New NEON SRT-4 will kick our ass..

[Modern Angel]

Heh.. this sucks.. a new turbocharged, 205 HP NEON is gonna go on sale this year as a 2003 model for under $20,000 !

.. ...

Read all the gory details here:

http://www.4adodge.com/autoshow/news_events/index.html

[Keyshawn]

Hopefully, when our performance aftermarket kicks into gear and we finally have WCT's turbo kit, Blitz's SC, or Crower's cams available FOR REAL, we'll be putting those Neons back in their place. That's the beauty of having real performance parts (which we don't have just yet).

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Hopefully, when our performance aftermarket kicks into gear and we finally have WCT's turbo kit, Blitz's SC, or Crower's cams available FOR REAL, we'll be putting those Neons back in their place. That's the beauty of having real performance parts (which we don't have just yet).

Agreed. Very well said Keyshawn.

[Modern Angel]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Hopefully, when our performance aftermarket kicks into gear and we finally have WCT's turbo kit, Blitz's SC, or Crower's cams available FOR REAL, we'll be putting those Neons back in their place. That's the beauty of having real performance parts (which we don't have just yet).

The thing is, though, is that you'll be spending much more than them.... and who's to say that they won't be able to just turn up their boost to match?

Oh well, it's still a NEON, right?? :)

[djm221]

Who knows, maybe Toyota will have the Celica back on top in 2004, maybe AWD or turbo or 2.0l 230HP is in the future; you never know. The bar is getting raised every year now (whoohoo!!!). When the Celica first came out, it was better than it's competition, and still is better than most performance wise.

But, I don't see the need to piss and moan about cars that are faster, they were always out there. At least none still come close on the looks unless you have over $50,000. I bet no magazines get 5.9 secs 0-60.

[static]

Yeah.. thats going to be one crazy car... hopefully it will have trouble putting all that power to the ground...

[GTS TRD]

3 words: its a neon

[CSteckel]

Unfortunately,
I believe the neons will get stronger in the "off road" area (like the wrx's) I bet that there will be MANY turbo upgrades for these cars, unlike ours. It's really depressing...my mom had a neon sport since they came out in 1994 and that car has sucked ever since...I kinda laughed. Now I'll have to worry about seeing then flying down the highways. %$$#@!@ OK, I'm irritated now...2004 Super Celica...come on, hurry!!

[TRDMarine]

Everyone needs to relax, just remember that concept cars are ALWAYS toned down when put into production. yes I can see this comming out obviously, but it will not be the same car.

"Los Angeles - What was sweet from the street is now even sweeter on it, as the Chrysler Group announces today it will build a production version of its 2000 Neon SRT concept car. "

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by GTS TRD
3 words: its a neon

And....?

My sister's runs 12's N/A and has won more trophy's on the show circuit through the Midwest than you could count....

It's a neon? Yup, and it'll smoke you easily....

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by TRDMarine
Everyone needs to relax, just remember that concept cars are ALWAYS toned down when put into production. yes I can see this comming out obviously but it will not be the same car.

This is the final production model... there was a press release on it last month but, God knows I can't find it now...

[soceur]

Originally posted by djm221
Who knows, maybe Toyota will have the Celica back on top in 2004, maybe AWD or turbo or 2.0l 230HP is in the future; you never know.



forget toyota in 2004 and on, unless they have their aftermarket in check Im not paying another dollar to profit TRD or toyota as a whole. I would have never gotten my celica (although i love her and am trying to see past the minimum power mods) if i knew that our aftermarket would be like this.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Modern Angel


The thing is, though, is that you'll be spending much more than them.... and who's to say that they won't be able to just turn up their boost to match?

Oh well, it's still a NEON, right?? :)

Yeah, but if you look how superior the Celica is to the Neon in other areas (interior finish, exterior styling, awesome brakes, reliability, etc.), you'll see that the extra cost is warranted.

[NSX_GTR_LM]

There is more to a car than just an engine. It may cost less, but that can be expected from a domestic. I have a feeling that my GT engine will be alot more reliable even if i get the WC turbo an drun 6 psi. Dodge is improving, but it still doesn't have me convinced. Let me also see slalom times, skidpad tests, and braking distances. Other things can also be taken into account (such as a test drive, what a concept) A car can look good on paper, but I wanna know how it feels. If you look at the celica on paper, you would never know that the clutch feels as great as it does (which was a big selling point for me) and it has a sweet feel on the road in terms of handling and responsiveness. The new Neon could be a great car, but we wont know until we actually get to drive it.

[CelicaDetective]

USA's very near future menu of cars for under 20-30K:

Subaru WRX STi
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO
Mazda RX-8
Nissan Z
Dodge Neon SRT
Acura RSX Type R
Saturn ION Turbo (replacement for S-Series coupes and sedans)

Toyota had better do something with the Celica to compete, SOON.

Mike

[ToyoGT]

Originally posted by soceur


forget toyota in 2004 and on, unless they have their aftermarket in check Im not paying another dollar to profit TRD or toyota as a whole. I would have never gotten my celica (although i love her and am trying to see past the minimum power mods) if i knew that our aftermarket would be like this.


You and me both dude. I feel you on this one

[Drew]

There is going to a PT Cruiser "Clone" was well.

[mecca]

Originally posted by Chumpchiggy


And....?

My sister's runs 12's N/A and has won more trophy's on the show circuit through the Midwest than you could count....

It's a neon? Yup, and it'll smoke you easily....

Oh please, it's a neon for god's sake. a neon is a neon, and no matter how fast you get it in the quarter it still has no style or class. the car is ugly as **** and no 1/4 time will change that. i dont care if i get smoked by a neon, i'll laugh in his face nonetheless for having no class or taste for that matter.

A neon is a neon.

[CeliMatz]

Originally posted by mecca


Oh please, it's a neon for god's sake. a neon is a neon, and no matter how fast you get it in the quarter it still has no style or class. the car is ugly as **** and no 1/4 time will change that. i dont care if i get smoked by a neon, i'll laugh in his face nonetheless for having no class or taste for that matter.

A neon is a neon.

well said...

[GTS TRD]

hehehe, thanks man, agreed

[Uncle Ben's White Rice]

I don't know about you guys, but I like that SRT-10!!! Holy ****, that is some serious s*** right there. I wonder how much that will run? I'll start saving now. My personal opinion on the neon, is good work to Dodge, but I don't like the styling of the car.

[RedNOSceli]

Originally posted by CelicaDetective
USA's very near future menu of cars for under 20-30K:

Subaru WRX STi
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO
Mazda RX-8
Nissan Z
Dodge Neon SRT
Acura RSX Type R
Saturn ION Turbo (replacement for S-Series coupes and sedans)

Toyota had better do something with the Celica to compete, SOON.

Mike

Mazda RX-8, Nissan Z, Subaru WRX STi are hardly in the same class as a celica..RSX Type R..Itll be fun...Neon, and a fast stock saturn? I doubt it. BTW, I did see the artical about the factory blown neon, but that will more then likely never see the market.

