What did I get myself into?

[fastwhipyo]

There are a few guys i know that dont think the celica has a chance against anything. I started argueing with them and a guy with a stock grand am GT told me that he "knows" his car can take out the GTS 6 speed. He is one of those doosh tools that think it all depends on how many cylinders it has. "mine is a v6, so im gonna win" ya right and my dad's dually with a V10 in it cant hold its own against a civic EX. Well I got myself into a race his weekend with him and im pretty sure he wont be a real big problem. But then some kid in an 88 corvette auto (stock) was talking **** about the S2000, i did some research and found that the 88 auto's were only running around 15 seconds. I told him that the S2000 would hand him his ass and that I even had a chance, He took the bet and now i have two guys to go up against and im starting to regret it, I might have been overconfident and now like 40 peeps are gonna be there! What do you guys think? Do I have a chance in either of these races and has anyone raced an 86-88 corvette auto? O ya, we got an S2000 girl to join us so maybe ill have a go at that too so that if i dont show up the vette, she will.

Celica GTS 6 speed TRD ex/injen CAI

[da wacky paki]

just "visualize the win" ... u should beat the grand am easily (if you can drive) and the vette (if it runs 15s) should be another easy win.. dont fret over it too much... and if you do lose, you can always run away :)

[CAMmed]

i dont think you sould have a very hard time with the grand am gt but with the vette even though it doesnt run the best times, it has torque which will catapult him off the line...if he know how to do it right. so youd better get a text book launch with the revs above 5k the hole time to get on the big cam quick, and hope he cant launch and sits and spins. now if you ran him from a role while on the big cam things should be better for you. good luck and let us know how it goes.

[fastwhipyo]

O ya, i forgot to mention that, I will definetly post the outcome hopefully this weekend if the weather permits it. If not then we will probably shoot for next weekend

[djm221]

Where are you doing this??

[t2000gts]

whoever's driving that S2000 needs to practice launching. that will make or break it's time.

practice launching at high rpm on that car.

same for you too really.

[fastwhipyo]

same for you too really.



Ya I found that out the hard way, I was racing a moded integra (non vtech), he had a bunch of stuff done but nothing significant like turbo or NOS, he started it by reving and obvioulsy didnt know what he was up against. I got too excited and droped the clutch to fast at like 4K and just smoked the tires, then i ****ed up and shifted wayyyyyy to early becuase when i hit redline i didnt realize i was still spinning the tires (I know I know, It was a stupid ass mistake) and landed 2nd below 5K (haha, this was a while ago) I felt like a retard but by the time lift came (felt like forever) i started pullen the 2 car length lead he had closer and by 80 i passed him like he wasnt moving. After I slowed down he got all excited because i think he thought i had NOS becuase of the way I passed him.

[racinjason]

Let me drive your car and We'll smoke the Grand Am by over a second and the Vette by half a second. LOL Slip the clutch out at 4500 while holding up the RPM's. Then shift those gears quick but lightly. Don't force em. You have his ass! And his money. Then you can take the girl in the S2000 home if you like. LOL

[FastDriver]

I think that vette is going to give you a harder time than everyone else here expects. They were capable of 14second times, believe it or not. And I believe that you should race him from a stop. If you race from a roll those extra cubes are going to start putting a hurtin' on you. From a stop you have a chance of outrunning him. He has the consistancy on his side. You better hope that he doesn't know how to launch that auto or it'll get ugly real quick.

The GT shouldn't cause much of a problem for you if you are a good driver. They are all autos, and don't launch well.

Let us know about the vette,

Chris

[ZZT 231]

well
from my experience, i'd say S2000 is a fewkin hard car to launch
u need to rev real high to get the power out
i heard if drivn properly, is can smoke a porche boxer-S (i $hit u not, it was in car'n driver or some magazine i read)
the grand am i'm not sure about
but if the auto corvette is 15 seconds, with good practice, i'm sure u can beat it
but remember "it doesn't matter if u win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning." ^_^

[dstanggt50]

I personally think that if you race the vette off the line (in the gt-s) and the car half @ss runs right, he gonna get you. More torque, more hp, just because its an older vette doesn't mean its not fast. I dont' know about the vette vs a s2000 though.,

[celica gte racing]

Originally posted by ZZT 231
well
from my experience, i'd say S2000 is a fewkin hard car to launch
u need to rev real high to get the power out
i heard if drivn properly, is can smoke a porche boxer-S (i $hit u not, it was in car'n driver or some magazine i read)
the grand am i'm not sure about
but if the auto corvette is 15 seconds, with good practice, i'm sure u can beat it
but remember "it doesn't matter if u win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning." ^_^

what u talking about? of course an S2000 is faster than a boxter

[ZZT 231]

u'r telling me that u don't find it even a bit surprizing that a japanese inline-4 car can beat boxster-S, plus, that's if it's driven properly, i think 0.5 diff in 0-60 that's all i remember

[ZeroGTS]

I can beat an S2000 in my celica.
I have both Celica and s2000.
My celica Wins up to about 90.
Haven't had the balls to play up to there.
This is usually from a roll since i dont trust friends to launch EITHER of our cars.


But yes...my celica pulled on the s2000 fairly steadily.
Im sure if the s2000 had a few more mods it might have helped...but i hear mods dont do very much at all on the s2k.

i dont know for sure.

All i know is i beat 3 of them..mine, my friends silver with red and a yellow one.


s2000 is a bitch to launch corectly. you can do the dump from 6k
or you can slip it from higher..but usually youll just burn clutch and it wont grab at all from that high.
trust me...its not good.

[fastwhipyo]

First off, i finally got to race with the GAGT, it was no contest, he totally was taken off gaurd. Actually we were going to go find a place to race, and on the way I was toying with him and before we even got to the race spot he decided it wasnt worth the risk of the ticket, he knew he was gonna loose, hehehe. now i need to get this guy in the vette to come out.

second off, i did some research on the S2000, I looked at a dyno sheet of one and it MUST have been wrong, it said that it was only puttin down like 165HP to the ground....thats like 30% driveline loss....is that possible. Is honda THAT bad at building rear wheel drive cars or what? Or was there something wrong with the dyno sheet...Ill try and find the web site again where the dyno was if anyone is interested in seeing it.

[djm221]

Originally posted by fastwhipyo
First off, i finally got to race with the GAGT, it was no contest, he totally was taken off gaurd. Actually we were going to go find a place to race, and on the way I was toying with him and before we even got to the race spot he decided it wasnt worth the risk of the ticket, he knew he was gonna loose, hehehe. now i need to get this guy in the vette to come out.

second off, i did some research on the S2000, I looked at a dyno sheet of one and it MUST have been wrong, it said that it was only puttin down like 165HP to the ground....thats like 30% driveline loss....is that possible. Is honda THAT bad at building rear wheel drive cars or what? Or was there something wrong with the dyno sheet...Ill try and find the web site again where the dyno was if anyone is interested in seeing it.
There was something wrong with what you looked at. Stock, they do 195-200WHP. On top of that, many of the S2000 owners on their site claim that the 2800lbs Honda publishes is overrated, they say it is more like 2650-2700lbs ( or so, my numbers aren't exact, of course, neither are theirs) I will know soon enough how fast that thing is when my dad gets one in April.

[fastwhipyo]

http://www.autospeed.com/A_0911/P_2/article.html


Check it out, it says very clearly that the dyno showed 152 at the ground, this is with tire and driveline loss but i thought thats what they all were...it also says that they pick up like 20hp from an exaust, so look out for S2000's with cusom exaust. I think they broke there dyno.

[djm221]

That was done in Australia, or somewhere in Europe where they use different dynos than typically found in the US. Note the guy said they typically see 30% drivetrain losses. Here, it's more like 15% on the dynos.
Also, all I ever hear is that basic mods like intake and exhause do basically nothing for the S2000, that engine is strung out pretty far. Not that I spent much time on S2000online.com, but from what I gather, there is no way an exhaust is giving 20HP.

[TRDtuner]

so whats up with the vette race ? i'll tell you from my exp w vettes the auto will take you off the line if he can drive, so you gotta launch right if your gonna have a chance. I hope you can do it cause the braggin will be righteous. itll look most excellent on your reseame dude

[cjbaldw]

Originally posted by TRDtuner
so whats up with the vette race ? i'll tell you from my exp w vettes the auto will take you off the line if he can drive, so you gotta launch right if your gonna have a chance. I hope you can do it cause the braggin will be righteous. itll look most excellent on your reseame dude

Um, what year vette are we talking about here? Are we really saying that any model Celica w/o FI even has a prayer of keeping up with an LS1 Vette, whether automatic or otherwise? Even the auto LS1 Vettes are capable of high 12's with an automatic tranny. What are we talking about here? :confused:

EDIT: Ah, 88 model year :) Well, you probably have a decent chance against that model year. The Vettes of those years ran low 6 second 60MPH and mid 14's in the 1/4, even with the automatic tranny. The manual trannies back in the 80's didn't really buy any better times, they weren't that great of a tranny.

[fastwhipyo]

get this, i went to the movies this weekend and the kid with the vette was there, when i was leaving the theater i asked him if he wanted to wait for me and race a lil on the way home. He kinda blew me off and when I got out to my car and went over to were he was....i couldnt find him. talked to him in school this week and he said he didnt feel like racing that night...pffffff...I think its running bad or something and he was too ashamed to admit it. I told him im still interested and made it sound like he would whoop me but that i just wanted to see how far behind i will be. If it doesnt rain fri night we are gonna shoot for then. But im a whole lot more confident now that im pretty sure he is scared to race for some reason, either that or he thought that it was gonna be too risky for nothing...hehe, man i hope i can pull this off. either way i dont really care and i dont really expect to win, but hopefully we will do this this weekend, ill **** my pants if i win. The girl in the S2000 backed into a mailbox a few days ago (girls) and her car is in the shop. so she wont be there fri.

[CamelToes]

You still looking for that corvette to run against ya? I live in northern va too. I live around the springfield, fairfax, alexandria type deal if you want to run lemme know. My email address is pete@hfstival.com.

Here's a vid of my car courtesy of thexerox
car vid (http://bethejudge.com/movies/messinaround.mpg)

Pete

corvette, auto, BONE STOCK

[blairjbird]

run that vette i think that gt-s is an auto

[gts24]

The person with the grand am gt sounds like the kinda people in this area. Stupid. No research just dumb assumptions based on pure stupidity ...... about us "only" having a 1.8 liter engine....

pfftttt

[fastwhipyo]

haha, ya, It put a HUGE smile on my face to show that guy up without even having to actually race him. As for the vette, im still trying to get him to race, but he is kind of a dorky kid you know? and he doesnt ever do anything. He is ugly so he doesnt have a girlfriend to go out with and his friends are all dorks. The kid thinks his car runs high 12's and will only loose by a car length or two to a Z06 (after that statement i made sure that he only has the L98 engine, and he does, no mods except for rotted out flowmasters that are like 10 years old, hehe) He has no clue and although his 350LBFT of torque will launch him into high heavin....after he gets rolling he will need all 240HP of that thing to keep on moving...I know i dont have too great of a chance, but i am pretty confident in the S2000 winning in the long run (100+mph). As far as the s2000 goes,its fixed and we have aranged for her bro to drive it this weekend, if only it actually goes through this time, this is like the 4th attempt. if the race happens on sat you will know sat night becuase i will race back home to post the results. even if I can stay a car or two length behind him, it will prove his car isnt running no 12's....or i can just claim that mine is running 13 flat, hehe

[CamelToes]

Yes that celica was an auto GTS. But i'm still around if you ever want to chance it ;)

pete@voltron.slowasballs.com

[Pribilof]

The vette should be no problem. I raced my friend's '89 IROC with a '89 vette engine. Both our cars were stock other than his engine. I killed him. His tranny sucks. It can't stay in the powerband for crap. Go smoke that vette.

[CamelToes]

I'm still waiting....

pete@voltron.slowasballs.com

vids (http://www.bethejudge.com/movies)

[O2BQIK]

Originally posted by celica gte racing


what u talking about? of course an S2000 is faster than a boxter

He said "Boxster S" that's a whole different animal friend ;)

I think the GTS would stand a good chance against the Vette, depending on the driver and the condition of the Vette. The L98 is no laughing matter at low speeds, but falls down the faster you take the race up to. Especially being an auto, you stand your best chance if you can get him to race from a roll and stay in it as long as you can.

Regarding the S2000 with exhaust breaking the dyno with 175 rwhp... all i gots ta say is ROFLMAO!! :rofl: ;)

[S2000Wisconsin]

An S2000 can beat both the boxster and boxster S. But it is also vice versa. They are really close in performance that it will come down to driver. However, the Boxster is a little slower and a little easier.

If you are racing the vette with the S2000 practice a drop or two. Drop at about 5k (since you aren't used to the car) and you should be fine. That year vettes are slower and run 14's-15's. Even if you do a bad start, in the long run you will win because you will pull on him all day.

What year is her S2000?? Another tip is 2nd gear tends to grind on the S2000 since 1st gear usually bounces off the rev limiter. Either shift at 8500rpm in 1st gear, or pause just split second before you shift to 2nd.

S2000's dyno at 195-205whp. An exhaust does very little since the stock exhaust is extremely good. Unless you get a mugen and you get a little hp increase, but lose a whopping 24lbs. (mugen exhuast is only 6lbs) There is no exhaust that an S gets 20hp. with I/H/E an S2000 will gain maybe 15whp.

ZeroGTS, what mods are done to your car that you can beat an S?? :)