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caminsc5

01-20-2002, 12:30 AM

i had a 75 dry shot on my 01 gt auto..i know i know, i did it not thinking. i didnt have no problems w/ it. but i made 2 mistakes. 1: i had a dry shot instead of a wet type.
2: i was running a 75 shot instead of a 50, i was pushing the stock limit.
i didnt have no probs w/ it, but if u go to get on make sure its a wet 50 shot lol. the pros and cons, i believe are the same as far as for all cars. u gotta worry bout the car blowing up, running lean on fuel etc...thats my experience and mistakes. just glad i didnt blow it up or damage it w/ the dry 75 shot. coty

Maelfyn

01-20-2002, 01:37 AM

If you upgrade a few things like injectors, fuel pump, and get a FPR I believe a 100 shot should be okey dokey.

Symbolize

01-20-2002, 01:43 AM

Running a 50 shot on a AutoGT is going to be alright, dont expect a big surge of power kicking in, itll feel more like having a "LIFT" kicking in.

larryd

01-20-2002, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Maelfyn
If you upgrade a few things like injectors, fuel pump, and get a FPR I believe a 100 shot should be okey dokey.

actually that has nothing to do with it.. the reason you cant run more nitrous is becuz of compression.. same with GT as GT-S.. GT can run al ittle more safely then a GTS but fuel has nothnig to do with why you cant run more..

t2000gts

01-20-2002, 12:12 PM

also, if you're going to spray often 50 or more, get an ATF cooler.

Maelfyn

01-20-2002, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by larryd

actually that has nothing to do with it.. the reason you cant run more nitrous is becuz of compression.. same with GT as GT-S.. GT can run al ittle more safely then a GTS but fuel has nothnig to do with why you cant run more..

Weird. I hear a lot of conflicting issue regarding nitrous. I once talked to John Stewart, ex-owner of NX, and he told me that telling him the compression is like telling him the color of the car. He said it does not matter.

I would think you would need an upgraded fuel system to keep up with all that extra air being compressed. Wouldn't this create a lean condition? :confused

larryd

01-20-2002, 09:07 PM

that doesnt sound like a john thing to say.. anyway I cant get all technical becuz i dont know how to explain it.. but when you add nitrous to your car your compression goes up.. from say 11.5:1 to 12:1.. right.. well the pistons/rods can only take soo much.. the more nitrous you run the higher the compression is.. i hope that makes sense.. its all a matter of how much can the engine handle.. fuel comes into play later.. that is if your shooting a really large shot and the fuel pump cant get the fuel nozzle enuf fuel.. that would be ALOT of nitrous

01-21-2002, 04:24 AM

thanks y'all for your input, i definetly feel more comfortable with the decision now :) if i got it though i was gonna get a 30 shot of venom because i just didn't wanna stress my car too much, plus i like the idea of having a computerized system controlling most of it.

i dunno if i would wanna go more than a 50 shot because i would only use it at the track (to lower my times) and during extreme hunting season (to kick some @ss). i'll probably have it disconnected most of the time because i wouldn't wanna be caught nor tempted into a dumb situation.

i thought i had to get a dry system cuz when i was reading some info on nitrous i believed it was suggested for our type of car (not celica specifically though...i forget). then again, i had read in past threads that wet is better. what's the difference between wet and dry?

thanks again :biggrin:

larryd

01-21-2002, 05:01 AM

wet means with fuel, dry is without

Symbolize

01-21-2002, 05:03 AM

ya know it seems to me that every now and then John Stewart needs his butt kicked at times, the guy swares like a drunken sailor and claims that everything is crap and he is the best of them all.

caminsc5

01-21-2002, 10:05 AM

i emailed www.speed-technoloies.com about a direct port wet 50 shot for a '01 gt. they were very helpful, here's the response:

Coty,
To answer your first question directly, yes we do have a direct port kit that you can use. Before you get too excited, I want to make you aware of something. I shall address our bottle

01-21-2002, 11:23 AM

as a human being i tend to interpret things a little differently than others, as all do :confused: so help me out here. if i read correctly, does this mean:

a. the direct port system utilized through the intake requires no drilling in the manifold and therefore no major warranty void?

b. does the direct port include either 35, 50, 75 jets or does it include all three type of shots so the user can actually choose which to go with?
b.2. does he mean that a 35 shot would only contribute marginal difference in performance, therefore suggesting a higher shot system?