[QWKsilvr808]

Personally, I think it looks pretty cool, and the price for this thing is pretty damned good.

However, two of my friends own Neons ('96 Sport and '97 Highline) and the amount of problems they've had with them has been ridiculous. I'm not talking about just the minor little quirks here and there, I'm talking warped head gaskets, constant trans problems, and complete engine and brake system failures.

I'm curious to see how a high strung forced induction production Neon will do as far as reliability. I'm sure it'll be fast as hell outta the showroom, but I'd like to know how long it's gonna stay that way.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by RedNOSceli


Mazda RX-8, Nissan Z, Subaru WRX STi are hardly in the same class as a celica..RSX Type R..Itll be fun...Neon, and a fast stock saturn? I doubt it. BTW, I did see the artical about the factory blown neon, but that will more then likely never see the market.

Dodge announced that the turbo Neon is DEFINITELY coming to market.

[iDRIVE]

Originally posted by Uncle Ben's White Rice
I don't know about you guys, but I like that SRT-10!!! Holy ****, that is some serious s*** right there. I wonder how much that will run? I'll start saving now. My personal opinion on the neon, is good work to Dodge, but I don't like the styling of the car.

You better save up for Tylenol Super Duper Extra Strength. You'll need it.

SRT...Sucked on Reliability Test

[BRAK]

LMAO i had a neon before i had my celica ... WELL LETS JUST SAY TY DODGE FOR MAKING ME AN IMPORT LOVER. That car fell appart every time i parked it.
This new "fast" neon might do good times BUT it will be like one year and they gotta trade it in because the car is always breakin down. Just ask the repair shops about the nightmares they have seen dodges been in.
Dodge sucks

[nick450hp]

amen to that, neon's blow majorly, plus it's engine is the 2.4L out of the PT cruiser, and I saw the engine with turbo on display at the NAIAS this year, and that turbo is absolute s***! I saw plastic on a F***ing turbo!!!!!! The interior of the SRT-4 looks like it came out of a base Ram truck!!! even if it beats a celica in the 1/4 mile, you will be able to drive off and away from the track, but you might want to stop and help them pick up some of the pieces of their car laying on the track, because that car is only good for a 1/4 mile on the odometer before it goes terminal!!!!! LOL!!!!!

[RedNOSceli]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


Dodge announced that the turbo Neon is DEFINITELY coming to market.

I wasnt aware of that..Too bad, another "Fast" ugly car.

[racinjason]

I personally like the styling. It's not in the same class as the Celica but it's not bad. Dual exhaust, aftermarket style rims, hood scoop, white faced gauges, supportive seats. I had a Neon before my Celica I had no problems with it what so ever. I beat the **** out of it too. I would smoke the tires of in second while screwing with stangs. But I know Dodge quality lacks compared to other companies. Not sure how this is going to work out for them.

And to the socuer: Open your eyes!!! I can't see how anyone can be that disatisfied with the aftermarket of our car. You truely have been spoiled by the Civic.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by racinjason
And to the socuer: Open your eyes!!! I can't see how anyone can be that disatisfied with the aftermarket of our car. You truely have been spoiled by the Civic.

I'm just assuming, but he might not be into bodykits and appearance mods (which we have loads of), but might be into engine mods that make the car faster (which we don't have to much of).

[Fiero]

To recount what I posted before...


I had a Slushbox SOHC Neon Gen 1 for 2 years and can tell you that even if they were to make a 500hp W6 AWD Turbo Neon with built in seat massagers and complimentary super models for $5000, I wouldn't buy it! I have never had a car I hated so much.

First off, the Dodge dealer lied about the car being in an accident. They even tried to save a buck by putting two different size tires on front of the car!

Second I had to repair the window seal (driver side) FIVE TIMES!!! I got rained on in a car wash because of that piece of crap.

Third..oh screw the counting: The carpet faded and ripped, the CV boot cracked, the air conditioning system had to replaced...TWICE, brakes faded within 5000 miles (and I didn't even brake hard), the transmission "broke" as the mechanic told me, the muffler system rusted through, the hood rattled, the speakers one day just popped, the driver door had to be realigned three times, the radio simply died, and much much more.

This was all before 30,000 miles! I had to fight the dealership the entire way just to get them to look at my car anymore. One of the guys said "this is our lowest end car, you can't expect everything to work"! WTF?!

On a side note: DONT SHOP MASSEY-YARDLY Dealerships!!!!

To anyone considering getting this car, make sure you remember... as the dealer told me once... It's the cheapest car they make and they truly don't give a sh*t about it. A Neon, is a Neon....is a Neon.

[QWKsilvr808]

Originally posted by Fiero
...even if they were to make a 500hp W6 AWD Turbo Neon with built in seat massagers and complimentary super models for $5000, I wouldn't buy it!



Actually, they might actually get me with the complimentary supermodels, haha. :)

[XskoopX]

Originally posted by GTS TRD
3 words: its a neon

Uhhh..While TRD is laggin like turbo with our aftermarket, you know MOPAR will come up will come up with some goodies for it.

But I ain't trippin, I'll still Smoke a Neon anyday!..:)

[larryd]

ma all you guys need to take a step off your high throne of toyta Celica is ther shiznits.. like seriosuly..

I love the Celica to death and its a great car but some of you make it out to seem like your driving a lex or somethign.. I mean some of the comments made here??

its still a neon.. so when did a Celica become a high class car?? last time i checked the neon and Celica are in the same class.. and now when you get outhandled and outrun by a neon it wont be cool..

reliability issues.. oh i forgot the Celica has no problems right??? besides mis shifts like crazy, bent valves, and a bunch of misc stuff that doesnt even need mentioning.. my car may have been a freak and had more problems then the average celica but it was in no way shape or form a reliable car..

i mean seriously, come down from the pedal, most cars are equal.. dont cut on a car just cuz its a neon.. cuz ill be the first to laugh when it kicks yer ass..

oh and Im not just saying this cuz I own an Eclipse.. I like that little neon.. and the turbo saturn thats coming out (that Id think of buying).. just get tired of everyone around here acting like the Celica is in a class of its own..

[Karim]

Originally posted by CelicaDetective


Toyota had better do something with the Celica to compete, SOON.

Mike

or they could bring back the supra and make everyone happy

[EuGeNiLe GTS]

Originally posted by larryd
ma all you guys need to take a step off your high throne of toyta Celica is ther shiznits.. like seriosuly..

