The new Tiburon, looks good, 181HP, 177lb-ft, but 3023lbs.

[djm221]

So much for the hype about how fast that one would be. Motor Trend estimated 0-60 would be 8.0 secs. which I think is a little harsh. It should be a little faster, 6spd too, whoopee! At least it is suppose to have great seats and a great stereo.

[Uncle Ben's White Rice]

Any pics?

[J.C.]

WE JUST FINISHED TESTING THE 2003 TIBURON ABOUT A MONTH AGO... SWAY BARS FOR SURE AND MAYBE SOME SPORT COILS...
TEST CARS WERE AS FOLLOWS: SUBARU WRX, HYUNDAI TIBURON
AND THE ACURA RSX.... OUT OF ALL THREE THE TIBURON TESTED THE BEST BONE STOCK... GO FIGURE... TALKED TO SOME REPS AT HYUNDAI AND THEY TOLD ME OF THE SERIOUS PUSH THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE IN THE IMPORT SCENE THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS..KEEP YOU POSTED...J.C.

[t2000gts]

uh...tested the best in what exactly?

[djm221]

Originally posted by t2000gts
uh...tested the best in what exactly?
I kind of ignored that post. Aside from that all caps annoying ****, I couldn't understand a damn thing he said either.

[Maelfyn]

I don't see the new Tiburon beating an RSX-S or a WRX. Hell I don't even think it will beat the trim models of either. The specs sound like a Mercury Cougar.

[00 scrub]

I'm pretty sure that they tested the three cars in the handling department, after all he does work for Hotchkiss tuning and they seem to specialize in suspension parts.

[JKzzang]

how much is this piece of shiet gonna cost? it probably is going to be another mercury eclipse wannabe cougar just like maelfyn said.

[larryd]

actually for anyone whose seen it in person, its rather attractive looking from the inside and out.. not sure how it handles or the power though..

[Maelfyn]

Call me crazy, but I always liked how the Tiburon looked. If only it had some muscle under there or a beefy trim it would be more appealing.

[QWKsilvr808]

Can someone tell me what the displacement is of this motor? It has to be quite small.

[MCMike37]

Originally posted by QWKsilvr808
Can someone tell me what the displacement is of this motor? It has to be quite small.

From what I can remember the V6 is a 2.5-27 liter, can't remember exactly.

Pricing, the 4 cyl version starts at like 14 or something like that, the base V6 at like 17 I believe, and the sport edition (Same engine, just things like spoiler, sunroof, etc.) is like just under 20K.

As for other points, they have come a long way in the dsign, i like it for the most part. Someone wrote a review somewhere on one of the car baords I frequent, and said the interior is very cheap. If it is anything like the previous Tibs, then the interior is very very cheaply done. Granted it's supposed to have nice seats designed by Recaro I think.

AS for the performance side, I agree with what was said above, it is a new Mercury Cougar. Heavy, has a V6, but a maller V6 that is making about 20hp/30tq less then it should coming in at that weight.

Given that, I would put it in the Cougar class, my guess is mid to upper 15's for a stock car.

[SlasherX]

what mike said..too bloated for that small a power output.

[chameleon]

Yes, but the new tiburon also comes with a 6 speed transmition. I would think that it would put it ahead of the Cougar and place it in direct competition with the GTS IMHO.

[FriedRice]

hm.... what it puts at the wheels probably more important.... se-R has pretty high hp, but then if u think about it, the hp to the wheels are lower. thats why a gt-s should have no problem with an se-R...

im a bit biased against hyundais.. the tib looks nice, but as for perfomance, i wouldnt bet on it.

also wanted to say:
those new hyundai commercials comparing their cars to toyotas are kinda dum IMO. (something about their santa fe vs rav4, and no flames please) come on, no matter how good ur warrantee is, would people be more impressed that u have a toyota or a hyundai? and even if warrantee is shorter on toyta, you wouldnt have to use it.... i think that 10 year warrantee is gonna bite hyundai in the arse.

:runs and hides from flamers:
:runs to walmart to buy flame resistant hazard suit:

[larryd]

the only thing I really dont like about the car is the fact that its a V6.. see V6 cars just kinda get left out of the aftermarket.. there is nothing for most 6cyl besides BMWs.. 4cyl and 8cyl have market.. i think they woulda been better off going for a 4cyl turbo.. that woulda been cool :)

[WillyK]

Originally posted by chameleon
Yes, but the new tiburon also comes with a 6 speed transmition. I would think that it would put it ahead of the Cougar and place it in direct competition with the GTS IMHO.

