i would go for it.

plus the suspension can be upgraded. so that won't be an obsticle.

[xNiNjAx]

Not unless I had another beater for daily driving. It's just not worth the hassle of nonstop repairs.

[Gaps]

no, never. eclipse = turd...stanky turd

[TRD StreetRacing]

Originally posted by Gaps
no, never. eclipse = turd...stanky turd

i'm wondering just how old are u??

[Gaps]

Originally posted by TRD StreetRacing


i'm wondering just how old are u??

Old enough to talk a bit of crap if I care too.....too damn old to be eplaining myself to anyone.....plenty old enough to know an eclipse is a stanky turd. How old are you there flapjack?

[zcs626]

yes, yes i would.

[gnes100]

Originally posted by Gaps
no, never. eclipse = turd...stanky turd

now the toyota has t(u)rd parts for it does that make it a turd

[Cicero]

this is a bad bad thread :ugh:

Turbo Eclipse owners have a lot of problems. Ask Larry about some. :D They can be made pretty fast. But w/ out a second car, I wouldn't get one.

[2002GT_Celica]

Yes, the DSM's tend to be unreliable at times, but they can be made very, very fast. There are disadvantages to every car.

[The Game]

Maybe a GS-T Spyder, but not to mod, just cruise!

[xxomidxx]

Originally posted by gnes100
would u trade ur celica for a 99 ish eclipse gst . or gsx can these cars be made to handle like a celica .. now im pretty sure they can be made fast for cheap ... just wants somethin to handle like a celica .. pros .. cons of this vehicle if n e one could help

thanks
How could u trade a Toyota for a Mitsubishi?
Mitsubishi sux:bang:

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by xxomidxx

How could u trade a Toyota for a Mitsubishi?
Mitsubishi sux:bang:

Talk about an ignorant comment.

[xxomidxx]

It's true. they suck

[RevHappyGTS]

the 97-99 Eclipse GST and GSX are one the best looking designs ever! Plus they have excellent turbo motors other than the small case of crankwalk some of them experience, they are very strong. I was actually looking into one at one point but there were no unmolested 99 white GSX available so I said fuk it. The only complaint I have is the interior, it seems to be made from chrysler's special parts bin, the plastic looks straight outta a neon and they rattle, sqeak and the mold lines are very aparent. Other than that its a sweet car.

[TRD StreetRacing]

Originally posted by Gaps


Old enough to talk a bit of crap if I care too.....too damn old to be eplaining myself to anyone.....plenty old enough to know an eclipse is a stanky turd. How old are you there flapjack?

dude....stay off the drugs:chuckles:

[92_ALL-TRAC]

Even though they look very nice...i wouldn't go from Toyota to Mitsubishi

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by xxomidxx
It's true. they suck

Oh yes, they suck. That's why streetable GSX's and even GST's are hitting times that the Celica will never hit and looking good at the same time. I personally don't see any disadvantage of the car besides the reliability that is an issue with some of them.

[ishido]

Originally posted by RevHappyGTS
the 97-99 Eclipse GST and GSX are one the best looking designs ever! Plus they have excellent turbo motors other than the small case of crankwalk some of them experience, they are very strong.

The mid 2nd Gen years are the worst for crankwalk. 99s are considered the best. Coming from a friend who had a built 12second GSX on street tires, Mitsus have the worst quality control... at least of all the cars he's torn into. And he's torn into a lot. He ranked Toyota and Honda as the best QC.

And considering our cars are put together in Japan, I'm betting it'll be more reliable in the long run... if that's what you want.

[Brian00GTS]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica


Oh yes, they suck. That's why streetable GSX's and even GST's are hitting times that the Celica will never hit and looking good at the same time. I personally don't see any disadvantage of the car besides the reliability that is an issue with some of them.

I suppose that depends on if you spend the majority of your time at the track or if you're using it for a daily driver. I've had one, and it's not a good daily driver (ie you're always working on it).

[baNanA_ryCe]

i'm always going to be bias...go celica!! :chuckles:

[Redline]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica


Oh yes, they suck. That's why streetable GSX's and even GST's are hitting times that the Celica will never hit and looking good at the same time. I personally don't see any disadvantage of the car besides the reliability that is an issue with some of them.

