Story about a Newcelica.org member

[bullet1]

Well, this is by no way a good story. Some of you read the story in the For Sale forum but I wanted more people to see it. I bought a TRD Rear Valence off of BlitzCelica, he described the thing as "no scratch on it". This couldn't be further from the truth and I in turn was RIPPED off. The valence was in absolutely sick condition. The finish was all scratched up and it looked like it was painted with a spray can. He also said that it had been on his car for 2 months. This thing looked like it was 10 years old... just sick. You can read the rest of the story in the link, and a few pics.

I would ban him from selling anything here again...



http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4696

[DaileyDog]

WOW! That sucks man. Sorry.

Hey Larry, why don't we start of Hall of Shame on here that would include bastards who posed as friends and screwed the rest of us over? It could be a kind of Better Business Bureau of NC.org.

I nominate this clown and that MonkeyBoy piece of sh!t. Thank God I wasn't in on any of those deals. I really feel bad for the guys who were ripped off.

Ya know, I haven't bought anything from anyone here since the Monkeyboy fiasco. Frankly, I don't know who I can trust. A feedback forum on dirty members might help seperate the wheat from the shafters (to adjust a phrase).

Mike

[soceur]

id never buy from a junior member!!

sorry to all the cool ones though.

[jonasblack]

hey Larry why don't you do a seller rating for people doing sales here? Kind of like ebay. just a thought.

[Lamar Vannoy]

What an A$$.

[MarkyMark]

Originally posted by DaileyDog
since the Monkeyboy fiasco.

what happened??

[Zorn]

Originally posted by MarkyMark


what happened??

Are you joking, or just living under a rock?

[MarkyMark]

Originally posted by Zorn


Are you joking, or just living under a rock?

no really, I havent heard anything about this. I get out too much :)

[DaileyDog]

Marky: If you're serious (and I don't think you are), go to the For Sale forum and read the BLOWN CELICA thread at the top. It's a long read. And it ain't pretty.

Mike

[QWKsilvr808]

Yikes. Mmm he advertised it as a TRD valence?? Don't those come prepainted from the factory? So if it's painted like shyt, aren't odds high that it isn't even a TRD part, most likely WW? In which case you may have been even further ripped off... :(

[blitzcelica]

alrite.... first at all, u are bad mouthing me all over the places be4 i know whats goin on until now. And it seems like some ppl got the impression of what kinda liar i m just from one side story.......

I donno what kinda trick are u trying to pull here and i can swear to god there wasnt any nick or crap when i shipped it over.

Unfortunally i didnt take any picture of that rear valence be4 i shipped it over cause i wasnt expecting any crap like this would happen.....

[blitzcelica]

alrite.... i will post ur emails and i hope u ppl can judge for urself ..



>From: BVance@checkfree.com
>To: "Blitz Celica" <blitzcelica@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: TRD Valence1
>Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:02:03 -0500
>
>
>Hey, I got the rear Valence today and I have a few questions... oh initial
>inspection of it, there is scratches all over it. and the feel of it feels
>like it was repainted. Is this the case? I mean I have the other 2
>pieces brand new and the finish on them is just superior to that on this
>piece. Plus there is Silver paint on one of the rubber pieces that meets
>the body that wouldn't be on there origionally. Plus each of the edges on
>the valence has scratches all over it. And the pieces that are in the
>wheel well are all scratched up... not normal wear and tear. Now if I
>only had the pieces in my living room on my car for a couple months I can
>guarantee you that they wouldn't even look close to what this looks like.
>Obviously you didn't tell me the true condition of this piece as you said "
>there is no scratch on it."(quoted from you). There are scratches all over
>it and if I were to put this on my car I would have to have it painted
>again. Needless to say I am extremely disappointed in the condition of the
>valence. I don't know how you can say that there wasn't a scratch on it
>when there are scratches all over it.... I mean ALL OVER.
>
>If in fact this thing was painted and you blatantly lied about this I would
>like a refund of my money and I will send this back to you, that way I will
>only be out $50 rather than $220. Or you give me half my money back so
>that I can get it painted again so there aren't scratches all over it. I
>would be better off buying a WW valence and having it painted.



I dont mind getting my rear valence back but how do i know if it's still in original condiction be4 i shipped it over ?!

U mentioned its alrite if i send u 110 dollars to let u repaint the rear valence to make it looks like new...... come on... i said its been used for 2 months and there was no scratch or even nick on it.....





