Our car is really getting boring....

[Arghman]

I don't know how you guys are feeling about the Celica lately, but to me it's getting really damn boring. All the excitement on the boards comes from someone asking a question like "What kinda music do you like?" or from some news on a turbo that is never gonna come, but if it does will only be affordable to like 10 people on the boards. I know I'm being really negative, but when I look at my friend's VW board, every day there like 3 new pages of posts and he can spend hours looking at it. On any of our boards its like max 5 new messages about something uninteresting and unexciting.
Our aftermarket is a bluthering piece of crap right now and I'm seriously wishing I never got rid of my old car. The Celica is a fun dope car, and I love it a lot, but you'd think after almost 3 years of sales there would be more diversity than just intakes, exhausts and kits for it. Is anyone else feeling the same way? I'm not bashing the boards or the people on them, I'm just saying that our community and the aftermarket really are not any fun anymore.

[GeeTeeEss]

Ain't no one told you...?

<a href="http://newcelica.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=6">Where all the fun is at!</a>

[XskoopX]

The aftermarket is slowly building up for the Celica. But TRD will come out with parts as soon as Chris Rado's cars up and running, cams are on it's way, pistons and sleeves are built. If you want parts, you shouldn't complain. You can easily take your car and get things customized.

But I certainly do feel on you on the movement of the aftermarket, theres not sooo much to go around.

Just be patient. Because thats all we can do. :sad :sad

[Keyshawn]

Arghman,
I agree with your post 100%. Our aftermarket is so much worse than I had anticipated. I have to be honest, if I knew the Celica's aftermarket was going to be like this, I wouldn't have bought one. Would've just saved some more and gotten a used Supra TT. Since it's not economically feasable for me to sell the Celi, I'm doing the only thing I can do: actively try to improve our aftermarket myself. I'm sure if there are enough of us committed to this, we can make a change eventually. I just get tired of it all sometimes.

[Arghman]

Thanks Keyshawn. Another thing is like back before i got a celica i would look at Sport Compact Car and read the Best 10 Cars thing. It was always liek "This car is awesome and it will be an amazing force in the aftermarket" and all this crap. I marvel at how little coverage our car gets in magazines. I don't know why the hell it gets so little. Yeah I tihnk it will be better in a couple of years, but also the newer celicas are being all detuned to protect from misshifts (to my understanding) and all this bullcrap so it's like what the hell do i have to look forward to for this car, u know?

[djTOY_2000]

the best aftermarket i've truly found for the celicas......


the "after the ride back to my place" market !! hehe



the celica deffinetly has the looks that can get the........

but for performance market....... yep, thats a joke !!

[jotan82]

I think our car has a decent size after market... there are big selection of kits out there.... if you say no... WHO ON THIS BOARD HAS an EXTREMOR kit??? if no one... YOU CAN BE THE FIRST!!!

exhaust, every company makes one for our car... intakes... alot, wheels well... wheels are wheels

interior, well usually interior is at the drivers discression...

the ONLY factor that SLOWS DOWN (not haults) our UNDER THE HOOD mods is the high compression in the 2zz... if not for this... EVERY COMPANY would have a turbo... i think...

our cars not only attract attention of people on the street cuz it's so dam sexy, it also attracts the attention of big name companies... problem is... apexi can only put so many controllers and gauges, greddy the same... the problem is FORCE INDUCTION.... NOT the aftermarket themselves

but even with the problem with 11.5:1 compression, you think this wills top us??? i know it's not gonna stop me!!! :D

don't be so negative, NO BODY KITS AVAILABLE? go to your local body shop and pay for a custom kit... honestly molding a lip or a custom cut out or two won't be OUTRAGEOUSLY price as you might think... go to a respectable body shop and they'll gladly work on your gorgious car...

i think everyone should stop waiting for BIG NAME companies to worry bout us... DO IT YOUR DAM self... setup your custom turbo, and design your wide body kit...

anyone agree? or am i just insane?

