Questions for Keyshawn... Info for everyone...

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Hey Keyshawn, just wanted to know how the XS kit has been doing since we have been having all the erratic weather. 90 degree days 50 degree nights and such.

[7THSIGN]

yeah whats up Keyshawn? hows the trd lsd doing?

[Keyshawn]

I have around 5,900 mi on my engine since getting the turbo (about 55,000 mi on the car overall) . So far, so good. However, the hot weather seems to affect HP alot (according to my butt-dyno:D ). The car seems much quicker in cooler weather than during those 90 degree days we've been having. Intercooler efficiency must be suffering like crazy. Even though it's not turbo-related, I'd like to check out my lift bolts to see what shape they're in, ever since I've read those threads about those VVTLi issues ( http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88696 , http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83155&highlight=tsb ) and since my car is relatively old (2000 model with an 8/99 build date).

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Interesting. I asked because I too have been a little slugish with the weather. I was thinking of maybe having another Map tunned for hotter days. The car feels pretty crappy.

The lift bolt issue is another good point. I suggest that people get these check-ed out before they get FI done.

[jdm2zz]

yo keyshawn, i ran 13.8, hehe.....peace

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by jdm2zz
yo keyshawn, i ran 13.8, hehe.....peace

Sounds great! What track did you run at? Can you post any pics, vids, or timeslips you have of your run? I'd love to check those out. Props, man.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

He did it at California Speedway this Saturday. Can't wait to see an LSD on that sucker!

[7THSIGN]

jdm2zz. i pmed you bout your run. let me know. pc

[larryd]

Yea can you post up info for everyone else to see like your whole timeslip and mods list??

[ctkrider]

My car feels more sluggish in the heat as well....so that's why I only drive my car at night....that and I don't want the cops to see my car during the day and give me a state referee ticket

[ctkrider]

Originally posted by larryd
Yea can you post up info for everyone else to see like your whole timeslip and mods list??


http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91544

[larryd]

Hmmm.. 13.8 @ 102 huh.. Im really starting to wonder about this kit. I could care less about the ET because thats all on the driver but the mph should be alot higher then 102. I trapped 106 with my 50shot. and I was doing almost 100 n/a

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

It was around 92 degrees with 85% humidity on that day.

[larryd]

Eh, still falls far from impressive man. I was trapping atleast 97mph when it was dead summer heat here with i/e..

[X-EVIL-X]

yea that still doesn't make sense.
a 50 shot puts you at 220 to the wheels and the turbo kit puts you at 260 to the wheels. you should be in the 108-110mph range i would think.

[Keyshawn]

One thing I've noticed is that I have traction problems not only while launching, but also during lift. This could possibly be a factor in the slow trap speeds.

[nyoneway]

Usually a bad 60 foot will yeild higher trap speed. Cars like FWD that has less traction will have much higher trap speed than 4WD cars with better traction.

[saiyajinc]

kinda off topic but how do you check your build date?

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by nyoneway
Usually a bad 60 foot will yeild higher trap speed. Cars like FWD that has less traction will have much higher trap speed than 4WD cars with better traction.

But like I said, I also lose traction and spin my tires when in lift, which probably hurts trap speeds.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by saiyajinc
kinda off topic but how do you check your build date?

Check out the info on the driver's side door jam.

[tofu]

i thought spinning tires lead to higher trap speeds...thats why when using nitrous and getting that surge of power immediatly, the trap speed are abnormally high bacause of loss of traction...iono tho

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by tofu
i thought spinning tires lead to higher trap speeds...thats why when using nitrous and getting that surge of power immediatly, the trap speed are abnormally high bacause of loss of traction...iono tho

Not if you're spinning your tires during lift, which would mean you're spinning your tires at the end of the run. If this happens, your car wouldn't be travelling as fast.

[larryd]

Thing is Keyshawn that I was spinning my tires through all of 1st 2nd and into 3rd gear with a 50shot on my GTS and I still managed better times/mph.

Im just anxiously awaiting better #s..

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by larryd
Thing is Keyshawn that I was spinning my tires through all of 1st 2nd and into 3rd gear with a 50shot on my GTS and I still managed better times/mph.

Im just anxiously awaiting better #s..

Hmmm...that is strange then. Your traction problems on the bottle sound very similar to the problems that I've observed also. What kinda trap speeds were you getting?

[larryd]

2.394
9.203
82.66
13.949
104.48

That was my best ET on nitrous. My best trap was a 14.1 @ 106 something.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

http://members.hometown.aol.com/imjoeycamilleri/images/turborun.bmp

jdm2zz is on the right.

