What's your 1/4 mile and 0-60 time estimates with XS turbo?

[KrazY-2K]

What kind of times are you guys expecting with the XS turbo @ 7 psi? Me, I'm gonna say anywhere from 12.7 to 13.4 depending on the driver and some other mods of course, with a 0-60 of around 5.5 seconds... this is being a little bit on the conservative side.

just bored :)

[EPme]

Maybe mid-high 12s with slicks..w/o slicks..i don't know, prolly low 13s

[-=BrocK=-]

Low 13s

[Ntence99]

Originally posted by KrazY-2K
What kind of times are you guys expecting with the XS turbo @ 7 psi? Me, I'm gonna say anywhere from 12.7 to 13.4 depending on the driver and some other mods of course, with a 0-60 of around 5.5 seconds... this is being a little bit on the conservative side.

just bored :)

if your 0-60 is 5.5 seconds the you are more likely to run low 14,s

[larryd]

I think when more people get the kit for the first few months the best you will see is mid 13s with most people running high 13s at some pretty good trap speeds in the 110s. There is ALOT to learn about driving a FWD turbo car that can not be explained and no one will believe until they have a FWD turbo car.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most FWD owners I know dont really pay to much attention to their 1/4 mile times, they pay alot more attention to their mph because that shows the power of the car.

[X-EVIL-X]

its capable of 12's.
thats all ill say.
a 50 shot is capable of 12's also though imo.
and thats 40 less hp.

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

Originally posted by larryd
I think when more people get the kit for the first few months the best you will see is mid 13s with most people running high 13s at some pretty good trap speeds in the 110s. There is ALOT to learn about driving a FWD turbo car that can not be explained and no one will believe until they have a FWD turbo car.

Another thing to keep in mind is that most FWD owners I know dont really pay to much attention to their 1/4 mile times, they pay alot more attention to their mph because that shows the power of the car.

:werd:

then u realize why AWD ownz.. but FWD turbo is fun for runs on a roll or on the freeway..

[Keyshawn]

Larry's absolutely right. Traction and experience with a turbocharged FWD car will play significant roles in what 1/4 mile times a turbocharged Celi will get. For example, GReddy's turbocharged RSX could only manage high 13's, but had trap speeds (108 + mph) that were similar to AWD or RWD cars in the low 13's and high 12's. This is because it's suspension was NOT tuned specifically for straightline runs and it was running on Nitto 555 street tires, leading to difficulties with traction. A turbocharged Celica's good HP and low weight don't guarantee 12's in the 1/4 mile.

Tuning the suspension specifically for the 1/4 mile, getting sticky tires, and becoming more experienced with handling the extra power of a boosted FWD car are three huge factors that are often neglected when people estimate the 1/4 mile times of a turbocharged Celi.

(Heh, on that note, does anyone wanna buy my rims and tires: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1097966#post1097966 , so I can afford some new, stickier tires for my ride?):burnout:

[larryd]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
its capable of 12's.
thats all ill say.
a 50 shot is capable of 12's also though imo.
and thats 40 less hp.

I actually disagree. I dont think a GTS with a 50shot is a 12 second car, atleast not without slicks.

[X-EVIL-X]

with slicks i think a very good driver could hit 12's with a 50 shot.
everything would have to be set up right though.
there's no reason the xs kit could do the same especially when it puts out 260 to the wheels as compaired to 220 with the 50 shot.

[GTS-Racer]

Originally posted by larryd


I actually disagree. I dont think a GTS with a 50shot is a 12 second car, atleast not without slicks.

:werd:

[jdm2zz]

all motor horsepower is way different than turbo horsepower, i think the celica could barely break a high 13 on street tires and maybe mid or low 13s on slicks.

[X-EVIL-X]

what do you mean? with a 50 shot you didn't get any traction because all the torque was at 3500rpm at 190ft pounds. with the turbo its steady and not a huge jump like that so quick.

[larryd]

Actually with a turbo its a huge jump as well man. Only N/A has a slower more linear torque curve. Most turbos hit hard and fast.

[Jersey Jay]

12.54 with drags on my car according to a computer program, but that's not the real world!

