Landing in LIFT from 1st to 2nd. [Archive]

chillzz

08-26-2003, 09:05 AM

If you have a 200-2001 GT-S your rev limiter is at 8400 RPM. If you shift right before your limiter hits, you will get into lift. People make it out to be some crazy technique. Thats it, use great tranny fluid to keep it flowin smoothly, grease your shift linkage every few weeks, and shift fast @8400 RPM. You will land in lift. You guys with an 02+ celi i dont know what to tell ya tho

Phil C

08-26-2003, 09:35 AM

1st gear is 3.166 and 2nd gear is 2.05. vvtlikick has it right, in order to land 2nd at 6000 RPMs without one of those three things you'd have to take 1st to 9266RPMs.

GT'02

08-26-2003, 02:33 PM

i can land in lift alot now, i just shift the bitch fast, maybe it slips maybe it doesnt, all i know is that a fast shift will drop you right in there just about everytime.

RevHappyGTS

08-26-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Phil C
1st gear is 3.166 and 2nd gear is 2.05. vvtlikick has it right, in order to land 2nd at 6000 RPMs without one of those three things you'd have to take 1st to 9266RPMs.

Hold up there. There are many people on this board that can land lift on the 1-2, I can't believe how many times this has been discussed, its super EASY and yes its very possible. I took XfactorSupraT95 on this board for a ride in my GT-S to show him how to land lift, and he was amazed by how high I can land on my 1-2 shift, and to prove to him it wasn't a fluke I did it 5 times with just a quick shift to prove it. He was impressed enough to make a thread about it in the racing section about a month ago, do a search and you'll find it.

You guys who can't land it must be granny shifters or something. Some kinda arthritis maybe?;) In my GT-S If I do a quick "normal" shift I will land at 6000 like childplay. If I do one of my "racing" fast shifts, I land about 6200-6400. I NEVER Slip my clutch intetionally, but it might slip a little when you shift fast enough, and my car hardly has any wheelspin during the 1-2 shift. My car currently has about 12,422 miles, tires are still great and my clutch is like new.

Micronrice, Illusive, 7thsign, VividGTS, DanGTS to name a few, most even have videos showing how to land the 1-2 shift super easy, I don't know why so many people cannot?

Here is a couple videos, these are my newest launch videos and 1-2 shift.

RevhappyGTS launch and 1-2 shift (http://home.att.net/~revhappygts/launch2.WMV)

RevhappyGTS launch and 1-2 shift part 2 (http://home.att.net/~revhappygts/Launch1.WMV)

vvtlikick

08-26-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by RevHappyGTS
Hold up there. There are many people on this board that can land lift on the 1-2, I can't believe how many times this has been discussed, its super EASY and yes its very possible....You're right. It's super easy to land in lift by SLIPPING THE CLUTCH (intentional or not). :)

No matter how fast they shift, noone can escape this fact.

*GTSpeed*

08-27-2003, 09:45 AM

Wow....thanks for all the help with this.

My main problem is that I am not able to get it into gear when I try to do this. I can remember two times that I have landed in lift with my car from 1 - 2 and was sucessful. Other than that, I hit this invisible wall of shiet that won't let me in or it grinds and won't let me.

Obviously from the video it can be done. This makes me think two things about my car. The sychros are bad or I suck. I don't like to think I suck, but I'm beginning to think so.

I have no choice but to go out and try till my tranny breaks. (It already is... grinding in third, but still under warranty...barely). I can only imagine how fast it would be if it were to stay in lift the entire time. My GF would be scared....uhh...I mean impressed.

Oh and can you hear him slipping the clutch in the video? I don't believe that I could.

chillzz

08-27-2003, 10:07 AM

no but you can hear him hitting the rev limiter

*GTSpeed*

08-27-2003, 11:17 AM

Ok...so I went out and tried it and I seriously do not know what I am doing wrong. I am shifting as fast as I can and even when I do, I'm landing consistantly at 5800...at best 5900 and then it goes back in to lift fairly quick. I have no idea what you guys are doing differently than I am.

Da Mac

08-27-2003, 12:17 PM

landing lift via slipping clutch is prolly the hottest way to land lift IMO You can chirp the tires as well if all done properly. cool feeling

GT'02

08-27-2003, 03:41 PM

:chuckles:

celicalover

08-27-2003, 11:04 PM

sometimes it seems the harder i shift the farther i fall in rpms from 1st to 2nd gear. ive probably landed lift also about 2 times accidently, its a good feeling makes your car feel to fast and good.

*GTSpeed*

08-27-2003, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by celicalover
sometimes it seems the harder i shift the farther i fall in rpms from 1st to 2nd gear. ive probably landed lift also about 2 times accidently, its a good feeling makes your car feel to fast and good.

:werd: I tried... honestly I tried...I just can't do it. 5900 is my best today. I guess i just can't. I need a mentor.

chameleon

08-28-2003, 06:03 AM

GTSpeed, the gearing of the Celica does not allow you to land in lift on the 1 - 2 shift, it is impossable to do without slipping the clutch. All you need to do is slip the clutch when you shift, and you will land in lift every time. ;)

*GTSpeed*

08-28-2003, 05:37 PM

HELL YEAH!!!... I got it last night.

Everyone told me to "slip the clutch" but I didn't truly understand what it meant. The entire time I was going against what everyone was saying about slipping it and trying to shift as fast as possible to catch the RPMs higher. (Now I feel like a bad student... :-( ).

So last night I went out one more time and tried again thinking of how you guys might incorporate slipping the clutch. I suppose for some the term is self explanitory, but for others, like myself, I needed someone to put it in "other terms".

SO for those of you still wondering how to do it, don't try to shift fast necessarily, it's more of a technique of not fully releasing the cluth AFTER you've shifted to second. In other words:

1. Rev to just before redline.
2. Release gas and depress clutch.
3. Shift
4. Resume gas and HALF way release clutch.
5. Fully release clutch when you land in lift.

During the 4th step their seems to be a point that the clutch will allow the engine to stay in lift and not get pulled or bogged out of it and remain at a higher RPM (LIFT); A place the ratio's of the gears won't permit on a regular "quick shift".

That is the best I can explain it in simplified terms. I'm just happy I can do it now. Accelerating is so much faster now that I don't have to wait through falling out of lift and having to re-enter. Hope this helps for anyone that still can't do it. THANKS for everyone that gave any advice.

Aracheon

08-28-2003, 07:11 PM

I still can't do it. :gap:

*GTSpeed*

08-29-2003, 12:33 AM

Did you try it again Aracheon? You will kinda come upon it by accident and then you will get the hang of it eventually. You kinda of have to disipline yourself not to fully let out the clutch and lay off it so that the engine can keep up. Keep trying it and try to work it out in your head. Shiet, if I can do it, you can too.

Aracheon

08-29-2003, 08:18 AM

I'm gonna try it again and again until I get it right. I have a hard time with the stock shifter, though. That fvcking thing is WAY too tall...

Da Mac

08-29-2003, 09:20 AM

:headbang: Lift is good

yuloose

08-29-2003, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by *GTSpeed*
HELL YEAH!!!... I got it last night.

1. Rev to just before redline.
2. Release gas and depress clutch.
3. Shift
4. Resume gas and HALF way release clutch.
5. Fully release clutch when you land in lift.

During the 4th step their seems to be a point that the clutch will allow the engine to stay in lift and not get pulled or bogged out of it and remain at a higher RPM (LIFT); A place the ratio's of the gears won't permit on a regular "quick shift".

That is the best I can explain it in simplified terms. I'm just happy I can do it now. Accelerating is so much faster now that I don't have to wait through falling out of lift and having to re-enter. Hope this helps for anyone that still can't do it. THANKS for everyone that gave any advice.

good advice, when i was a fresh newb here, i thought it was impossible to land the 1-2. Then i started trying, i would shift as fast as i could, but still no dice. Then i came upon the method aforementioned, and can land it almost 8-9 out 10 times. thats with stock shifter. I got my b&m this week, and its much easier.

if you want a ss for a good price check out: http://www.suprastore.com/bmcelgtshors.html

i hope i can post that url w/o gettin in trouble.

hope that helps, and once again, good advice GTSpeed

*GTSpeed*

08-30-2003, 05:51 AM

Hey...thank you. I appreciate it. When I need help, everyone is very forthcoming with advice and help and when I get a chance to give back, I try my best.

Originally posted by Aracheon
I'm gonna try it again and again until I get it right. I have a hard time with the stock shifter, though. That fvcking thing is WAY too tall...

Ah, see, it really has nothing to do with a tall shifter. It is the crucial step of realeasing the clutch halfway or even less than that that is the key. Shifting fast is not that important when trying to execute this technique. Focus on MAKING yourself release the clutch in a delayed manner while you are full on the gas after the shift. Keep trying it over and over. You will get it. I'm sure of it.:)

Radi0active Man

08-30-2003, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by *GTSpeed*
HELL YEAH!!!... I got it last night.

