Celica GT-S 6 spd vs Accord i4 + 55 shots of NOS

[ZZT 231]

i was dragging with my friends GS300 one day
the race didn't even start yet and a bunch of cars drove by and asked us if we were street racing
well, they looked like they were doing the same so i ask them for a race, very very nice guys

my car is a celica GT-S 6 spd, i have parts like trd exhaust, Blitz sus intake, RH CP-035 rims, trd rear strut bar, trd short shift tanabe front strut bar, and tanabe springs
but because i just traded in my auto GT-S for the 6 spd, i didn't have time to install any of the parts, so it was bone stock
the guy i raced with was a accord (new body) i4 auto, with header, exhaust, AEM CAI, and 55 shots of dry NOS

so we went
through out the whole way (about a 1/4 mile) we raced, my car lost by only half a car length
i was pretty d@mn proud of my car considering i was driving auto b4, i'm not use to not get the $hit kicked out of me like crazy style

anyways, dats it

[KleeftonSi]

I honestly think you should have taken him.

4 cylinder Accords make about 120hp at the wheels, with a 55 shot we're talking 175 at the wheels in a 3000lbs+ car. And on top of that it was an automatic?

You should have smoked him.

[The Game]

I4 Accords make 150 hp, plus all the stuff he had on it he couldve atleast put down 210-215hp. But you still couldve taken him.

[Spec GTS]

Originally posted by KleeftonSi


You should have smoked him.
i agree with kleefton on that, my friend has the same car and set up and also has the aem pulley kit and his car is dog slow. he barley pulls on my other friend's ex civic with i/e...yea u shoud've smoked him good

[A96HondaAccordCoupeEX]

Originally posted by The Game
I4 Accords make 150 hp, plus all the stuff he had on it he couldve atleast put down 210-215hp. But you still couldve taken him. no way he's making that much power. Anyways you should have beat him, not smoked him, but beat him.

[Pure Racer]

Hp at the Flywheel is different then at the wheel...

[ZZT 231]

maybe i need to work on my launch and shifting
still not that great of a stick driver, loose time to traction on wheels i guess, or is it my shifting
i'll work on it

[t2000gts]

if you launched crazy at high rpm, you probably could have taken him.

but even the i4 auto accord has enough of torque to haul around that weight off the line. plus a 55 shot of NOS adds a **** load of torque. i don't think it would have much of a problem (if any) taking off on you from a stop at least if you didn't launch perfectly.

[KleeftonSi]

Originally posted by t2000gts
if you launched crazy at high rpm, you probably could have taken him.

but even the i4 auto accord has enough of torque to haul around that weight off the line. plus a 55 shot of NOS adds a **** load of torque. i don't think it would have much of a problem (if any) taking off on you from a stop at least if you didn't launch perfectly.

Aamir, with all due respect I strongly disagree with you here. The Accord's power to weight ratio even with the NOS is very inferior to the GT-S to start with and you add that 4 speed automatic on top of it and I don't see how the GT-S can lose, unless this guy is using a bigger shot or has more mods done.

I once raced an Accord EX auto at Englishtown in bracket racing. I was dialed in at 15.1 and he dialed in at 17.5 or so. By the time I got out of the hole he was already a buslength ahead of me due to the 2 sec+ delay but I still caught him by the quartermile and lost only by a hair, maybe half a fender.

I did get a chance to run him heads up also and I just destroyed him, first gear to fourth, I was pulling, and pulling hard.

Just to let you know how slow those things really are.

[fastwhipyo]

i would have to agree with kleeftin on this one, even if he did put out 215 HP with the mods you would still have beatin him, driveline loss is about 18% on theirs to our 13% and he weighs a **** load more AND he has a really ****ty gear ratio with the auto, i dont think those 25 horses that the acccord has over the celica (stock celica) would make up forall that, actually im almost positive it wouldnt, even if you had exaust and intake and he had a 75 shot, i still think the celica would slowly edge away.

[t2000gts]

actually, i agree with you. i've totally ripped apart auto accord EX coupes in my own car (3+ carlengths) so that's saying something.

but they can probably hit a 2.4 60' stock because they have torque off the line. most family sedans do (our own '93 accord wagon does, and would take my gts off the line). PLUS with nitrous, he could get a pretty decent launch out of that thing with all that torque.

that's if he was spraying off the line.

as for the rest of the race, why the GTS didn't catch up, i dunno. the accord would probably be a lot quicker than a stock accord for sure, and the auto would help limit wheelspin when having a lot of torque off the line, but i dunno how this guy drives. did he keep it in lift between shifts, etc.? have any extra weight in his car? you know a GTS 6-speed is perfectly well capable of running a high 15 or slower in the hands of...most drivers. what would an accord with those mods run? i know it should at least get a decent 1/8 time or have a good sprint off the line.

[ZZT 231]

to answer t2000gts's question
yeah, he sprayed right away because he was using the ZEX system
there's no red button, a computer controls is and when u full throddle the car, it just sprays
well, at lease it's what the guy told me

[97ludeSH]

Originally posted by KleeftonSi
I honestly think you should have taken him.

4 cylinder Accords make about 120hp at the wheels, with a 55 shot we're talking 175 at the wheels in a 3000lbs+ car. And on top of that it was an automatic?

You should have smoked him.

3000+ eh?

try 2500. i had one

[t2000gts]

the last accord to weigh 2500lbs was the late 80s model. i know cuz i have one, and the title says 2575 or so.

the new ones (mid-late 90s and later) are 3000 or over. even the coupes i believe. or close to 3000 if not over.

[A96HondaAccordCoupeEX]

i believe the 90-93 accords were in the 2800 bracket.
94-97 accords, almost 3000.
98+ fat asses

[KleeftonSi]

Originally posted by 97ludeSH


3000+ eh?

try 2500. i had one

He did specify "new body Accord". Read the whole post before bickering.

[97ludeSH]

oh my bad, the old accords were the ones that had the 120 hp so that is what i thought he was talking about, i had a 1990 accord..

the new accords make 135 for the dx and 150 for all the other 4 cylinders...and weigh about 3000 pounds...

[maztur]

1998 Accord EX coupe
I4 2.3 liters
Weight: 3009 lbs.
Hp: 150 hp @ 5700 rpm
Tq: 152 ft-lbs. @ 4900 rpm


1998 Accord LX coupe
Weight: 2965 lbs
Hp: 150 hp @ 5700 rpm
Tq: 152 ft-lbs. @ 4900 rpm