[jdm2zz]

its all about the powerband and how your is tuned, mph is almost pointless to bring up when we r talking about 1/4 times, larry d u neeed to go to the track and learn a lesson...str8 up!!!

[X-EVIL-X]

slap some slicks on that bitch

[IllicaCelica]

Heh, I ran a 97.9 with just a straight pipe echaust....

[larryd]

Originally posted by jdm2zz
its all about the powerband and how your is tuned, mph is almost pointless to bring up when we r talking about 1/4 times, larry d u neeed to go to the track and learn a lesson...str8 up!!!

How do you figure mph is pointless to bring up when we are talking about 1/4 slips. MPH is everything in your 1/4 slips because it determines the power that your car is actually putting down. And on a FWD since getting your ETs super low alot of people concentrate on just upping their mph so they know what the car can do from a roll on race.

I need to go to the track and learn a lesson?? RIGHT.. Sorry man but I ran those times back in 2000 when the car first came out. I also ran a 14.4 @ 99 with just intake and exhaust.

Don't get pissy with me because Im saying my 800 nitrous kit is just as fast as your 6000 turbo kit. Prove me wrong, Id be more then humble if you get that thing running great times.

[Keyshawn]

Let's not start taking personal shots at each other now, fellas. This is an interesting discussion. Let's keep it mature. One thing we must remember is that it's kinda hard to compare times from different tracks with different conditions. At the So Cal tracks right now, it's 90 degrees and up. Alot of those n/a runs in the low 14s from back in the day were done in 30-40 degree weather.

[larryd]

some where Keyshawn, not all. We were still bustin out mid 14s in middle of summer out here as well. Granted the tracks you guys are running at may not be the best but Id still like to see better.

Thats why Im saying, prove me wrong. Someone who has these kits should take it to a good track and really see what its capable of. who cares what it can do at some **** track where #s dont mean anything. If your going to run it, then run it at the right place and put down some impressive #s.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

Unfortunetly we dont have any good tracks here.

Palmdale - 3000ft, HOT, worst times, no traction, and very bumpy

Carlsbad - 500ft, slightly uphill

California Speedway - HOT HOT HOT and bad traction

Thats all we have.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Oo DaRk StAr oO
Unfortunetly we dont have any good tracks here.

Palmdale - 3000ft, HOT, worst times, no traction, and very bumpy

Carlsbad - 500ft, slightly uphill

California Speedway - HOT HOT HOT and bad traction

Thats all we have.

He's right. It's just a fact, and it's not just due to the weather. Some tracks are simply better than others, and none of those fast tracks are in So Cal. For instance, compare how many current national records in import drag racing are broken on tracks such as, say, E-town or Maple Grove to the number broken on one of the So Cal tracks like LACR. It's not like all those racers suddenly switched to faster cars, tuned their cars better, or miraculously turned into better drivers. Like I said, you can't compare numbers on So Cal tracks to numbers on other tracks.

http://www.importdrag.com/halloffame.html

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2003/stats/records.html

[larryd]

Wow.. that does suck.. I guess Im just lucky that there are several really nice tracks within a 2 hour drive of me :)

[Redneck GT-S]

The only track I've ran my car at with just an RMM intake and TRD ehaust yielded a 15.92 at 89 MPH. That was on a hot day while I spun all the way through first and second.
That was my first time out as well but, a lot of guys said that the track was crap.

[billybrun]

Hey Keyshawn, when are you running yours? It looks like you are the only one with a good chance here. Since you have LSD... Just borrow somebody's stock rims with stock Yokos and give it a shot.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by billybrun
Hey Keyshawn, when are you running yours? It looks like you are the only one with a good chance here. Since you have LSD... Just borrow somebody's stock rims with stock Yokos and give it a shot.

I'm still trying to recover financially from those expensive tranny problems I had earlier this year. When I have enough cash saved up in case something like that happens again, I'll give it a go. But as mentioned before, our $hitty tracks here might prevent the times and speeds that everyone wants to see so badly.

[jdm2zz]

larryd ur all talk..im callin u out to the track......teach u a lesson, u need to learn from experience, ur all talk, everyone else, u guys are cool..haha

[ctkrider]

Originally posted by jdm2zz
larryd ur all talk..im callin u out to the track......teach u a lesson, u need to learn from experience, ur all talk, everyone else, u guys are cool..haha


:nono:

[aznleo28]

Originally posted by jdm2zz
larryd ur all talk..im callin u out to the track......teach u a lesson, u need to learn from experience, ur all talk, everyone else, u guys are cool..haha

LOL wtf who do you think you are man? You think you're hella bad ass because you got the xs kit or something? do you even know larryd runs this site? Hes one of the first celicas to hit 14's and his time is still one of the best of the celicas even though it was like 2 years ago with only I/E. you run 13.8 with 250 plus whp in your hands you're trying to teach someone else a lesson? You gotta be kidding...

