WCToyota's GT Turbo

[xi KiNG ix]

Weren't they suppose to dyno it and run it at the track yesterday? (The 27th of Jan...)

[oldster]

Yes

[DaksGT]

I'm also extremely curious about this.

[gavin]

Not to be anoying.. but I WANNA SEE!!!!!!!! hehe :) i really want to get a turbo soon.. and im getting clutch stuff first.. but im waiting on the clutch/transmission until the turbo is actually a possibility.

[larryd]

ttt

[David Draper]

Well....we couldn't get the car back up to HotShot for the piping to be reworked in time, so no runs yet....

I may very well end up taking a Spyder up since I don't have a Celica right now....At least once the piping is done on that beast I can get it tuned pretty quickly, and that should save time....well nevermind, the tuning's already been done on these engines....I suppose it could save some time on the GT....Hmmm...well anyway, the car is supposed to be headed back there soon, so hopefully then....

David

[oldster]

Originally posted by David Draper
Well....we couldn't get the car back up to HotShot for the piping to be reworked in time, so no runs yet....

I may very well end up taking a Spyder up since I don't have a Celica right now....At least once the piping is done on that beast I can get it tuned pretty quickly, and that should save time....well nevermind, the tuning's already been done on these engines....I suppose it could save some time on the GT....Hmmm...well anyway, the car is supposed to be headed back there soon, so hopefully then....

David

What happened to the Celica, I thought it went to Hotshot on the 8th?

[Chumpchiggy]

Originally posted by oldster


What happened to the Celica, I thought it went to Hotshot on the 8th?

I was under this impression also...

Didn't Matt say something about selling the car after it came back from HotShot?

Come on man... I'll drive out there and leave you my car for a month to test on if ya want...

[DaksGT]

ahh come on what happened on the 8th now?

[2000REDGT]

I think David wants a new manifold.

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[oldster]

Dark Star reported on his forum that he wrecked his car this aftenoon. This whole project may be in hiatus for awhile.

[PBI_ceLL]

If he wrecked his car I really hope he's okay.. =/

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Yep!!! Oldster is right. Thanks for the support Oldster. Here's what happened...

I was driving down Pacific Coast Highway going to pick my mom up. I had to go get my W-2 from the IRS office so I was going to take her to lunch afterwords. At any rate. As I came off the Traffic Circle some moron in a Chevy Tahoe Opened his door right as I was passing by him going about 30mph-35mph. Well let's just say the door hit my front bumper and just slided down the right side of the car like a hot knife through butter. Luckly I didn't swerve to much or I would have been creamed (the cars usually go about 60mph there!) I got out of the car and noticed... The hood was bent on the right side, the front bumper was falling off and the whole right side was torn off, the quarter panel had a 4-5 inch deep slice all the way to the door and almost hit the engine (missed it by about a 1/4 of an inch!) The right front rim was damaged, the right wheel well was destroyed, the right side skirt was torn off a bit, and the rear bumper was slided a bit. Pretty ugly!!! Thank god my lowering spring were off or it would have slided through the windshield. I'm fine... a little depressed of course this was my first major accident and my car was destroyed.
I took it straight to the car body place and they did an estimate at about $5,000-$8,000 in damage.

The vicious bunny is now in a coma!

Sorry about it guys, let yah down again...

Matt

[gavin]

Aww man too bad matt.. I hope you can get it fixed!!! (and that the turbo still works at that point hehe) i got in a minor thing... got backed into.. 9000$ damages.. it didn't even look bad at all.. there was just a tiny hole in the bumper and some scrapes. anyway.. good luck with that.. insurence covers it?

[2000REDGT]

Just glad to here you are okay Matt.

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[atehrani]

That is unfortunate, hope everything plays out okay.

[David Draper]

Yeah, Matt will be fine =)

As for the turbo, the manifold was made, piping was done, but there was a problem--the way the manifold was made, it would force people to cut their center pipes!

That was deemed unacceptable by yours truly, so I need to get the car back up there....Well now, I need to get another car up there....

I believe I have a volunteer with a M/T, so I may go that route...I needed someone with a M/T anyways to make sure the piping fit.

David

[aZnTrD2k]

Originally posted by David Draper
Yeah, Matt will be fine =)


...I needed someone with a M/T anyways to make sure the piping fit.

