Question on the Acura 2.3 Type-S vs my Celica GT-S

[Youngen]

I have a GT-S with TRD exhaust, filter, and TRD lowering springs. His is stock as he is ricing it out with neons and such... but he wants to race me (back roads, unlike some retards that do it out on main streets... common sense anyone???) but I just wana make sure that I will stomp him with ease, I won't totaly smoke him, only 2 car lengths then just leave it at that... mind games... but anyways what you think??

Celica GT-S (TRD Celi)

Acura 2.3 Type-S (stock)

[Honda~Power!]

you could definately smoke the acura 2.3 type s (since it does not exist).

J/K!

On the other hand, the acura 3.2-s (what you are talking about) is
definately a challenge. That car has the same specs as the cl-s, which runs consistabtly at 14.1. Judgyng by your mods, you could take him if you are able to stay in the powerband, otherwise he would win in a drag race.

If it is a race in the twisties, forget about it. Celica will kill.

[Bryan H]

bit of info about the type-s
headers, intake and exhaust the car has 311 hp
43 hp from headers {yes i AM right about this}

just thought id share

[Honda~Power!]

yes, but don't forget it also weighs 4000 lbs.

Sure, this type of modded tl-s would smoke the gts, but i think he was talking about a stock tl-s versus his slightly modded gts. That should be much closer.

[cjbaldw]

Ok guys,

So far every bit of information posted about this car in this thread is incorrect. First off, the CL/TL Type-S weigh in a paltry 50 pounds different from one another, approximately 3500 lbs, NOT 4000. :confused: Second, The headers add from 25-35WHP as indicated by several dyno graphs I've seen, and most of these folks already had an AEM or Injen intake installed. Even those numbers are VERY impressive for adding headers. Third, best I've seen an I/H/E CL-S run is a 14.2 after 2k worth of mods. They are NOT real low 14 cars stock, they are high 14 cars if well launched (given they are all currently 5 speed auto trannies).

Given you are driving a 6-spd GT-S, driving skill comes into play much more for you than for the Type-S driver. If you can't drive, you'll lose, if you can drive, it'll be close given the Type-S's run 14.7's stock. Good luck lining them up! :)

[Youngen]

I'll be dragging him at a real drag stripe as I don't believe in indangering others or myself when I rap it around a tele-pole... so you say its going to be a bit tough, I'd figure so since with the car and the mods all put together and added up only cost 24,500 and his costed close to 32,000... but I think I can hes weighting it down a bit and hes not that good with driving but auto so it don't matter, I'm taking racing lessons that my dad does with a school. Hes been doing it since I was like 6; plus we have twin cars so if I can't beat him with my driving skills my dad will smoke him with an identical car, we've done everything same time and same parts, the cars even have consecutive vin #s so we're going to sell them in the end as a pair; thanx for all the info, I thought it would have been a challange. GL on all of ya'll races

[Honda~Power!]

Originally posted by cjbaldw
Ok guys,

So far every bit of information posted about this car in this thread is incorrect. First off, the CL/TL Type-S weigh in a paltry 50 pounds different from one another, approximately 3500 lbs, NOT 4000. :confused: Second, The headers add from 25-35WHP as indicated by several dyno graphs I've seen, and most of these folks already had an AEM or Injen intake installed. Even those numbers are VERY impressive for adding headers. Third, best I've seen an I/H/E CL-S run is a 14.2 after 2k worth of mods. They are NOT real low 14 cars stock, they are high 14 cars if well launched (given they are all currently 5 speed auto trannies).

Given you are driving a 6-spd GT-S, driving skill comes into play much more for you than for the Type-S driver. If you can't drive, you'll lose, if you can drive, it'll be close given the Type-S's run 14.7's stock. Good luck lining them up! :)

you're right, if we are talking specifics, the tl-s does not wigh 4000, rather a litle under 3500lbs. I was just trying to pick the number off the top on my head just to show how much more it actually weighs than the celica.

Next, i have never seen a tl-s run the 1/4 in 14.7 stock. The fastest i've seen was 15.0, and c&d rates it at 15.1.