The only advantage I see on them is the aftermarket/tunability and straightline speed. Almost like a japanese muscle car. That's only if you like that sort of thing.

I've driven quite a few gs-t's and yes the torque puts a smile on your face (compared to the celica), but it handles like a boat. I literally feel like I'm driving a fast boat. Everything is floaty and somewhat unresponsive compared to the celica. And this is comparing stock vs stock. You can tighten the suspension on an eclipse, but do the same on the celica and your literally on rails.

The celica is so much more fun to drive in situations where you use the steeringwheel (which is anywhere but a 1/4 strip).

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by Redline


The only advantage I see on them is the aftermarket/tunability and straightline speed. Almost like a japanese muscle car. That's only if you like that sort of thing.

I've driven quite a few gs-t's and yes the torque puts a smile on your face (compared to the celica), but it handles like a boat. I literally feel like I'm driving a fast boat. Everything is floaty and somewhat unresponsive compared to the celica. And this is comparing stock vs stock. You can tighten the suspension on an eclipse, but do the same on the celica and your literally on rails.

The celica is so much more fun to drive in situations where you use the steeringwheel (which is anywhere but a 1/4 strip).

I'm not disputing that at all, I have heard many an Eclipse owner tell me of how poorly the Eclipse handles in stock form, mostly due to the bad turning radius. But let's look at this realistically, Mitsubishi didn't put the car together with handling in mind, but it can be made to handle nicely and the straightline speed is obviously there stock and can be greatly improved upon with some modification.

The point I am trying to make is that the car doesn't suck. A lot of supercars have reliability problems, but does that mean they suck? No. Just because the Eclipse has some problems does not mean that it sucks. Kias suck, Daewoos suck, but Eclipses don't as far as I am concerned.

[Redline]

Originally posted by 2002GT_Celica


I'm not disputing that at all, I have heard many an Eclipse owner tell me of how poorly the Eclipse handles in stock form, mostly due to the bad turning radius. But let's look at this realistically, Mitsubishi didn't put the car together with handling in mind, but it can be made to handle nicely and the straightline speed is obviously there stock and can be greatly improved upon with some modification.

The point I am trying to make is that the car doesn't suck. A lot of supercars have reliability problems, but does that mean they suck? No. Just because the Eclipse has some problems does not mean that it sucks. Kias suck, Daewoos suck, but Eclipses don't as far as I am concerned.

True. I'm not saying Eclipses are bad cars. I'm just sayin that the eclipse has a totally different feeling than a celica. And I'm the type of person who would much rather drive a mr2 spyder than a mustang gt (comparing how each car feels on the road only).

[JaySong]

y would I?

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by Redline


True. I'm not saying Eclipses are bad cars. I'm just sayin that the eclipse has a totally different feeling than a celica. And I'm the type of person who would much rather drive a mr2 spyder than a mustang gt (comparing how each car feels on the road only).

:werd: I agree whole-heartedly. I cannot drive a car without handling...unless it is a luxury car. Then, I can make an exception. Just saying that while the Eclipse is not my personal choice for a car, it by no means, sucks.

[larryd]

hmm.. I honestly had just as many problems with the Celica as I did with my GST believe it or not. The only difference is the GST had 50k on it when I bought it and the Celica was brand new. Personally I was very disapointed with the build quality of my Celica.

A couple points to make here..

1) someone was ragging on the interior of the Eclipse, the Celicas platic will scratch if you look at it the wrong way, the Eclipse is damned durable compared to that, Ive actually had my entire interior in and out of the car several times and I dont get many squeaks.

2) handling. I personally dont think an Eclipse will ever touch the handling ability of a Celica. I just dont think it will happen, now on the other hand I dont think the average person will ever take true advantage of the handling the Celica with a full suspension is capable of. I just ordered a full tein flex suspension for my GSX, Im expecting it to be able to run circles around what I had no my Celica, but we will see.

3) POWER.. there is a reason people by DSMs, POWER.. Im looking for 425whp in the next month and mid-high 11 second quarter passes while being able to handle with the best cars on the road all in the next month. I cant ask for much more.

4) reliability? If you take care of it, you dont beat on it.. it will take care of you.. same as any other car :)

hope i helped.