Just because it is a 6 speed doesn't automatically mean it is competition for the GTS. If a Geo Metro had a 6 speed, would it be competition for the GTS also? :confused:

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by larryd
the only thing I really dont like about the car is the fact that its a V6.. see V6 cars just kinda get left out of the aftermarket.. there is nothing for most 6cyl besides BMWs.. 4cyl and 8cyl have market.. i think they woulda been better off going for a 4cyl turbo.. that woulda been cool :)

dont forget about the pony cars :)


the 6 speed wont be enough to overcome that poor power/weight...to give you an idea that weight is only 40lbs away from mine and has over 50ft lbs less torque and 20 hp less stock for stock...torque moves heavier cars..

[ToyoGT]

Over 3000lbs :eek: Looks pretty good though.

[CelicaDetective]

The Dodge Neon SRT-4 was in the Chicago Sun Times today. 0-60 in 5.9 seconds, under 20K. Racing seats. Looks pretty dang cool, too.

Mike

[J.C.]

First of all let me apologize to the person who the "CAPS" offend..
Now then, the test for those cars were as follows...Slalom, Roadcourse, and general street conditions... now the tiburon did best in the slalom and did fairly well in the other categories... We based it as an overall best....We also did a test that has to do with weight transfer.... We'll drive the car in a straight line at a certain speed and then make an abrupt right or left turn very hard.... maintaining that rate speed.. Tests were done at several rates of speed.. The Tiburon did quite well... We tested a pre-production 2003 V-6 GT..

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by J.C.
First of all let me apologize to the person who the "CAPS" offend..
Now then, the test for those cars were as follows...Slalom, Roadcourse, and general street conditions... now the tiburon did best in the slalom and did fairly well in the other categories... We based it as an overall best....We also did a test that has to do with weight transfer.... We'll drive the car in a straight line at a certain speed and then make an abrupt right or left turn very hard.... maintaining that rate speed.. Tests were done at several rates of speed.. The Tiburon did quite well... We tested a pre-production 2003 V-6 GT..

Nice...you guys do any skidpad testing or drag racing?

also what were the numbers on teh slalom, if you dont mind me asking?

[chameleon]

Originally posted by WillyK


Just because it is a 6 speed doesn't automatically mean it is competition for the GTS. If a Geo Metro had a 6 speed, would it be competition for the GTS also? :confused:

Of course not, that comparison is taken completely out of contex. What people were posting above my post was that the new Tiburon would compare to the mercury Cougar because it had similar weight and power. Then I stated that the new Tiburon has a 6 speed transmition(the cougar is only available with a 5 speed) and that would make it faster than the cougar, and would in fact probably make it compete with the Celica GTS. Lets look at the two in comparison, the Celica makes 180 hp and 130 ft lb of torque, and the new tiburon makes 181 hp and 177 ft lb of torque. With all that extra torque, you are fooling yourself if you think that it won't be able to compete with the Celica.

[djm221]

Originally posted by chameleon

Lets look at the two in comparison, the Celica makes 180 hp and 130 ft lb of torque, and the new tiburon makes 181 hp and 177 ft lb of torque. With all that extra torque, you are fooling yourself if you think that it won't be able to compete with the Celica.
In simple straightline acceleration, it won't even be close. The Tiburon will be high 15's. I don't care how many gears it has, it still weigh quite a bit more than the Celica.

[t2000gts]

it's 500lbs.+ heavier than a celica!

with perfect conditions, and perfect gearing (let's hope that 6-speed is good), with a 3000lb curb weight, and that much power, it could probably trap 91-92mph stock and hit low 15s if driven the hell out of.

BTW, C&D tested the Pontiac Vibe GT (heavier than the Toyota Matrix XRS) to run 15.7 @ 91, that's a celica with 200-300lbs. extra weight. that's the kind of time a tiburon would and i doubt it was launched as well as a 2ZZ-GE engine-d car is capable of (i.e, 5000rpm). the tiburon would launch more normally. so it might end up even being slower than a Matrix with both having bolt-ons. the matrix/vibe would pick up just as much power from I/E as the GTS (enough to trap at least mid-90s).

but it looks like it will handle quite well from what i read. that's good to know, so straight line speed isn't the end all of a car's performance capability. but it'd still be hardpressed to take out a GTS on a road course. the GTS slalomed higher than the RSX-S as well if i remember right (off Edmunds)

[Stories]

The Celica GT-S slaloms about 3.5MPH better than the RSX-S and about 4.5MPH more than the Eclipse GT does... According to Motor Trend. Apparently, only Toyota is interested in making all-around high-performance sport coupes anymore... why make these cars? Why not just buy a Solara (5-Speed) or Accord Coupe (Auto only... dangit)? They will probably serve just as well with smoother rides and comprable handling (in the case of the Eclipse that is)

[MCMike37]

Just for clarifying remarks on the above...