Everyone told me to "slip the clutch" but I didn't truly understand what it meant. The entire time I was going against what everyone was saying about slipping it and trying to shift as fast as possible to catch the RPMs higher. (Now I feel like a bad student... :-( ).

So last night I went out one more time and tried again thinking of how you guys might incorporate slipping the clutch. I suppose for some the term is self explanitory, but for others, like myself, I needed someone to put it in "other terms".

SO for those of you still wondering how to do it, don't try to shift fast necessarily, it's more of a technique of not fully releasing the cluth AFTER you've shifted to second. In other words:

1. Rev to just before redline.
2. Release gas and depress clutch.
3. Shift
4. Resume gas and HALF way release clutch.
5. Fully release clutch when you land in lift.

During the 4th step their seems to be a point that the clutch will allow the engine to stay in lift and not get pulled or bogged out of it and remain at a higher RPM (LIFT); A place the ratio's of the gears won't permit on a regular "quick shift".

That is the best I can explain it in simplified terms. I'm just happy I can do it now. Accelerating is so much faster now that I don't have to wait through falling out of lift and having to re-enter. Hope this helps for anyone that still can't do it. THANKS for everyone that gave any advice.

Wow, that's the best explanation I've seen. You should get that stickied somewhere so this question doesn't keep poppin up every other week... ;)

Aracheon

08-30-2003, 08:37 AM

:stupid: It's a very good explanation. In fact, I've got it printed out and sitting on my bed, ready to study and practice when it dries up a little outside.

:bowdown: GTSpeed

GTS_Ed

08-31-2003, 10:49 AM

Damn im gonna go try right now

VIVID GTS

09-07-2003, 12:27 AM

I totally agree with revhappy gts its easy to land lift from 1-2 WITH OUT slipping the clutch at ALL just shift quick thats all

*GTSpeed*

09-07-2003, 03:16 PM

Do you have some video possibly. That would help as a visual aid... I just got my new tranny and I am pretty sure it is impossible. But if it isn't I would love to see it and learn.

Plus here is a question. Is it necessary to slip the clutch in other gears? It would seem that maybe if you did it in third that you would land higher in lift and complete the gear faster. But what do I know?!?!?!

vvtlikick

09-07-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by *GTSpeed*
...
Plus here is a question. Is it necessary to slip the clutch in other gears? It would seem that maybe if you did it in third that you would land higher in lift and complete the gear faster. But what do I know?!?!?! It's technically possible to land lift on the 2-3 upshift without slipping the clutch, but there's not alot of room for error. The higher upshifts (3-4, 4-5, 5-6) should be easy, regardless of technique.

I think it's a waste of time to slip the clutch via the clutch pedal on upshifts. I achieved my best times at the drag strip using an aggressive and QUICK clutch pedal release.

Phil C

09-07-2003, 05:53 PM

You can do the math yourself pretty easily...

1st...3.166
2nd...2.050
3rd...1.481
4th...1.166
5th...0.916
6th...0.725

So...the math is simple...if you want to land at 6000 RPMs you must have the engine at: ((Low Gear)/(High Gear))*6000

9266 for the 1st-2nd shift (Impossible)
8305 for the 2nd-3rd shift (Maybe possible)
7620 for the 3rd-4th shift (No problem)
7638 for the 4th-5th shift
and 7580 for the 5th-6th shift

This assumes that there is no slip anywhere in the drivetrain. There is still a lot of question over whether it is faster to shift fast and drop out of lift on the 1-->2 or if it is faster to slip the clutch (or perform the magic many seem to believe in) and land in lift. I'll keep my personal opinion about which is better to do to go fast out of it since most on the board seem to disagree (I'd imagine most haven't seen a bill for a new clutch on this car).

VIVID GTS

09-08-2003, 10:12 PM

DAMN I will bet anyone on here a 1000 dollars I can land lift without the clutch slippin in any gear I chip the **** out of the tire and if you slip the clutch in any gear and land lift higher you wont be faster becasue your arnt going as fast as you would if you just shifted real fast trust me I will try to make a video and post its SUPA easy everyone over that has a gts can land lift withOUT slipping the clutch oh yeah my boy with an 02 gts with the 7800 rev limiter can land lift in 3rd withOUT slippin the clutch and I can do the same when I drive his car

Phil C

09-09-2003, 06:06 AM

Abra-cadabra...