[Redline]

Originally posted by larryd
\ I cant ask for much more.


AWD?? oh wait, you got that already. :D

[Da Kine Guy]

Unreliable? Tell that to the guy who just dynoed 337fwhp out here on a 166k mile stock bottom end. That was with his fuel computer out (cut the wires with the sliding seat). The guys got an easy 24psi 400+ fwhp car on a high mileage DSM. They are unreliable on the internet, the truth is there are plenny of them out on the roads running fine. Friend of mines got a '93, pretty damn trouble free there.

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by larryd

3) POWER.. there is a reason people by DSMs, POWER.. Im looking for 425whp in the next month and mid-high 11 second quarter passes while being able to handle with the best cars on the road all in the next month. I cant ask for much more.


well said larry,


you guys need to understand larry has an addiciton to speed, and i guess the celica just isint fast enough, and for the money, a dsm anyday will go faster, so if thats what you wanna do, id suggest you get one :bowdown:

i have nothing against celicas at all, i love them, just you looking for power, than you shall get a dsm:)

[Redline]

Originally posted by Airpoppoff


well said larry,


you guys need to understand larry has an addiciton to speed, and i guess the celica just isint fast enough, and for the money, a dsm anyday will go faster, so if thats what you wanna do, id suggest you get one :bowdown:

i have nothing against celicas at all, i love them, just you looking for power, than you shall get a dsm:)

You can go just as fast or faster with other cars and handle a bit better too. :wiggle:

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by Redline


You can go just as fast or faster with other cars and handle a bit better too. :wiggle:

exactly, not doggin on the celicas at all, but ive owned an integra before and the handling rules on the eclipse, stock for stock a celica will run circles around an eclipse...

But with larrys setup that he has in his gsx, a awesome susupension and wheel/tire setup can rule in an awd car, compared with my eclipse and my integra, corners are butter with the integra but with the eclipse i can pull about 10 time harder out of the corners....

Driver skill is alot of matter in an awd car taking corners like a celica would, if you know how to push an awd car into a corner and scream out of it, you pretty much got it down

but if you loose control in a gsx at high speeds, your screwed :gap:

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

haha.. wuddup airpoppoff.. did larry get u to start posting here..

<-- RedTurboEclipse.. DSMTuners.com.. :D

http://www.sromagazine.com/~diranged/pkr-gallery/albums/album01/aaz.jpg

ill admit.. the celica handles much better (stock vs stock) compared to my t.. but i wasnt looking for handling.. and who keeps stock suspension anyways.. so its a problem that can be fixed..

but when it comes to power.. the dsm is the way to go..

as for being unreliable andstuff.. its over-rated.. and just something that got hyped up over the net or from friends who heard from friends.. u keep the car close to stock and not do too much to it or mod it the right way and it shouldnt give u a problem.. but u start modding the hell out ANY car.. a problem or 2 is going to pop up.. for DSM owner's sake.. u just hear more probs. with them because theres a lot of fast ones out there that are modded to hell :) ;) that or just stupid people who dont take turbo-tuning responsibly and start overboosting with stock fuel systems and blowing their isht up..

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by EuGeNiLe GTS
haha.. wuddup airpoppoff.. did larry get u to start posting here..

<-- RedTurboEclipse.. DSMTuners.com.. :D

http://www.sromagazine.com/~diranged/pkr-gallery/albums/album01/aaz.jpg

that or just stupid people who dont take turbo-tuning responsibly and start overboosting with stock fuel systems and blowing their isht up..



exactly

haah, whats up dude, no larry didint, i really like this site, and i just saw an eclipse topic,

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

yea if im not on the tuners.. im over here reading up bout my old car and making sure theres no isht talking bout my new one hehe..speaking of which.. .. u should check out the racing stories.. couple of em about DSMs..

[143hawaii]

Originally posted by Redline


And I'm the type of person who would much rather drive a mr2 spyder than a mustang gt

Very smart words :D :D :D

Power is nothing without handling. With that said, I'd have to drive a GSX before saying anything. I don't ONLY go by numbers.

[iwantaferrari]

id pimp a GSX if i could swing it
crankwalk most of the time stems from a weak oilpump... an easily replacable item if youre already doing the timing belt

[Mistrimeat]

Originally posted by gnes100
would u trade ur celica for a 99 ish eclipse gst . or gsx

Nope.

