Mis-shifters costing us TRD Super Charger?

[2001REDCELICAGTS]

This board is full of people who mis-shift their cars then wants Toyota to fix it for free. Is is possible that Toyota is looking at this and deciding that maybe giving these types of people more power is a bad idea.

[yakkosmurf]

I don't think the misshifts are directly affecting Toyota doing stuff for this car. They certainly aren't helping any though. Adding a SC would not affect the problems with misshifting. Damage won't be much worse. I think the high CR and picky ECU are making supercharging the GTS harder than most people think. Just because something works in a prototype, doesn't mean you can just release it as is for the masses. The 2000 6-speed transmission is an example of that. Too many idiots who don't pay attention to what they are doing.

They teach you in design classes that when making a consumer product, you have to think as dumb as you can. Just because you don't intend for someone to use the item in a certain way, doesn't mean a large number of people are going to do just that.

[Keyshawn]

High compression, misshifting, and lift are not issues with the GT. Yet they won' t make superchargers for that model either. The fact that TRD has no s/c for the Celica is not due to misshifts, it is due to their own stupidity.

[VZV21]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
I don't think the misshifts are directly affecting Toyota doing stuff for this car. They certainly aren't helping any though. Adding a SC would not affect the problems with misshifting. Damage won't be much worse. I think the high CR and picky ECU are making supercharging the GTS harder than most people think. Just because something works in a prototype, doesn't mean you can just release it as is for the masses. The 2000 6-speed transmission is an example of that. Too many idiots who don't pay attention to what they are doing.

They teach you in design classes that when making a consumer product, you have to think as dumb as you can. Just because you don't intend for someone to use the item in a certain way, doesn't mean a large number of people are going to do just that.

Memories of the days working at Black & Decker.

TRD has 2 divisions, one dedicated for racing, and the other is sales. Both have separate budgets. Maybe the tRD sales marketing people better get off their dumb lazy asses and do something.

[6SPDGTS]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf

They teach you in design classes that when making a consumer product, you have to think as dumb as you can. Just because you don't intend for someone to use the item in a certain way, doesn't mean a large number of people are going to do just that.

Ya I hear this shi* all the time in classes as well. This is so true. You have to design a product for the dumbest person to be able to operate. Your and ME right yakko. I will be graduating in May with a B.S. in Civil Engineering so I know where you are coming from.
I just think TRD is working on making a near flawless product unlike other companies such as APC and VIS that release products first and the fitment and quality sux.
APC= Another Piece of Crap. J/K

[Celica RZ]

my theory still is that although driver error does play a part, it's still a design issue with the tranny. I purposely tried to mis-shift a supra 6-spd. it was resisting it like all hell, making all kinds of noises and vibrations in the shifter. The RSX-S, they haven't experienced any where as near many mis-shifts as the celica. Don't give me that different markets bull either, the RSX-S is still a direct competitor of the celica. with the new SE-R and SVT focus if they don't have as many mis-shifts as the Celica then we will know that it is a design issue.

what am I talking about, it is a design issue. Toyota already fixed it by putting in the tranny peices and wider shift gates :biggrin: nevermind.

IMO I think it has more to do with the picky ECU and high CR than anything else.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by 6SPDGTS


Ya I hear this shi* all the time in classes as well. This is so true. You have to design a product for the dumbest person to be able to operate. Your and ME right yakko. I will be graduating in May with a B.S. in Civil Engineering so I know where you are coming from.

Yes, I have a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering. Good luck with school. My little brother graduates in May as well. He got out of engineering a long time ago though.

[gts24]

Ok, let's lay things down first. How many members on this board? over 5000...... and let's say at the max 50 have mis-shifted I think that is greatly stretched.... of course not all are 6 speed gt-s's...

Do the math there, that's not that many when you figure the majority of 6 speed owners in the whole,,, Continent of NA probabably aren't on this board.

See this is the stuff of legend at this point. This whole facad has really blown out of proportion. I think most on this board will agree with me. (hey old-timers, where's lemon-celica when you need him? ;) )

[BlackGT]

edit: nevermind :)

-Tim

[propo]

I was in the market for a new celica, but this whole misshift problem is kinda worrying me. I have been drive a stick for 5 years now. I wanna know who misshifts. Is it mostly the new drivers learning how to shift, people who have driven a stick for a while, or both??? Where are the damn statisticians???!!!