The Eclipse GT is not a handling car out of the box, but with springs, and a better sway bar in the rear, it will be right in line with a stock GT-S (Read, I stock GT-S)

Also on the Tib remarks coparing it to a Cougar and all. One more gear is not going to make it that much quicker unless it is really designed to only run 1/4 mile times. I mean, look at the 3G GT. It has 20 more hp and roughly 50 more tq. It has a 5 speed and will run as fast as a GT-S. By the above arguements on gearing, with a 6 speed the 3G GT should be capable of low 14's. But it wouldn;t be able to because of the weight differential...

[scapamouche]

I thought the 3G eclipse only had 200 or 205 ft lbs to go with the 205 hp.

[WillyK]

Originally posted by chameleon

Then I stated that the new Tiburon has a 6 speed transmition(the cougar is only available with a 5 speed) and that would make it faster than the cougar,

I don't think the number of gears makes a car faster does it? The Type R is faster than a GTS and it only has 5. Granted it has more horsepower but I wouldn't think the number of gears are going to make a difference.

[dragonfrog]

imo, it looks like the 6th gen celicas. i don't think that we'll have more competition with the tiburons show wise but not performance.

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unfortunately, i don't have a doubt that hyundai's going to push itself into the show scene considering they even had a santa fe decked out at SEMA. but that suits me just fine. more people and cars to blow away at the scene. :bang:

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[2002SpectraBlueGT]

Won't a GT 5spd run about 15s @ 90mph and do 0-60 in about 8 sec? My buddy has got his heart set on the '03 Tiburon. In Canada the low-end Tib starts at $19k, the top-end runs about $26k (I think). You can't even get a Celica GT for $26k here. The power/price is appealing but I agree that it has some styling cues from the older Celica's. My other buddy has a '97 Tiburon but it's pretty $#!^. I'm worried now that I'm gonna get smoked at every stoplight. But if I'm right about the GT 5spd's times, maybe I might be able to keep up (or come close) to the 181hp Tiburon.

Someone correct me if I'm gonna get smoked!:AF:

[chameleon]

Originally posted by t2000gts
it's 500lbs.+ heavier than a celica!

with perfect conditions, and perfect gearing (let's hope that 6-speed is good), with a 3000lb curb weight, and that much power, it could probably trap 91-92mph stock and hit low 15s if driven the hell out of.

BTW, C&D tested the Pontiac Vibe GT (heavier than the Toyota Matrix XRS) to run 15.7 @ 91, that's a celica with 200-300lbs. extra weight. that's the kind of time a tiburon would and i doubt it was launched as well as a 2ZZ-GE engine-d car is capable of (i.e, 5000rpm). the tiburon would launch more normally. so it might end up even being slower than a Matrix with both having bolt-ons. the matrix/vibe would pick up just as much power from I/E as the GTS (enough to trap at least mid-90s).

I agree, t2000gts. With it's weight, hp and torque rating, and if it is geared for acceleration(which it probably is, most 6 speeds have wilder gears and a double over drive to make up for it so the car will be more drivable. Thats what I meant the whole time you guys, not that it will be faster just because it has an extra gear to go into, but because six speeds usually have pretty wild gearing) I think that it will be capable of hitting low 15's in the 1/4 mile. How does that not make it compete with the Celica GTS? The best 1/4 mile time that I have ever seen a magazine report for a GTS is a 14.9. Car and Driver, the publisher that you are quoting times from, reports that the Celica GTS six speed manual runs a 1/4 mile time of 16 seconds flat. The Celica is a tough car to drive effectively, and I wouldn't be surprised if I saw a new Tiburon take out a Celica GTS in a street race. I'm not saying that the new Tiburon will be faster, I'm just saying that it will compete.

It's really kind of silly to be debating about this at this point. You guys may very well be right about the new Tiburon, for all we know it may be slower than a stock Civic si. We will just have to wait and see what happens with it once people start buying them...

[MCMike37]

Originally posted by scapamouche
I thought the 3G eclipse only had 200 or 205 ft lbs to go with the 205 hp.