c. would the efi kit require drilling in the manifold?

d. are bottle warmers an accessory that could be purchased elsewhere?

e. would these directions/explanations be applicable to all NO systems?

i reaaaaaalllllly appreciate y'all replies. good info :) :) :)

caminsc5

01-21-2002, 01:38 PM

ok, ill try to answer your questions from what i got from this letter.

a)what they use threw the intake was not a direct port (direct port goes directly to the manifold.) it was a wet intake , not direct port. if u got a direct port, it would void warranty bc ud drilled into the manifold.

b)the direct port is for an enine that has been built up, not just a stock engine, and you have to use fuel additives etc when using direct port of less than a 150 shot.
b-2) a 35 shot is only a lilttle shot, u can use a 50 shot on basically any stock motor.

c)no, not that i believe

d)yes, bottle warmers and bottle heaters etc..... can be purchased really anywhere or on websites

e)from what ive read and heard from other companies, it is recommended to get a wet shot, but not a direct port wet shot, bc ud have to have ur engine built up some to have direct port. and when u drill into the manifold, u will void your warranty.

01-21-2002, 01:52 PM

thanx man...things are starting to clear and a plan is beginning to unfold :silly:

so far with all of y'alls knowledge that has been bestowed to this lil' grasshopper i think i will go for a wet intake system and not a direct port system, i don't think i'm ready to drill anything in my car, and let's face it i'm not doing any major races right now. i don't have anything major done to the engine and i don't think id really buy a supercharger if it came out this or next year (i'd rather buy a bike). if i do decide to then i would just upgrade my system :)

now the question is which brand system should i go for and how much of a jet to get. i originally wanted to get NOS because it is an original brand but i like that venom has a computerized system that i could probably hook up to my laptop with some software, or not :worried:

i'll still think about 35 or 50 shot, but probably go with 50 because i am an amateur at this but i might as well make good use of the installation fee.

does anyone know of a good company that provides nitrous systems at decent prices (typical question for every mod)

anymore input or other factors i must consider before making the purchase? any other items i will need for the installation for this system? :worried:

thanx again :biggrin:

caminsc5

01-21-2002, 03:43 PM

whatever system you get, everything you will need should be included. NOS is the originator of the nos system, and nitrous express (nx) has very good and reliable systems, but venom does have the computerized system. any of those three, would be alright. im not sure which brand im gonna get w/ my wet kit, when i had the dry shot. i had the brand NOS, and didnt have no probs w/ it. a 50 shot would be ok, i would go w/ that. if you want to do more stuff to the engine, i would go w/ pulleys, lighten flywheel, header.....things like that to help w/ speed (& sound), instead of just relying on the nitrous for the boost. all little things will add up. heres some websites that have nos:

www.nosnitrous.com (NOS)

www.nitrousexpress.com www.speed-technologies.com (NX)

www.venom-performance.com (venom)

jcar

01-21-2002, 07:02 PM

I've been running a 50 shot Nitrous Express Wet Kit on my '00 GT Auto for about 8 months, no problems at all as long as you remember to run premium fuel when using nitrous. With minor mods I'm running a 14.8 quarter mile.

01-22-2002, 05:16 AM

thanks caminsc5 for the links, i'll do some more exploring today. i had looked at nos and venom but not at nitrous express. i got a quote of 550 on a 50-shot wet kit at a local shop here & 200 for installation. the funny thing they suggested i get a dry kit because it's such a low jet bottle. i just told mad people (all of y'all) have suggested a wet kit. gotta get some quotes...:rolleyes: i know that hotshots has headers for the gt on mbautosports but i had read that produces marginal difference in performance but that may have been for the gt-s...not sure...i've never really heard of them...

not bad jcar...i just have an intake and an exhaust. i would think with running a wet-kit i would have to replace the fuel regulators or put in a fuel rail or a fuel management system to assist in the fuel flow....

thanks again (i'm such a thank you person :) )

jcar

01-22-2002, 07:40 AM

There's plenty of fuel pressure on the stock system. To make sure i even went ahead and installed the GenX kit which includes a fuel pressure safety switch. If there's not enough fuel pressure, it shuts down the system. The system's been flawless, one thing to remember, NOS measures their horsepower to the crank, where Nitrous Express measures horsepower to the wheels, so a Nitrous Express 50 Shot = NOS 60 Shot.

