When will those silly Mustang GT's learn [Archive]

ZeroGTS

01-26-2002, 01:24 PM

So...theres this nice little black 97 style mu stang rolling around the woodlands. Its got some big tires out back. Im behind him minding my own business trying to go pick up my friend at a b-ball game.
As i roll up to one stop sign, he stops...and i hear it

kadum kadum kadum. loping idle.
This baby had some cam work done to it definitely. as he takes off i hear it again... no cats...full exhaust...most likely headers too. (X pipe or H pipe or whatever they call it)

so...Next stop sign (roads are empty) his friend from the back shouts "race"
he launches, i roll it, step out the clutch rev up and dump the car doesn a double jump and i skip half a car on him.

shift to 2nd

my lsd scrambles for traction as the whole front end of the car becomes upset with the intense force of slamming into the 2nd cam.
for once i pulled on the 1-2 shift. im lovin this new clutch.
both wheels jerk me forward.
3rd gear:
i just keep pulling 1-2-3-4-5 cars...maybe more. he was way back there as i went past 110.

I roll up to the next stop and wait...

he rolls down his window....friend peers out from the back.
His jaw was open so wide youda think hed been suckin down on Ron Jeremy's mister happy.

"holy...****. what the HELL did you DO to that thing"
"nothing really" (big grin)
"Thats pretty fast for a celica"
"looks fast..." (chuckle)

he peels out to regain the lost genital size by getting smoked...i calmly resume my under the speed limit crusade to pick up a chicken strip dinner at sonic and my friend.

my hands are shaking from the adrenaline.
i was so pumped...i ended up macking on every woman in sight.

Nothing like beating a car with 4 times the displacement and 4 more cylinders than you.

god. I rule.

Mustang. Its whats for dinner.

EDIT: if this sounds a little immature im sorry. its not my usual modus operandi. i was coming off of a big regimen of pills and was celebrating my freedom with a little partying and inebriation.
It brings out the stupid in us.
NOTE: i was not "impaired" while driving or racing. this was later that night. It was typed during a lull in the party. So if I sound stupid, its probably because I was. thank you that is all
-Milin's left brain lobe

AkUmA

01-26-2002, 02:00 PM

so what kind of clutch and lsd do you have? nice run!

SlasherX

01-26-2002, 07:00 PM

damn you must be smoking some good crack.

too lazy now to go into why its BS.

IE
--no cam's for the 4.6 sohc motor readily availible, cost effective, or reliable.

etc etc etc etc

so my question back to you is.."When will silly Celica owners learn?"

ZeroGTS

01-26-2002, 11:53 PM

HMM. BLOW ME.
i just asked my friend who knows the owner personally.
it had some gear stuff done
and its actually a 5.0
i didnt know they made them in the sn95 body style

the guy thinks hes the ****.

all i know is i pulled up to a mustang with a loping idle.
and definitely straight piped exhaust. it was near deafening.

and i was right.
you werent there.
this is why i hate the internet.

i won.
if you cant deal with that...screw off.
i wont beat every mustang, but i beat one that was particularly cocky about his stupid ass car.
and thats what its all about.
owning cocky stupid teenagers in their daddies cars.

Redline

01-27-2002, 12:27 AM

no way in hell can you beat a mustang gt. it has 8 cylinders and you have 4. it defies the laws of physics! oh wait, i dont drive a mustang..............

good kill! ;)

X-EVIL-X

01-27-2002, 01:29 AM

ive beaten two mustang gt 5 speeds and both the guys where in shock.
it was a 97 or 98 from what i could tell.
those years wheren't very good for the cars power but people still think there the sh*t in them.
nothing like the look on someone's face when a 4 banger beats their v8 huh???

SlasherX

01-27-2002, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by ZeroGTS
HMM. BLOW ME.
i just asked my friend who knows the owner personally.
it had some gear stuff done
and its actually a 5.0
i didnt know they made them in the sn95 body style

the guy thinks hes the ****.

all i know is i pulled up to a mustang with a loping idle.
and definitely straight piped exhaust. it was near deafening.

and i was right.
you werent there.
this is why i hate the internet.

i won.
if you cant deal with that...screw off.
i wont beat every mustang, but i beat one that was particularly cocky about his stupid ass car.
and thats what its all about.
owning cocky stupid teenagers in their daddies cars.

i highly suggest you set yourself on fire.

cilvrwing38

01-27-2002, 09:16 AM

yea do that mayn set urself on fire ...hehhehehe

racinjason

01-27-2002, 07:04 PM

Good kill. Mustangs are a mixed breed. I have beaten ton of them. And ran with a good number of them and been spanked hard by others. Best I have ever run with was a 95 Cobra with Hpipe, headers, Flows, short shifter, and intake. We were from a roll. So I hung with him pretty good as his buggy slacked off from 60 on. I would have eventually passed him but we were at 100mph. Most will pull you from the start and by 3rd you'll be pulling hard on them. Others you just don't have a prayer.

speedfreek876

01-27-2002, 07:52 PM

is it me or is it that everytime one of us Celi owners writes about a good kill on a Mustang..theres always the Mustang owner who thinks its all a bunch of BS?? I know there fast, but dude its not an unbeatable car!! SH*T happens!!

larryd

01-27-2002, 08:10 PM

the only reason it sounds funny is cuz it makes it sound to be like a really bad ass Mustang.. which in case would eat up the Celica.. but ya never know..

SlasherX

01-27-2002, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by speedfreek876
is it me or is it that everytime one of us Celi owners writes about a good kill on a Mustang..theres always the Mustang owner who thinks its all a bunch of BS?? I know there fast, but dude its not an unbeatable car!! SH*T happens!!

ever notice how a majority of every Mustang kill posted by a Celica owner on here puts down the car?

quote me on saying the car was ever unbeatable, i doubledare you, and will give you a cookie.

i don't like the "hardcore" madd street racah killah attitude that is displayed by some of these guys going out there racing a car, beating it, and coming on here pretending his driving skills, car, etc. are all blessed golden by God. Take a long look at the attitude from "those silly mustang gt's" to the cockiness behind his "driving skill"

now, apply the same thing to someone posting these type of kill stories about your car...besides the numbers, and facts which show most of these to be BS.

96-98 GT's were weak. yes aproperly driven and modded GT-S can easily beat one that doesnt have many mods done to it. as for the "silliness" of these cars, you're only joking yourself, and have a much higher view of your self worth than is really there.

ZeroGTS

01-27-2002, 08:24 PM

get off your pedestal.
i found out later exactly what this mustang was
a 5 liter v8.

in the new bodystyle.