They do, I meant they have that much more then the GT-S, not the Tib.

[scapamouche]

Gotcha. My bad.

[gsx0r]

its still a Hyundai..

[MoogieBoogie]

Your car is just a Toyota.. big whoop.

[Boost300zx]

Just toss a couple engines, a couple of turbos, a couple of transmissions, and some methanol, like the tiburon in Sport Compact Mag and you guys wont have to worry about anything on the road. :)

That thing is crazy

[scapamouche]

Until you need to turn. It sounds like that thing was worse than my old Nova SS for handling.

[SlasherX]

Originally posted by scapamouche
Until you need to turn. It sounds like that thing was worse than my old Nova SS for handling.

so you've worked on car suspensions and geometry before and can automatically deduce a cars rolling center, camber curve, and other various attributes by a picture of the car on a celica forum.

damn you need to be hired by these car companies, obvioulsy their years of training in physics, and suspension design has been for naught.

stop making assumptions, from everything indicated the car will handle quite well.

hate rumor starters.

[GINYU-GTS]

just read the latest 'automobile' mag....it has a first drive with the new tib...and at the end it mentioned the celica gts...they mention something like the gts will leave it without so much as a warm hug after the lights turn green or something like that....basically saying gts faster tib slower!! =)

GTS-6

[djm221]

Originally posted by GINYU-GTS
just read the latest 'automobile' mag....it has a first drive with the new tib...and at the end it mentioned the celica gts...they mention something like the gts will leave it without so much as a warm hug after the lights turn green or something like that....basically saying gts faster tib slower!! =)

GTS-6
OMG, you mean a magazine realized the Celica existed? Automobile ignored them in their little "shootout" the other month, and failed to mentioned it as a comptetitor in the Focus SVT article (RSX-S was in there).

[t2000gts]

Originally posted by chameleon


I agree, t2000gts. With it's weight, hp and torque rating, and if it is geared for acceleration(which it probably is, most 6 speeds have wilder gears and a double over drive to make up for it so the car will be more drivable. Thats what I meant the whole time you guys, not that it will be faster just because it has an extra gear to go into, but because six speeds usually have pretty wild gearing) I think that it will be capable of hitting low 15's in the 1/4 mile. How does that not make it compete with the Celica GTS? The best 1/4 mile time that I have ever seen a magazine report for a GTS is a 14.9. Car and Driver, the publisher that you are quoting times from, reports that the Celica GTS six speed manual runs a 1/4 mile time of 16 seconds flat. The Celica is a tough car to drive effectively, and I wouldn't be surprised if I saw a new Tiburon take out a Celica GTS in a street race. I'm not saying that the new Tiburon will be faster, I'm just saying that it will compete.

It's really kind of silly to be debating about this at this point. You guys may very well be right about the new Tiburon, for all we know it may be slower than a stock Civic si. We will just have to wait and see what happens with it once people start buying them...

actually they got 15.7 @ 92 i think out of the GTS. i know they got 15.7 for the ET. same exact time they got for the Vibe GT. what's that tell you about a Matrix XRS (slightly lighter than the Vibe GT) with a great driver at the wheel? definitely a bit faster than 15.7 @ 91.

and when i say low 15s driven the hell out of, i mean with some removed weight, and driven absolutely perfectly. a GTS in the same conditions will run 14.7-14.8 with a trap speed 2-3mph faster then the tiburon...meaning it'll be a few lengths ahead by the quarter, and be pulling hard by the time they cross the finish line.

basically, the tiburon i think will be like a '00 Si Coupe (160hp VTEC) as far as 0-60 and quartermile go. or almost as fast as the Si for the quartermile. if the tiburon's anywhere near the GTS by the time 60mph rolls around, they won't be hanging around to see fourth gear.

[djm221]

Automobile and C&D had alittle write-up this month, and both said it understeers horribly, and the gears ratios are "criminally" wide. And the US version will gte softer suspension than what they tested. So, saying it's still a Hyundai sums it up; it's improving, but has a way to go.

[Uncle Ben's White Rice]

Originally posted by dragonfrog
imo, it looks like the 6th gen celicas. i don't think that we'll have more competition with the tiburons show wise but not performance.

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unfortunately, i don't have a doubt that hyundai's going to push itself into the show scene considering they even had a santa fe decked out at SEMA. but that suits me just fine. more people and cars to blow away at the scene. :bang:

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All this BS for that!!!:puke: