USCC...man..that 3000GT was a JOKE.

[ArchangelX]

That dude is going to get alotta hate mail and disrespect for claiming 652HP and only putting down 300(THAT's practically STOCK). I can't believe someone would say something like that, and not be able to back it up. Plus, he bombed on everything else practically.

Gimme a break...

I'm not quite sure if I agree with letting Vipers compete with pack, either...or Ferraris like last year. I mean..this is Sport Compact Car, right?

The Type R...MAN...45,000 buckaroos, and he got schooled!!! :ugh: He actually did worse than a stock Type-R in some of the events.

And if you didn't notice, alotta of these "supercars" had some EXTREMELY big problems holding up to a little fun. I'm really surprised by the reliability problems that can hit all in one week of testing.

Anybody read it yet? I just picked up off the newstands and I'm in WA for godsakes, so I figure you guys have probably already seen it by now.

[RedNOSceli]

SCC is a joke......They sent me a 75% off subscription coupon, I almost did it because its cheaper then store bought a$$wipe bathroom tissue but thought my bowels might get offended by the foul smelling load of crap they publish. F*ck SCC.

edit: Also, all these super cars are nothing but dyno toys, these things could never be put to any use in any kind of real competition or daily driver for that matter.

[ArchangelX]

Umm...

Well..they did all these tests...so to be honest, I think you might need to re-think your "dyno-queen" theory...there were specific tests for driveability and the like.

Carshow - All Show
Grandma Test - How comfortable it was
The Guru Panel - How well put together they were
Driveability - How streetable it is
The Dyno - 'Nuff Said
Base Price/Emissions - How expensive the cars are, along with compliance with emissions
Fuel Economy - How many miles to the gallon
Road Course - How well it did on the track
Skidpad- Duh
Braking - Ditto
Acceleration - Triple Duh
Gross Display of HP - Who had the baddest burnout.

That's a helluva lot more tests than just dyno. I do agree that SCC is just like any import magazine, but they didn't really skimp on the testing too much.

[RedNOSceli]

I havent read the entire artical but I did catch the parts about sh*t breaking

[ArchangelX]

Well...SCC can be pretty freaking strange. They blew up their last RX-7 because of stupidity (they did the same thing as most newbies do, and just toss on mod after mod instead of tuning the bastiche like they should).

I'd have to agree..I just read their RX-7 article..and they didn't exactly glorify it like they did the Supra Buyers guide, and the RX-7 is actually a helluva lot easier for most people to get. They sure as hell skimped on alotta the positives, and if I was a casual reader, I wouldn't get a warm fuzzy over the 7 with it.

I think this probably stemmed from their troubles with their 7.

Of course, I think I'm being extremely biased but I just got this negative feeling from the article. :thumbdown:

[CelicaLicious]

SCC sucks. and their competition is a joke. they have all these street monsters that cant even hold up to week of fun? tranny breaking, fuel leaks everywhere, and all kinds of mess. and i thought that GTO guy had some balls! funny stuff!

[ArchangelX]

Ya...well..that's my main problem with it...I mean..I know guys on the 7 forum that reguarly compete with horsepower monsters, and don't have the problems these guys had.

Of course..they readers did vote for who they wanted to compete...which just goes to show...how much :gay: -ness there is out there...

One thing that also bugs me, is the fact that these cars were supposed to be THE ULTIMATE STREET CARS...but yet several of them were fuggin' stock as hell i.e. the 3000GT and the Skyline. Granted..the Skyline is no joke...but come one...I'm sure there's tons of people out there that have put much more work into their cars.

The only real street car that I really respected outta all of them was the Supra because he went all out, and the car DID look like it belonged...but it ALSO competed LAST year, with a few changes to the car.

I mean, that's gay...

[Tikked Again]

I heard that the MRS in that competition blew the tranny in 3rd gear on the road course.

[2002GT_Celica]

About the Ferraris and Vipers in the competition, they hide behind the fact that they call the competition the ultimate street car challenge, not the ultimate street compact car challenge. To be honest though, the competition is kind of stupid if you ask me. They compare apples and oranges, and some of the cars that get in are crap.

I like SCC though and have a yearly subscription to it. I've found it to be a little better than Super Street. But hey, I'm all show, no go, and I don't really analyze all the performance related articles like some here do.

[ArchangelX]

Well..you are right about SCC being a little better than the other mags.