David

Hey Dave, how about me =)

Jay

[t2000gts]

sorry to hear about your car, bro, hope it turns out ok.

hm. question, how different is the 1ZZ laid out in the engine bay than the 2ZZ?

could you adapt the manifold to the 2ZZ and for a T3/T4 turbo? and just sell that?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

The 2ZZ is much like the RSX-S. The compression ratio is SOOO high that its kinda useless to Turbo. Now, if you get a hold of some Lower Compression pistons then you figure out how to keep VVT and lift with the turbo and run it smoothly. Then you have a 2ZZ turbo. Many companies have failed here (XS is one, yes the kit is running but it isnt that great now is it.) Dave Draper is waiting to see what happens with the Blitz Supercharger. We'll see what happens.

Matt

[DaksGT]

and the turbo for the GT is...

[Phaseshift]

I bet if David gave us the physical dimensions of the volume the turbo is going to be in the engine bay, one of us engineers who have ProE or some of CAD system would be able make up a 3-D model? Just a suggestion.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

The Turbo is sitting to right underneath the manifold.

[eLiteMotion]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
The 2ZZ is much like the RSX-S. The compression ratio is SOOO high that its kinda useless to Turbo. Now, if you get a hold of some Lower Compression pistons then you figure out how to keep VVT and lift with the turbo and run it smoothly. Then you have a 2ZZ turbo. Many companies have failed here (XS is one, yes the kit is running but it isnt that great now is it.) Dave Draper is waiting to see what happens with the Blitz Supercharger. We'll see what happens.

Matt

so useless that greddy already made a turbo for the rsx-s back in oct. 2001 :) ?

[LEDmod]

Chumpchiggy said he can volunteer....
Hey Chiggy.. talk to Drapper.... !!! :chuckles:

[kireisceli]

Oo DaRk StAr oO:

Anymore info on this? David? :(

[iDRIVE]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
The 2ZZ is much like the RSX-S. The compression ratio is SOOO high that its kinda useless to Turbo. Now, if you get a hold of some Lower Compression pistons then you figure out how to keep VVT and lift with the turbo and run it smoothly. Then you have a 2ZZ turbo. Many companies have failed here (XS is one, yes the kit is running but it isnt that great now is it.) Dave Draper is waiting to see what happens with the Blitz Supercharger. We'll see what happens.

Matt

Remember they have a low compression piston available. The high compression excuse is getting lamer and lamer. Tuner's nowaday's are not upto the challenge!!!

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Oh yeah. Heard around the corner that XS has dropped the Matrix. Looks like the 2ZZ curse strikes again.

[oldster]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Oh yeah. Heard around the corner that XS has dropped the Matrix. Looks like the 2ZZ curse strikes again.

Hmmm...........I think the original purpose of the thread was to get info on the WC GT turbo.........it has been strangely quiet on that front.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Oh yeah. Heard around the corner that XS has dropped the Matrix. Looks like the 2ZZ curse strikes again.

Can you clarify who "around the corner" is? Verifiable, accurate information is alot different than bull$hit rumors that aren't proven.

[XYRCNCP]

I thought SCC had a Project Matrix to be turboed by XS.....

[4B]

Whats the update on the Turbo is it still on hold?

[David Draper]

It's not on hold, it's just slow...

We have a car in getting fitted right now, and should have some more news to post toward the end of this week or the beginning of next week.

Pics for sure!

[oldster]

Originally posted by David Draper
It's not on hold, it's just slow...

We have a car in getting fitted right now, and should have some more news to post toward the end of this week or the beginning of next week.

Pics for sure!

David, will that be the MRS or Celica?

[larryd]

:)

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by oldster


David, will that be the MRS or Celica?

They're working on the MR2 Spyder (MRS) first, if I'm not mistaken.

[Red-one]

I'm tired of getting excuses of "not been able" to finish,dyno,run at track,etc...They've been working on this kit fo about 5-6months.. and haven't finished it yet! That is BS. If I start to do my turbo set-up now for the GTS I bet I will be done before you release your kit Draper. I think WC had reasonable time and reaserch$$$ to finish this kit product already...Know they are going to stop just bc's the downpipe is weld-on and not bolt-on...!
What's this crap? Forget about bolting it on.! Test it and post results.....! price,etc....I dont think I or anyone here mind paying $40 to a muff-shop for a simple weld...

Bring results....Not excuses...I'm tired of this..

[larryd]

Red-one.. then quit your bitching and build your turbo.. its that simple.. ofcourse a turbo system can be built for your car really fast.. but building a turbo system for everyones car and making sure it works before selling it to the public takes time..