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by 143hawaii


Power is nothing without handling. With that said, I'd have to drive a GSX before saying anything. I don't ONLY go by numbers.

exactly:naughty:

[larryd]

jesus Matt are you following me around the net? :)

[soceur]

Originally posted by xxomidxx

How could u trade a Toyota for a Mitsubishi?
Mitsubishi sux:bang:


hmmmm i guess you've never heard of the Mistsubishi EVO........would spank the celi..hell most cars toyota ever made with ease.

[F35-JSF]

Originally posted by larryd
4) reliability? If you take care of it, you dont beat on it.. it will take care of you.. same as any other car :)

hope i helped. [/B]

Truely spoken!

[gnes100]

thanks for all the imput very helpful!!!

[ishido]

Originally posted by iwantaferrari
id pimp a GSX if i could swing it
crankwalk most of the time stems from a weak oilpump... an easily replacable item if youre already doing the timing belt

Really... just a weak oilpump? I thought it was due to poor tolerances. Damn if all crankwalk could be solved by replacing the oil pump, it'd all be solved. You must not be familiar with the DSM blend of crankwalk.

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/walkingcrankshaft.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/crankwalk/
search the web for "dsm crankwalk"

... ignorance assasin? ... :wtf:

[DnDs00GTS]

I'd rather get a 93 MR2 Turbo with the LSD option!!! :-) 3sgte all the way!!!

[valkyrie]

any other car than celica
just sell ur celica, it will save u a lot of money

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by larryd
1) someone was ragging on the interior of the Eclipse, the Celicas platic will scratch if you look at it the wrong way...


:werd: to that. I take really good care of my interior, and after a year, I already have a couple noticeable scratches and scuffs on my interior.

[03'GTS]

what up airpopoff and larry...over at dsmtuners.com I am 13secGST and thats what I am. Ok everything that is said about 2g eclipse as far as reliablity is ****...they are reliable, as long as you maintain the thing then you don't have problems...I haven't and I've owned two...right now I own a 99 and I am in love with it, I got to test drive a Celica GTS and I knew I wasn't buying it cause I didn't have the money but I just wanted to feel the "lift" I felt a little something but all that seemed to happen was the rev's went faster...the engine really didn't mind those high rpms though. When I drove GST's and a GSX I was looking at I knew that I wanted that car again and already I have a 13 sec car for a total of 12500 and its a 99. It is true about the handling though, its not that good my accord would handle better than my GST but once I put on strut bars and anti-sway bars, coil overs, poly urethane bushings and stuff like that then it won't really matter. One thing I love/hate about my car is if I just cruise at 15-20mph in 1st then step on it the front tires spin its nice cause it reminds me of my cars power but its a pain cause I need to get some better traction sticky tires and possible LSD will be coming when I get my big 16g turbo, FMIC, 550cc injectors and start pushing above 300 whp (with good tuning of course)
I am very happy with my decision, I would have been happy waiting a bit and getting a Celica but I wouldn't be able to upgrade for a while and really would never be able to make much power unless I bought a turbo kit which would cost a lot cause to actually make any boost I'd have to get lower compression pistons as well and while your in there you might as well do other **** to so I could just never afford that.

Sorry for the long post just stating what I feel because honestly I LOVE both cars I just dont like comments like "eclipses suck or mitsu sux" if thats your opinion then fine but if you are going to state it on this or any board then you need to state why and need to be able to back up that why...not just ohh they are reliable when in actuallity they are.

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

people hype up crankwalk and all that dsm maintenance stuff.. i hardly hear issues about crankwalk.. very rare i hear about it on the boards.. unless i just didnt pay attention.. and maintenance.. last i heard.. all cars have mainteneance.. :)

[00 LSM GTS]

I wouldn't trust getting a used DSM for the reliability issues alone. And for the money i'd be spending making it handle better and goin faster. For the price, and 1/4mile fun.. i'd rather get a 5.0 or spend more and get an LS1. But never would i sell the Celica :)

[larryd]

you know whats funny.. I can honestly say that in a years span I heard more about Celica owners talking about mis shifting then I did DSMers talking about crankwalk.. if that gives you an idea :)