>From: BVance@checkfree.com
>To: "Blitz Celica" <blitzcelica@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: TRD Valence1
>Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:06:59 -0500
>
>
>Kai,
> Now needless to say I am not happy about this. I'm not sure if you
>looked on Newcelica.org but I have expressed my feelings a little bit on
>there. But I will go further. I'm not sure what I wrote in my first email
>either so I will just write, and if I repeat myself, oh well. I took it to
>a trusted body shop here in town and they looked at it and they said it
>looked like you painted it with spray paint. You said that this didn't
>have a scratch on it.... I can't believe you would flat out lie like
>that... if that thing doesn't have any scratches what the hell does your
>car look like. The finish of this thing is HORRIBLE. And if you would
>like I can print out those 2 quotes that I got to have it painted. Or if
>you didn't read NC.org... $236 and $257. Now for me to get this thing
>looking good enough to put on my car it is going to cost me more than what
>I paid you for it.... absolutely rediculous. Something has to be done
>about this because you blatantly lied about this.
>
>-Brian


all rite, u r bad mouthing me all over the places right after the first email.... I dont even know whats goin on and ppl are pointing fingers at me already..... good move brian.... u have expressed ur feelings a little bit by calling me a liar and u want ur money back or sent u a cheque of 110.00 US huh ?!

lets see what u sent me today....



>From: BVance@checkfree.com
>To: "Blitz Celica" <blitzcelica@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: TRD Valence1
>Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:43:46 -0500
>
>
>So, you are deciding not to email me back.... apparently because you know
>you ripped me off. Well, If I don't get a reply from you by next week I am
>going to open a small claims court suit suing you for the amount of the
>bumper plus the cost of painting it to the condition of "not a scratch on
>it". I hope you don't think you are going to get away with this scot free
>because I will see to it that you don't.
>
>-Brian


so u are suing me for the new bumper and the cost to repaint the valence if i dont take my rear valence back or if i dont mail u half the money u sent to me.

[jeffery_23]

ok... obviously there're scretches,

but i saw blitzcelica 's rear valance b4 he ship it to you and
it was perfect, dun be $hitty man, if u dun want to take the
risk that it will be scretch when shipping , why dun you just
get it in US, U want cheaper stuff,so u take the risk, but now
u fxxking blame the quality and want to get $$ back ?
no way man, stop lying and also stop this $hit

[blitzcelica]

to answer ur qestion brian.... the kit was repainted silver at professional bodyshop after the purchasing of white trd valence....
But there were no scratch or nick be4 i shipped it over.....

[00 Alpine White]

okay... everybody stop flaming everybody else first...

the damages of the part could well be made by the custom or the delivery process...

so Biltzcelica, how was it packed when you sent it?

and bullet1, how was it packed when you got it?

[blitzcelica]

it was wrapped with paper and plastic in the original trd box

[jeffery_23]

remember bullet1
tell the truth and dun lie

[pensfan83]

"dun"?

[pensfan83]

Just a thought, how long was the item in transit?
(posting in both threads)

[Ugly Pete]

if you werent blind you could see that those scratches couldnt of been made durring shipping unless it fell out of the box and was dragged all over the ground.

[pensfan83]

oh, I have no doubt that the damage wasn't caused during the shipping itself. My thought was maybe someone tampered with it during the journey. But the more I think about it, the less I want to consider that a viable explanation and the less I want to give blitz the benefit of the doubt.

[bullet1]

You have got to be kidding me.... there is no way this was painted by a professional. There are multiple paint drips on it and they completely missed like 2 other spots on it. I took it to a REPUTABLE body shop and they said it looked like it as done with a spray can... their words not mine. And there is no way that these scratches came from shipping.... they are ALL OVER. They only way that they happened is like the other dude saidl... they took it out of the box and drug it accross the gound. You must have never of looked at this thing up close because you know... it looks pretty good from 15 ft. away... but if you look close there is scratches all over it. Yes I am badmouthing you because you sent me this horribly repainted POS. Yes I am badmouthing you because if there wasn't a scratch on it before shipping you should have packed it better, though I HIGHLY doubt this to be the case. I will ship this back to you and eat the $50. Just send me my money back and we will call it even. I don't want to have to go to court or anything like that, but I have plenty of people who were around when I took this thing out of hte box and they saw the condition of it and would be willing to back my side of the story.

[bullet1]

Oh, and it was wrapped with one layer of foam paper and one layer of newspaper with masking tape around it. Not the best packing job but also not bad enough for it to get scratched up like it was.