I love the Celica to death and its a great car but some of you make it out to seem like your driving a lex or somethign.. I mean some of the comments made here??

its still a neon.. so when did a Celica become a high class car?? last time i checked the neon and Celica are in the same class.. and now when you get outhandled and outrun by a neon it wont be cool..

reliability issues.. oh i forgot the Celica has no problems right??? besides mis shifts like crazy, bent valves, and a bunch of misc stuff that doesnt even need mentioning.. my car may have been a freak and had more problems then the average celica but it was in no way shape or form a reliable car..

i mean seriously, come down from the pedal, most cars are equal.. dont cut on a car just cuz its a neon.. cuz ill be the first to laugh when it kicks yer ass..

oh and Im not just saying this cuz I own an Eclipse.. I like that little neon.. and the turbo saturn thats coming out (that Id think of buying).. just get tired of everyone around here acting like the Celica is in a class of its own..

very well said larry.. i wouldnt mind buying that neon.. cause ill be spanking all you GTS owners.. and as an ex gts owner.. i can truely say the crowd has changed.. before it seemed like we were all humble trying to gain some respect from the rest of the crowd.. and now that we do we are starting to act just like the crowd we were trying to get respect from.. *sigh*

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by larryd
ma all you guys need to take a step off your high throne of toyta Celica is ther shiznits.. like seriosuly..

I love the Celica to death and its a great car but some of you make it out to seem like your driving a lex or somethign.. I mean some of the comments made here??

its still a neon.. so when did a Celica become a high class car?? last time i checked the neon and Celica are in the same class.. and now when you get outhandled and outrun by a neon it wont be cool..

reliability issues.. oh i forgot the Celica has no problems right??? besides mis shifts like crazy, bent valves, and a bunch of misc stuff that doesnt even need mentioning.. my car may have been a freak and had more problems then the average celica but it was in no way shape or form a reliable car..

i mean seriously, come down from the pedal, most cars are equal.. dont cut on a car just cuz its a neon.. cuz ill be the first to laugh when it kicks yer ass..

oh and Im not just saying this cuz I own an Eclipse.. I like that little neon.. and the turbo saturn thats coming out (that Id think of buying).. just get tired of everyone around here acting like the Celica is in a class of its own..

While I do think the Celica is a better overall package, I agree with your sentiment. I wouldn't be so quick to automatically dismiss this car simply because it is a Neon. I also find it hard to believe that a Celica owner could laugh in a Neon owner's face after that Neon has smoked them. Some peeps are starting to develop the same narrow-minded attitude that some Integra owners have. That same attitude that causes some Integra owners to talk smack about Celicas simply because they aren't "almighty Hondas."

[larryd]

exactly.. like their car is on a pedestal.. all we wanted as Celica owners when this all first started was recognition of what the car is capable of and to put the honda boys in their place and bring them off their pedestal.. well now that we've done that, other cars will do the same to the Celicas.. I just get tired of hearing everyone bash on every other make of car just cuz its not a Celica. There are ALOT of nice cars in this world and just becuase a car is a Dodge, Saturn or hell even Ford.. donr write it off...

[Maelfyn]

Sure are a lot of haters in this forum. The fact of the matter is you have to admire what Dodge is doing. That car will be extremely competitive and it will have more aftermarket after six months than we have had in 2 1/2 years.

[Maelfyn]

Oh and good post Larry. The bull**** remarks in this thread remind me of how retarded RSX guys act when you say they have crappy time slips. "But we have such nice interior!"

[Maelfyn]

Also, don't forget about the feared Chevrolet Z24R that is coming soon. 170hp in your face! Dumbestics to own y00 :D

[BillWS6Formula]

Originally posted by larryd
ma all you guys need to take a step off your high throne of toyta Celica is ther shiznits.. like seriosuly..

I love the Celica to death and its a great car but some of you make it out to seem like your driving a lex or somethign.. I mean some of the comments made here??

its still a neon.. so when did a Celica become a high class car?? last time i checked the neon and Celica are in the same class.. and now when you get outhandled and outrun by a neon it wont be cool..

reliability issues.. oh i forgot the Celica has no problems right??? besides mis shifts like crazy, bent valves, and a bunch of misc stuff that doesnt even need mentioning.. my car may have been a freak and had more problems then the average celica but it was in no way shape or form a reliable car..

i mean seriously, come down from the pedal, most cars are equal.. dont cut on a car just cuz its a neon.. cuz ill be the first to laugh when it kicks yer ass..

oh and Im not just saying this cuz I own an Eclipse.. I like that little neon.. and the turbo saturn thats coming out (that Id think of buying).. just get tired of everyone around here acting like the Celica is in a class of its own..

AMEN! Larry. Seems to me the smile on the face of a Neon Turbo owner will just that much bigger on the account of some attitudes I've read here, when he/she blows the doors of a shiney new GT-S.

"Just" a Neon...damn, for a minute there I thougth I was on a Benz forum!
http://www.plauder-smilies.de/yellows/king.gif

[gts24]

http://www.media.gm.com/events/autoshows/01sema/corporate/vechicle_release.htm

[XteSy17]

ive seen this neon like last year and its HOT i mean i love my celica but that neon comes with a hot system, rims, nice interior and a STOCK TURBO!!! maybe it might beat the celicas but just maybe it won't...who knows until the car gets here...i have a GT model celica and i would love to put a turbo on it but face it no one is going to spend 6 grand for a turbo!!

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by larryd
ma all you guys need to take a step off your high throne of toyta Celica is ther shiznits.. like seriosuly..

I love the Celica to death and its a great car but some of you make it out to seem like your driving a lex or somethign.. I mean some of the comments made here??

its still a neon.. so when did a Celica become a high class car?? last time i checked the neon and Celica are in the same class.. and now when you get outhandled and outrun by a neon it wont be cool..

reliability issues.. oh i forgot the Celica has no problems right??? besides mis shifts like crazy, bent valves, and a bunch of misc stuff that doesnt even need mentioning.. my car may have been a freak and had more problems then the average celica but it was in no way shape or form a reliable car..

i mean seriously, come down from the pedal, most cars are equal.. dont cut on a car just cuz its a neon.. cuz ill be the first to laugh when it kicks yer ass..

oh and Im not just saying this cuz I own an Eclipse.. I like that little neon.. and the turbo saturn thats coming out (that Id think of buying).. just get tired of everyone around here acting like the Celica is in a class of its own..

AMEN to that!!!!!!!!!

Some of you people think that the Celica is a luxory model or something... Camry's are 10 times better than the Celi as far as creature comforts... The IS300 is 20 times better, and handles almost as well as the celi.... but, it's also $32,000 and I only Paid $20,000 for my car... actually less than that. Funny how the Neon is still in that same price range....

Some of you act like you've got a McLearen in the Garage.... the Hateration is pathetic...

BTW, Neons don't win car shows because they're ugly.... it's your opinion, and it sucks....

[soceur]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


I'm just assuming, but he might not be into bodykits and appearance mods (which we have loads of), but might be into engine mods that make the car faster (which we don't have to much of).

You assume correct Keyshawn! I dont count bodykits as aftermarket although thats good, but at the same time i feel that bodykits are universal just like rims and tires, neonlights, and sound systems. any body can make those for any car. So to "open my eyes" as racinjason put it would to see a world of a universal aftermarket thats not even supported by its company or(TRD). As for being spoiled by a civic....who said i had a civic? And on that note i would happily take a honda with the mind that what ever i wanted to do to it would be reasonably easy and not out of the question. and yes i do realize i could have anything i wanted done to the celica if i had it custom made....but that what the aftermarket is suppose to be here for.

p.s. Keyshawn you're starting to make me ignore the saying when you assume you make an ass out of u :) You seem to assume correct more than the later.

