TRD supercharger for the Matrix

[andrewmva]

TRD announced that the SC kit for the 1zz powered Matrix/vibe is scheduled for release in mid Feb....

Sorry guys, it does NOT fit the 1zz powered celica or MR2

[CelicaLicious]

the bastards!

hood clearance the issue? or do they just think the station wagon is cooler?

[btagoc]

someone posted saying it would be possible to take a dremel to the support framework under our hood and fit that baby under there without compromising the integrity of the hood.

Is there any way that this is possible? Do we know by what degree it does not fit?

Also, what would be different about the corolla/matrix kit and the celica? Just the ecu? How much trouble would it be to get the trd piggyback, or another to work w/ the celica?

[cool2miketlu]

Have a hood made that will allow this SC to fit maybe in carbon fiber, I am sure people will go for it (not sure how many :) )
Hay maybe try to make it like the turboed Supra hood with a hole showing a turbo fan, make something like that but showing the TRD Supercharger body ontop of the hood :D

[andrewmva]

If it is possible...... I will figure out how to do it!!!

[codebluepnk]

cool thanx andrewmva
i would be interested if you found out how to make it fit. good luck

[FuriousBlkGT]

BS...!
Screw TRD they nvr care about the celica driver :*(

[matrixguy707]

Just curious where you got the info from? Was it a press release? Any details you can share about cost and HP gains?

thanks!

[FuriousBlkGT]

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52023&highlight=TRD+supercharger

[matrixguy707]

I read that original forum but i was more curious on how he got the date of february. If its from Super Street magazine then thats cool, but I was looking more along the lines of a real press release from TRD going out to the dealers since they never bother to update their website with anything useful anymore....

[codebluepnk]

i just wrote to trd and they said this.
"at this time we are still testing the fitment of the supercharger on the
celica gt, we are trying to get the supercharger mounted just right so
there would be little or no modification done to the stock hood.
unfortunately i cannot give you a definite eta on its release but try back
sometime in April or May and see where we are at."
So i think february is out of the question, at least for the celicas

[andrewmva]

I know that the fitment for the matrx/Vibe is done.....
OK
Reality check for 1 min (it is harsh)
rightnow Toyota is not selling tons of celicas maybe 20-30,000 a year..... OK the Matrix/Vibe is selling like crazy rightnow....I would expect the numbers to be double what they are for the celica.... I would not count on TRD putting forth a ton of effort for the celica.... no because it is not a great car.... -but because of the size of the market.... hate to be the one to say it -but I have a feeling that it is reality...
I cannot find sales figs for the celica.... -but I'll keep looking

OK here we go in 2001 toyota sold 35,720 celicas.... now lemme look for matrix vibe #s


here check out this http://www.genvibe.com/html/features/autoshows/sema2002/supercharger.shtml

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

Originally posted by andrewmva
I know that the fitment for the matrx/Vibe is done.....
OK
Reality check for 1 min (it is harsh)
rightnow Toyota is not selling tons of celicas maybe 20-30,000 a year..... OK the Matrix/Vibe is selling like crazy rightnow....I would expect the numbers to be double what they are for the celica.... I would not count on TRD putting forth a ton of effort for the celica.... no because it is not a great car.... -but because of the size of the market.... hate to be the one to say it -but I have a feeling that it is reality...
I cannot find sales figs for the celica.... -but I'll keep looking

OK here we go in 2001 toyota sold 35,720 celicas.... now lemme look for matrix vibe #s


here check out this http://www.genvibe.com/html/features/autoshows/sema2002/supercharger.shtml

THis is true, but how canSMALLER Comps like XS, and WC make a buck from R&D for the Celica, but TRD can not???
One would think they have every thing they would need to make parts for our car with out having to spend much cash on test cars and engines.
Am I wrong in thinking so???

I agree that the Corolla/Matix are a larger market, but what is it saying about the company if there Sedans are more sporty then there SPORTS CARS??

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by andrewmva
...Reality check for 1 min (it is harsh)
rightnow Toyota is not selling tons of celicas maybe 20-30,000 a year..... OK the Matrix/Vibe is selling like crazy rightnow....I would expect the numbers to be double what they are for the celica.... I would not count on TRD putting forth a ton of effort for the celica.... no because it is not a great car.... -but because of the size of the market.... hate to be the one to say it -but I have a feeling that it is reality...
I cannot find sales figs for the celica.... -but I'll keep looking

OK here we go in 2001 toyota sold 35,720 celicas.... now lemme look for matrix vibe #s


here check out this http://www.genvibe.com/html/features/autoshows/sema2002/supercharger.shtml

Definitely a legitimate point. However, there are examples that go against this trend:

1.There are far, far more lower-model Civics than there are B16A-powered Si Civics, yet most of the performance parts are made for the B16.

2.There are MANY more lower-trim Tegs than there are GSRs and Type Rs, yet again the majority of power-parts are for the highest models.

It's not always about pure sales numbers. It's also about the kind of person that buys a certain type of car. Guys with performance-model Civics and Tegs are more likely to buy performance parts, so they are catered to, even if they are absolutely outnumbered by people with the lower models. It should also make sense that car buyers that purchase the sports-oriented Celica would be more likely on the whole to be into performance parts than someone who buys a Corolla or even a Matrix/Vibe.

[faultline]

I think that Keyshawn makes a good point! Just visit the force induction section of Genvibe.com . yu will see that it is not nearly as active as this one or of spyderchats, and that is because the car does not attract as many sports car minded people! but there are some.......

[andrewmva]

Excellent point!!!!