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by jdm2zz
larryd ur all talk..im callin u out to the track......teach u a lesson, u need to learn from experience, ur all talk, everyone else, u guys are cool..haha

Let's not disregard humility and respect because of a turbo kit. Larry's achievements with the Celica and this messageboard are well-respected and well-documented.

[csulbkid]

Originally posted by aznleo28
LOL wtf who do you think you are man? You think you're hella bad ass because you got the xs kit or something? do you even know larryd runs this site? Hes one of the first celicas to hit 14's and his time is still one of the best of the celicas even though it was like 2 years ago with only I/E. you run 13.8 with 250 plus whp in your hands you're trying to teach someone else a lesson? You gotta be kidding...
:stupid:

[jdm2zz]

look at all u people ass kissing cuz he runs the site...everythime i say something this ass has something negative to say...why dont u guys say **** to him....im out

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by jdm2zz
look at all u people ass kissing cuz he runs the site...everythime i say something this ass has something negative to say...why dont u guys say **** to him....im out

Like you, I don't agree with larry's doubts about the XS kit based solely on your trap speeds, and I've argued my point about other factors such as track conditions being involved. But one thing to remember is that it's possible to disagree with peeps on this site (whether it be larry or anybody else) and still be civil towards them and humble about yourself.

[Fourgig]

Originally posted by jdm2zz
look at all u people ass kissing cuz he runs the site...everythime i say something this ass has something negative to say...why dont u guys say **** to him....im out

Because when he says something, it's usually fairly intelligent. You, on the other hand, almost always sound like a 'tard.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

I agree with you jdm bro.

Best come back we can give Larry is by proving him wrong. I have known larry for a long time now and he will admit it when he is wrong. So lets go prove it now.

[aznleo28]

yea man i don' t think anyone is trying to be negative. Everyone here wants to see the best times out of the celica.

[ctkrider]

I don't doubt the power of the xs...I think gnes100 actually raced jdm yesterday at the track. Something about Jdm hitting nos w/ the turbo and trapping 113? Don't know all the details. Care to fill us in Levi?

[ctkrider]

hrmm..nm I found levi's post..it didn't say anything about nos in it, so I might be wrong, but when he called me I thought he said something about jdm having nos....but anyhow, here's the link to the thread: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92511

[Masayver]

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe XS's dyno results are off? Has anyone with the XS kit done an independent dyno yet?

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

XS has one of the best Dyno's in the country.

[ctkrider]

Originally posted by Masayver
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe XS's dyno results are off? Has anyone with the XS kit done an independent dyno yet?

Tons of people go to XS to dyno their project cars or products. I believe Injen use to, turbo magazine for their project celica, and numerous more.

[Masayver]

But XS is a company selling a product....and manufacturer results are always in "optimal conditions". I'd still like to see an independent dyno done.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by Masayver
But XS is a company selling a product....and manufacturer results are always in "optimal conditions". I'd still like to see an independent dyno done.

Valid point. I think that Smaay is gonna be at that dyno shootout in Bakersfield CA next week. That should provide the independent dyno you're looking for.

[ctkrider]

Originally posted by Keyshawn
Valid point. I think that Smaay is gonna be at that dyno shootout in Bakersfield CA next week. That should provide the independent dyno you're looking for.


but keep in mind it's going to be in bakersfield which is a lot hotter than SoCal.

[Keyshawn]

Originally posted by ctkrider
but keep in mind it's going to be in bakersfield which is a lot hotter than SoCal.


Great point. The SAE correction factor doesn't compensate for the negative affect on intercooler efficiency that the hot weather will have. Another thing you guys that dyno that day should observe is whether your radiator fans turn on during any of your runs. That would affect your HP numbers alot if your radiator fans start blowing hot air through your intercoolers.

[Oo DaRk StAr oO]

from what Richard was telling me he has a can of N20 he will spray into the fan to keep them cool.

[Smaay]

Yeah im going so ill have results up as soon as its done

[SFpower]

hey i check the famoso site and the track is open the night of the dyno meet .I thought it would be sweet if we could all go to the track afterwards ,its the day before battle of the imports!