I have some pics of the setup on my site www.nervecenter.ca
Just click on the Cars link

01-22-2002, 09:14 AM

thanks diggidty dog! you are defintely swaying my decision to getting a system...how much was a nitrous express system for you?

caminsc5

01-22-2002, 09:20 AM

jcar which system did u get and where you get it?

jcar

01-22-2002, 09:27 AM

I bought mine from a friend, complete kit includes:
Nitrous Express Wet Kit (single fogger)
GenX Kit
(Bottle Warmer, Fuel Pressure Safety Switch, Nitrous Pressure Guage, NHRA Blow Down Tube, Purge Kit)

I installed myself, with miscellaneous wiring, switches, buttons, etc, I paid about $1000 Cdn. (I had to buy a new clockspring from Toyota to run the button through the steering wheel, and that was close to 400 bucks!) I think you can expect to spend $1700 to $2000 Cdn for a Wet Kit system with GenX upgrade and Purge Kit. Trust me, it was worth every penny.

caminsc5

01-22-2002, 09:34 AM

www.speed-technologies.com has the GenX2 kit, is that the samething that you have? bc i noticed they have a bunch of up grades and all for it.

01-22-2002, 10:24 AM

somebody had given me the idea of getting the sportshift wheel with the buttons at the wheel and possibly hooking up the nitrous switch so that i wouldn't have to yank my wheel off. i have also seen the buttons within the ashtray on this website. it was discrete and accessible :)

it seems like a worthy investment...

jcar

01-22-2002, 01:23 PM

I've heard of that as well, just remember you may still have to get a new clockspring. The dealer will tell you there's only one clockspring used for all models GT and GTS, but I'm thinking the gt (no cruise) came from the factory with the 1-pin model (used for the horn), whereas the others come with a 6-pin (used for horn, cruise, and shift buttons). I just ordered up a 6-pin clockspring and used some of the unused conductors for my nitrous button. Before looking into any steering wheel type wiring, check your clockspring first

cruzerz545

01-22-2002, 01:50 PM

I thought turbos and sc's only pushed compressed air, thats why you have problems with them.
Nitrous is not compress, therefor compression has nothing to do with it. Upgrade your fuel injectors and have fun.

I mean, is nitrous compressed? It allows more fuel to be burned thus giving it a little more pressure, but nothing compared to a turbo or sc.

Originally posted by larryd

actually that has nothing to do with it.. the reason you cant run more nitrous is becuz of compression.. same with GT as GT-S.. GT can run al ittle more safely then a GTS but fuel has nothnig to do with why you cant run more..

cruzerz545

01-22-2002, 01:52 PM

I can get the Kit single fogger and GenX for 1000$ shipped from NX if anyone wants one.

Originally posted by jcar
I bought mine from a friend, complete kit includes:
Nitrous Express Wet Kit (single fogger)
GenX Kit
(Bottle Warmer, Fuel Pressure Safety Switch, Nitrous Pressure Guage, NHRA Blow Down Tube, Purge Kit)

I installed myself, with miscellaneous wiring, switches, buttons, etc, I paid about $1000 Cdn. (I had to buy a new clockspring from Toyota to run the button through the steering wheel, and that was close to 400 bucks!) I think you can expect to spend $1700 to $2000 Cdn for a Wet Kit system with GenX upgrade and Purge Kit. Trust me, it was worth every penny.

jcar

01-22-2002, 01:57 PM

I assume that's in US dollars

1000 US = 1500 Cdn (+taxes, shipping, and you're up to about $2000)

caminsc5

01-22-2002, 02:06 PM

Coty,

My apologies for the delay in the response. I won't bore you with the reasons other than to say standard computer problems.
With respects to your initial question regarding the differences between the GenX2 system and the EFI kit, basically, the GenX2 is the accessory package that should be used with the EFI kit. The EFI kit can be used in your vehicle without the GenX2, but we recommend that you get the GenX2. Reasoning being that you will get the most out of the Nitrous when it is at a certain temperature. The warmer it is, to a point, the more pressure that you will have throughout the system and with a cold bottle/Nitrous, there isn't that much pressure. The base EFI system includes everything that you need to install it and start
using it right away. The GenX2 system includes a bottle warmer, purge system (to remove air from the lines), a pressure gauge, and some other goodies!
As for running a 50 shot, yes you can. As for running lean, the jets that are included in the base kit, take into account the fuel pressure that you vehicle runs and mixes the fuel with the nitrous accordingly. We have monitored the Air/Fuel with both our gauge and Apexi S-AFC and haven't noticed anything out of the norm. This is the beauty of this kit, you don't need any external controllers. Hope this helps for the time being, I shall get you some more comprehensive info when I'm finished rebuilding my system.
If you have questions, let me know and we can look at discussing over the phone.