[Keyshawn]

Red-One,
Your frustration is understandable. I'm sure many GT owners feel similar. But try to have patience with this. I'm sure Draper and his associates are doing the best they can. The only other route is to fabricate a custom turbo. It's up to you.

[cool2miketlu]

Damn man.... I want a turbo. I was holding out for Davids turbo but now I am thinking about just go get a custom one done. This Celica started 1999 and 2.5 years later still no turbo?? Hope that Matrix with the same engine will motivate aftermarket company to produce something for our car... Did not really want to bitch but I have waited 2.5 years I deserve to let some anger out don't I?

[larryd]

i just find is amusing that alot of you guys think there is nothing to having a custom turbo kit made.. most companies want 3000 alone to just make the manifold :)

[Red-one]

Well I'm going custom...My system is going to run me about $2k-2.5k .It's not a big science. Just don't go everkill on miscl. or expensive part's that won't add any performance. A nicely designed 2.5K turbo system will outpower a more expensive$6k system if done properly. The trick is in the tunning and not getting greedy after the install if not you'll end up with a bag of expensive paper weights.. I'll go my way save $$$ doing it and selectingn the products I want and not being rammed! By some big company "Brand name". Sweet & simple. NO TO-4 just a good fast spooling well designed powerfull syst.

My 2c.

BRGS
RED

[David Draper]

Originally posted by Red-one

I'm tired of getting excuses of "not been able" to finish,dyno,run at track,etc...They've been working on this kit fo about 5-6months.. and haven't finished it yet! That is BS. If I start to do my turbo set-up now for the GTS I bet I will be done before you release your kit Draper. I think WC had reasonable time and reaserch$$$ to finish this kit product already...Know they are going to stop just bc's the downpipe is weld-on and not bolt-on...!
What's this crap? Forget about bolting it on.! Test it and post results.....! price,etc....I dont think I or anyone here mind paying $40 to a muff-shop for a simple weld...

Bring results....Not excuses...I'm tired of this..

Well I'm going custom...My system is going to run me about $2k-2.5k .It's not a big science. Just don't go everkill on miscl. or expensive part's that won't add any performance. A nicely designed 2.5K turbo system will outpower a more expensive$6k system if done properly. The trick is in the tunning and not getting greedy after the install if not you'll end up with a bag of expensive paper weights.. I'll go my way save $$$ doing it and selectingn the products I want and not being rammed! By some big company "Brand name". Sweet & simple. NO TO-4 just a good fast spooling well designed powerfull syst.

My 2c.

BRGS
RED

Red,

$2K to $2.5K, less than 5 months....

Okay. Best of luck.

Given the hostility displayed above, I'm assuming that you will have your dyno results posted up here very soon. ;)

August 21, 2002....clock's ticking....

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

David be nice :chuckles:

[TRD-GT]

i have to admit that for any guy that should sound hopefull at best....
BUT i know rafa....i dunno if he will make it or not. but i will let u on a little secret...shhh dont tell anybody...but that guy, he has a teg with a custom turbot kit done by him, he also has a volky u know the old ones...thats is forced fed...done by him to...all of it...custom and by him, not a shop....so all in all he can do it...NO THE QUESTION THAT COMES TO MIND...CAN U???cause i have been hearing for this kit from december...and top this date...nothing????clock is ticking???and u did say that it would be ready for december???dunno...so its what today??let see 3 months have gone by???no kit??

a lot of pips talk the talk....but off all u are the worst...dont u guys think is time to walk the walk???plz say so. so that i can order mine....like tomorrow

sorry if it sounded hard, but of all people david u are not the one to be asking other pips if they can do it, cause u guys so far have deliver, but there is no turbo kit....so all i hear is talking talking and talking....man i got the money...so finish it so that i can buy it

p.d.:dont get mad at me dd, i still wuv u...did u got the red leather covers for the celica...money is ready for that too....k

[David Draper]

Originally posted by TRD-GT
i have to admit that for any guy that should sound hopefull at best....
BUT i know rafa....i dunno if he will make it or not. but i will let u on a little secret...shhh dont tell anybody...but that guy, he has a teg with a custom turbot kit done by him, he also has a volky u know the old ones...thats is forced fed...done by him to...all of it...custom and by him, not a shop....so all in all he can do it...NO THE QUESTION THAT COMES TO MIND...CAN U???cause i have been hearing for this kit from december...and top this date...nothing????clock is ticking???and u did say that it would be ready for december???dunno...so its what today??let see 3 months have gone by???no kit??