And yes those "silly" mustangs is an appropriate saying.
around here, everyone buys a sn95 stang to look cool.
they throw them on some chrome rims, put some borlas on them and think that they are gods gift to cars.

Hence, i really tend to hate mu stangs.
PLUS this guy refers to his car as a "lethal weapon"

basically hes one big phagtard.

And he got his ass handed right to him by a 4cylinder.

and yes i do have superior driving skill.

I have managed to hand it to vastly superior cars driven by kids attending my school.

instead of learning to drive...
they go out and beg mommy and daddy to buy them a 30 + thousand dollar sportscar.

hence the reason there is a brand new silver s2000 in my area driven by a 16 year old.
he wrecked it within a week. its been fixed now.

i still beat him.

he can't drive.
I can.

I give people lessons on how to race their cars. i teach kids to drive a manual transmission without blowing it up.
smoother is faster.

meanwhile, the gheytards in their mustangs keep talking trash about these "f'ing chinks" and *insert racial slur here*
not to say theres not some fast ones.

Im just sick of people thinking their mustang is cool JUST because the new ones are fast.

anyways, its nice to beat them and steal their girlfriends.
im sure some of you will agree.
If i don't do one, i'll do the other.

lafaygts

01-27-2002, 08:40 PM

Good kill !, What mods do you have?

speedfreek876

01-27-2002, 08:46 PM

never said that you did say "Mustangs were unbeatable"...but thats the whole attitude you give off...everytime I see someone post a Mustang kill, your name just seems to pop up with a thread calling it BS? Cant we have some kind of victory lap for once w/out having the cocky Stang driver crash the party!

SlasherX

01-27-2002, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by ZeroGTS
get off your pedestal.
i found out later exactly what this mustang was
a 5 liter v8.

in the new bodystyle.

And yes those "silly" mustangs is an appropriate saying.
around here, everyone buys a sn95 stang to look cool.
they throw them on some chrome rims, put some borlas on them and think that they are gods gift to cars.

Hence, i really tend to hate mu stangs.
PLUS this guy refers to his car as a "lethal weapon"

basically hes one big phagtard.

And he got his ass handed right to him by a 4cylinder.

and yes i do have superior driving skill.

I have managed to hand it to vastly superior cars driven by kids attending my school.

instead of learning to drive...
they go out and beg mommy and daddy to buy them a 30 + thousand dollar sportscar.

hence the reason there is a brand new silver s2000 in my area driven by a 16 year old.
he wrecked it within a week. its been fixed now.

i still beat him.

he can't drive.
I can.

I give people lessons on how to race their cars. i teach kids to drive a manual transmission without blowing it up.
smoother is faster.

meanwhile, the gheytards in their mustangs keep talking trash about these "f'ing chinks" and *insert racial slur here*
not to say theres not some fast ones.

Im just sick of people thinking their mustang is cool JUST because the new ones are fast.

anyways, its nice to beat them and steal their girlfriends.
im sure some of you will agree.
If i don't do one, i'll do the other.

if i had my knife i could cut the Ego its so thick.

SlasherX

01-27-2002, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by speedfreek876
never said that you did say "Mustangs were unbeatable"...but thats the whole attitude you give off...everytime I see someone post a Mustang kill, your name just seems to pop up with a thread calling it BS? Cant we have some kind of victory lap for once w/out having the cocky Stang driver crash the party!

haha..sorry

i do give props to some kill stories of mustangs on here, because i do know that they can be beaten just like other cars out there. its just the unrealistic, ignorant ideas that frequent such kill stories that i go after.

hell, i hang in there and run with those year gt's myself. and i have hung with my share of GT-S's, etc..

when i come on here calling the gt-s's piles of ****, unreliable, blah blah, then lecture me the same way ;)

FastDriver

01-27-2002, 11:12 PM

Dave, this may not all be bull****, but there certainly is a lot of BS here.
Originally posted by ZeroGTS
So...theres this nice little black 97 style mu stang rolling around the woodlands. Its got some big tires out back. Im behind him minding my own business trying to go pick up my friend at a b-ball game.
As i roll up to one stop sign, he stops...and i hear it

kadum kadum kadum. loping idle.
This baby had some cam work done to it definitely.
First, let me say that I can believe that a GTS can beat a 94-98 GT Mustang. These GTs can easily go 14s, but the occasional guy who comes out to the track is well into the 15s. I've heard of about the same numbers from GTSes. So, I believe that you outran a mustang. However, if this guy had a cam, you would've been ****ed bad. You don't just keep pulling on a car even if the driver is worse. More likely the lope was a miss if it even existed.
Originally posted by ZeroGTS

as he takes off i hear it again... no cats...full exhaust...most likely headers too. (X pipe or H pipe or whatever they call it)
1) This is bull****, you can't tell if a 5.0 does or does not have cats just by the sound of it, because 2) you know jack **** about exhaust systems as evidenced by what you wrote in the parenthesis. full exhaust, most likely headers too? Generally, in fact all people that have done full exhaust have a catback system, and headers. You might be able to tell headers from normal mustang exhaust but definately not cats. This guy had headers and maybe mufflers, but if he had a cam the outcome would have been embarrassing.
Originally posted by ZeroGTS

he launches, i roll it, step out the clutch rev up and dump the car doesn a double jump and i skip half a car on him.
I thought you were a good driver. What the hell is this double jump crap?
Originally posted by ZeroGTS

shift to 2nd

my lsd scrambles for traction as the whole front end of the car becomes upset with the intense force of slamming into the 2nd cam.
You need a ride in a real car, you would **** your pants, intense force? bwahahaha
Originally posted by ZeroGTS

for once i pulled on the 1-2 shift. im lovin this new clutch.
both wheels jerk me forward.
as opposed to your last clutch which when shifted jerked you rearward.
Originally posted by ZeroGTS

3rd gear:
i just keep pulling 1-2-3-4-5 cars...maybe more. he was way back there as i went past 110.
Again, if this guy had the mods you say he did(Cam) it would, you might have taken him off of the line, but you would have been destroyed. BTW, the fact that you pulled 5 cars by 110 means that there was something wrong with his car or he wasn't racing(I'm sure he was). That miss sounds like a more realistic hypothesis now. GTSes are stout little cars, I'm sure, but they won't pull on a 5.0 at 110.
Originally posted by ZeroGTS
he rolls down his window....friend peers out from the back.
His jaw was open so wide youda think hed been suckin down on Ron Jeremy's mister happy.
I'm starting to wonder about you. Who the hell is Ron Jeremy and how the **** did your thoughts change to his mister happy?
Originally posted by ZeroGTS

i calmly resume my under the speed limit crusade to pick up a chicken strip dinner at sonic and my friend. my hands are shaking from the adrenaline.i was so pumped...
Where's the cool level headed street racer? You were really calm and collected while your hands were shaking, and you were pumped? Makes about as much sense as the rest of your post.
Originally posted by ZeroGTS

i ended up macking on every woman in sight.
Typical ending...... You're so fly. Who are you trying to impress? Were your hands still shaking? The reason you "mack"ed on every woman was because they all turned you down. The only impressive thing is that you were able to maintain your confidence enough to keep getting turned down.
Originally posted by ZeroGTS

Nothing like beating a car with 4 times the displacement and 4 more cylinders than you.

god. I rule.