[CelicaDetective]

For the person who said that the "blown" Neon SRT probably won't make production ... it has already been approved for production and manufacturing begins somewhere between summer 2002 - spring 2003 (I think 2003 is more likely) in Springfield, IL.

Mike

[static]

Originally posted by larryd
ma all you guys need to take a step off your high throne of toyta Celica is ther shiznits.. like seriosuly..

I love the Celica to death and its a great car but some of you make it out to seem like your driving a lex or somethign.. I mean some of the comments made here??

its still a neon.. so when did a Celica become a high class car?? last time i checked the neon and Celica are in the same class.. and now when you get outhandled and outrun by a neon it wont be cool..

reliability issues.. oh i forgot the Celica has no problems right??? besides mis shifts like crazy, bent valves, and a bunch of misc stuff that doesnt even need mentioning.. my car may have been a freak and had more problems then the average celica but it was in no way shape or form a reliable car..

i mean seriously, come down from the pedal, most cars are equal.. dont cut on a car just cuz its a neon.. cuz ill be the first to laugh when it kicks yer ass..

oh and Im not just saying this cuz I own an Eclipse.. I like that little neon.. and the turbo saturn thats coming out (that Id think of buying).. just get tired of everyone around here acting like the Celica is in a class of its own..

Uhh.. before I say anything Larry, you may have forgotten already, but you used to be almost the same way till you finally gave up on the Celica.

I don't agree with you that the neon and Celica are in the same class. You are way off my friend. Compare it to a Echo or something, but not a Celica. Since when is the Neon a sports coupe???

And don't distance yourself too much with your reliability statement my friend.. You actually use "bent valves" as a reliability problem example?? If I remember correctly, you used to say that is driver error just like everyone else.. What happened man? Please.. Dodge is known to have reliabity problems of scale that you would almost never see in a toyota, much less a Celica..

So please, why dont YOU stop bringin this shiztitz that all of a sudden the Celica is just another car and leveling it even with the lowest of the low. The Celica isn't a Mercedes, but there is almost a 10K difference in the top of the line models... and that pays for something.

If they are all the same, why didn't you get a neon in the first place? You say u still love this car, but your arguments are a little hypocritical my friend..

[cruzerz545]

I can't figure out why my car keeps breaking. I don;t know how to drive and I miss shifted three time, but I still don't get it. I had my engine replaced 6 times because I over reved and blew it up. Its all Toyota's fault!!

"A black deer ran out in front of me and I over corrected"

[ringthree]

Originally posted by static


Uhh.. before I say anything Larry, you may have forgotten already, but you used to be almost the same way till you finally gave up on the Celica.

I don't agree with you that the neon and Celica are in the same class. You are way off my friend. Compare it to a Echo or something, but not a Celica. Since when is the Neon a sports coupe???

And don't distance yourself too much with your reliability statement my friend.. You actually use "bent valves" as a reliability problem example?? If I remember correctly, you used to say that is driver error just like everyone else.. What happened man? Please.. Dodge is known to have reliabity problems of scale that you would almost never see in a toyota, much less a Celica..

So please, why dont YOU stop bringin this shiztitz that all of a sudden the Celica is just another car and leveling it even with the lowest of the low. The Celica isn't a Mercedes, but there is almost a 10K difference in the top of the line models... and that pays for something.

If they are all the same, why didn't you get a neon in the first place? You say u still love this car, but your arguments are a little hypocritical my friend..

Vote number 2 for this opinion.

[cruzerz545]

Vote 3

Originally posted by ringthree


Vote number 2 for this opinion.

[gts24]

Originally posted by ringthree


Vote number 2 for this opinion.

VOTE 3
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[GTS TRD]

vote numero 5

[CAMmed]

vote #6

[racinjason]

LOL Yes Socuer I can take my Wings west kit and rear wing off and stick it right on a Civic just like all the other kits for the Celica. LOL Definately universal. Side skirts and all match right up.

You can easily have rods and pistons for any motor. Celica included. Cower, and other companies can make you a custom set or may have sizes that drop right into a 2ZZ. You can have crank work done, headwork can be done, intake manifold and exhaust ports, headgaskets can be made for any car. You can change the comp ratios. Valve springs, motor mounts, cams are available for the GT-S. Pulley kits... Any competient engine builder can do this for you. This has already been done and shops have offered thier services to do this on our very own board. So we CAN mod the engine. We have many "engine" mods to choose from as well. Body kits and clear lens are just the tip of the iceberg people. I think some people need to do some research.

Fact is right now and probably from a while longer companies aren't going to make any engine packages that are made for the Celica exclusively. Motor mods are going to be slim pickings till warrenties expire and more owners are will to get dirty and tear thier motors out. Fact is most owners aren't will to get that serious about modding thier cars yet. They are too new and warrantied. So sales of these items will be slow. And considering the R&D involved with developing these internals the cost to return ratio is still too dam high. Another factor is number of Celicas on the road. Right now we are looking at about 120,000 total 7th gen celicas on the road. Compared to how many million Civics and integras on the road that run B series engines. Numbers my friends!!! Not to mention a serious selection of engine mods weren't available for the B series cars until around 1997. These owners had to wait 5-6 years till there was anything for thier cars. And they aready had a few million on the roads. Not to mention The whole west coast was into import performance close to around 1993. We were modding imports here on the East coast around 94-95 in our drive ways. We were running Civics and CRX's, MR2's were huge here on the east. And there wasn't squat to choose from for a few years.

Hell we can't even get 50 people together for a group buy for white faced gauge replacements let alone a whole top end package or a decent piston and rod selection that only a handful of people are really going to buy. You need a big interest and alot of people seriously willing to buy the product before these companies will budge. Engine internals are big buck items. Right now there isn't enough people!!!

Sorry I know I'm off topic but some people have absolutely no clue what drives the performance aftermarket. And some people really think that Civic and Integra performance markets just popped up overnight, right after the cars were introduced back in the early 90's. Take it from a guy who's been around it since 94. It takes a while so quit your bitchin.

[Uncle Ben's White Rice]

Originally posted by Karim


or they could bring back the supra and make everyone happy

Yeah, maybe that would lower the prices on the '94-'98 models!!!