The gt-s's does the quarter in 15.4 stock, but with his mods he should be able to hit 15.0 easily. So i still think that it will be a toss up who will win.

[cjbaldw]

Originally posted by Honda~Power!


you're right, if we are talking specifics, the tl-s does not wigh 4000, rather a litle under 3500lbs. I was just trying to pick the number off the top on my head just to show how much more it actually weighs than the celica.

Next, i have never seen a tl-s run the 1/4 in 14.7 stock. The fastest i've seen was 15.0, and c&d rates it at 15.1.

The gt-s's does the quarter in 15.4 stock, but with his mods he should be able to hit 15.0 easily. So i still think that it will be a toss up who will win.

Here is a collection of mags times that I stole off of acura-tl.com:

Both CL-S & TL-S are pretty even.
Some 0-60 & 1/4 mile time by numerous magazines and websites:

TL Type-S
Car & Driver
0-60 6.5 1/4 14.8
0-60 6.9 1/4 15.1
Road Track
0-60 7.0 1/4 15.3
Super Street
0-60 6.28 1/4 14.72
Edmund.com
0-60 6.6 1/4 15.1
Motor Trend
0-60 6.3 1/4 14.7

CL Type-S
Motor Trend
0-60 6.4 1/4 14.8
Autoweek
0-60 6.7 1/4 15.14
Edmund.com
0-60 6.7 1/4 15.01

As you can see, some of the times are well into the 14's stock. As for actual 1/4 track times, there are several guys on both acura-cl.com and acura-tl.com that have run 14's in the 1/4 stock after learning to launch the car well. As I said in my previous post, a well-launched TL-S/CL-S will run a high 14 time, and the trap speed will range from 91-95MPH stock in the 1/4. The trap speeds tell more of a story of how much power the engine is producing. A well driven 6-spd GT-S can run a very high 14 stock as well, so it's really a toss up. However, given the TL-S/CL-S have auto trannies, they have a slightly consistency advantage IMHO, especially given it's easy for the GT-S to fall out of lift on the 1st/2nd shift. In the end, run em and see what happens, it's the only way to really find out! :D

Acura just announced a 6-spd tranny and LSD for the 03 CL-S. :) Heh, this is what I've been waiting for Acura to do all along. If they could throw the same tranny into the TL-S it'd probably be my next 4-door car. It's a waiting game now...

[Youngen]

well this will be a challange but I think I can burn him. Hes not good with the launch... besides a 6000 drop works best for me (lowered so it works) and I'll get him off the line maybe, top end should be good but if its nose to nose I'm ok with that cause he paided 30K+ for his car and total for mine is 24K heh. So hey my lilen is just fine.

[Jake Celica]

Stop talking about how much he payed for his car. With the $30K he payed, look at all the luxury he has, and can still beat a GT-S. I've seen them run as low as 14.5 stock. Not bad for a heavy auto. The lighter 6sp manual should be a nice low to mid 14 second car.

[Maelfyn]

gts is hardly bang for your buck performance car if that's what you were going for :biggrin: Anyway I think it will be pretty close. You should kill him off the line if you know how to launch properly. At least 2-3 car lengths. It seems like he might slowly walk you once you both have traction though. But, not enough to win in a 1/4 mile

[Youngen]

Thanx all ya, I know; its just I live in a rice area and you get tired of seeing all these cars that you could never afford. Its cool though, we're the fastest in our club though, we're going to the track and see soon like in a week or 2 so .. we'll see.

[SR20DET]

my father's TL-S ran 14.61 stock. It was kinda cool outside, about 55 degrees or so, I dunno how much that affects the time. Anyways good luck on the race. Your friend needs to disable traction control in order to get a good time. Disabling it lowered my father's times by .4-.5sec on average

But u probably wont tell ur buddy that so u can have a chance lol :down:

[Youngen]

No I will, he just put on exhaust and I helped him (well mostly I did) so I don't beleive in turning "Down" a guys car, we're the fastest in our "Club" right now so... I ain't got no prob