Mustang. Its whats for dinner.
This overwhelmingly convinces me that you are a ricer, that's all there is to it. If you want a definition of ricer see my thread on the mentality of ricers.

Here you're just trying to impress everyone, but you're just making yourself look ignorant. You don't rule. From your double hop I would say that you're not a great driver. You don't know jack **** about cams, exhaust or Mustangs. 4 times the displacement? What are you stupid? Quit trying to impress people with how fly you are, and what a great driver you are.

BTW, I'm not flaming you because I don't believe your story. I think that it is entirely possible that you beat one of those mustangs, especially if the driver was bad. Just quit trying to be more than you are. Tell the truth and people will respect you more. Now, if you want to prove your superior driving skillz take your car to a track and show me a timeslip. Otherwise, have a nice life.

larryd

01-27-2002, 11:36 PM

OUCH :)

FastDriver

01-27-2002, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by ZeroGTS

and yes i do have superior driving skill.

i still beat him.

he can't drive.
I can.

I give people lessons on how to race their cars. i teach kids to drive a manual transmission without blowing it up.
smoother is faster.

the last three words officially make you retarded, congratulations! That's great advice for an autocross, but there's nothing smooth about powershifting or launching.

Originally posted by ZeroGTS

im sure some of you will agree.
If i don't do one, i'll do the other.

This is about the only girl I see you doing in the near future:
http://www.ls1.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=235827

nmyeti

01-27-2002, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by FastDriver
You need a ride in a real car, you would **** your pants, intense force? bwahahaha

I wasn't going to say it, but i am glad you did... The intense force you feel is torque, something that the celica even when modified quite a bit does not seem to have in abundance.

I'll bet you that a stock LS1 would make you cream your shorts and i think of stock LS1s as slow and boring comprared to the hit that my car has as the turbo comes on full song.

Originally posted by FastDriver
You don't know jack **** about cams, exhaust or Mustangs. 4 times the displacement? What are you stupid? Quit trying to impress people with how fly you are, and what a great driver you are.

Right on! This guy totally deserves the reaming he got here for several reasons. 1. He opened his mouth to show just how ingorant he really is about stangs, and 2. because he does not know that 1.8x4 does not = 5. Sad really, this must be the same rice math that has everyone thinking they get 15hp from this intake, or 20 from that exahust, when they have never been to a dyno to actually see what their car is making for power.

This kid may have killed a stang, but i think he decided to spice it up a bit...

I spend a lot of time around fast stangs, and i know that one day i'll have one for my fast car.

I just have to get the WRX fast enough to drive to the store for milk runs frist.

FastDriver

01-27-2002, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by nmyeti

I just have to get the WRX fast enough to drive to the store for milk runs frist.

I found this pretty funny :D. I wish I could run a WRX like yours. It'd be a great race. I mean this in no condescending way, but I've never had a real good run from a 4 banger, at least not yet. I know there are plenty out there, I just haven't raced enough, yet.

I think that a WRX would be particularly fun to run against, because you should launch like a bat outta hell, but I should start to reel you end towards the end of the track, and it would be a close call, though now that I realize your at 5100 ft, I would be in trouble. How much would you pick up if you came down to my level (sea level)? I'm in the hunt from 11s down here @112-114.

nmyeti

01-28-2002, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by FastDriver

I found this pretty funny :D. I wish I could run a WRX like yours. It'd be a great race. I mean this in no condescending way, but I've never had a real good run from a 4 banger, at least not yet. I know there are plenty out there, I just haven't raced enough, yet.

I think that a WRX would be particularly fun to run against, because you should launch like a bat outta hell, but I should start to reel you end towards the end of the track, and it would be a close call, though now that I realize your at 5100 ft, I would be in trouble. How much would you pick up if you came down to my level (sea level)? I'm in the hunt from 11s down here @112-114.

I ran that time on my old smaller turbo, so its not where the setup is now. I got to drive that setup to sea level though, and the difference was pretty large. I'd say it felt as good on pump gas as it did up at altitude on race gas. I walked an LS1 pretty hard while i was down there.

At sea level the car had so much more torque off boost, and spooled the turbo 1000rpms sooner. This made it easy to launch, and seemed like it would have made for a much quicker 1/8 mile.

The old turbo was getting close to the edge of what it would put out on the old setup at altitude, so the drop to sea level gave me a little less intake chage heat... i would have expected that i would have trapped around 114-115 or so down at sea level.

I figure on the new turbo i should be in the 115+ range up here now... the turbo has 120mph in it, i just have to take my time and tune it to run that.

by the way fast enough for milk runs is 11.5@120 for my car ;)

Then i'll start playing around with a turbo 5.0 which will be much too fast to drive to the store. A friend of mine works in John Urst's shop here in Albuquerque. Having a 7 second turbo 5.0 close by, and having had a very good look at the setup, makes me really want to play around with that platform.

FastDriver

01-28-2002, 12:30 AM

Damn, with AWD would 120 be good for low 11s? Is there a point were it becomes better to have a RWD system? What kind of 60s are you running?

I see a turbo setup for my car, but it will be much, much later in my life, and probably after I blow this block up with naws. At some point I'll have a buddy with a badass 351W and I'll have to run a 150 shot to stay ahead of him. I think that'll be the limit for it considering it has right at 10:1 CR right now. Maybe I'll get some good solid 10 second passes out of it when I do that? But that's still a couple years off.

You're doing a great job with that WRX. You're definitely the fastest one I've heard of. I think it is awesome to do it in a car that doesn't have a cookie cutter example to follow. Me, I'll just stick with what is easy.

Now, hurry up and get it in shape to run to the store. You guys must be starving.

Chris

nmyeti

01-28-2002, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by FastDriver
Damn, with AWD would 120 be good for low 11s? Is there a point were it becomes better to have a RWD system? What kind of 60s are you running?

I see a turbo setup for my car, but it will be much, much later in my life, and probably after I blow this block up with naws. At some point I'll have a buddy with a badass 351W and I'll have to run a 150 shot to stay ahead of him. I think that'll be the limit for it considering it has right at 10:1 CR right now. Maybe I'll get some good solid 10 second passes out of it when I do that? But that's still a couple years off.