[Omni]

Yea, and neons have had turbo kits for years. The last gen with turbo will out accelerate any celica too, get over it. I know a guy that had a turboed neon when I owned one, he ran 13.5 with a slipping clutch. They have neons running 10's with 3 speed automatics, rebuilt of course, with over 500hp. I owned a 95 Neon ACR before the celica, and it wasnt much slower with the few mods I did, intake chip and udp, but I still would much rather be driving the celica. Besides external appearance, the interior sucked. The ride quality was horrid and shifter was extremely sloppy. From what I've seen and heard about the new neons they arnt much better either, my friend's friend owns one. I'm sure they arn't bad and I'm sure the SRT wont have nearly as many reliability problems as the regular ones, as my ACR didnt have many problems when I owned it, but the celica's build quality is definately a whole lot better. Theres really no reason the people shouldnt boast about their celica's here, after all it is a celica board. You should be very proud of your car, or else you shouldnt have bought one. For anyone that buys one of these I advise you to triple check your car after being serviced by dodge, I never had an instance where I took my neon in for service and nothing else went wrong. When I took it in to get the headgasket fixed they screwed up the timing belt tensioner. When I took it in because the clutch cable broke they dropped a washer in my starter and jammed it, they then removed it and the starter died 3 days later. This was a five start dealer too, mind you.

[cruzerz545]

You got a point, but the neo will never beat the cleica Cris Rado is driving. And its turboed


Originally posted by Omni
Yea, and neons have had turbo kits for years. The last gen with turbo will out accelerate any celica too, get over it. I know a guy that had a turboed neon when I owned one, he ran 13.5 with a slipping clutch. They have neons running 10's with 3 speed automatics, rebuilt of course, with over 500hp. I owned a 95 Neon ACR before the celica, and it wasnt much slower with the few mods I did, intake chip and udp, but I still would much rather be driving the celica. Besides external appearance, the interior sucked. The ride quality was horrid and shifter was extremely sloppy. From what I've seen and heard about the new neons they arnt much better either, my friend's friend owns one. I'm sure they arn't bad and I'm sure the SRT wont have nearly as many reliability problems as the regular ones, as my ACR didnt have many problems when I owned it, but the celica's build quality is definately a whole lot better. Theres really no reason the people shouldnt boast about their celica's here, after all it is a celica board. You should be very proud of your car, or else you shouldnt have bought one. For anyone that buys one of these I advise you to triple check your car after being serviced by dodge, I never had an instance where I took my neon in for service and nothing else went wrong. When I took it in to get the headgasket fixed they screwed up the timing belt tensioner. When I took it in because the clutch cable broke they dropped a washer in my starter and jammed it, they then removed it and the starter died 3 days later. This was a five start dealer too, mind you.

[Omni]

Originally posted by cruzerz545
You got a point, but the neo will never beat the cleica Cris Rado is driving. And its turboed




Yea exactly, my point is any car can be fast if you want to put the time and money into it. If you want a truly fast car theres no point in buying a brand new one, just go buy yourself a clunker for less than a grand and put a few grand in for a brand new massive drivetrain. Then go smoke everyone ass that thinks their new car is fast! Dont know about you guys, but I bought the Celica because I liked it, not because it was "fast." I was planning on getting a WRX before the Celica, but after looking at them I decided to go with the Celica.

[cruzerz545]

I agree with you!
Technically cars should not be compared based on Stock info. They should be based on races, and what the car can do. Not the car itself.


Originally posted by Omni


Yea exactly, my point is any car can be fast if you want to put the time and money into it. If you want a truly fast car theres no point in buying a brand new one, just go buy yourself a clunker for less than a grand and put a few grand in for a brand new massive drivetrain. Then go smoke everyone ass that thinks their new car is fast! Dont know about you guys, but I bought the Celica because I liked it, not because it was "fast." I was planning on getting a WRX before the Celica, but after looking at them I decided to go with the Celica.

[BillWS6Formula]

Originally posted by cruzerz545
I agree with you!
Technically cars should not be compared based on Stock info. They should be based on races, and what the car can do. Not the car itself.




Well that's fine as a purely theoretical discussion. Personally, I much prefer being able to "brag" about what a car I actually own can do, not what one "of a friend of a friend's" can do...or a one-off you read about in a ragazine. But that's just me.... :-)

[Takeoff]

I don't think most of these people can appreciate any other car besides there own. Dodge might not be that reliable but a car that is raced is not a reliable driver. I would personally have bought this car over my celica if it was out. A turbo car w/ a smaller price tag. Just my opinion.
If you like toyota, appreciate there qualities. If you like cars, see the qualities of each one.

[mecca]

Originally posted by larryd
its still a neon.. so when did a Celica become a high class car?? last time i checked the neon and Celica are in the same class.. and now when you get outhandled and outrun by a neon it wont be cool..

Umm, we say "it's still a neon" because it's still just as ugly and has no style both interior and exterior wise. Do you think if the quality of finish or Japanese cars was the same as American cars I'd want a Celica? (Don't bother saying your console scratches, I'm talking big picture) Please, I would've bought a 310/340 out the door Z28 for a few grand less. It's not only about straight line speed, it's about handles, style, and finish.

I don't think most of these people can appreciate any other car besides there own.

no phuckin sh1t! When you buy a car, you defend it so inside your head your still confident about making the right decision when you spent so much money buying it.

edit: language filter, ugh

[Chumpchiggy]

originally posted by mecca
Umm, we say "it's still a neon" because it's still just as ugly and has no style both interior and exterior wise. Do you think if the quality of finish or Japanese cars was the same as American cars I'd want a Celica? (Don't bother saying your console scratches, I'm talking big picture) Please, I would've bought a 310/340 out the door Z28 for a few grand less. It's not only about straight line speed, it's about handles, style, and finish.


I get it... you say it's still a neon because you don't like the way it looks... That's called an OPINION genius...

What about the 1/16" body paneling that Toyota uses, which crumples like paper... compared to the 1/8" that all domestics use...? What about the higher priced OEM parts from Toyota compared to the reasonably priced domestic parts? Your theory has no foundation... please do some research....

And I guarantee that my sisters Neon can out handle your celi.... their aftermarket support is twice that of ours, and if she decides to buy the Turbo she wants, she'll run low 11's easily... in a street legal car... Get off your pedestal, it's obvious you're too insecure as to whether or not you bought the right car...

[GTS TRD]

I think some people got a little off the original post by saying that a suped up , thousands of dollars poured into a neon, could outdo a celica, well, ya probably. If you're trying to compare these two cars try it this way:

STOCK neon vs. STOCK Celica
or
Suped up neone vs. suped up celica

it's no fair to compare them otherwise.

And looks is simply opinion, and my opinion is neons are ugly stock. shoot, my girlfriend has one, decent car, but there's absolutely no way you can put a celica and a neon in the same category stock. perhaps an accent or a sephia in the neon category, but celicas, to me are along with integras and rsx and such.

Opinions are like ass holes, everybody has one

[NSX_GTR_LM]

Umm, it is also an opinion on what you really want on the performance of a car. Quite frankly, I don't want a front wheel drive car that runs lower than 13's. I want my celi to hit mid 13's and handle like a beast. Thats when I will be satisfied. Its hard to say that one car can "outhandle" the other when you haven't even driven that car. I hate posts like this, because they always end up ghetto as hell. I really hope that this thread gets locked up, cause this isn't proving anything. I hope that dodge does well with its new neon. Its not the style of car I like, but I hate seein a car that is fast, but has quirks about it. If anyone is listening, please lock this thread.