They're just as bad in some ways, but it's a helluva LOT better than some of the other mags. I can't stand Import Tuner. :puke:

Espescially, that budget looking cartoon that just exemplifies the typical stereotypes on the street. :bang:

[jotan82]

yeah i got it too..

that VR-4 sucked big ass...

[lafaygts]

That DSM they had was awsome. The company that put it together did it in 1 week or somthing and it dynoed at 527 HP. It also had the fastest 1/4 mile time nd still a decent .9?? Gs on the skidpad.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by ArchangelX
I'd have to agree..I just read their RX-7 article..and they didn't exactly glorify it like they did the Supra Buyers guide, and the RX-7 is actually a helluva lot easier for most people to get. They sure as hell skimped on alotta the positives, and if I was a casual reader, I wouldn't get a warm fuzzy over the 7 with it.

I think this probably stemmed from their troubles with their 7.

Of course, I think I'm being extremely biased but I just got this negative feeling from the article. :thumbdown:

Yeah, I read that article on the RX7, and I agree that it seemed somewhat negative. However, I think SCC is a pretty good mag overall.

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

That DSM they had was awsome. The company that put it together did it in 1 week or somthing and it dynoed at 527 HP. It also had the fastest 1/4 mile time nd still a decent .9?? Gs on the skidpad.



Yup, I would have to agree with that, that GSX was badass (that was actually my first car.... memories...) And the Skyline did just about as good as I thought it would.... as for the 300GT, I've always kinda thought that those things suck ass, now I know for sure.

[elektrobeatz]

Silverbullet: Please don't generalize.... I'm sure there are aspects in which the VR4's can own the celica, and vice versa.

I agree that they tested the wrong VR4, the guy who owns it is known to us at 3si.org as a guy who likes to talk ****, so its a disgrace to the 3s community that he would make those comments about a Ferrari then produce such a stellar :rolleyes: :thumbdown performance....... Guess that's the last time we'll see a 3000GT in a magazine....... :angry: :wtc:

[Celica RZ]

SCC is so way out there these days. I used to buy the mag every month until it turned stupid. Their project cars are practically peiced together for them from tuning companies, which makes for great articles and tech sections but it leaves me to wonder just how "independent" exactly are their independent tests. They had this editorial article a year back so about the bull$#!+ filter and how everybody should have one and how they were gonna be the bull$#!+ filter for their readers....please! They're practically adding to all the bull$#!+.

I bought the SCC ultimate car challenge just to see what kind of vehicles entered and guess what? All those vehicles had major sponsorships with major $$$ thrown into them. Take a look at a couple years back and you see vehicles that are more representable of what actually gets driven around. This "test" is just a mockery of what it used to be. Hell the magazine is a mockery of what it used to be.

I used to buy exclusively only SCC, which I thought had the best tech articles and the best testing of the mags but lately everything they have has been super expensive. Project CRX, They have all this junk for it which I'm sure they paid absolutely no money for. Project Silvia received some ultra-expensive JIC coilovers which I'm sure he did not pay all that much for (I'm guessing at least $3000 for normal retail price), Project 300zx the engine alone must have cost $25,000 with all the work in it, which I'm sure they did not pay that much for. Independent? yeah riiigghhtt.....:rolleyes:

[Camry2000]

SCC = Someone's Crappy Civic

[Fiero]

My complaint about the test is that some of these cars are trailor queens. They should only be allowed in if they are actually driven on the street daily, or have the capability to do so.

I have no complaints about the types of cars in there because SCC didn't pick them. Readers did. If you don' t like who is in there, blame the idiots who voted for them.

There were a lot of cars that are actually real daily driven cars that were not voted for, that would have been great to see. But everyone wants to see there percieved ideal for a car make it in, not a car that is actually streetable.

Enjoy it for what it is. Just know it isn't representative of what 99% of the people drive, and readers have no one to blame but themselves for that.

Oh yeah, and someone stated that SCC was working TOO closely with a lot of aftermarket companies. For that, I have to agree. We need impartial reviews, not 5 page long brochures in magazine guise.

[ArchangelX]

I'm gonna get a subscription to Grassroot Motorsports...

They're straight up for real in comparison...

Also..the RX7club owners are in a frenzy over that article...I just hit the boards and alot of them pretty much pointed out that article was complete BS espescially the prices for them.

The only way you'll get a 93 model for 13,000 is if it doesn't have an engine. :rolleyes: It's more like 17 to 18k for a 93 in excellent condition.