[gts24]

Originally posted by jotan82
I think our car has a decent size after market... there are big selection of kits out there.... if you say no... WHO ON THIS BOARD HAS an EXTREMOR kit??? if no one... YOU CAN BE THE FIRST!!!

exhaust, every company makes one for our car... intakes... alot, wheels well... wheels are wheels

interior, well usually interior is at the drivers discression...

the ONLY factor that SLOWS DOWN (not haults) our UNDER THE HOOD mods is the high compression in the 2zz... if not for this... EVERY COMPANY would have a turbo... i think...

our cars not only attract attention of people on the street cuz it's so dam sexy, it also attracts the attention of big name companies... problem is... apexi can only put so many controllers and gauges, greddy the same... the problem is FORCE INDUCTION.... NOT the aftermarket themselves

but even with the problem with 11.5:1 compression, you think this wills top us??? i know it's not gonna stop me!!! :D

don't be so negative, NO BODY KITS AVAILABLE? go to your local body shop and pay for a custom kit... honestly molding a lip or a custom cut out or two won't be OUTRAGEOUSLY price as you might think... go to a respectable body shop and they'll gladly work on your gorgious car...

i think everyone should stop waiting for BIG NAME companies to worry bout us... DO IT YOUR DAM self... setup your custom turbo, and design your wide body kit...

anyone agree? or am i just insane?

Not insane. I must say this is a good way to look at it. I am hoping that my efforts with the turbo do not go in vain. Custom is a great way to go, but what I am looking for here is a company that will build a kit for the turbo, as seen in the mods section. To be honest though, if this turbo thing falls through, I'm just about done with the fight, my car would be easy to sell and at least break even with my loan at this point. The big thing here is that this kit looks as though it's going to go through, this company is dedicated to making a kit that works. I think the big thing with custom Forced Induction is that people are nervous about that as a whole. It's nice to have the happy happy feeling of installing a kit that has been battle tested and met some sort of standards for production.

[static]

I don't know man. If you wanted to buy a car u can transform into some abomination by modding it to all hell, you should have bought a honda. Fact is, even after 2.5 years or so.. our car STILL turns heads on the streets. Look around once whenever u make a turn and watch how many people look. This car is still and eyecatcher, and the good news is that you're sitting in it. There are people out there looking at you, wishing they could be in your place, but your complaining....

Brand new engine, trans, everything.. what did you expect exactly? Plus, personally, I don't think Toyota is too friendly to aftermarket companies.. and that is a reason why things are so slow coming.

[racinjason]

I think you guys need to stop your whining about the aftermarket thing. I see all this complaining about "we got nothing". We got plenty compared to many vehicles on the street. But nobody says what they want besides a turbo kit. Which there is one available through XS. It's still tough to get right now. Because of the newer technology and engine specs we have(returnless fuel systems newer picky ECUs, upgraded emmisions standards, higher compression, etc. etc.). It's not going to be any easier for the RSX, Civic, or many of the other new cars to keep emissions legal and satisfy the ECU. Hell you see what happens to these new cars when you put a dam intake on, the CEL comes on once in a while. Sure Greddy and HKS might have shown them at the auto shows on RSX's etc. but it's still a LONG ways off from hitting the street for those cars. There are hundreds of parts available and made specifically for the Celica. I know that if there is anything I want to do to the car it is available for me to do. We got loads of body kits. I stopped counted over a year ago at 15 different kits I saw available I know there is more. We got plenty of exhausts, intakes, suspension systems, bushings, camber kits, sway bars, strut bars, lower arm bars, springs out the butt, dash kits, seats are universal, roll cages, stereo is easy. We got LSD's, short shifters, brake upgrades from the likes of Bembo, pads, steel braided brake lines, engine dress up pieces. There are clear corners, wings in all styles, hell we got clear gas cap lids! Engine internals are always the last thing to filter in. But if you are really serious about internals you can buy pistons, rods, and get serious motor work done at any knowledgable and serious tuner. These motors are also very different and have eliminated some things common to many tuners and enthusiasts such as plug wires(there are none), Plugs(we come stock with iridium plugs), cam gears- an exhaust cam gear can be created but it's going to be more difficult to build and very expensive since we use timing chains instead of belts so you need a two piece sliding design with a lock. Some pulley kits are here and there are more to come. Head work can be done by many great companies and there are represenitives that have already offered to work on our heads. Cranks can be reworked for better performance. We must give companies more time to designs and test engine internals. It's not like bolt on mods or other parts. These have to be just right or you can have BIG problems. And TRD and other companies are working on making these available to us. These parts aren't going to come any easier for other such as the RSX. These guys are screaming cause they only got 2 intakes available that are worth anything. I'm just tired of you guys complaining. What the hell else do you want. Hell buy an all-trac or an MR2 and see how big your market is for parts. You make me sick whining that "we don't have anything to choose from" Hell I got nearly $10,000 in my car and I still got alot to do and there are parts available for me to do it too. Get off your ass and talk to a tuner or buy ****! I am sure there is ALOT you have not bought for your car yet that you can.