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by GTS TRD
I think some people got a little off the original post by saying that a suped up , thousands of dollars poured into a neon, could outdo a celica, well, ya probably. If you're trying to compare these two cars try it this way:

STOCK neon vs. STOCK Celica
or
Suped up neone vs. suped up celica


Stock Vs. Stock...

Which Celica? if you compare a GT to a run of the mill Neon, they are pretty much even, except in handling... The Celica pulls .96 g's I think...? where the neon is down a bit, like .88 I think...

HP ratios are pretty much equivilant, and they both run on a 16 valve DOHC.

Stock vs. Stock, it's your choice, the Neon may be a grand or two cheaper... whichever you like better I guess. That's where the opinion comes into play.

Too many people on this forum have a close-minded syndrome where they are blind to facts. I love automobiles in general, and can appreciate most cars... but alot of people can't, and they get defensive when you try to explain how another car is just as good...

[mecca]

Originally posted by Chumpchiggy


I get it... you say it's still a neon because you don't like the way it looks... That's called an OPINION genius...

What about the 1/16" body paneling that Toyota uses, which crumples like paper... compared to the 1/8" that all domestics use...? What about the higher priced OEM parts from Toyota compared to the reasonably priced domestic parts? Your theory has no foundation... please do some research....

And I guarantee that my sisters Neon can out handle your celi.... their aftermarket support is twice that of ours, and if she decides to buy the Turbo she wants, she'll run low 11's easily... in a street legal car... Get off your pedestal, it's obvious you're too insecure as to whether or not you bought the right car...

Oh please. First off, not everyone buys a car to put mods into. In fact, very few do in comparison to the big picture. Scond of all, I don't have a celi. Thirdly, I have no theory.

I came in here saying that there is more to saying "this car is better than that car" than 1/4 times. You say your sister will have blah blah and will run 11's. That's 1/4. You say her car can out-handle a celi -- she obviously does not have stock suspension b/c a stock neon pulls a 0.80 on the pad if memory serves me correctly; again, not everyone will buy a car do modify. What she can't say is that she has a car that looks good or is reliable.

Basically, I am saying that a lot of people disagree to the statement "the neon is a better car than the celica". Wow, it's turbocharged -- more parts to maintain and it'll have sh!tter mpg.

To tell you the truth I don't know why I'm arguing with you.

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by mecca


What she can't say is that she has a car that looks good or is reliable.




Good foundation... you're opinion weighs in at a big zero.

This again is your OPINION! Why don't you understand this...?

And your turbo statement of having bad MPG was just idiotic. ANY car with an aftermarket turbo sytem is going to get hit in the gas tank... thanks for using common sense.

I don't know why you're arguing with me either, you haven't based anything on fact, just your opinion.

[oldster]

Any car introduced into the Sport Compact segment which ups the performance bar will be beneficial to all in the long run.

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by oldster
Any car introduced into the Sport Compact segment which ups the performance bar will be beneficial to all in the long run.

werd

[nmyeti]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Hopefully, when our performance aftermarket kicks into gear and we finally have WCT's turbo kit, Blitz's SC, or Crower's cams available FOR REAL, we'll be putting those Neons back in their place. That's the beauty of having real performance parts (which we don't have just yet).

you know that the neon can likley just add a boost controller and be right back running with you. This is a 2.4L turbo motor... lots of displacement, and if its built well (which it should be) it can take lots of boost to move lots of air.

The neon is going to set the standard, and you guys are going to have a hard time catching up to it...

i say less than 30 days after these things hit the streets there will be someone posting a 12 second slip unless dodge does something stupid and skimps on the fuel system... but i doubt they would do that.

2.4L of displacement+ boost... nice combo.

It will have torque, good spool, and classic turbo top end... should be a very quick car.

[larryd]

Originally posted by static


Uhh.. before I say anything Larry, you may have forgotten already, but you used to be almost the same way till you finally gave up on the Celica.

I don't agree with you that the neon and Celica are in the same class. You are way off my friend. Compare it to a Echo or something, but not a Celica. Since when is the Neon a sports coupe???

And don't distance yourself too much with your reliability statement my friend.. You actually use "bent valves" as a reliability problem example?? If I remember correctly, you used to say that is driver error just like everyone else.. What happened man? Please.. Dodge is known to have reliabity problems of scale that you would almost never see in a toyota, much less a Celica..

So please, why dont YOU stop bringin this shiztitz that all of a sudden the Celica is just another car and leveling it even with the lowest of the low. The Celica isn't a Mercedes, but there is almost a 10K difference in the top of the line models... and that pays for something.

If they are all the same, why didn't you get a neon in the first place? You say u still love this car, but your arguments are a little hypocritical my friend..

Static..

I never stood high on my podium and said the Celica is the best car in the world and everything else sucks.. I love all cars.. I always have.. The attitude that I dont like is most of the people on this board are gonna say BAH its still just a neon.. why, what gives people the right to hold that attitude?? I mean seriously.. Im not saying the neon is the best car in the world.. hell im not even saying its a better car than the Celica, what Im saying is just because you own a Celica doesnt mean you have the right to **** on a Neon and say bah its just a neon..

When I speak of reliability issues.. I dont only speak of my car.. I mean come on, think about all the issues we've heard people bitching and moaning about.. think paint, squeeks and rattles, belt tensioners, not to mention the **** that did happen to my car that was not my fault like the 3 bad alternators and the trunk leaking.. every car has its problems.. you cant automatically say the neon is a POS just cuz its a neon..

And Im not leveling the Celica with the lowest of the low.. did I compare it to an Echo.. or maybe an Honda Insight?? no.. Im comparing to a car that is going to be equally priced with what Toyota is asking for a Ceilca GT right now that will out power it, and who knows about handling.. if it has the R/T suspension like several years ago then it just may outhandle the Celica. Looks/Style are two things that are all opinionative.. I personally dont like the looks of either car stock.. hence the reason I dumped tons of $$ into my Celica to make it look different.. but as I said.. looks are opinionative..

"If they are all the same, why didn't you get a neon in the first place? You say u still love this car, but your arguments are a little hypocritical my friend.."

Why.. well i dont recall them selling a turbo neon from the factory in 99 when I bouht my Celica.. get real man.. Im not trashing the Celica.. Im just telling Celica owners they need to step off their pedestal as there becoming more like the typical honda owner everyday..

[BRAK]

i think the echo was made to compete with the sales of cavalers,NEONS,civics (low end),and metros.

[Cronos]

Originally posted by Chumpchiggy


Stock Vs. Stock...

Which Celica? if you compare a GT to a run of the mill Neon, they are pretty much even, except in handling... The Celica pulls .96 g's I think...? where the neon is down a bit, like .88 I think...

HP ratios are pretty much equivilant, and they both run on a 16 valve DOHC.

Stock vs. Stock, it's your choice, the Neon may be a grand or two cheaper... whichever you like better I guess. That's where the opinion comes into play.