You're doing a great job with that WRX. You're definitely the fastest one I've heard of. I think it is awesome to do it in a car that doesn't have a cookie cutter example to follow. Me, I'll just stick with what is easy.

Now, hurry up and get it in shape to run to the store. You guys must be starving.

Chris

Chris,
I cut 1.71 60 foot times with the stock clutch, and the stock mud and snow tires... not bad if you ask me

My 12.3 was at 110.4 and for each mph you add you can usually take .1 off the ET assuming the 60 foot stays the same.

So with enough power to add 10mph i figure i can take just under a second off the ET, but 11.5@120 is a very reasonable goal.

There does come a point where AWD is really not that much of a help. I have a firend that has a Fox body 5.0 that runs almost identical times to me... same 60s same 1/8 same ET same mph.

Only he does it with a bit less power...

FastDriver

01-28-2002, 12:39 AM

Thanks for the explanation. And I've never even heard of a 1.70 on stock everything without even DRs. That's **** hot!!!

Chris

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 07:25 AM

1.70 on stock EVERYTHING? hmmm

damn thats REALLY REALLY good..best dsm awd on street tires i heard is 1.8..

nmyeti

01-28-2002, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by SlasherX
1.70 on stock EVERYTHING? hmmm

damn thats REALLY REALLY good..best dsm awd on street tires i heard is 1.8..

1.71 on stock clutch, flywheel, mud and snow tires. I had modified lots of other stuff, but not those parts. I dont even have a two step yet.

video of the run is in my sig...

as far as the dsm thing, thats not true. I have friends that run 1.6s easy, but they don't do it with the stock clutch.

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by nmyeti

1.71 on stock clutch, flywheel, mud and snow tires. I had modified lots of other stuff, but not those parts. I dont even have a two step yet.

video of the run is in my sig...

as far as the dsm thing, thats not true. I have friends that run 1.6s easy, but they don't do it with the stock clutch.

aye, i meant all stock on the dsm thing.

any you cut it though, you're really maximizing those 60 foots quite well..good job, and good driving. :)

racinjason

01-28-2002, 10:03 AM

Just to help clarify some things. And yes I know plenty about Mustangs and modded ones. Many stangs are short on top end unless they are cammed for it. The GT-S has an incredible top end that I personally have used to walk many mustangs. Which I stated previously. I can not defend all statements made by Zero. As many seemed to be hyped for an entertaining thread. And many times when you race things aren't always as they seem. But usually the faster the speed the better chance the GT-S has of pulling ahead. At 110 I would expect the GT-S to over take some mildly moddified cars. I have played with a Carrera 4 at over 140mph I can tell you from experience how well a GT-S goes at high speed.

nmyeti

01-28-2002, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by racinjason
Just to help clarify some things. And yes I know plenty about Mustangs and modded ones. Many stangs are short on top end unless they are cammed for it. The GT-S has an incredible top end that I personally have used to walk many mustangs. Which I stated previously. I can not defend all statements made by Zero. As many seemed to be hyped for an entertaining thread. And many times when you race things aren't always as they seem. But usually the faster the speed the better chance the GT-S has of pulling ahead. At 110 I would expect the GT-S to over take some mildly moddified cars. I have played with a Carrera 4 at over 140mph I can tell you from experience how well a GT-S goes at high speed.

I had my GT-S to a gps indicated 149mph at over a mile high... i know how well the GT-S does on the top end. Its quite nice, i wouldn't call it incredible... i mean a 800hp supra is incredible, but its nice all the same.

The kill i dont doubt, but the extra exciting details look very made up.

FastDriver

01-28-2002, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by racinjason
Just to help clarify some things. And yes I know plenty about Mustangs and modded ones. Many stangs are short on top end unless they are cammed for it. The GT-S has an incredible top end that I personally have used to walk many mustangs. Which I stated previously. I can not defend all statements made by Zero. As many seemed to be hyped for an entertaining thread. And many times when you race things aren't always as they seem. But usually the faster the speed the better chance the GT-S has of pulling ahead. At 110 I would expect the GT-S to over take some mildly moddified cars. I have played with a Carrera 4 at over 140mph I can tell you from experience how well a GT-S goes at high speed.

A GTS may be a very aerodynamic car, but I'm still not convinced it would pull a 5.0 at 110. 110 is a pretty sweet spot in 3rd gear for a 5.0 with 2.73s. What do GTSes trap? That's usually a fair comparison on how a highway race would go. I think a good speed for that year 5.0 is right arond 94-95 considering I got 98 out of an 89 5.0 and they were heavier.

Chris

Mistrimeat

01-28-2002, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by FastDriver

This is about the only girl I see you doing in the near future:
http://www.ls1.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=235827 [/B]

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!! :O

Acilec

01-28-2002, 12:54 PM

Hi everyone,

I've raced about six mustangs in my GT. I had the Injen CAI for a while and recently added a TRD exhaust. I raced a Stang yesterday and hung with him perfectly. It was a Cobra. I guess his car was an automatic or something because I was in shock that I was nose to nose with him. I've beaten two 5.0 stangs by about a car length to two car lenghts. But I've also been beaten by them. Eitherway, let's all stop bickering. It's all about having fun. But as far as who's got the better car, judging from my own experience and that of others here, I would say that it all depends on the driver, and most people in Mustangs have no idea what they're doing anyway. Those that do almost always win or put up a good fight. My Mustang kill ratio is at 50 percent.

latez,

Fin

Mistrimeat

01-28-2002, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Acilec
most people in Mustangs have no idea what they're doing anyway.

WOW - You must personally know every Mustang owner in existence to be making such a broad and idiotic generalisation.

Acilec

01-28-2002, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Mistrimeat

WOW - You must personally know every Mustang owner in existence to be making such a broad and idiotic generalisation.

Alright Mr. Original Gluesniffer,

Well, maybe I should narrow it down to Florida Mustang owners then? Seriously, there are a crapload of Mustangs here and everytime I look to see who's driving, it's either a punk dumb young kid who has an N'Sync haircut or some older mid 40's blond rich wife with her thumb up a Chihuahua's ass!

I said most mustang drivers don't know what they're doing because they buy it for the name and just use it for everyday driving. The only place I've seen serious mustang drivers that are worthy of their car are at the track. They know their car and don't have automatic transmissions. They also don't drive like old ladies. I'm not anti-mustang, but these are the facts. It's a popular car and many idiots will buy them as a result. I personally hate the new body style. I really dig the old mustangs (64+).

I've also seen some idiotic Celica drivers out there. So eitherway, it's f-d up. It's just that there are so many mustangs that it's taken away some of the original aura of the car.