[bullet1]

Well... I'm back with more pics of this thing... I made sure you could see more of what was wrong with it this time... You can clearly see the 2 gouges in the bumper and also you can see the paint drip on the side of the fin.

[bullet1]

This one you can clearly see the unevenness of the paint itself. there are scratches all over this part, but they don't show up too well in the pic...

[bullet1]

Here you can see how the paint doesn't go all the way to the edge and the WHITE Shows right through....

[buckeye23]

Painted at a professional body shop? Blitz, just cause you put that **** on in your parent's garage, doesn't mean it's a professional body shop. Any body shop who's paint job includes leaving paint drips on parts doesn't stand to be in business long.

Jeff, man, speak english man. Using words and phrases like "dun be $hitty" doesn't help Blitz's case any. I understand that you're standing by your boy, I'm standing by mine. But you guys need to be honest, you went to the store and bought a can of silver spray paint and went to town on that valence. And from reading both threads, NO WHERE does it say that the valence was originally white, NO WHERE. Blitz does say "the kit is silver btw..." Blitz said that! It does not say anything about being white originally. That fact is Blitz lied.

You guys know you passed off a p.o.s. part. The cool thing to do would be to return Bullet's money and let him ship the valence back to you. Step up to the plate and do the right thing.

Bullet, if necessary, I'll submit a written document as to what I saw the condition of the valence to be. Just let me know.

[bullet1]

Here is another one of the crappy paint... the line in the fin isn't a shadow... it is where silver paint stops and white paint starts... more evidence of the crappy paint job. Yes, this is all evidence of the paint job, not the scratches that he claim weren't there before shipping. Professional paint job... LMAO

[bullet1]

Yep, I got more... this is a pic of multiple scratches right down the side of the skirt... right where people would see, the scratches are much worse than the pic shows...

[bullet1]

So, now I have my side of the story, pics that show my side of the story, and another member to vouch for my side of the story who has seen the valence in person. So, you tell me BLITZ, who is not telling the truth.

[blitzcelica]

first at all, do i have to write an essay about the history of the item whatever i m selling ?! I stated " The valence is silver and there is no nick or scratch" True, the rear valence was white when i bought it but i took it to a shop to get it repainted.

Now u are saying i spary painted the valence and making faulty assumption that leads some ppl thinking i really did that...
I really dont like making faulty assumption but how the XXXX do i know if someone is too cheap to get new parts and altered the valence trying to get it repainted like new. Sure u got all kinda pictures but what are their creditibility? Some ppl on the net believeing everything they see and hear without knowing the real truth behine it.

Second, I am willing to take the valence back under one condiction. I want it back as original condiction as i shipped it to u be4. I will not take that valence as u have shown in those pictures since it was not like that be4 i shipped it to u.

Last at all, U wanna call it even and ship it back to me huh ?!
How do u call it even after most of ppl are doubting me due to ur "real story" pictures ?! well... let me tell u what brian, some ppl have a life and dont have time hanging on the net 24 hours. Lets bring it to court but here....



For those ppl who thinks junior memebers are xxxx......... Yes. we dont like to invade ur little world and get a life.

[bullet1]

You are dilusional.... I have at least 10 people that have seen the thing right when I opened it. Those pics are the way it came out of the box. The Paint job is the way it was when I recieved it. And yes you do have to give a history of the product you are selling, especially when it has been painted. Just like if you sell a car and the car has been wrecked... you need to tell people that. I have not done anything to further ruin the condition of the piece, and I have a multitude of people to back that. The paint job in those pics had to be like it was when you shipped it. What, Did customs strip the paint and then repaint it????? No, and for me to alter it I would have had to first paint it white (without knowing that it had been white to begin with) and then do a crappy job of painting it again. Now why the hell would I have to do that to a Valence that you claimed didn't have a scratch on it. You call me a liar... I have all the evidence... and it is all against you.

[blitzcelica]

sure u got the rear valence in ur hand right now and u get all the ppl believeing in ur story. I m still standing for what i stated and I wont give up the fight without trying....

[NSX_GTR_LM]

blitzcelica,

I cant believe you are actually trying to put up a fight here. What did brian have to gain by screwing you over? All he wanted was a decent quality valence. You want the valence in the condition you claim to have sent it? That makes a lot of sense. Have Vance do $250 in body work, give him his 220 back, he pays 50 in shipping, and he is out 300 dollars? Please tell me this was a sarcastic comment. You say he was badmouthing you, but from the emails you posted he seemed to be dealing with you in a very professional manner. He was preturbed by you not emailing him back, and it seems like the only way he was able to grab your attention was by posting about you on newcelica. What if he didn't? Would you have ever gotten back to him? Would you have talked to him about the condition of the part and worked something out had he not questioned your credibilty on Newcelica?


THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS THE FOLLOWING, SO IF YOU HAVE SKIPPED THE REST I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ANSWER THIS:

You claim that the credibilty of those pictures is sketchy (to me implying that he altered the valence).

If he didn't know that the valence was white to begin with, then in order for him to alter the pictures, he would need to know (through telepathy i guess) that the valence was white from before, sprayed it white, and then sprayed it back to silver. How do you explain this? What does he gain from doing this? He would be out either a nice valence or $50 to ship it back and a two cans of spraypaint. Seems to me like a stupid move that a smart guy like Brian wouldn't make.

[blitzcelica]

professional manner huh ?!

please look at the date of those emails.... Brian said he is not happy with the rear valence on Jan 31 and he sent me the third email saying i m not getting back to him on the next day (Feb 1). I found out he is saying all kinda story all over the places be4 i notice anything. u called that professional manner huh ?!

Some asses on this borad are accusing me spray painted the rear valence cause brian is making assumptions here and there. I wasnt expecting the whole thing would be like this so i didnt take any pictures be4 i put it in the box. cause i m a junior member here and i got ppl saying those junior members are not trust worthy.

To answer ur questions NSX, YES, the piece was white and repainted silver at bodyshop right after the purchase. I did not lie to him it has not been repainted. If he asked if the rear valence has been repainted I'd told him the truth. It is always easy to tell whats underneath the paint after its been altered dont u think?

As for what brian have to gain by screwing me over ?! funny u asked. If u have looked at the emails U will know what kinda gain he'd get by screwing me over. He was asking for the half of the money refound which is 110US dollars. I got the total amount of 220US including shipping. The shipping is 60US and its included.
So what am i getting here ?! 160US for a freaking valence and all this **** load of crap from him. He was asking for half the money back which is 110US.. Lets see what am i getting here. 220 - 60 - 110 = 50 US ?! FOR GODS SAKE.... 50 US DOLLARS ?!?! After he realized he is not getting a cent from me so he decided to send back the crappy valence from him huh ?! oh well...... i dont care what u ppl think and say now cause its getting annoying.....

I will not goin any further and wasting my time here until i receive any official legal action.


peace

[bullet1]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Why would I do all this if the thing was in the condition you claimed it to be in. If a reputable company painted this I wouldn't have known that the thing was white to begin with. I wouln't have been able to see the color underneath and I for sure wouldn't have done anything to ruin a perfectly good valence, if in fact that is what I got in the mail. You aren't going to give up without a fight???? is there no end to your ignorance?? what is there to fight?? you sent me this crap and that is the end of it. You are WRONG for doing what you did. You withheld the actual condition of the thing for your benefit only. Just to get it off your hands. If I had known this was repainted I for sure would not have bought it off of you.

Yes, I do have the valence in my hands and yes I do have all the evidence and yes I do have all the witnesses that saw it.... What do you have... nothing. You have a friend posting some sort of english that I have never seen trying to back your story up. Good defense. You have nothing to fight, unless you like losing the arguement. Everyone can see that you are in the wrong here so there is nothing for you to fight. I didn't have time to alter the valence... I took the first pics when I walked in the door from work (which is where I got it). I had the valence home for 10 min. and had pics up. So what are you saying, I somehow figured out that you had it painted from the original color of white... painted it white, then spray painted it, then took pics and then put the pics on the net all in 10 minutes. Yea makes a hell of a lot of sense. Why don't you just admit that you are in the wrong here and save yourself and me a lot of time and frustration about this whole issue. Send me a check for the amount I paid for it and when I get that you will have your valence back IN THE CONDITION THAT I RECEIVED IT IN.

I'll end with a quote from your buddy...

"remember BLITZCELICA tell the truth and dun lie"

[Mercede.TRUCK]

You know what? Bullet. u are just another rip-off on net.
It seems to me that you never bought anything on-line before but this time. Come on, dude, $160, if you aren't satisified, why not you go buy a brand new one for yourself?
From what I see is Bullet is being really paranoid about the whole thing. You got a fairly good deal there. And those scratches is almost invisible from 2 ft away.

And you are trying to rip off this Blizt dude?
Come on, are you a group of people committing to a scam or what?
Btw, why would you have 10 people together at the same time unwrapping the thing? and make them witness the defects on the valence? It seems that you KNOW what would happen inside of the box already. Seriously, you should find a lawyer and see what he can do for you!