[VeilsideGTS00]

So are you guys sayin that this xs kit is only capable of 13s? That's somewhat of a dissapointment. I'm beginning to think that this 2zz engine might not be able to put me at the 1/4 times I'm lookin for. There might just be a swap in my future.....might.

[KrazY-2K]

If traction isn't an issue, I'm pretty sure an XS Turbo GT-S could hit high to mid 12's. An LSD and sticky tires will help greatly. I suspect you could possibly dip into low 12's with C-One or Kaaz gears, possibly better? Of course no one has these gears so it's hard to tell what kind of performance impact they would have :burnout:

Also any other mods installed will probly respond better to FI rather than NA.

[larryd]

Yeah if traction was not an issue youd be amazed at what you could do :)

Seriously look at it this way. My GST with just under 300whp managed a 13.4 @ 109. Why you ask, because I spun through 1st and 2nd and part of 3rd. FWD is NOT meant for the track. There are lots of other things you have to do to the car to make it run good times at the track like slicks and the proper suspension setup which noone seems to be able to explain :)

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
its capable of 12's.
thats all ill say.
a 50 shot is capable of 12's also though imo.
and thats 40 less hp.

I don't have the track slips to prove it any more, but I ran a 13.1 with a NX 75-shot on stock tires CAI, Exaust, and ACT street/race clutch.
I think with a good pair of sliks a 12 could be done with a 75, but not a 50.
But hey what do I know :chuckles:
Man I've got to go back tot he track some time soon.

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

Originally posted by DJ_GLITCH_OS


I don't have the track slips to prove it any more, but I ran a 13.1 with a NX 75-shot on stock tires CAI, Exaust, and ACT street/race clutch.
N2O makes a crap load more torq then a turbo would at the same hp numbers.
I think with a good pair of sliks a 12 could be done with a 75, but not a 50.
But hey what do I know :chuckles:
Man I've got to go back tot he track some time soon.

[X-EVIL-X]

bryanH ran a 13.1 with a 1.9 60 foot with a 50 shot. i think that was on nitto drags.

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

Originally posted by X-EVIL-X
bryanH ran a 13.1 with a 1.9 60 foot with a 50 shot. i think that was on nitto drags.

GT or GT-S?
If that was a GT, then DAMN!
Mad props.
I pride my self as a pretty good racer, and I dont think I could get a 13.1 with a 50shot.

[Ntence99]

what did u have on your car larry to be just under 300 whp?

[larryd]

Bryan H said he ran a 13.1 with that but there was no slip, no video, no witnesses.. nada.. Im a little skeptical but if he did then good for him :)

Alot of mods on the GST. I was actually around 400whp when I just lost the car but when I ran that track time it was in the GST, not GSX and only making slightly under 300whp.

[7THSIGN]

I know a civic hb that weighed in at 2,600 pounds and with 360whp ran low 11s on slicks. This is just to give some ideas of what power is needed.

[larryd]

Slicks do amazing things :)

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

true true

[jdm2zz]

i got the xs kit on my car right now, i think it is only capable of 13s due to the power to weight ratio, even on slicks i dont think i can break a 12....but who knows, the track doesnt open till next month for me

[7THSIGN]

u cali celica owners are lucky.

[DJ_GLITCH_OS]

why is that?

[01celicaj]

Where can I buy a XS turbo for a 2001 celica GT 5speed? What is the highest psi level on it?

[larryd]

The XS turbo is for the GTS, not the GT. I suggest you read more of this forum to find a turbo kit for the GT.

[Hungster]

yes traction is a very big issue its amazing what you can hit without traction problems

[minhtin]

i thought xs kit wasn't smog legal... how are you guys passing smog? just wondering.

[t2000gts]

nitrous has a lot more torque a lot lower in the powerband than a turbo. i would think you would rip apart these dinky little axles in the car before you made it past the 60'. but maybe it's possible with a 50 shot, which isn't that much....that's still almost 180-200wtq tho.

[larryd]

Actually if I recall these turbos are coming on full boost around 2500 or so which means a nice spike in the torque curve.

When I ran nitrous I did not even spray until 3000rpms.

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by larryd
Actually if I recall these turbos are coming on full boost around 2500 or so which means a nice spike in the torque curve.

When I ran nitrous I did not even spray until 3000rpms.

that's the safe way to do it, bryan said he was spraying at 2000

[dragonfrog]

what suspension upgrades would you recommend to increase the chances of sticking to the pavement?

[KrazY-2K]

Originally posted by dragonfrog
what suspension upgrades would you recommend to increase the chances of sticking to the pavement?

Good question. I'd like to know the same thing... what suspension stuff would help our traction? I know an LSD like Qualife or Kaaz for sure, very sticky tires (BFGoodrich g-force T/A KD's or Falken Azenis Sports) but thats all I can think of.

[X-EVIL-X]

50 shot vs stock
http://www.newcelica.org/other/dyno/rednosceli/dyno1.jpg
http://www.newcelica.org/other/dyno/keyshawn/xsdyno1.jpg
http://www.newcelica.org/other/dyno/keyshawn/xsdyno2.jpg
the xs kit.

[larryd]

God I love looking at the XS turbo dyno :)

[KrazY-2K]

:werd:

[4CyLSiLvACeLi]

:werd: here too, and im an auto gt owner :gap:

[liquidgts00]

are these big bad a$$ kits still 6 g's installed or can you guys still not say exactly

[saiyajinc]

xs is installing the for the first 5 people for 5500. I think they got the first 5 already. The kit, when released, will go for 5000. If you are in wa might as well go to a good local shop and get it installed for about 1g if you are not mechanically inclined. If you are, then do it your self for 5g's....So in conclusion, yeah 5 or 6g's.

[Bryan H]

Originally posted by larryd
Bryan H said he ran a 13.1 with that but there was no slip, no video, no witnesses.. nada.. Im a little skeptical but if he did then good for him :)

Alot of mods on the GST. I was actually around 400whp when I just lost the car but when I ran that track time it was in the GST, not GSX and only making slightly under 300whp.

you still can't give up can ya larry.
don't make me come up there and smack ya!

anyways

yes i did 13.12@106.x mph on drag radials a 50 shot, rmm intake and a custom rear section exhaust. the car dynoed out at 221hp and 200 ft lbs{at 3300 rpms} and hp was at 7700 rpms. there were a couple more things done to it which made it around 175 or so hp off bottle.

the car went 13.6@103 on factory issue street tires. i have about 12 of these time slips. the 13.12 one is framed under a picture of my celica on the wall.

it does exsist. it was done. and it was a gts 6 spd

as far as my sprayin at 2k rpms? well im a little nuts in the head sometimes. so thats where it came from.
it was a dyno tuning thing. we rejetted the fuel side a tad bit, it hit 185 ft lbs at 2300 rpms. so we figured try it lower. same thing. rejetted again and brought the rpm's up to 2800 then hit the button, hence the 200 ft lbs.

like larry said, when turbo's hit, depending on their size of course, hit hard. there is nothing smooth about it. even the stock one on my tsi hits pretty good at 3500 {23 psi} the car starts walking all over the road.
id prefer nitrous on a factory issue N/A car. but thats just me

[atown610]

what type of hp would the gts take to run say a 11 or lower?

[EPme]

lots of hp, little traction and lots of $$$$$

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

Originally posted by atown610
what type of hp would the gts take to run say a 11 or lower?

a built and with upgraded turbo 3sgte swap :)

[celicancer]

alot of naaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwsssss

[IllicaCelica]

Is it possible to run an XS turbo and NO2 or would that pretty much blow your motor on the spot?

Oh yea, forgot to mention...PAGE 2 OWN3D!

[larryd]

That would pretty much blow your motor on the spot without some engine reinforcement.

[IllicaCelica]

Originally posted by larryd
That would pretty much blow your motor on the spot without some engine reinforcement.

such as aftermarket pistons, and cams when they come out?

[larryd]

Cams has nothing to do with protection. You would need better pistons/rods and lower compression.

[FukenCanuk]

ive heard this said before on clubrsx, what is the difference between turbo hp and n/a hp? just curious thats all.

[larryd]

HP is HP, there is no difference.