So there Mistrimeat, put that on a sandwich.

Fin

Slade_Templar

01-28-2002, 01:32 PM

Hmmm, i raced a cobra on the highway the other day. I believe it was pretty modified since i couldn't pull on him, it was more like the other way around. 4.6 Cobra's love forced induction btw. I don't know what it had, but I pull lots of things short of LS1's on the highway now... this thing was fast. And... i think i run a bit faster than a 15.8 like you...

Acilec

01-28-2002, 01:36 PM

See, that proves that the driver is ultimately responsible. Cobras are sick cars. I was lucky to even hang with one for a little bit.

MR2 old school rules man. Keep up the love.

Slade_Templar

01-28-2002, 02:05 PM

hopefully i can find him again when i get my alcohol injection and am running 20psi. 300rwhp might beat him? If i still cant ill have to go get some 100octane and bump up to 25psi hehe

racinjason

01-28-2002, 02:10 PM

GT-S traps at 95 usually.

Most modded stangs are running a good set of gears which don't help
with
high speeds.

If you look at Mustangs the power is lower in the band which is normal
for
a V8. Then as you move up the powerband the power slacks off. This
happens
with alot of stock turboed DSM's like my mom's as well. Again this is
all
looking at a stock Mustang powerband. Certain mods can change this. But
if
you look at a GT-S it's power is after 6000rpms. Everytime we shift we
jump
into the best part of the powerband and we get great exceloration up
through 140+ mph. It's not a Porsche or WS6 beater but it can hang with
some suprising company. Weather it's gearing, areodynamics, powerband,
etc.
The higher the mph the better off we are. Playing with a WRX, TSi,
Stang
GT, Carrera 4, etc at highway speed impresses alot of people. Going
from a
dead stop to 60mph or so I wouldn't fool with the WRX or Carrera 4 one
bit.

Also a good 60ft time for a GT-S is a 2.25 or so. That's better than
what I
did with my 14.44@98 run(2.28). A Mustang with street tires does around
a
2.0 right? It's been awhile... We know a 2.0 and a 2.25 is a huge
difference for a 60ft time. If I race a stang at the track or on the
street
they always get 1 1/2 cars or better at the start. I always know I
gotta
play catchup. Same goes for a GSX or TSi. They usually pull a good 2
1/2
cars. Then by 70-80 I usually pull even and pass them with at least a
half
car in the 1/4 or 95mph. If I run either of these from a start. Like a
GSX
that ran 14.3 and the 95 Cobra w/mods I talked about eariler I ran both
of
them from a roll. The 95 Cobra should be running close to a 13.8-13.9
or so
on Street tires, (rough guess) I could match him pretty much from
40mph. He
gotta good launch and pulled 1/2 a car. I reeled him in by 85-90 and
was
creepin slowly by. But his car is prolly a good 1/2 second quicker in
the
1/4. The GSX was fairly close to my 1/4. We went from 40. She got a
good 1
1/2 car lead at the start and by 60 I was to her rear tires and by 90 I
was
a good car, car and a half or so a head of her. I've hung with an
orange
auto/convertable Camaro z28 in town as well. Going from 45 to 75 We
were
pretty close with him just barely ahead. Granted he probably runs a
high 13
low 14. I never seen a V8 owner so pissed! He was some young kid with
his
GF in the car. Couldn't believe his eyes.

Back to the topic. If I was a betting man I put my cash on the GT-S at
110
over the GT stang every time. A 98 trap on a GT is extremely high for
most
runs and probably has something done to it, tire pressure, seat removed
etc. 97-98 traps are reserved for 5.0 coupes mostly. 94-96 is pretty
close
to the norm for a GT and even the LX hatch. I forget what the 0-60 is.
Around 6.0 right? The GT-S is around 6.6-6.7. It pretty much works
out.

We also gotta take into account alot of these kids run some tired 5.0's
with some serious beatings and miles on them. That never helps. A well
maintained 5.0 will run rings around a wore out one. I don't even
bother
playing with a 5.0 if it looks like it was rode hard and put away wet.
Unless the kid is being a pest.

powercx

01-28-2002, 02:20 PM

I hang with a 996 Porsche for a good .3 to .5 seconds. That means my car is as fast since I hang with it for a little bit. Damn.

Mistrimeat

01-28-2002, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Acilec

Alright Mr. Original Gluesniffer,

Well, maybe I should narrow it down to Florida Mustang owners then? Seriously, there are a crapload of Mustangs here and everytime I look to see who's driving, it's either a punk dumb young kid who has an N'Sync haircut or some older mid 40's blond rich wife with her thumb up a Chihuahua's ass!

I said most mustang drivers don't know what they're doing because they buy it for the name and just use it for everyday driving. The only place I've seen serious mustang drivers that are worthy of their car are at the track. They know their car and don't have automatic transmissions. They also don't drive like old ladies. I'm not anti-mustang, but these are the facts. It's a popular car and many idiots will buy them as a result. I personally hate the new body style. I really dig the old mustangs (64+).

I've also seen some idiotic Celica drivers out there. So eitherway, it's f-d up. It's just that there are so many mustangs that it's taken away some of the original aura of the car.

So there Mistrimeat, put that on a sandwich.

Fin

Ouch! You sure put me in my place!!!!

Still - I'm not exactly sure how you know the reason everyone buys a Mustang and what the consumer demographic is comprised of. Did you work for Ford's marketing/research dept? Where did you acquire this data? Are you clairvoyant? Seems like this is still an unscientifically backed assumption on your part. Don't get so defensive - you just got called out for making moronic statements on what your perception of the average Mustang owner is, even though they are based solely on your opinion, not fact.

Care to elaborate...? *yawn*

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 04:06 PM

Acilec-

NO you did not hang with a Cobra. I'm sorry, his car is loud, im sure and you thought he was at WOT..trust me..there is no way in hell that a GT celica running 15.8 is playing with one of those guys at any speed. great top end, all that, NO.