[Chris25NJ]

It happened to me once or twice, but i realised I was in the wrong gear and pushed the clutch back in before it revved to high to cause any damage. In my case it was total user malfunction, it even did it in my talon a few times.

I think the people who are damaging their cars by mis-shifting are when they are trying to race, and trying to downshift from 5th into 3rd, but end up in 1st, or want to downshift to 4th, but end up in 2nd. It's not something that should stop you from buying the car. And also, it's not only a Celica issue, look on clubrsx they are plenty of the same issues there.

Just take it easy till you learn the gear box before trying any crazy shifting and you'll be fine. Especially if you're coming from a 5 speed.

[gts24]

Originally posted by propo
I was in the market for a new celica, but this whole misshift problem is kinda worrying me. I have been drive a stick for 5 years now. I wanna know who misshifts. Is it mostly the new drivers learning how to shift, people who have driven a stick for a while, or both??? Where are the damn statisticians???!!!

Get a Celica, don't worry about it. If you truly have been driving a stick for 5 years...... and are MINDFUL of how you shift, You won't have problems,


The main issue that comes up is people downshifting from 5th or 6th into 4th and accidentilly going into 2nd....
DUH.
the shifter does the work for you, if you take the car out of either 5th or 6th LET THE SHIFTER REST INTO IT'S NATURAL POSITION ----which oh my gosh is right in between :ugh: *gasp*, i'm gonna say it, 3rd or 4th,,, then select your gear with a correct double clutch and rev match.... and push the stick thingy either straight up or straight down.....
WOW. :shocked: that was so hard.... I need a nap now

[ringthree]

Originally posted by gts24


Get a Celica, don't worry about it. If you truly have been driving a stick for 5 years...... and are MINDFUL of how you shift, You won't have problems,


The main issue that comes up is people downshifting from 5th or 6th into 4th and accidentilly going into 2nd....
DUH.
the shifter does the work for you, if you take the car out of either 5th or 6th LET THE SHIFTER REST INTO IT'S NATURAL POSITION ----which oh my gosh is right in between :ugh: *gasp*, i'm gonna say it, 3rd or 4th,,, then select your gear with a correct double clutch and rev match.... and push the stick thingy either straight up or straight down.....
WOW. :shocked: that was so hard.... I need a nap now

Not only that but hte late 2001 and up models were all released with a different shifter, gates and springs. I couldnt mis-shift mine if I tried.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by Chris25NJ
And also, it's not only a Celica issue, look on clubrsx they are plenty of the same issues there.


I agree that there's not really a design issue with the Celica. If you want one, get one. However, the number of misshifts reported for on clubrsx have been much fewer than the ones reported here. Time will tell.

[Kit99bar]

Originally posted by yakkosmurf
The 2000 6-speed transmission is an example of that. Too many idiots who don't pay attention to what they are doing.


:thumbup:

[propo]

So does that mean I should not get a 2000 GTS? If I did end up getting one anyway, will the dealer swap the tranny, shifter, etc with a 2001+?

[2K1BLKCELGTS]

When I first got my GTS I had trouble with mis shifting but was my own fault. The shift pattern is pretty tight. I think that was intentional design by Toyota for two reasons. Lighter weight in trans and faster shifting. Now that I am comfortable shifting in this car, when I go back to my 5 speed, I misshift sometimes.

Become one with the car. (repeat chant)
Become one with the car.

[yakkosmurf]

Originally posted by 2K1BLKCELGTS

Become one with the car. (repeat chant)
Become one with the car.
I don't recommend doing this while driving. You won't be paying attention to what you're doing and will misshift for sure.

[gts24]

Originally posted by propo
So does that mean I should not get a 2000 GTS? If I did end up getting one anyway, will the dealer swap the tranny, shifter, etc with a 2001+?


OK, NOT trying to be an ahole here , but have you been reading? If you have been driving a stick for any amount of time and are willing to just take your time and learn this car before you try and race everyone in site, you will do fine. If you find a 2000 GT-S for the right price I'd pick it up :hitit: You will probably get a great deal and have the original best :thumbup: transmission. The dealer will only "swap" out your tranny for a newer edition if you misshift. If you get a 2000 just take your time, and you will BE FINE. SERIOUUUSSLLYY (cartman....:chuckle: )