How would that Blizt dude know that you didn't scartch the thing yourself? Just a thought...


And, get a life, please. Go ask your mama for some pocket money to repaint the whole thing.

ROFL, 10 peoeple witness the unwrapping of the thing?
Give me a break, it's not Ark, ok?

Btw, those people who are supporting you orally seem to be your good buddies...

DO NOT HOLD A SCAM HERE!

[Mercede.TRUCK]

Hey, Bullet, I'll buy that valence off you and make a few SERIOUS scratches on it and claim for full refunds from you. Plus, I'll ask my freind from Professional bodyshop to take a look at it and act as my witness, and I'll see you in court.
How's that?


Come on, buying stuff on-line is like taking risk, you gotta learn.
At least, Blizt didn't send you the thing in 2 pieces.

[DaileyDog]

Mercede.TRUCK: You're either BLITZ pretending to be someone else or one of his friends standing up for this joker. Whichever, you need to go troll some place else. It's clowns like you and BLITZ that make the net an unsafe place to conduct business.

Mike

[00 Alpine White]

so how do we know if the other 10 "withnesses" of bullet1 isn't the same person!?

[Mercede.TRUCK]

Gee...come on, give me a break, I am just happened to be here.

Seriously, let me ask you a question, how do i know u are not another buddy from the Bullet guy?

You are funny, why would I happen to know him?
Proof to me.

it seems to me that you are more like either Bullet himself or another crazy rip-off party of Bullet's.

Poor ass, don't have money to buy a brand new valence?
ROFL~ funny kiddos

[DevlynSyde]

Anyone else find it funny that this guy just happened to logon to the site. . . today or yesterday at the soonest to post that? Heh...

[00 Alpine White]

In my opinion, Bullet1 is responsible for his purchase... I mean, I've bought quite a few stuffs for my car from the net; but I do all the necessary "homework" before putting my money down. You could have easily asked Blitzcelica to take a few pics before you make the deal. And the thing is, those minor scratches look like you could just use some wax and polish mix to fix them, plus, they are on the under side of the valance and the most inner part of the valance. If you want a perfect valance, why didn't you just get a new one like you did with your front lip and side skirt???

[Mercede.TRUCK]

LOL~whatever you say, doodie.
You can put me together with that Blizt guy just because i signed up today or yesterday.
Funny~
Does that mean anything? funny kiddos
Get a life and make money~
and get a S2000 instead of the crappy celica just like me~haha~

[00 Alpine White]

Originally posted by Mercede.TRUCK
LOL~whatever you say, doodie.
You can put me together with that Blizt guy just because i signed up today or yesterday.
Funny~
Does that mean anything? funny kiddos
Get a life and make money~
and get a S2000 instead of the crappy celica just like me~haha~

haha... hey now... I don't want to see everyone on this site start flaming you! :D

j/k

[Mercede.TRUCK]

i am here to see how people evaluate celica's performance...
oh well, truth speaks for itself, s2000 is really the cool crack

[NSX_GTR_LM]

so anyways mercede truck is a moron. But i love the s2k, and brian could afford the S2k if he wanted. He lives in columbus, and yes they get snow, so it wouldn't be too practical for him (not to mention its his daily driver). But back to the point, I am pretty sure i heard Brian say that he opened it and buddies from work were there or somethin. Not really sure, but i think Brian will confirm this when he sees it. And another thing, the rear valence isn't that expensive brand new painted from TRD. They just dont sell it like that anymore. I paid like 220 for my painted rear valence. Those scratches were hard to see on the bumper in the pictures, but the paint was completely noticeable. One more thing, when a guy advertises not a scratch on it, there better not be a scratch on it.

Brian doesn't have to go to his mommy and get money to repaint it. He is all grown up and can do it on his own if he has to. Once again, scam? what scam? What does Brian gain from this so called scam?

Hey mercedetruck, no one cares that you have an s2000. Yeah, its a sweet car, but its not the best. There is always somethin better. Have a little class and try to be a real enthusiast and realize the point of all cars. They aren't even in the same class (not to mention that an S2k is about 10 k more than a celica).

Dont forget about the repainted thing people. How would brian have known it was repainted after it was white? He wouldn't have had the professional shop done it RIGHT. It doesn't even look like they sanded off the old paint in that picture.

Please think before you post.

[BillWS6Formula]

Closed, everyone has said their piece - take it to email, or PM from here.