[Da Kine Guy]

After reading that Supra Buyers Guide I'm never reading that mag again. "Blah blah blah, the Supra has been around for many years but it wasn't until '93 that it became a real sports car". Hogwash! Thing is, when I read it, I was with about 10 mkIII owners at the time (we were stopping by a store to mob the magazine rack and take a break). Sh!t, how many other cars can make 500+rwhp on stock internals? Not many! Also, how many other cars weighing 3600lbs can pull .86g on the skidpad all stock? Not many! Yeah, so my car is no mkIV or anything like the last gen of jap supercars (RX-7, mkIV, VR4, and the ZX), but to just discount it like that with the wave of a pen is just stupid and insulting. Hell, HKS was making 1000hp drag mkIII 7M's before the mkIV was even born! And to call it a "Supra Buyers Guide" too. How the hell can you recommend someone to spend over $20k on a car made in '93 with 80k miles on it? What kinda buyers guide is that?

Sorry for venting but that article just really stuck it to me. I was totally expecting to find info on all the lines of Supra's, especially since the mkIII is kinda grouped with the older DSMs as one of the best bang for your buck cars out there, only to find it totally discounted and almost made not to even exist. Supra buyers guide, humph! :mad:

[charlez13]

gotta love the skyline though....it was "almost stock" and ran a 11.66 quarter mile! :drool: That, in itself, is enough reason to keep me in college. I will own one someday. :)

[Tikked Again]

Grass roots magazine owns all....

They have some of the best tech articles I have ever read and they are very down to earth. The vehicles they work on aren't worth 10s of thousands of dollars and most of the time aren't the most popular. Just the fun of building, tuning, driving, and learning. Ok...end of advertisement....

Tik

[4CyLSiLvACeLi]

Originally posted by charlez13
gotta love the skyline though....it was "almost stock" and ran a 11.66 quarter mile! :drool: That, in itself, is enough reason to keep me in college. I will own one someday. :)

ya, and he was one of the few people who actually drove his car daily. the DSM was nice too.

[lafaygts]

There are some DSMs that are daily driven and run high 9s so its no wonder it performed well here. I have seen some really fast 3000gt so I think that this guy must have been all talk. Althogh the engine bay in the 3000gt was pretty!

[The Game]

Originally posted by Da Kine Guy
After reading that Supra Buyers Guide I'm never reading that mag again. "Blah blah blah, the Supra has been around for many years but it wasn't until '93 that it became a real sports car". Hogwash! Thing is, when I read it, I was with about 10 mkIII owners at the time (we were stopping by a store to mob the magazine rack and take a break). Sh!t, how many other cars can make 500+rwhp on stock internals? Not many! Also, how many other cars weighing 3600lbs can pull .86g on the skidpad all stock? Not many! Yeah, so my car is no mkIV or anything like the last gen of jap supercars (RX-7, mkIV, VR4, and the ZX), but to just discount it like that with the wave of a pen is just stupid and insulting. Hell, HKS was making 1000hp drag mkIII 7M's before the mkIV was even born! And to call it a "Supra Buyers Guide" too. How the hell can you recommend someone to spend over $20k on a car made in '93 with 80k miles on it? What kinda buyers guide is that?

Sorry for venting but that article just really stuck it to me. I was totally expecting to find info on all the lines of Supra's, especially since the mkIII is kinda grouped with the older DSMs as one of the best bang for your buck cars out there, only to find it totally discounted and almost made not to even exist. Supra buyers guide, humph! :mad: :werd: I love the MKIII's and for SCC to diss them like that was pure :bs: But whatever they dont get my money!!

[Tikked Again]

HEY...the mk2 supra owns all!!!!

:)

[The Wok]

Too bad that homemade Super 7 broke down before the road course event. I wonder what it woulda done.

[143hawaii]

I don't think James Chen's MR2 Spyder represented us owners very well...there's guys on the board putting down as much or more power than him with no tranny problems!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

[pensfan83]

Originally posted by S|Lv3rBu||et
as for the 300GT, I've always kinda thought that those things suck ass, now I know for sure.
Give me a break. Cabo the "Leg Luvr" is full of it and himself.

Even before this embarassment, Joe isolated himself from the 3000GT/Stealth community for making grand claims that he couldn't/wouldn't back up. He talked the talk, SCC called him on it, and then proceeded to rip him a new one. This isn't a case of an inferior car, but an idiotic owner.

If things go according to plan, one or more of the major tuners should have a car ready for next year that will erase (almost ;)) all memory of Cabo Wabo Afro Joe's ridiculous performance.