Too many people on this forum have a close-minded syndrome where they are blind to facts. I love automobiles in general, and can appreciate most cars... but alot of people can't, and they get defensive when you try to explain how another car is just as good...

Amen Chiggy. The Neon may not be my first choice for a car but this one has my attention and I'm looking forward to test driving it.

[redtuna]

I'm not a big fan of domestic cars... Especially the neons... I've driven afew and honestly they are **** compared to the Celica and the Integra I used to own. I would much rather get a focus SVT or a Mustang Convertible for the price of that Neon (that is if I were to get a domestic). For one, after 2 years, your domestic car is worth like 10% of what you paid for it... Plus the fact that most(not all) domestic 4cylinder suck ass. Anyways, I bought my celica cause I liked how it looks, and the Toyota quality as well, I would only consider buying 3 cars, RSX, Celica and WRX of course I choose the Celica cause it kicks ass =) My parrents own an Oldsmobile Cutlass, Chevy Corsica and one of those Dodge minivans and I don't like any of them, the way they handle, brake and accelerate... I hate it all... Plus american cars all have those ****ty looking interiors...

If I wanted a ****box, I would ask for a Neon. =)

Just my 2 cents.

[huangc2]

Originally posted by Cronos


Amen Chiggy. The Neon may not be my first choice for a car but this one has my attention and I'm looking forward to test driving it. Eric, hey, where have you been?! I've been calling and calling you!! I kind of miss you in a manly way. But you need to call me back next time I call you. I hope it wasn't anything I did.

[WillyK]

Isn't people saying "it's still a neon" like others who say the celica is a "secretary/chick car"

I don't like neon's at all, but if they are jumping on the sport coupe bandwagon like almost everyone seems to be now then it can only be beneficial to us all in the long run like Oldster said. Would I ever buy one? Nope, I just don't like neons no matter how fast they are. I will give it the respect it should deserve because I am sure it will be a very quick car. We'll just have to wait and see.

[mecca]

Originally posted by Chumpchiggy
And your turbo statement of having bad MPG was just idiotic. ANY car with an aftermarket turbo sytem is going to get hit in the gas tank... thanks for using common sense.

No sh1t dumbass! that's why it's smarter to buy N/A. Which is what I was saying.

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by mecca


No sh1t dumbass! that's why it's smarter to buy N/A. Which is what I was saying.

And you did a great job of making that clear...:rolleyes:

Please go find a different board to troll on...

[t2000gts]

i doubt you will see this car with AWD, or forced induction in the future.

the only thing remotely possible is toyota making an entirely new car with either AWD and/or a turbo and putting the same body on top. but it would behave completely differently.

this is a FWD, n/a car. one of the best handling FWD n/a production cars. it's strength is it's handling, and the mating of the low torquey, high revving engine to the FF format.

you don't see honda making AWD Turbo Integra/RSX(s). the celica is that type of car. so you will not see it with an AWD or turbo.

this neon is a turbo FWD, right? so what. it might get the celica or whatever next incarnation of this current platform is out in a drag race. but even that is kinda dodgey.

205hp? the RSX Type S has 200hp. it's only 2700lbs or so, and a lot of GTS(s) have no problem tieing them or beating them. what's the curb weight on this neon?

when you start modding, yeah it'll probably be quicker, but let's see it get quicker on a track. what the celica was made for. a weekend track/road course car for the streets. these two will be very competitive, and i doubt either will 'dominate' the other, but it would be easier for competent drivers to get better times out of this car.

when push comes to shove, IMHO, i put my money on n/a FF over turbo FF for cornering superiority. the 2500lb. curb weight and the high compression engine makes it keep up with a lot of cars on the straights. a nice combination.

[BillWS6Formula]

Originally posted by mecca


No sh1t dumbass! that's why it's smarter to buy N/A. Which is what I was saying.

mecca, if that's the most intelligent comeback you can think of, don't bother next time.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by WillyK
Isn't people saying "it's still a neon" like others who say the celica is a "secretary/chick car"

I don't like neon's at all, but if they are jumping on the sport coupe bandwagon like almost everyone seems to be now then it can only be beneficial to us all in the long run like Oldster said. Would I ever buy one? Nope, I just don't like neons no matter how fast they are. I will give it the respect it should deserve because I am sure it will be a very quick car. We'll just have to wait and see.

I agree. Intelligent, well thought-out reasons why one prefers a Celica over a Neon (or vice-versa) are great. But when the best reason one can think of is "it's still a Neon" or something similar, that is really close-minded.

What would you think of an Integra guy who said, "I don't care how quick your car is, how superb it's handling and brakes are, I'd still laugh in your face because it's only a POS Celica." That person would be labeled an idiot. Is it any different when a Celica owner says something similar about another car?

[djm221]

Originally posted by t2000gts

205hp? the RSX Type S has 200hp. it's only 2700lbs or so, and a lot of GTS(s) have no problem tieing them or beating them. what's the curb weight on this neon?


But it does have MAD torque yo! over the Celica and RSX.
If the only change to the Celica was a minor face lift and a third model with a high output 2.0l (I'm talking HO like at least 220HP) while mainting it's lightweight, I'd be more than happy, and would still chose the Celica over any competitor (through in an LSD would really be nice too); I'd pay $25,000 for that no problem. Not everyone is interested in FI aftermarkets for NA cars.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by nmyeti


you know that the neon can likley just add a boost controller and be right back running with you. This is a 2.4L turbo motor... lots of displacement, and if its built well (which it should be) it can take lots of boost to move lots of air.

The neon is going to set the standard, and you guys are going to have a hard time catching up to it...

i say less than 30 days after these things hit the streets there will be someone posting a 12 second slip unless dodge does something stupid and skimps on the fuel system... but i doubt they would do that.

2.4L of displacement+ boost... nice combo.

It will have torque, good spool, and classic turbo top end... should be a very quick car.

Good point. I'd love to see that. It'd be tight if both cars had lots of go-fast parts available to enhance performance. It would make for a nice little rivalry.

[Stnicralisk]

i got my ass handled by a neon ACR... =)
ive been saying for a while that Dodge were the ones taking advantage of the subcompact market.. and even though dodge is american theyre at least more reliable than ford
the fact that they were able to build a car to even get this much attention from us says a lot about the japanese sport compacts coming out lately.. the disappointment

SE-R Spec-V.. cheap yet it didnt meet its power goals..
Celica GTS.. good job.. but expensive
RSX-S.. same
New Civic.. heavier with a little more tq.. i dont even want to talk about the Si
New Eclipse.. maybe not really subcompact but another disappointment..
WRX.. killer but also expensive
Evo.. killer and if pricing is as planned not bad! but it still isnt here yet

at this rate in a few years Ford and Dodge are going to rule the market created by Japanese cars which is a total bummer i wish Toyota stuck with Turbos (i dont count the turbo saturn as competition)

[Advanracin]

Originally posted by Stnicralisk
at this rate in a few years Ford and Dodge are going to rule the market created by Japanese cars which is a total bummer i wish Toyota stuck with Turbos (i dont count the turbo saturn as competition)

They are giving the Japanese a run for their money , but they will never rule the market . Dodge and Ford are having some issues building high power four cylinder motors . As most have seen they have to use high displacement and forced induction to even match the output of naturally aspirated japanese four cylinder motors .