If you are landing in lift on the 1-2 you ARE slipping somewhere in the drivetrain, probably the clutch. If it is your tires spinning that much for gods sake get some better rubber.

If you are landing a 7800 RPM limiter car in lift on the 2-3 you ARE slipping somewhere in the drivetrain, again probably the clutch.

You don't have to let the clutch pedal out only half way to slip the clutch...you can slip it just fine by revving the engine just as you let the clutch out fast, especially if you've slipped it a lot in the past and your flywheel and pressure plate are glazed.

JaxCD

09-09-2003, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Aracheon
:stupid: It's a very good explanation. In fact, I've got it printed out and sitting on my bed, ready to study and practice when it dries up a little outside.

:bowdown: GTSpeed

:werd: x 10000

Originally posted by vvtlikick
It's technically possible to land lift on the 2-3 upshift without slipping the clutch, but there's not alot of room for error. The higher upshifts (3-4, 4-5, 5-6) should be easy, regardless of technique.

I think it's a waste of time to slip the clutch via the clutch pedal on upshifts. I achieved my best times at the drag strip using an aggressive and QUICK clutch pedal release.

yeah i would not slip the clutch 2-3, and 3-4, etc....

but i will try it today!

wait.. i have a GT.... oh well i will try to land higher than 5k:)
see my thread in racing forum

:gap:

JaxCD

09-09-2003, 07:51 AM

btw
slipping the clutch while shifting...

is it kinda like power shifting? i mean in powershifting u do not let go off gas while shift...
but it is kinda same idea since in both u have clutch and gas depressed at the same time during the shift

so slipping the clutch while shifting or powershifting is kinda the same to me... am i wrong?

cool2miketlu

09-09-2003, 12:09 PM

Some mods to consider to land in lift:
Engine Mount mod (look in forsale section for engine mount where he fills it into a solid engine mount, or do it yourself by buying the urethane mix)
Engine torque brace.
Short shifter.
With the above mods it feels more solid going from 1 -> 2, so easier to shift quicker.

Things do not get:
Lightened pullies: Your rotation inertia will decrease because of lighten weight thus rpm drop faster harder to land in lift. It is still possible to land in lift just that you have to keep your foot on gas to keep rpm up in lift range.

Aracheon

09-09-2003, 06:55 PM

I think I just need to be riding in the car while someone is doing it...

*GTSpeed*

09-11-2003, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Aracheon
I think I just need to be riding in the car while someone is doing it...

I'm gonna act like a teacher that is sitting right next to you but is blind shooting in the dark trying to help you.

If you doing anything like what I was doing, stop and disipline yourself. STOP releasing the clutch so fast. Remember when you were first taught to drive stick. For most of us, you would stall cz you would release the clutch to fast at the start without enough gas. THIS IS THE SAME THING. Landing in lift is stalling and meshing it correctly will land you in lift.

Floor that bitch after you shift (this is all quick....don't try to slow the steps down in the actual process) and then *release the clutch.

*Remember, just like when you were learing to launch the car and mesh gas and clutch for the first time, you need to do it the same when you reengage in second. Find that edge when you are still in lift when the clutch will either not engage or fully engage. Once you have that point, find the area where the clutch can slip just a bit and the engine can regain its footing while *slightly* engaged. "Slipping the clutch" in this manner will allow it to...well you know....stay in lift.

I know you can do this and once you do it's fun to try. BUT like Phil C said...this will mess your clutch up if you do it a lot. I just like knowing how to do it just in case I get in a situation against someone with maybe the same engine as me and I need the skill edge to get him:burnout: ;)

exotic performance

09-11-2003, 05:19 PM

the easiest way to land lift is to go all the way to the revv limiter and as soon as you feel it kick in shift.. now if your racing you dont want to do that.. just remember how far you can go before you revv limiter kicks in the shift right before it and you should land lift.

FloWin_Celica

09-12-2003, 07:31 AM

@exotic & vivid
sure u can land lift-if u don't miss 2nd all the time j/k;) :gap:

00silverGTS6spd

09-12-2003, 01:24 PM

gtsspeed that invisible thing you are hittin I believe is the reverse gate. I can't belive how many GT-S drivers here cant hit lift on the 1-2. I'm also with vivid on this one cause I never slip the clutch on the 1-2 shift and I always land in lift. All stock and I got a 9.617 @ 75mph yesterday. If any of you that cant hit lift need help and are in so cal pm we can hook up somtime!!!