Cheers,

Rob

valkyrie

01-22-2002, 02:21 PM

i can't find the GenX kit on this site and the price
could someone tell me the price and the picture
thanks

http://www.speed-technologies.com/articles.php
:paranoid:

caminsc5

01-22-2002, 03:48 PM

i had emailed the website about a wet direct port 50 shot, but they said i wasnt a good idea. (so email them and ask them bout what you want) but here's the whole convo and emails:

1st email:

Coty,
To answer your first question directly, yes we do have a direct port kit that you can use. Before you get too excited, I want to make you aware of something. I shall address our bottle

Archon_Ninja

01-23-2002, 09:14 PM

question... would you still shift the same or just leave it in drive and let the automatic transmission shift by itself, or could you do it just watch your rpm?

caminsc5

01-24-2002, 04:46 AM

either or, but if u do use it while self shiffting, be very careful and keep an eye on ur rpms. dont wanna shoot it while rpms are too high.

01-24-2002, 06:03 AM

driving the auto i never shift. i leave it in drive. but when exactly would be the best time to release nitrous? somebody told me usually it's used when someone is either gaining on ya on the latter end of the 1/4 or just passed ya. i'm not sure...

caminsc5

01-24-2002, 11:58 AM

yeah, really u can use it at anytime. usually used when sum1 was pulling on u, or when there are gaining on u, or even if u just want to get a cpl more car lenghts in between ya :shocked: :D

sedanss

04-28-2002, 02:08 PM

people with an auto. When you go to the track do you arm the system and stomp on it or do you wait till later in the run.

140 GT

08-05-2005, 01:02 PM

badceli

08-05-2005, 01:06 PM

You would have to put that in the for sale forum....
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

140 GT

08-05-2005, 01:24 PM

either or, but if u do use it while self shiffting, be very careful and keep an eye on ur rpms. dont wanna shoot it while rpms are too high.

actually thats the best time to shoot it is at high RPM's but i think what you mean to say is watch out so you dont over rev it.

barefoott4

08-05-2005, 02:26 PM

Well, anyone interested in a dry kit. everything included with a 10lb bottle. i never got a chance to use it or even hook it up. the bottle was never filled either. im thinkin about gettin mine turbo charged so im selling my nitrous kit. it includes, NOS and all wires and hoses and NOS purge kit. im selling it for 550. thats a good price too. purge kits are around 130-150 themselves.

Yeah, i'm sure these guys from 2 years ago want to buy the kit now that they had plenty of time to think it over. either or, but if u do use it while self shiffting, be very careful and keep an eye on ur rpms. dont wanna shoot it while rpms are too high.

actually thats the best time to shoot it is at high RPM's but i think what you mean to say is watch out so you dont over rev it.

I guess if caminsc5 is still around, you gave him the reply he's been waiting oh-so-long for. :rolleyes:

140 GT

08-09-2005, 07:09 PM

hahahahahah. dont mind me. im dumb. lol. that was funny though

FrostsCelicaGTS

08-09-2005, 07:20 PM

Whats the point in putting nitrious in an auto gt? I see none

TrDCeLiCa85

08-09-2005, 07:34 PM

I have a 2002 Gt auto and I'm running a 55 shot of Zex wet nitrous. I've been using nitrous for 2 years now. The safest way to go with nitrous is buying the Zex wet nitrous kit for around $500, bottle warmer, and pressure gauge. If I could go back, I wouldn't have ever put nitrous on my car because there was a difference, but it wasn't a big difference. Someone said it the best when they said it feels like hitting lift. If you plan on keeping the car I would go with turbo, if turbo is too expensive, just make your car a show car cause you'll always have a NO GO AUTO!

oONoGoAutoOo

08-09-2005, 07:37 PM