[Celica RZ]

Originally posted by XskoopX
The aftermarket is slowly building up for the Celica. But TRD will come out with parts as soon as Chris Rado's cars up and running, cams are on it's way, pistons and sleeves are built. If you want parts, you shouldn't complain. You can easily take your car and get things customized.

But I certainly do feel on you on the movement of the aftermarket, theres not sooo much to go around.

Just be patient. Because thats all we can do. :sad :sad

TRD is not going to be using the 2zzge for Rado's campaign. they're planning on using either the 3s or 3rz (something like that)

[racinjason]

Yes. Rado and the World Racing Team are using the 2ZZGE powerplant. Other teams and engine builders have showcased 2ZZGE turbo drag motors at shows.

I agree with some of the things that are being said. Like I wanted a Celica for 2 years. Toyota never has any sales on them. They only have sales on there stupid camery and corolla. Also they never show ads on TV for them. Maybe thats why I got it cause it's not like a Honda Civic when every where you turn there's one next to you. Now don't get my wrong the civic is cool. My fiance has one and he's putting tons of Mods on it. Which I'm kinda jealous of, but I still Love my celica. It fits my personality. Fun and sporty.

go to my web page. i have a pic of me and my celica on one of my picture pages.

[Arghman]

RacinJason, I didn't really mean to focus on how our aftermarket is growing as much as how our community isn't so much fun anymore. Like I was saying, check out the VW boards (vwvortex) and you will find that there are like at least 1.5 new pages of posts almost every day and it's usually interesting stuff. On any celica board nowadays the most you'll see is like 10 new posts in a day. I know we are still growing, but I don't see much more coming.

[DaksGT]

Originally posted by racinjason
I think you guys need to stop your whining about the aftermarket thing. I see all this complaining about "we got nothing". We got plenty compared to many vehicles on the street. But nobody says what they want besides a turbo kit. Which there is one available through XS. It's still tough to get right now. Because of the newer technology and engine specs we have(returnless fuel systems newer picky ECUs, upgraded emmisions standards, higher compression, etc. etc.). It's not going to be any easier for the RSX, Civic, or many of the other new cars to keep emissions legal and satisfy the ECU. Hell you see what happens to these new cars when you put a dam intake on, the CEL comes on once in a while. Sure Greddy and HKS might have shown them at the auto shows on RSX's etc. but it's still a LONG ways off from hitting the street for those cars. There are hundreds of parts available and made specifically for the Celica. I know that if there is anything I want to do to the car it is available for me to do. We got loads of body kits. I stopped counted over a year ago at 15 different kits I saw available I know there is more. We got plenty of exhausts, intakes, suspension systems, bushings, camber kits, sway bars, strut bars, lower arm bars, springs out the butt, dash kits, seats are universal, roll cages, stereo is easy. We got LSD's, short shifters, brake upgrades from the likes of Bembo, pads, steel braided brake lines, engine dress up pieces. There are clear corners, wings in all styles, hell we got clear gas cap lids! Engine internals are always the last thing to filter in. But if you are really serious about internals you can buy pistons, rods, and get serious motor work done at any knowledgable and serious tuner. These motors are also very different and have eliminated some things common to many tuners and enthusiasts such as plug wires(there are none), Plugs(we come stock with iridium plugs), cam gears- an exhaust cam gear can be created but it's going to be more difficult to build and very expensive since we use timing chains instead of belts so you need a two piece sliding design with a lock. Some pulley kits are here and there are more to come. Head work can be done by many great companies and there are represenitives that have already offered to work on our heads. Cranks can be reworked for better performance. We must give companies more time to designs and test engine internals. It's not like bolt on mods or other parts. These have to be just right or you can have BIG problems. And TRD and other companies are working on making these available to us. These parts aren't going to come any easier for other such as the RSX. These guys are screaming cause they only got 2 intakes available that are worth anything. I'm just tired of you guys complaining. What the hell else do you want. Hell buy an all-trac or an MR2 and see how big your market is for parts. You make me sick whining that "we don't have anything to choose from" Hell I got nearly $10,000 in my car and I still got alot to do and there are parts available for me to do it too. Get off your ass and talk to a tuner or buy ****! I am sure there is ALOT you have not bought for your car yet that you can.
I feel the same way a 100%

[Celica RZ]

Originally posted by racinjason
Yes. Rado and the World Racing Team are using the 2ZZGE powerplant. Other teams and engine builders have showcased 2ZZGE turbo drag motors at shows.