This new Neon shouldnt even be compared to the older Neons . Im sure everyone has heard of DSM or Diamond Star Motors . Which was a merger between Mitsubishi and Chrysler to build sports cars and economy cars . The theory was cross the genius of Japanese engineers with the Domestic accountants .

"We can design great cars , but we will use cheap matierials and cut corners to make it a profitable endeavour ."

I think that was their motto . Im not sure if that was ever official or not *wink* . The Neon was a product of that merger . Since the collapse of the DSM merger the cars havent changed much . They basically used the left-over motors and changed the exterior styling slightly to make it a little more appealing to the public .

This new car could be better or worse . Of course none of us know yet because its still only a concept . Its not even in production yet (I know its scheduled to go into production soon) . It could change drastically before it even goes into production .

[WillyK]

Originally posted by Advanracin


They are giving the Japanese a run for their money , but they will never rule the market . Dodge and Ford are having some issues building high power four cylinder motors . As most have seen they have to use high displacement and forced induction to even match the output of naturally aspirated japanese four cylinder motors .



Just because the engine isn't low displacement/high output doesn't mean it is crap. You get more torque and with a turbocharger you can just up the boost.

[t2000gts]

more important question. what's the suspension going to be like? will it come with an LSD?

[larryd]

Originally posted by Keyshawn


I agree. Intelligent, well thought-out reasons why one prefers a Celica over a Neon (or vice-versa) are great. But when the best reason one can think of is "it's still a Neon" or something similar, that is really close-minded.

What would you think of an Integra guy who said, "I don't care how quick your car is, how superb it's handling and brakes are, I'd still laugh in your face because it's only a POS Celica." That person would be labeled an idiot. Is it any different when a Celica owner says something similar about another car?

exactly what i was trying to say :)

[Li'lGreenCivic]

Amen. I dont think the Japanese car market is just going to lay down and let the americans start dominating the market. They'll do something. I have faith in the japanese cars!! lets hope they wont just lay down anyway..

[Blue Lucifer]

YEAH. I know what you guys are saying. I was thinking of trading my Celica GT for that neon. I told my friends about it, and they looked at me with disgust. True, it may be a neon, but it will kick your ass. And right now, there isn't squat from TRD, nor any other company offering turbos within attainable reach. So you know what? screw paying nearly half of my car's value to get a supercharger that only offers 60HP. I don't know guys, it may seem that the celica days are outnumbered. Just a thought.

[Stnicralisk]

QUOTE : "What about the 1/16" body paneling that Toyota uses, which crumples like paper... compared to the 1/8" that all domestics use...? "

do you want a light car or not? im not an engineer but ill estimate that nearly doubling the amount of metal on our cars would kill our performance.

on top of that... cars are made to crumple! by increasing the amount of time during which the accident takes place it displaces the force through an amount of time. think of it kind of like boosting 12 psi on your stock motor for 10 minutes instead of 24 psi for 5... which is better? because this is really for your safety. a car that doesnt crumple displaces the force onto the passengers.. drive whatever you want

[kkrkeith7]

well, it may ne faster stock, it does have a turbo. and it's a dodge so we all know toyota is a better company. i think for looks and quality our cars are much better and if all you are looking for is acceleration and nothing else then the dodge will win, but then again it has a turbo. i like the celica IMO

[Omni]

Let me put it this way for you guys thinking on trading in your celica for a slightly faster new car.. You're going to take a few grand hit atleast on your celica to get a slightly faster car? why not take that few grand and get a project car that'll smoke both if you are so interested in speed. I really dont get why you are all throwing a fit over this. Its a turbo and its a larger engine, I'd expect it to be faster since the car is almost equal in size/weight. If you wanted a fast car why didnt you just buy a mustang or a camaro to begin with?

[msilvia]

Doesn't anyone remember the Neon ACR? People have been autoxing and track racing Neons quite a bit, and they do just fine. You can certainly argue that the Neons as a car line have been much more racetrack oriented than the celica, especially in terms of manufacturer support. Not better, necessarily, but don't act like driving a neon fast is a foreign concept. Dodge has the ACR - a stripped down track ready Neon, and Toyota has the "Action Package" - a body kit. Consider that.

And don't bother with skidpad numbers so much... the stock tires have more to do with that number than just about any other part of the suspension.

[Willis5050]

I respect any company that tries to raise the bar for the sport compact market, but you will never see me in a Neon. I had a rental neon not too long ago that left me stranded in the middle of Florida when it had only 1800 miles on it. When it was running it seemed so cheap and unenjoyable. You can argue that this was a stripper model, but you can bet that the SRT will share most all parts with its lessor little brother. Not to mention that if it follows the resale values of current Neons it will be worth about half of what you paid for it after a year. It will be quick though, and good for some cheap thrills. But I still think that the Celica is in a league above the neon and will be *much* more reliable in the long run, espicially if it is driven hard. Call me a snob, or whatever. I look for more than straightline performance and I am not interested in downgrading anytime soon. A nice M3 would be nice though....

[modiggs]

I think i just **** myself

[modiggs]

I think this presents toyota with an opportunity to do something big. Namely up the power in the celica, but doing it in a totally nostalgic way. How cool would it be to see the reintroduction of the Celica-Supra. Only to have them part ways down the line. What better way to gas up the Celica AND reintroduce the Supra. I know there is absolutely no chance of this happening, but wouldn't it be cool anyway

[modiggs]

Originally posted by djm221

But it does have MAD torque yo! over the Celica and RSX.
If the only change to the Celica was a minor face lift and a third model with a high output 2.0l (I'm talking HO like at least 220HP) while mainting it's lightweight, I'd be more than happy, and would still chose the Celica over any competitor (through in an LSD would really be nice too); I'd pay $25,000 for that no problem. Not everyone is interested in FI aftermarkets for NA cars.

MAD Torque + Low Weight + FF = Wheelspin...a ff's nightmare
MAD Torque + Low Weight + FR (or MR) = Squat aka traction.

At first the news of this neon worried me...but w/ a skilled left foot, we should be able to minimize the ass whopings. lol

[Chui]

"A black deer ran out in front of me and I over corrected"

ROFLMAO!! :chuckles:

I'll forever remember this one!

[Chui]

Well, I'd be interested - mildly - in a 2 dr coupe Dodge Neon ACR. THAT was a performance bargain. The interior was very low-grade, though. But it would run with an ITR all day long. If I could find a second hand one I'd pick it up and use it as a track car. Same for the original SE-R, but it wasn't nearly as quick as either the Celica GT-S or ITR, but it was every bit as much fun and perhaps more so since you could play at sane engine rpms on real roads. And to think I passed on a SE-R for $1500 right after I purchased the ITR. Damnit! :mad: