Anyone knowledgeable on turbo eclipses?

[Uncle Ben's White Rice]

I am thinking of getting an eclipse, turbo of course, from '97-'99 and I don't know too much about them. I just can't see myself picking one up w/o a little knowledge beforehand. What advantages/disadvantages between a GST and a GSX, performance and reliability wise. Are these cars known for any major problems I should look out for? Any info/suggestions/comments/opinions will be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks in advance!:)

PS. Also what kind of prices should I be looking for?

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by Uncle Ben's White Rice
I am thinking of getting an eclipse, turbo of course, from '97-'99 and I don't know too much about them. I just can't see myself picking one up w/o a little knowledge beforehand. What advantages/disadvantages between a GST and a GSX, performance and reliability wise. Are these cars known for any major problems I should look out for? Any info/suggestions/comments/opinions will be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks in advance!:)

PS. Also what kind of prices should I be looking for?

GST's are...well not to piss larry off..but the leser desired turbo model..go with a gsx and you get awd, which helps you outlaunch nearly everything on the street and track ceot pro stock rwd's and such running slicks and lot smore power...hehe..it also has better handling, and inclimate weather traction. with the gs-t youll experience lots of torque steer, difficult launches, little traction, and a poorer handling car than the gsx. but on the highway, teh gs-t with same mods will walk over a gsx since its lighter due to not having awd. so its your choice of what you want..for a drag car and autocrosser, id go with a gsx hands down..for a highway king, or roll race king, gs-t is the way to go.

performance wise, the 4g63 turbo engine thats found in both models is the best turbo'd 4 cylinder engine ever...period. its durability and power can be matched by a few, but its aftermarket and bang for teh buck is matched by none others.

my opinion/comments/suggestions..

get teh gsx 5 speed, go to www.clubdsm.com and read the newbie FAQ's, and RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH those pages and webpages..then for parts go to www.bushurracing.com

youl save money, have the innovator of dsm performance on your side with hsi knowledge and expertise, and be fast as hell.

now, what i'd do if i were you is check out clubdsm.com and start reading, you've got a bit to learn..but as far as imports go, you're picking one of the "right" ones to pick for speed, performance, and most of all, bang for the buck potential.

[Uncle Ben's White Rice]

Thanks a lot, very informative!

[SlasherX]

np..i love dsm's..excellent potential in them..nevermind they look good too. :)

[larryd]

yeha it really depends on what you want.. I wanted a GSX but couldnt find a decent one in the right price range anywhere around here for over 2 weeks..so I went with the GST..do I regret it..not at all.. love the car to death.. soon it will outhandle my old celica :)..as for launching..damn its a pain in the ass..but I also love top end and thats something hte GSX lacks..

for info on DSMs you really should read www.dsmtalk.com ,just like nc.org but for DSMs ;)

[Arghman]

i used to have a 1990 GST and damn, I loved that car. I dunno what others think, but after driving my celica, the torque steer on that car was a lot of fun. I would always have trouble spinning my tires thru first gear cuz that car had so much power. I tried a 96 GST convertible and it was pretty dope too, but it didnt seem as well put together as my old eclipse. It was kinda rattly and uncomfy or something....But yeah, if you are wanting to get a lot of power for a little $$, turbo eclipses are amazing in that aspect. Good luck !

[4.6POWER]

uncle ben.. all of these guys are right. I'm surprised nobody mentioned it yet though... all of the 95-99 turbo models will develop crank walk sooner or later. What happens is the crank end play increases beyond it's normal spec limit. The crank begins eating away at the thrust bearing... sending bits of metal throughout the motor. Most of the 95-96 cars developed this under warrenty and got new cranks & bearings. But, the problem reoccurs in almost every instance. 97's and up don't have all that mileage yet so not many have had it yet. This is a very real and expensive problem... you should go to those links above that were posted and research it. I'm putting a new engine in my 95 Tsi now... j. szabo of world racing just did the same thing to his 95 gsx. Get the car with a warranty... or get a broken car cheap and have a <95 motor put into it. There is also a TSB on this put out by mitsubishi. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news,

Joe

[RCKid]

If I had a dollar for every person that makes crankwalk out like it is the end of the 2G, I'd be a millionaire. Does the 2G get it? Yes. Does every 2G get it? NO! Is it repairable? YES! I personally know over 300 2G owners and out of them, only 5 have gotten crankwalk. Of those 5, 2 replaced the motor with a 1G motor, 1 just changes the bearings every year, and the other 2 repaired their existing engines. Not one of them has gotten it again, including the one who just changes the bearings. All of the cars were 12 second or faster cars. It happens. It is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. Not all cars get it. My 2G with 100K modified miles doesn't have it. Just know there is a POSSIBILITY it can happen when you buy the car and hope for the best. but do know there are a couple ways to fix it and they aren't all that expensive. Yes, crankwalk is a problem that should not happen, but it does and Mitsubishi sucks in their service and claiming responsibilty for it.If you really want to get an Eclipse, don't let it stop you.

Buy the car if you want it. you will love it. It is fast, can handle, comfortable, and rides nice for a little rice burner.

[4.6POWER]

RCkid your post is absolute B.S. I can't believe you take that tone with me... I didn't make it out like he should not buy the car nor is it the end of the 2G. I just said to educate yourself and get a inexpensive warrenty to protect yourself.

5 out of 300 people? I don't think you know your friends so well then, the percentage is much higher than that. Regardless, Uncle ben... you needed to know about this, and it was an excellant question to ask. Now you have the info and can decide for yourself. I also agree with the RCkid so much as I hate his post... don't let it stop you from buying one, it's a cool car to own :). Later,

Joe

[bLaH1031]

4.6POWER is absolutely right.. dont let is stop u from buying it but at least know what yer getting into.. i was gonna orginally get a 99 GSX instead of the celica.. i recently heard that about 30-40% of them get it eventually.. its about $3000 to fix and the worst thing is.. it can happen again.. i did so much research on this its not even funny.. sure u can swap engines.. for me that wasnt something i wanted to get into considering my knowledge of cars consist of barely being able to change the headlights.. ok im exagerating alot but thats not the point.. the point is just be aware of it.. i love my celica but when i see that mean pissed off looking GSX rolling by it hurts.. :(

[larryd]

hmm.. i was gonna post that.. infact it hought i did..musta slipped my mind :)

[Uncle Ben's White Rice]

Thanks guys for being honest w/ me, I really appreciate all the feedback! I have all of my questions answered and any new ones can be answered by the new forums that some of you told me about. Thanks again!:)