As for Mustang drivers not being able to drive..well...honestly..ill put my money down that the secretaries and teenage/college girls who go out and buy celica's cant drive that well either. as for the people who buy the car for performance, ill still put money down that the mustang guys have better drivers based on overall experience alone..some of these guys have been racing them since the 64 1/2 first rolled off the assembly line. you have your choice of professional draggers like John Force, autocrossers like John Lindsey, Bruce Griggs, etc. the list goes on..there are some pretty badass people with their reputations made cuz of the car and their driving/tuning work, etc.

so blanket statements just won't work when addresing that issue..the demographics of the mustang v6 are mostly female..the demographics of the GT and Cobra are mostly male. those are the facts. but that doesnt mean anything really, i mean think about it..we all know plenty of people do race teh car pretty heavily, even basing their careers on it..so obviously they are out there...just hope you stay lucky and dont run into one of em ;)

Racinjason-

anything's possible..at those speeds on a public road i wouldnt call it a race so much as two people doign kamikaze run's. its people who do stuff like that that give street racing a bad name, as they are usually the ones ending up sprayed across an intersection. as for how fast a cobra or GT is at those speeds, i don't think i could care less, cuz im not dumb enough to push a car that fast on a road designed for 65mph and under. its your life though, and im sure you're not like everyone else thats plowed through people and things. its just irresponsible and stupid if you ask me...if you cant beat em below 100, maybe you should just mod your car more...or buy a quicker one.

EDIT: another thing you guys need to realize...STREET RACING IS NOT AN INDICATION OF ACTUAL PERFORMANCE! for instance a v6 guy running 14.2's recently beat a 13.5 cobra in a street race by a car. now i ask you..which car is faster? obviously not the v6..but in the street race he won...so what does that mean? answer is NOTHING. the cobra is the faster car, in trap and in E.T. than the v6. but if you went on teh internet and posted that kill..it would be no different than most of the ones posted here, huh?

my point exactly. what you do on the street is a half assed way of knowing for sure, until you get some timeslips. the other driver could have launched hard, gotten his 2 lengths, then let off, you flyby, he is in 3rd instead of 2nd, and loses cuz of his bog, etc. you just enver know. stop basing an automobiles performance on such stupid crap.

Acilec

01-28-2002, 04:56 PM

Ok, ok, I don't want to fight with you guys, you all bring up some good points. Yeah there is no way I should be able to hang with a Cobra, but I swear I did. Maybe he mis-shifted. Mistrimeat, no offense to you either. I respect your posts here online and we've agreed on many things in the past so I just got a little upset when you called my comment "idiotic". It's just my own personal perception as that is all I've seen on the road here so far as far as mustangs are concerned. It just seems that way and that seems to be the reputation that I've heard from other people in the import world as well. Maybe it's just a pride thing, I don't know. Maybe I got caught up in the "Celicas are the best" thing.

Hey, arguments are healthy right? You guys put me in my place, but I'm not lying about racing the Cobra. I still feel that it is the driver that counts.

Slasher X, hey man, no disrespect to you or the mustangs, but I've been on the road long enough to see a mustang almost every day I drive and it really seems like the people driving them are not your regular car enthusiast. I guess I just have something against people that buy a sports car and don't use the damn thing. It's a personal pet peeve, so let me be.

No hard feelings!

Take care,

Fin

ZeroGTS

01-28-2002, 05:04 PM

i will have to agree.
most of the mustang owners around here are kids with no idea about performance and how things work.
ive seen people stick cams made for 6000rpm + operation...on a stock motor.
stupid things like that. they say "oh its just like VTEC"

you would understand why i hate the average stang owner.
i did go to the track also...but it was raining.

i ran through the lights...(wasnt sposed to..but i wasnt goin home without a run)
and ran the 1/4 anyway. trapped at about 100.
didnt see my time ont he screen (you cant if youre at HRP...if youve been there youd know. im not evens ure if they measured it)
but then they told me "bad!" and made me get back in line.
five minutes later HRP was closed due to drizzling.
a big waste of a day.
i also have more mods than some of you know about...

anyway...it was a good run.
im looking forward to racing some more mustangs.
this kid was asking for it. im still waiting to hear about how much ridiculing he got at school. His "lethal weapon" got smoked.

You can't win em all, but it happens sometimes.
i do lose a lot too. hard to always win when youre surrounded by $100k+ sportscars.

oldster

01-28-2002, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by SlasherX
[B]Acilec-

you have your choice of professional draggers like John Force, autocrossers like John Lindsey, Bruce Griggs, etc. the list goes on..there are some pretty badass people with their reputations made cuz of the car and their driving/tuning work, etc.

B]

X, I like your posts but using Force as an example is pretty humorous. His Mustang is as much Ford as Skuza's Mopar, NOT.

racinjason

01-28-2002, 05:45 PM

its people who do stuff like that that give street racing a bad name
When did street racing ever have a good name???

Slasher you seem to be very defensive tonight. These races happened well over a year ago. On a road that gets little to no traffic at 11:30pm at night. I don't make a habit of this and probably street race less than you. So don't give me the dad speach on street racing. That's not what this post is about. I could care less if a kid wraps himself around a tree at 100mph as long as he doesn't do it on a crowded street or in a residential neighborhood and take inocent people with him.
But call it what you want. It doesn't much matter to me. I rarely race anyone on the street let alone go over 100mph. But I am sure you stay under the speed limit and don't fool around with the ricer civic beside you once in a great while... RIIIIIIIGHHHHT! This I might add has all happened as well at the strip which I try to find time to frequent once in a while.

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by oldster

X, I like your posts but using Force as an example is pretty humorous. His Mustang is as much Ford as Skuza's Mopar, NOT.

Shhhh ;)

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Acilec
Ok, ok, I don't want to fight with you guys, you all bring up some good points. Yeah there is no way I should be able to hang with a Cobra, but I swear I did. Maybe he mis-shifted. Mistrimeat, no offense to you either. I respect your posts here online and we've agreed on many things in the past so I just got a little upset when you called my comment "idiotic". It's just my own personal perception as that is all I've seen on the road here so far as far as mustangs are concerned. It just seems that way and that seems to be the reputation that I've heard from other people in the import world as well. Maybe it's just a pride thing, I don't know. Maybe I got caught up in the "Celicas are the best" thing.

Hey, arguments are healthy right? You guys put me in my place, but I'm not lying about racing the Cobra. I still feel that it is the driver that counts.

Slasher X, hey man, no disrespect to you or the mustangs, but I've been on the road long enough to see a mustang almost every day I drive and it really seems like the people driving them are not your regular car enthusiast. I guess I just have something against people that buy a sports car and don't use the damn thing. It's a personal pet peeve, so let me be.

No hard feelings!

Take care,

Fin

bah, its never anything personal. i can def. agree with you on people not using performance cars the right way. they do it for the image and attention and thats the same thing that being a riceboy basically comes down to. way i look at it..if you need your car to make friends, meet women, look cool, then you're a helpless bastard :) use it like the machine it is, make it stronger, better, faster, etc. then maybe you can be cool on your own.

and i know i own a mustang and regularly defend it on here, but by no means is my life revolved around them, i do indeed like the celica, and other imports. hell, i ws looking into buying another dsm turbo, or an rsx recently. in teh end i preferred to have low end torque in my daily driver, but def. know whats up with those cars..i do like them all. ...well..not sure about honda's.. ;) jk

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by racinjason

When did street racing ever have a good name???

Slasher you seem to be very defensive tonight. These races happened well over a year ago. On a road that gets little to no traffic at 11:30pm at night. I don't make a habit of this and probably street race less than you. So don't give me the dad speach on street racing. That's not what this post is about. I could care less if a kid wraps himself around a tree at 100mph as long as he doesn't do it on a crowded street or in a residential neighborhood and take inocent people with him.
But call it what you want. It doesn't much matter to me. I rarely race anyone on the street let alone go over 100mph. But I am sure you stay under the speed limit and don't fool around with the ricer civic beside you once in a great while... RIIIIIIIGHHHHT! This I might add has all happened as well at the strip which I try to find time to frequent once in a while.

defensive? who you callign defensive?!?! :P

seriously though..my whole point behind the post was that, the celica may be one of the quickest cars out there above 120, or it may not, but whatever it is, it really doesnt matter to me, and shouldnt to most others cuz you realistically can't USE that.

as for me street racing..hmm..last tiem i did it was..damn..umm...that black v6 camaro at clemson..which was november i think? the riced out civic next to me i usually just ignore cuz either he'll blow my doors off, or ill walk all over him..so basically its not worth my gas either way...now..v6 camaro...oh boy..then its ON!..haha jk.

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by ZeroGTS
i will have to agree.
most of the mustang owners around here are kids with no idea about performance and how things work.
ive seen people stick cams made for 6000rpm + operation...on a stock motor.
stupid things like that. they say "oh its just like VTEC"

you would understand why i hate the average stang owner.
you have to learn that idiots are owners of every car. by making a generalization that stang owners are this certain way, it is no better than me saying all celica owners are this way. it is just not a truth or fact. most of my friends own imports and i rag on them and they rag on me out of mutual respect and friendship..every now and then we al come across our share of idiots with a certain type of car..for instance check out mustangworld.com UBB board...BUNCH of idiots..BUT...you can NOT let that make you think that they ALL are like that. I can dissect my engine inside and out pretty much mentally, but i also know that car X will still smoke the block i envision. the car i own just hapens to be a mustang right now, by no means does that make me an idiot, daddys car driving, no talent ass clown.

i did go to the track also...but it was raining.

i ran through the lights...(wasnt sposed to..but i wasnt goin home without a run)
and ran the 1/4 anyway. trapped at about 100.
didnt see my time ont he screen (you cant if youre at HRP...if youve been there youd know. im not evens ure if they measured it)
but then they told me "bad!" and made me get back in line.
five minutes later HRP was closed due to drizzling.
a big waste of a day.
i also have more mods than some of you know about...

unless you were a man and did engine work yourself or paid big bucks for custom work by a professional, your mods are I/E, aem pulley, short shifter and nitrous. there's no secret about any celica mods.

anyway...it was a good run.

coming down from your cloud i see.

im looking forward to racing some more mustangs.
this kid was asking for it. im still waiting to hear about how much ridiculing he got at school. His "lethal weapon" got smoked.

gotta love it when a big mouth gets shut up, i sure do when my v6 beats someone's (insert car here)

You can't win em all, but it happens sometimes.
i do lose a lot too. hard to always win when youre surrounded by $100k+ sportscars.

reality seems to have met you...congratulations.

racinjason

01-28-2002, 07:43 PM

LOL V6 Camaro. Come on Slasher that is a waste of your gas. Except maybe the Special RS edition with ground effects. Realistically sometimes people do get over 120 mph. I have gottem to a Speedo indicated 145. Will likely never do it again as it scared the crap outta me. But I have been know to hit 100mph in under 15 seconds. LOL It's been used before on a long lonely stretch or two or three. But realistically going as fast as you can to 65 is illegal just the same as going over the speed limit. But I haven't raced anyone since the summer probably, that snot in the Z3 lol.

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by racinjason
LOL V6 Camaro. Come on Slasher that is a waste of your gas. Except maybe the Special RS edition with ground effects. Realistically sometimes people do get over 120 mph. I have gottem to a Speedo indicated 145. Will likely never do it again as it scared the crap outta me. But I have been know to hit 100mph in under 15 seconds. LOL It's been used before on a long lonely stretch or two or three. But realistically going as fast as you can to 65 is illegal just the same as going over the speed limit. But I haven't raced anyone since the summer probably, that snot in the Z3 lol.

heh, i outrun v6 f-bod's all the time without much problems. :) RS only makes them an easier kill.

you got me on the legality between all that, but at 120mph your ass goes to jail do not pass go..at 65 you get a ticket ;)

larryd

01-28-2002, 10:35 PM

well i just must be a crazy bastard or something cuz I had several races start from over 100 mph.. the Celica does have incredible top end.. ill give it that.. but ofcourse as with everything else theres alot of cars out there that modified will walk away from a celica top end..

SlasherX

01-28-2002, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by larryd
well i just must be a crazy bastard or something cuz I had several races start from over 100 mph.. the Celica does have incredible top end.. ill give it that.. but ofcourse as with everything else theres alot of cars out there that modified will walk away from a celica top end..

larry..when was you being a crazy bastard ever in question? :D

FastDriver

01-28-2002, 10:57 PM

racinjason,

You may be right about the race at 110. I personally feel that any old 5.0 or 99+ would make it a race at those speeds. I'd like to see this race. If I had to bet on one or the other I'd go with the mustang, but I wouldn't bet more than I could afford to lose.

I have to concede your point on worn out 5.0s.

The 14.2@98 with a 2.1 60' that I ran in my 89 LX 5.0 had no weight removal. It was a hatch back and had a good deal of options. I had 2 things done to the car: 1. a flat panel K&N filter which realistically gave me 3-5 hp, and 2. I had glasspack mufflers, which by all accounts does nothing if not hurts overall hp. I didn't have stock tires on it as the car was 10 years old, but they were $56/tire BFG Radial T/As.

I may have jumped to quickly in declaring that a 5.0 will handle a GTS at 110, but that comes from 1 little experience of my own:

I have a buddy with a 99 V6 mustang that has a short shifter, and a MAC CAI, and pep boys Futura Zs (225s). I was with him on the highway as we passed a GTS, I saw the badge with my own eyes. I egged on the race with keith wanting him to lose face. We lined up and raced from about a 65 roll all the way to the top end of the mustang which is a limited 115 or 117. Keith pulled about 2 cars right off the bat and stayed there until the celica dropped out at around 110. This is a V6 mind you. Now, I don't know anything about the car other than it was definitely a celica, and it definitely had a GTS badge on the rear end. It could have been an auto, but even so we were in a V6 not a GT.