But almost everyone takes a lower model civic (92-00) and drops in a B16 or B18..... simple as that... and the swap is a bolt on affair that just about any shade-tree mechanic can do with no special tools. There is also the fact that the B series Honda engines are SIMPLE to work on... there really is nothing too complicated to deal with...you can tear apart the entire engine with basic tools, and the fact that nearly EVERY FAST HONDA runs the B16 or B18. The fact that the engines are constantly being imported to the states also offsets the sales numbers ALOT... there are thousands of B16 and B18 in the US that have been imported not sold here.
Fact of the matter is that this sport (import racing) was nearly born with the B16 and B18 engines. (for the US) This is when the market really took off...thease were the first 4cyl engines that were really greated well by the public(in mass) very well.
hell AEM only did honda parts when they first opened....
Same with jackson racing....
For comparison look at the 2JZ Toyota engine.... sales were so Bad in the US witht the supra that Toyota pulled it from the market.... yet we have an abundace of parts readily availible, why??? the 2JZ, B16, B18 are engines that are PROVEN to make power with SIMPLE bolt-ons.
I hate to say it but the 1zz and 2zz will never see the same aftermarket as the B-series or the 2JZ.
If there were more FAST 1zz and 2zz powered car running at the tracks then we would see parts....
Just my opinion.... but opinions are like assholes... everybody has one and they all stink!!

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Definitely a legitimate point. However, there are examples that go against this trend:

1.There are far, far more lower-model Civics than there are B16A-powered Si Civics, yet most of the performance parts are made for the B16.

2.There are MANY more lower-trim Tegs than there are GSRs and Type Rs, yet again the majority of power-parts are for the highest models.

It's not always about pure sales numbers. It's also about the kind of person that buys a certain type of car. Guys with performance-model Civics and Tegs are more likely to buy performance parts, so they are catered to, even if they are absolutely outnumbered by people with the lower models. It should also make sense that car buyers that purchase the sports-oriented Celica would be more likely on the whole to be into performance parts than someone who buys a Corolla or even a Matrix/Vibe.

[andrewmva]

Originally posted by faultline
I think that Keyshawn makes a good point! Just visit the force induction section of Genvibe.com . yu will see that it is not nearly as active as this one or of spyderchats, and that is because the car does not attract as many sports car minded people! but there are some.......

Also realize your talking about a car that has been on the market less than a year...

here are the figs for the vibe
Pontiac Vibe Sales
As of November 2002

30,462 Vibes Sold YTD (not including the matrix)
I'm thinking at least double that for the Matrix

[Keyshawn]

andrewmva,
We agree, then. Regardless of the B16A and B18C engines imported here from Japan, they are still far outnumbered by lower model Civic and Teg engines (like the D16Y). But, like we are both saying, the fact that the B-series engines get way more attention from the performance aftermarket than D-series engines is due to the type of enthusiast that usually owns one, and not due to sheer sales numbers. This basically confirms that TRD is staffed by a bunch of closed-minded morons who are looking at pure sales numbers when figuring out what cars to make their SCs and other parts for, instead of looking at the kind of enthusiast that buys a certain type of car.

Case in point: TRD makes a supercharger first for the Camry, now for the Corolla, thinking they would sell like hotcakes because there are so many of those cars on the road. They also basically ignore the Celica, a car whose typical owners are far more likely to buy performance parts for their ride, because of the Celi has much lower sales numbers. Heh, that's just as stupid as if AEM, DC, Jackson Racing, etc. focused only on base-model Accords and Civics, since those cars outsold the Civic Si and Integra GSR by a landslide.;)

[andrewmva]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
andrewmva,

Case in point: TRD makes a supercharger first for the Camry, now for the Corolla, thinking they would sell like hotcakes because there are so many of those cars on the road. They also basically ignore the Celica, a car whose typical owners are far more likely to buy performance parts for their ride, because of the Celi has much lower sales numbers. Heh, that would be like if AEM, DC, Jackson Racing, etc. focused only on base-model Accords and Civics, since those cars outsold the Civic Si and Integra GSR by a landslide.;)

EXACTLY.... problem with TRD is that they are Toooooo corperate... they want solid numbers and it does not seem like they are willing to take a chance... (it's not like they sold 700,000 cars last year) Also it is hard to compare a factory performance upgrade to aftermarket -say a vortech charger... vortech does not have to worry about warrenty TRD does!!
SO say they release the SC and it flops... they lose money, say they launch the SC it flops and hurts engines...
NOW they have lost the money they put into R&D AND they have to start replaceing engines... they are simply playing it safe... and conservitive thats all...
-but I think the market IS there for the charger...-for sure and they should be able to figure something out!!

[Keyshawn]

We'd all be laughing at the horrible business sense of companies like AEM, Jackson Racing, DC, etc. if they focused only on base-model Accords and Civics, due to their much higher sales numbers. They'd all be considered a joke in the import scene. Which is exactly what TRD USA is considered, if you talk to people in the industry.:chuckles:

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by andrewmva
...Also it is hard to compare a factory performance upgrade to aftermarket -say a vortech charger... vortech does not have to worry about warrenty TRD does!!
SO say they release the SC and it flops... they lose money, say they launch the SC it flops and hurts engines...
NOW they have lost the money they put into R&D AND they have to start replaceing engines... they are simply playing it safe... and conservitive thats all...


That's what Kazuma was supposed to be for, to bypass the warranty issues you're talking about. But TRD managed to fuk that idea up, too.:naughty:

[andrewmva]

LOL they just can't get it right!!!
MVA supercharger??? hmmmmmm........