[ArchangelX]

Here, Here! :headbang:

I knew that guy was a dumbazz....he's either got a lotta ballz, or he's just too damn ignorant to know any bettter.

I really enjoyed reading SCC as they made fun of his car. :chuckles:

Got any links to any threads, there pensfan? :gap:

[pensfan83]

Heh, plenty of threads, but here are the two "best" (please be patient with the server :)):

The Results: http://www.3si.org/portal/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123918&highlight=Cabo

Cabo's side of it, back in December (trying to calm the storm before it even had a chance to brew, hmm?) :rolleyes: http://www.3si.org/portal/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117566&highlight=Cabo



Some humor ;)
http://www.nlsoft.com/images/cabofinal.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p3ad9cd369a447b7d1fec82dda4918baa/fcf34125.jpg

[ArchangelX]

Bwhahahaahhahaha!!!

Oh my...he doesn't look like he's... "all there". :ugh:

NICE LINKS...they're "CLASSIC"!! :thumbup:

EDIT: I re-read the article again. They really DID wail on that $45,000+ Type R, also...they made fun of it several times. :p

[larryd]

Originally posted by lafaygts
There are some DSMs that are daily driven and run high 9s so its no wonder it performed well here. I have seen some really fast 3000gt so I think that this guy must have been all talk. Althogh the engine bay in the 3000gt was pretty!

youve made two comments on this thread which just prove you have no clue what your talking about.

1) Pruven took a hell of alot longer to built that GSX then a week. Its their race car.

2) Daily drive 9 second DSMs?? First off there is only a handful of DSMs in the 9s, alot in the 10s but I feel pretty safe saying very very few are daily driven if any at all..

[S|Lv3rBu||et]

1) Pruven took a hell of alot longer to built that GSX then a week. Its their race car.


Actually larry, SCC states in the issue where they introduce the cars that:
"We called Dejan "Dan" Cokic about two weeks before USCC and asked him to bring his highly modified Eclipse to our contest of speed. He's in Connecticut. We're in California. The car was in boxes."

The article then goes on to talk about how they rebuilt the car in about 10 days. And while thats not a week, its still wildly impressive.... especially for the car that whooped everyone else's ass in straight out speed!

[ArchangelX]

It's not impressive at all to me. This is a race car...built by the tuning shop for that specific purpose. They probably know that car inside and out.

It will take Jeff Hoskinson one to two days to rebuild my FD, along with another few days for tuning on the dyno. It took only 5-6 hours to take it complety apart. That's talking from the front all the way back to the differential along with taking all of the supplemental systems apart.

And that was with him taking the time to explain every part as he removed it.

People that do that sorta work all the time can rip apart an engine, and throw it back together in only a few days.

It's times are definetly impressive though...although I am definetly curious how much he drives it on a regular basis....

[kabal57]

yea sport compact honda sux... er i mean scc
so does super honda... er i mean super street
I'm really getting sick of the whole "import scene"
talk about doing stuff to death
Dont get me wrong I love my car but those stupid rags really need to get a dose of reality..

[ArchangelX]

Nice ride Kabal...you need a drop though. :thumbup:

[kabal57]

Originally posted by ArchangelX
Nice ride Kabal...you need a drop though. :thumbup:

haha everyone that sees that pic tells me that :)
I actually do have a trd drop, but 35 series tires make the pics look alot higher than it is
irl its a little more than 2 1/2 - 3 finger gap between the wheel & fender
thanks for the compliment tho :D

[ArchangelX]

Get a couple of fat friends to sit in the trunk for a day or so....that'll take care of it. :chuckles:

(no offense to my fatty brothas... :wtc: )

[2002GT_Celica]

Originally posted by kabal57


haha everyone that sees that pic tells me that :)
I actually do have a trd drop, but 35 series tires make the pics look alot higher than it is
irl its a little more than 2 1/2 - 3 finger gap between the wheel & fender
thanks for the compliment tho :D

Put some 45 series tires on the car, that's what I did and I have virtually no gap in the front and a little in the rear with a Goldline drop. Not only that, the angle of the pic shows the wheel gap more than other angles. Very nice car though. :thumbup:

[kabal57]

thanks :D
Since I ruined one of my volks and jacked up the tire in the process, I was thinking of getting a whole new set anyway once i get the wheel repaired. The only reason I didnt go with 45 series tires the lst time around was because I was already going with a heavier wheel/tire I didnt want to have my speedo 3 miles off as well. 35's just dont have much protection tho :(