This particular V6 I ran personally at the track to a 14.98@92-93 mph(I dont remember exactly). I've shown slasher the timeslip to verify it, but I don't have it right now. I could probably find it.......Anyway, since then I have not been too impressed by GTSs.

Now, in a highway race the driver is pretty much removed from the equation unless they shift the car prior to redline, which in these cars is the appropriate shift point. All that being said, a GT 5.0 *should* be stronger than Keith's V6 was, and there's no comparison to a Cobra.

FastDriver

01-28-2002, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by racinjason

I could care less if a kid wraps himself around a tree at 100mph as long as he doesn't do it on a crowded street or in a residential neighborhood and take inocent people with him.

I'm with you on this. If someone takes the time and does not risk innocent people I don't think there is a problem with it. If they do it in a city or around intersections or other traffic, then they are being irresponsible with the lives of others, and that's when I believe it is wrong.

Of course, I'm a little biased. I've raced to pretty stupid speeds several times. I tried to max out my old 5.0 on an interstate with no other traffic, but even then at 135 the car just didn't feel right to me and I wasn't comfortable going faster. On the otherhand I raced a Z28 in my father's 99 vette and let off at 165 after I had come from behind and gotten about 3 cars. That was at night and I was outrunning my headlights (a figure of speech understood by anyone whose been that fast on a road not well lit). That's was the stupidest street race I had ever taken part in. I wouldn't hesitate to take a vette to 165 on the same stretch because it was ~3 miles long straight and the vette was absolutely stable at that speed, but it was too dark and I couldv'e easily hit something I couldn't see. I took the risk, and I would accept the responsibility of my own fatality.

larryd

01-28-2002, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by SlasherX

larry..when was you being a crazy bastard ever in question? :D

haha.. true true ;)

racinjason

01-29-2002, 09:27 PM

165!!! DAUM. I don't think I'd let myself get that fast ever. 140+ was fast enough for me.

If the GT-S you ran was an auto you'd probably smoke em by at least 2 cars. They are pretty slow. The auto trannies loose over 20 more hp to the ground than a 6 speed. Not to mention the gearing. It could have been a 6speed as well. Who knows. I've seen and participated in crazy races with crazy outcomes.

If I street race I try to be smart about it if there is such a thing. Cause street racing is dumb to begin with.

FastDriver

01-30-2002, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by racinjason
165!!! DAUM. I don't think I'd let myself get that fast ever. 140+ was fast enough for me.

I know, it was really stupid, but I didn't care at the time. I never drove my father's corvette hard until that week. My father died the week before, and I was going crazy.

I don't doubt that it was an auto, but even if it was going from an auto to a 6 speed probably wouldn't gain the advantage gained by going from a V6 to a 5.0. I don't know, at over 110 it would be a race and that is the point to a race. It isn't exciting if you already know the outcome.

Chris

Chumpchiggy

01-30-2002, 08:57 AM

Guy's, don't make me close this post please. Keep it rational.

I read this whole post, and alot of you are speaking out of anger and dishaste for other vehicles... It's a celica site, if you can't deal with that, leave.

Name calling and childish antics will no longer be tollerated, I'm pretty sure Bill cleared that up...

Slasher, Zero does have custom internal work done... maybe you haven't followed his progress because you don't venture out of this forum too much. Nonetheless, he's prepped for FI. Just an FYI...

racinjason

01-30-2002, 09:42 AM

CC: don't worry. I've calmed this down bud.

oldster

01-30-2002, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Chumpchiggy
Guy's, don't make me close this post please. Keep it rational.

I read this whole post, and alot of you are speaking out of anger and dishaste for other vehicles... It's a celica site, if you can't deal with that, leave.

Name calling and childish antics will no longer be tollerated, I'm pretty sure Bill cleared that up...

Slasher, Zero does have custom internal work done... maybe you haven't followed his progress because you don't venture out of this forum too much. Nonetheless, he's prepped for FI. Just an FYI...

I knew he put in the LSD and clutch, what else did he do?

Chumpchiggy

01-30-2002, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by oldster

I knew he put in the LSD and clutch, what else did he do?

I'm really not at liberty to say... we discussed it on AIM one night. I believe he's already had the manifold custom made, done some other internal work, and I "think" he's bought the turbo... just needs to have it installed and tuned I believe....

ZeroGTS

01-30-2002, 11:31 AM

actually, most of the internal work isnt done yet.
the manifold is only an engineering sketch. my friend is an engineer and we have a sketchy design.
i have measured the amount of space toyota gave us to put in a manifold.

all i need is a good machine shop that wont skimp out.
if igured now is a good time to explain what else

ive lightened a lot of weight. in addition to lightweight wheels
ive done some internal lightening. obviously the spare is out, but that night so was my interior.
most of it is back on, but im going to remove a lot of the sound dampening material and replace it with pieces of strategically placed felt bits to keep vibration to a minimum. the doors are my next project as they have a large amount of removeable weight.

backseats are optional...but they are back in as im going to be showing my car.

if your car doesnt seem to be running in a good state of tune...reset the ECU over and over until it works to your liking. take onf ot shose air/fuel meters to ensure its all running right.

i had to take in my car because it was running lean for a while.
my car has always run a bit lean...probably which results in a little added hp...cept that it kept tripping ECU CEL codes.

ive also had some seat time with professional drivers and some amateurs who are very skilled (read: RICH)

if you guys ever want me to post my manifold design ill see what i can do. i dont have anything besides this antiquated laptop right now.

the msutang was a convertible so that wasnt helping him any, but i have beaten a stock mustang GT automatic that was BRAND NEW style when i had only the "intake"

removing the foglight ont he left creates a kind of "ramming" effect on the air. But it looks ugly...very temporary.

also keep in mind that i live in houston...low altitudes help small displacement cars it seems.
guys here run some fast times.

my web site should soon be updated with good information on where the celica has room to remove weight.

but then again the interior is so easy to remove its almost easier just to not have it there.

also...even if you have an aftermarket exhaust...unbolting it still gives you gains....just a little hint :)

i may be removing the need for that by taking my tanabe muffler and just welding a straight pipe from the cat all the way back, bypassing the resonator.

the point of this race story is i was out that night looking for trouble, i dont thinkt hat the mustang was.
i caught him sleeping, but he still lacked a lot of top end pull, but then again if he IS indeed a 5.0....he shoudl have been faster.

he looked about 15-16
maybe he just needs some launching help.

im going to the track soon, ill keep everyone updated on what kind of slips i get back.

also...our head is relatively easy to pull.
anyone done a port and polish on it?
im wondering if its worth the money because obviously ic ant do it myself.