I think you missed the post that Team World Racing posted in the Mods forum then.....they stated that they were not going to be using the 2zz because it could not meet the 1000hp (700whp)that they had hoped for.

[yakkosmurf]

The board is as fun as people want to make it. I'm currently not doing much with my car, except waiting to get it fixed. So I'm not going to be talking much about new parts, etc. I'm also working on wedding plans, so that's taking time. It just depends what people are doing.

[Arghman]

RacinJason, I didn't really mean to focus on how our aftermarket is growing as much as how our community isn't so much fun anymore. Like I was saying, check out the VW boards (vwvortex) and you will find that there are like at least 1.5 new pages of posts almost every day and it's usually interesting stuff. On any celica board nowadays the most you'll see is like 10 new posts in a day. I know we are still growing, but I don't see much more coming.

[Lilsupra]

Sounds like yur goin through MODDERS depression...hmm save ur money, work and work more, BUY a freaking turbo.....yu will be cured...ur gonna want to tell us all...this site doesnt have to be fun..its called informative...maybe u go on too much.

[Keyshawn]

I disagree with people that think that just because you have the opinion that our aftermarket is weak, that you are "whining." I have corresponded with many people in the import industry (such as Dave Coleman, editor at Sport Compact Car) and they say the same thing. There simply is not much out there as far as performance engine products for our car. Are those people whining, too? No. It's their opinion, as it is my opinion. And an informed one at that. Many agree with it, many don't. I ain't badmouthing anyone that disagrees with me. I back up my opinion by trying to do something to change a situation that is unsatisfactory to me. Plain and simple.

[kabal57]

one thing I thought I'd add to all this regarding the aftermarket parts, Correct me if I'm wrong, But isn't part of the reason why development on engine parts for the Celi is so slow because it's a brand new engine? Doesn't it take time to get to know the engine characteristics and all that? development also includes QC if im not mistaken, so they have to make sure whatever they make will work properly for X amount of time, blah blah
I think part of the reason there are soooo many honda parts is because they are all interchangeable, I'm no honda expert, but haven't they been using the same engine/chassis combos for the last decade almost? I mean christ, half of their cars are the same except for the badge and a few tweaks..
Our cars most definately are still eye-catchers, so I'm not worried about slow aftermarket development, there is always more stuff to buy than I have money for, and im sure thats the case with almost everyone else too
so just chill.....:D
we'll have everything we want/need soon enough
And we'll still look better than most everyone else too :)

[DopeGTS]

Too add my .02 in here. Some of you people bitch and complain that you don't have this or that. You should be happy you have the money for any ****in mods. I myself am too occupied with bills to even think of puttin money into my car. Hell it took me almost a year to just a exhaust.. So for me to see some of you bitching is quite pathetic. Grow the **** up, learn to respect what you have and what others don't. That's my opinion, if I pissed any of you off... oh well..

PS
there is one word my father always tells me and I still need to learn this as well as a lot of you, PATIENCE!! Nothing comes overnight...

It took my 2 years to save up money for my celica. Not even the total amount. just enough so i could afford the payments. I love my car the way it is. And knowing that it took me so long to save up for it. makes me love it that much more. Yes it is true: Patience is a virtue

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

Don't know about you guys but I seem to find most of the aftermarket parts that I want. If theres somthin I want and can't find I start wonderin how I can make it. (leather dash to match my seats-lookin at pawn shops for trenchcoats with same finish, little time and effort and ta-da ..'custom')
Actually, I find most posts herein interesting, and I find I'm learning some too.

The Celica, the Boards, the aftermarket...I'm appreciative!

[Mjolnir]

Being a fellow Celica owner, Here's what I will offer to do for you.

My buddy has a 1991 Honda Civic. It has a mere 187,000 miles on the odo, but he has never done ANY modifications to it. As you know you can REALLY RICE THIS BABY OUT, so I will work a deal with you to make an even swap for his car. Problem solved. You get rid of that BORING Celica and get to spend the rest of your days putting on body kits and Wings and Rims and Turbo's and anything else your little heart desires in a vain attempt to make it 1/100th as cool as a stock Celica.

Just forward your address and make final payment on your Celica and I will arrange the swap.

Hey, what are friends for....

