Auto GT-S's SLOW???

[chidoy]

Does everyone think that auto gt-s are all that slow? I mean granted it's an auto but it seems that a lot of people are dissing auto gt-s, die hard shifters i guess? like i said, i know it's an auto but are they that terrible? what does everyone else think?

[Mistrimeat]

Ummm...
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:rolleyes:

[chameleon]

With a good driver a stock 6 speed GTS is capable of a 14.9 1/4 mile time. A stock auto GTS is pushing 17 seconds in the 1/4 mile...

You be the judge.

[ZZT 231]

yes
it's Facking slow

[larryd]

with work they can be made quick.. nitrous and tranny work that is.. but in stock trim, there dawgs..

[2001REDCELICAGTS]

The problem is there is very little reliable info on the performance of the Auto GTS (that what we have to live with because none of the mainstream car mags have tested the Autos). I keep reading on this forum that the Auto GTS 2 to 3 seconds slower than the 6 speed in the quartet mile. Now Car and Driver has tested the 6 speed doing 15.7 in the quarter. That would make the Auto GTS a 18 second quarter miler. Just looking through the back of the recent Car and Driver shows that the Auto GTS would be slower than all of these vehicles......if themtimes mentioned here weere true.......Some of these vhehicles are heavier and with less power than the Auto GTS. ....Wearing less sporty tires....higher drag....tuned for hauling loads....



...Buick Redezvous, Chevy Venture, PT Cruiser, Daewoo Nubira, Escape and Explorer, Civic EX, Hundai Santa Fe, Kia Optima and Rio, Nissan Extera, Pontiac Aztec, every Saturn Model, Suzuki Grand Vitara and even the Totota RAV4

That just a few since I don't have the time to write down every car that's faster than 18 seconds in the quarter. I'd say take everything you read with a grain of salt. I am not a racer but I will take my Auto to the track sometime in the Summer to see what it will do. Even as a racing newbie I should do better than what is being said here.

[djm221]

Who said anything about 18 sec? Some people on here have gone to the track. They get high 16s, like 16.7 at best, some in the 17s. That is pretty slow if you ask me. And compared to the same car with a manual transmission, that does the 1/4 1.5-2 seconds faster... it's no wonder 6spders "bash" the auto for being slow. :cool:

[icyjaws]

the problem is the engine is not desgin to work with a A4 tranny. The power band is too small and it takes too long to get there in the auto's (w/o a neutal drop or maybe some serious power braking) Aslo its hard enough for the 6 spds to keep the RPM's up and its impossible for the Auto's. I'll put this on the table i'd be willing to bet the an auto GT-S and auto GT are prolly really close in the 1/4 and Auto GT's run there car?

[yakkosmurf]

Just because the magazines haven't run the auto GTS doesn't mean we don't have reliable data on it. My friend took his 6-speed to the track with someone who had an auto GTS. The 6-speed was 2 full seconds faster all day long. The 6-speed also had nearly bald tires on it at the time. Magazines don't bother with cars like the auto GTS because anyone who is buying a car like that with an automatic transmission is not concerned with performance and can get any info they would be looking for out of the review of the 6-speed.

[async]

if toyota put a 5 speed sport shift into the is300, could they have put one in the GTS? what would be the hypothetical impact?

...H

[t2000gts]

wtf are some of you guys talkin about, i've went to the track twice, and post dozens of vids of my car and GTech runs.

i recently just ran 16.614 @ 85.228mph with Injen CAI, unbolted exhaust, and removed spare. that was on my first (and only complete) run of the day with a 2.658 60' (i can't seem to crack under 2.6 60'(s)...just no off the line power). i plan to go back soon, i know i can bust a 16.4 or so with any kind of a decent launch and in even cooler weather (that was in like 45-50 F weather, cool enough, but it can get faster when it's colder). last summer i ran 16.851 @ 84.144 mph with just Injen CAI and my spare tire still in plus 75 F weather with a 2.668 60'. (BTW, this is still 2 seconds or maybe even more slower than a 6-speed. KleeftonSi with I/H/E ran 14.67 @ 93.x mph at this track, and he previously ran 15.1 with just CAI at another track in NJ, so he's around as fast...that's why i know i can hit low 16s on this track, power's there, just need to launch the ****er)

the auto GT will be a tenth or two off the auto GTS if it's driven to the limit, but the trap speed will be quite a bit slower (3-4 mph at least).

the main reason they're so similar is the auto GTS spends more than half the time it takes to do the quarter out of lift, and they both bog horribly off the line and have no low end. icyjaws is right, the A4 tranny in these cars are not made for these engines. it'd be better suited on an IS300 (which does have a 5spd offshoot) or a Supra or something.

the auto GTS (and auto GT) will do 0-60 in the 9.x second range stock. this is from numerous reports from other people, plus my own GTech testing.

i have great expectations for the underdrive pulleys in development from unorthodox and fisher concepts...they're supposed to add their power (5-8whp) across the revband, which means in the low end (2000-3000rpm) too. so not only will it help with launches, but also give it as much power as the intake. i'd hope to be firmly in low-16s with 86 or better trap speeds with the pulley set in cold weather. my goal is to hit 86-88mph traps n/a, then i'm probably gonna go nitrous.

