How the hell can I land lift!!??

[fox2000gt-s]

I just watched crazy's vid of him landing lift. I have had my car for 3 1/2 years now and have yet to land lift, not even once. I know how to shift but, I really don't want to force the 1-2 shift. I know the solid motor mount helps quite a bit so, I'm gonna get one like two days ago. What do I need to do as far as my shifting style to be able to do this. If you are one of those that can land lift, let me know exactly what you do- be indepth. My best 1/8 mile time was a 9.9 stock with full interior and one bar left on the gas without landing lift. I really want to improve my times so, please help.

[All_MTR_GTS]

all i can say is speed shift, alls that requires is shifting really fast!

[Chiznarles]

Read my post about landing in lift for the first time since I got my car.. i've owned it since nov 1999.

http://newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93367

[RichGT]

maybe you just cant drive? too scared to break something? just dont be scared. and yes, you have to force it in..

[BadTOYO]

Originally posted by RichGT
maybe you just cant drive? too scared to break something? just dont be scared. and yes, you have to force it in..
i disagree. you do not, by any means, have to force it in... i can shift at around 82-8300 rpm into 2nd staying on the fat cam all day long... i guess it only takes coordination and quickness...
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[mirconrice]

Originally posted by BadTOYO
i disagree. you do not, by any means, have to force it in... i can shift at around 82-8300 rpm into 2nd staying on the fat cam all day long... i guess it only takes coordination and a quickness...
R

:werd:

[BadTOYO]

did i say fat cam? :rofl:
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[industrialTOOL]

well i have never landed in lift (mostly because i drive a gt :D) but when i drive my boss's S2000, I can land in VTEC everytime. i imagine the process is similar. just drive it hard til you get close to redline, and then shift. if you cant land it, that just means you cant shift fast enough.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by industrialTOOL
well i have never landed in lift (mostly because i drive a gt :D) but when i drive my boss's S2000, I can land in VTEC everytime. i imagine the process is similar. just drive it hard til you get close to redline, and then shift. if you cant land it, that just means you cant shift fast enough.

Unlike the Celica, the S2000 is geared properly to stay in the powerband.

[iMouseGTS]

very very good coordination, probably need a slight powershift, i did it maybe once or twice ever, but now i can do it all day with a short shifter and the solid engine mount.

[t2000gts]

if you're really getting worked up over this, cheat and slip the clutch a lot. i did it on a test drive a long time ago :chuckles:

[fox2000gt-s]

Originally posted by t2000gts
if you're really getting worked up over this, cheat and slip the clutch a lot. i did it on a test drive a long time ago :chuckles:

I am getting worked up over this. I don't want to have to slip the clutch. If I have to slip it a little, so be it. I just don't want to burn out my clutch in a week.

[gts24]

The biggest issue here is this is like a phobia . Something that just afflicts people on occasion.

When I first aquired my white GT-S , for the life of me I couldn't land lift correctly. However after practicing awhile I realized the following


People "think about" landing lift way to much. This is the best method to practice.

Go out before your car is "warm" and just run through the 1-2 ..... notice you don't "think about" landing anywhere. This is key.

Now once the car is warm, just run through the 1-2. Don't think about anything. Just shift as if you were shifting ANY car. You'll land it all the time.

Now with my black gt-s. Which doesn't have any clutch or tranny mods at all. I can land lift every single time, without issue. I do NOT slam the shifter into second. I just shift normally, As if I'm shifting a car that doesn't have the whole "big cam" thing going on.

I've been able to hit lift for essentially 2 1/2 years all the time every time.

[KrazY-2K]

Wow I never thought of it that way gts24... thanks for the advice :)

Come to think of it, the times I don't try to land lift in my 1-2, I do. But when I'm really thinking about it, I either hit my 1-2 in between the shift gate (between 1/2 and 3/4) or just lend up missing lift altogether, so I can vouch for that a little bit.

[chameleon]

If you look at the gear ratio of the 6 speed Celica and do the math, you will find that it is impossable to land the 1 - 2 shift regardless as to how fast you shift the car. The only way to land the shift is to slip the clutch a little. Every one who says that they just rip the shifter really fast and land lift are actually accidently slipping the clutch without realizing it. Their timing is a little off with the clutch and gas pedal resulting in the needed clutch slip.

This is one of my top 5 most irritating Celica myths that just won't go away. Due to the gearing of the car, IT IS IMPOSSABLE TO LAND THE 1 - 2 SHIFT IN LIFT WITHOUT SLIPPING THE CLUTCH!

[nudge1201]

Originally posted by chameleon
If you look at the gear ratio of the 6 speed Celica and do the math, you will find that it is impossable to land the 1 - 2 shift regardless as to how fast you shift the car. The only way to land the shift is to slip the clutch a little. Every one who says that they just rip the shifter really fast and land lift are actually accidently slipping the clutch without realizing it. Their timing is a little off with the clutch and gas pedal resulting in the needed clutch slip.

This is one of my top 5 most irritating Celica myths that just won't go away. Due to the gearing of the car, IT IS IMPOSSABLE TO LAND THE 1 - 2 SHIFT IN LIFT WITHOUT SLIPPING THE CLUTCH!

Not true, I do it with my clutch fully engaged during the 1-2 shift but my wheels spin like crazy for a second, it's much more than a chirp when I get it right and I land 200-400rmps into lift. I feel better about burning tires than the clutch with still holds strong after 50k+ of hard driving.

[vvtlikick]

Originally posted by chameleon
IT IS IMPOSSABLE TO LAND THE 1 - 2 SHIFT IN LIFT WITHOUT SLIPPING THE CLUTCH! :werd:

[nudge1201]

It can be done with just the tires slipping. I'm not saying that in most case it not a combination of both, but it is possible to land lift without the slipping the clutch.

[coledesign]

it is possible to land lift without slipping the clutch i find that its easier if you hold the shift knob with your palm on top of it. and just pull directly back. if you hold the knob like a gun, as in with your palm on the right side it will pull more towards you and it wont go into 2nd. also dont try to land lift just shift as smoothly and and quick and possible and you will land lift all the time.good luck and it takes practice.

[xxcelicaxx]

i cant land lift at all unless i powershift because i own a 2002
gt-s, damn toyota!!!

[Masayver]

Perhaps some peoples' tachs fall slower than others...?

[BadTOYO]

Originally posted by Masayver
Perhaps some peoples' tachs fall slower than others...?
the tach has nothing to do with landing on the second cam... all GT-S's, as long as they rev to 8400rpm, should be able to do it...
R

[gts24]

The other thing here is people. I was just trying to do it too fast. Slow down .... yes slow down. Just don't freak out about , just shift like you are driving a normal car that doesn't have these "issues" and you'll land it all day every day .

[chameleon]

:mad:

For the last time, it is not possable to land the 1 - 2 shift! The Celica's gear ratio's are...

1st - 3.166
2nd - 2.050
3rd - 1.481
4th - 1.166
5th - 0.916
6th - 0.725
front axle ratio - 4.529.

Do the math, It is simply impossable to hit lift on the 1 - 2 shift, no matter how fast you do it. Even if you could magically perform an instantaneous shift the exact moment before fuel cut, the engine rpm's will not put you in lift. It is impossable because of the gear ratio's that Toyota chose to put in the 6 speed transmition, they should have geared it different. Every person who thinks that they land the 1 - 2 shift because they are super fast and clean with the shifter are actually unintentionally slipping the clutch.

I land the 1 - 2 shift ever single time because I slip the clutch a little. It is the only way to do it.

If you are serious about landing the shift and are dead set against slipping the clutch, you need to get wheels/tires so their overall diameter will be smaller than the stock 205/50-16. Either that or buy some different gears for the transmition.

[TRD Liquid Silver]

i tend to disagree with the whole can't land because of the gear ratio's. just like when people said that no one could run a mile in less than 4 minutes, but it was done (roger banister). my clutch when i shift from 1st to 2nd is completely disengaged and i'll land @6000 to 6100rpms with a normal speedshift. people landing 6400 to 6500rpms that's a little questionable.

[fox2000gt-s]

Thanks for all of your input. I really do appreciate it. If I have to slip the clutch a little, I guess that's what I'm going to have to do.

[wickedpete]

Originally posted by chameleon
:mad:

For the last time, it is not possable to land the 1 - 2 shift! The Celica's gear ratio's are...

1st - 3.166
2nd - 2.050
3rd - 1.481
4th - 1.166
5th - 0.916
6th - 0.725
front axle ratio - 4.529.

Do the math, It is simply impossable to hit lift on the 1 - 2 shift, no matter how fast you do it.

so to hit the 1-2 shift, the celi would have to rev to 9266 RPM
and the 2-3 shift is 8305 RPM
3-4 shift is 7621 RPM
4-5 shift... your going too fast!

is that a correct breakdown math-wise?

[BadTOYO]

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[wickedpete]

Originally posted by BadTOYO
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R

lol, i was just trying to figure out the actual math behind this... let it be i suppose

[Chiznarles]

how do gear ratios work? can someone put down the math for us once and for all to show why we can or can not land in lift?

[Blue Bomber]

Originally posted by chameleon
For the last time, it is not possable to land the 1 - 2 shift! :werd:Originally posted by TRD Liquid Silver
i tend to disagree with the whole can't land because of the gear ratio's. just like when people said that no one could run a mile in less than 4 minutes, but it was done (roger banister). my clutch when i shift from 1st to 2nd is completely disengaged and i'll land @6000 to 6100rpms with a normal speedshift. people landing 6400 to 6500rpms that's a little questionable. :nono:

The only way to do it is to either slip the clutch or spin the wheels. Just because the wheels spin, it doesn't mean you'll feel it or hear it. It just needs to happen for a split second. BTW, I've landed at 7000 with a little clutch slipping. No burnt clutch or anything, but I'm sure repeated use will wear down the clutch much quicker than normal.

As for the whole mile in under 4 minutes, that's completely different. You're talking about different people trying to accomplish a goal. Using people in general in this arguement is completely invalid. Training a car won't improve its performance, or do anything for that matter except cause wear. There is no way to change the outcome of a clean 1-2 shift, no matter how perfect, except to change the gearing itself.