a lot of pips talk the talk....but off all u are the worst...dont u guys think is time to walk the walk???plz say so. so that i can order mine....like tomorrow

sorry if it sounded hard, but of all people david u are not the one to be asking other pips if they can do it, cause u guys so far have deliver, but there is no turbo kit....so all i hear is talking talking and talking....man i got the money...so finish it so that i can buy it

p.d.:dont get mad at me dd, i still wuv u...did u got the red leather covers for the celica...money is ready for that too....k

Well, you have to keep in mind that I am not a turbo-kit-builder by trade. I know who to go to, and I know how to organize it all, but given the level of difficulty I've had getting funded and approved for this and the fact that I have to take care of all the other things my job requires, it's kind of surprising that it's going anywhere at all.

Also, there's a lot more to making a full bolt-on turbo kit than tossing in a fifth injector and rollin' down the road....there's a lot involved in producing this kit.

I don't want anyone to think that we're lagging on this. We don't have any facility to produce any of this ourselves, so we're dependent on the scheduling the vendors can provide.

As it is, we have a car in their shop right now which should hopefully have the hardware half of things done by tomorrow or Monday, and should be in for the ECU/fuel delivery part of things next week.

I can understand the frustration but jeez, has anyone here EVER heard of a dealership releasing a turbo kit? Ever? Probably not, because it's a very involved process that is better suited to a shop that does that sort of thing on a regular basis.

So anyway, we're doing the best we can. I'll keep y'all posted.

And beto, your seat covers are coming in :)

David

[NSX_GTR_LM]

Hey dave, I am bringin my cow out in august for school. I want to return to Pittsburgh with a BEAST :) you think it will be out by the end of the year, because I am gonna have some cashola once i pay off my car in august:gap:

[larryd]

hehe.. Dave, wanna get a drink..its on me :)

seriously though.. hell if i could have made my own manifold I woulda had my own custom turbo many many months ago.. but people dont realize the effort that goes into that part alone if its not something you do..

[Xlr8_10]

geez.. people sure are gettin desperate n going a bit wacko around here lately! hostile even.. its a funny thing FI can do to onez mind. i gues we can all sympathize tho cant we? ..

[NSX_GTR_LM]

I wasn't tryin to be a bitch, i was serious. My car is comin out to cali in august, and I gotta drive it back in 2003 to get inspected in PA. I wanna return with a beast so I can beat on all the *******s at the local track that run rustangs and sheeit. So tired of people callin my car jap scrap and $hit :fawk: I guess thats what happens when you live in Pittsburgh:)

[TRD-GT]

dd:
ok sorry if i sounded harsh, it was not my intentions...thanks for the update....lol

BUT I BETTER SEE THE DAM COVERS SOON, CAUSE I WANT THEM.....thankies brah....lol
just let me know when u get them...ok

[Austinbrtndr]

dave, ive got tons of time.... but it would be nice to hear the sound of a blow off valve coming from my car in the not too distant future... neway... best of luck to ya... do you have any kind of idea what kind of increase were talking about here? any idea on cost...? can you tell me how this will compare to the already available supercharger...?

[cybrpunk]

Hey Dave,

I'm not sure if this issue has been brought up by any other So. Cal Celica owners... but will the WCT Turbo be Smog legal? I can care less if it voids warranty, but If I get your turbo, I want to pass the California Smog test when it's time to do so.

[David Draper]

Originally posted by cybrpunk
Hey Dave,

I'm not sure if this issue has been brought up by any other So. Cal Celica owners... but will the WCT Turbo be Smog legal? I can care less if it voids warranty, but If I get your turbo, I want to pass the California Smog test when it's time to do so.

Well....if you hooked the car up to a machine, it would pass. Getting CARB certification is a very long process, however, upon completion, we will be applying for approval.

Since the factory catalytic converter setup will remain intact, as well as the oxygen sensor arrangement, it's safe to assume that the car will operate as it did prior to the kit being installed.

So, to answer your question, probably, but it will take a little while.

Thanks,
David

[cybrpunk]

Thanks for the reply Dave.... by the way, when are you getting the next shipment of TRD short shifters?

[Fourgig]

Well, I've got two more years until I have to do the first smog check, so hopefully the kit will be out by then...and have its CARB number. ;)

[cybrpunk]

Originally posted by Fourgig
Well, I've got two more years until I have to do the first smog check, so hopefully the kit will be out by then...and have its CARB number. ;)

Same here. I have 2 years to go.