[larryd]

Originally posted by Arghman
RacinJason, I didn't really mean to focus on how our aftermarket is growing as much as how our community isn't so much fun anymore. Like I was saying, check out the VW boards (vwvortex) and you will find that there are like at least 1.5 new pages of posts almost every day and it's usually interesting stuff. On any celica board nowadays the most you'll see is like 10 new posts in a day. I know we are still growing, but I don't see much more coming.

your reading the forum WAY to often then.. I run stats on the site every day and its just as high now as ever been.. I read the site about once a day since I work ngihts now and everytime I read it mods is on the 2nd page and gen discussion is on the end of the 1st.. so plenty of posts..

as for parts. man.. there is soo much **** in the works for the car right now.. all i can say is be patient.. many turbo kits and n/a stuff will be available really soon.. bodykits and stuff..haha.. i think the celicas have the market cornered on options for bodyskits :)

[racinjason]

Arghman. There are plenty of posts on here everyday. Like Larry says there are pages of new posts in many sections. Its as much fun and exciting as it was for me as it was a year ago. It's different for everyone. You can't keep a high level of excitement for everyone all the time either. Our motor has been on the market for just over two years now. Give it some time. Some engine internals have been available for out motors for a while. Look at what Titan has had available for us probably before you even bought you Celica. The Honda, VW motors have been on the market for a while now. Of course these groups are going to have plenty to choose from for internals. Don't expect the Kseries Acura/Honda motors to just explode with products and pass us in the 6 months. It doesn't happen that fast. The reason why I use the term "Whining" is because I see this thread and ones exactly like it regularly on here. I get tired of seeing it. Some guys on here do something about it and contact companies and check to see what's in the works or close to being released. Others just say how they can buy that $2000 turbo kit yet and they hate thier Celica cause it's boring. Some of you think we should have this huge assortment of mods available just like the Hondas etc. We do for the most part except for the internal and forced induction systems which I have explained earlier are going to take some time. Unless you don;t mind buying parts with little R&D and have a good chance of screwing your motor completely up!!!

But you know what Hondas guys did back in 95-96-97 they built thier own custom turbo systems and had thier own internal parts built for thier Hondas and ran 11 second 1/4 mile times. That was fast. Alot of you people think that the Hondas always had a huge assortment of parts available. WRONG!!!! It has taken years!!! It takes any new platform and powerplant years to get a big following.

[Johan]

Originally posted by Mjolnir
Being a fellow Celica owner, Here's what I will offer to do for you.

My buddy has a 1991 Honda Civic. It has a mere 187,000 miles on the odo, but he has never done ANY modifications to it. As you know you can REALLY RICE THIS BABY OUT, so I will work a deal with you to make an even swap for his car. Problem solved. You get rid of that BORING Celica and get to spend the rest of your days putting on body kits and Wings and Rims and Turbo's and anything else your little heart desires in a vain attempt to make it 1/100th as cool as a stock Celica.

Just forward your address and make final payment on your Celica and I will arrange the swap.

Hey, what are friends for....


How many celica owners contacted you to make the swap ??????

I guess : ZERO !! :)

[Arghman]

Guys, stop talking about the aftermarket. We all know that topic is kinda tired now. Like RacinJason was saying, I guess the community is different for everyone. Another thing I think I ws doing wrong was (since i was at school on an ethernet) checking the website a little too much, like Larry ws saying. Thanks for opening my eyes and letting me know how much is in the works for the car guys. Friday nite and so far on saturday i've been driving my car like i stole it and it's been real fun :P

[Gaps]

BORINGCELICA.ORG or just a short attention span....hmm?

[Furies]

Originally posted by static
I don't know man. If you wanted to buy a car u can transform into some abomination by modding it to all hell, you should have bought a honda. Fact is, even after 2.5 years or so.. our car STILL turns heads on the streets. Look around once whenever u make a turn and watch how many people look. This car is still and eyecatcher, and the good news is that you're sitting in it. There are people out there looking at you, wishing they could be in your place, but your complaining....

Brand new engine, trans, everything.. what did you expect exactly? Plus, personally, I don't think Toyota is too friendly to aftermarket companies.. and that is a reason why things are so slow coming.

statics right....i juss got my used celi GT a couple months ago and it turns lots of heads towards my car...even though its completely stock...or they juss dig my cool moon shaped air freshener....but juss an hour ago i remember a kid mashing his face against his window to get a good look at my celi....*he wasn't makin faces at me.... he couldn't get enough of the hot vibe my car was given off...anyhoo...u get the point.....on the bit more parts for engine wouldn't hurt though...

[plush]

It's only a matter of time. Besides, ten or fifteen years from now I'd rather have my "boring" Celica than a twice-as-boring Honda.