[CelicaDetective]

Go test drive an auto GTS and a 6-speed GTS back-to-back at the dealer and you will feel the huge difference.

I first test drove the 2000 GTS auto and I was like "uhhh yeah ooookay, my Saturn is quicker"

Then I test drove the 6-speed GTS and the dealer almost **** his pants in the passenger seat :D

Mike

[BlueCeli]

I wonder what kind of times well get when we can stay in lift? hmmm...

Also someone on this board (forgot his name) but he ran a mid 14 sec quarter in his auto. Granted he did have an upgraded TC and nitrous, but you have to give him credit. Thats pretty quick for an auto gts

[yakkosmurf]

You are referring to zooq, I believe. He had exstensive work done to his engine including some head work and a 60 shot of nitrous with a torque converter upgrade. He put a lot of money in his car to make it faster than the 6-speed. And he's still only faster at the drag strip. (I realize that's what he was shooting for).

[chidoy]

so t2000gts, i am guessing you do have an auto? thanks to everyone who responded. Like i said before, i realize that it's an auto and i just wanted to see what othere thought. It seems the concensus is thtat they are SLOW!!!!

[BlueCeli]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
You are referring to zooq, I believe. He had exstensive work done to his engine including some head work and a 60 shot of nitrous with a torque converter upgrade. He put a lot of money in his car to make it faster than the 6-speed. And he's still only faster at the drag strip. (I realize that's what he was shooting for).

I just wanted to give him credit. Yes he did spend a lot of money to get that time, and maybe it wasnt worth it. To us. But you say he got head work done? Do you remember what he had done?

[The Game]

It doesnt make sense to me to put in so much money on an auto to make it as fast as the manual version. With the money spent overall you couldve bought a car thats faster than the GT-S 6 spd with out any mods:confused: :confused: :confused:

[MarkyMark]

Originally posted by chameleon
With a good driver a stock 6 speed GTS is capable of a 14.9 1/4 mile time. A stock auto GTS is pushing 17 seconds in the 1/4 mile...

You be the judge.

note: a f*cking incredible driver with a 6-speed can do a high 14.....regular drivers do mid 15s. Granted, the car is slow as sh*t anyway, so what's the point :)

[larryd]

actually your wrong there.. incredible drivers can do it in mid 14s.. and with only i/e in low 14s, average is more around 15.2.. people who are still eanring are running mid 15s..

[zooq]

i didn't do any head work, i only polished the intake manifold and put the foggers on.
i've spent almost 5000 to hit mid/low 14 here @ 3200 ft but know my celica is going to have a rest from all of the racing.
i just bought a 90 civic with a JDM ZC DOHC motor for 1800 and a greddy turbo kit for 1900. the civic should run low 13 if not high 12s.

[chidoy]

what about auto gts's with intake and exhaust, still not a little quicker?

[t2000gts]

well zooq did it the safe and sure way with direct port.

you can spend under a grand for a simple wet kit (50 shot) and be at high 14s at sea level without a torque converter or anything else but I/E.

but then it wouldn't be as safe or as reliable as direct port (but if done properly, you can go far with a wet kit.

i'm gonna start work on my car for nitrous and stuff this spring :D my goal's low-mid 14s (50 shot + torque converter eventually) and trapping at least 97 (extra 25 shot after shifts) for 2 grand total (nos kit + tc). probably more cuz i want those underdrive pulleys as well and an atf cooler.

zooq: where did you get your atf cooler and how is it mounted/setup? do you have pics?

chidoy: the I/E will make the auto GTS a little quicker on the highway. it will pull noticeably harder in vvtl-i.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by zooq
i didn't do any head work, i only polished the intake manifold and put the foggers on.
i've spent almost 5000 to hit mid/low 14 here @ 3200 ft but know my celica is going to have a rest from all of the racing.
i just bought a 90 civic with a JDM ZC DOHC motor for 1800 and a greddy turbo kit for 1900. the civic should run low 13 if not high 12s.
I remembered something done to the intake side. Thought it was the head. Thanks for correcting me and the info. Glad to hear you're still around and still having fun.

[chidoy]

hey good luck with all of that t2000, your shizzle should be off da hizzle. ???? drive safe.

[zooq]

t2000gts
the atf was a regular $100 cooler. it's mounted infront of my radiator

[Toaster]

How is direct port different than a 50 shot of nitrous? how does it work and how expensive is it to get done?