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Old 02-26-2005, 06:36 AM   #1
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tc 2.4 in a celica

I know, I know. probably to much money. but i like the thought of sticking this newly revised camry engine in my 2001 celica. 160hp/160tq stock at the fly. especially after reading last months Modified mag. 550hp tc. yes, i dream. anyone else think about it?


p.s. I've been reading up in these threads for months. first post though. I thank all you guys in this forum and the turbo forum for for continuely pushing are celi's.

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First off, welcome to the boards!

As far as swapping the tc's 2.4 in place of the celi's 1.8.... it's possible, but it takes someone with very deep pockets to do it first and figure out all the finer details. I'm sure custom motor mounts would be needed, maybe custom axles.... naturally a custom intake and exhaust manifold. Yeah, like I said: very deep pockets.
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Anything is possible with enough money. I saw somebody make an integra into a mid-engine, h22a swap.
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Old 02-26-2005, 03:51 PM   #4
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You'd also need to take weight into consideration. If the engine weighs too much over the 1ZZ/2ZZ, you're in for some pretty poor handling.
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If I were going to put in a different engine i would shoehorn a new avelon engine in with 260 hp. Dont know if it would fit and it wouldnt turn for **** but it would be bad ass.
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Old 02-26-2005, 06:39 PM   #6
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yeah, it would be a tight fit. If i had that kind of money, i'd go with the 3sgte. I just read some record breaking news. 808whp@7000 and 630tq with 32psi. for the 3sgte
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Old 02-26-2005, 08:13 PM   #7
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Hmmmmm Not sure how you would fit that tranny in... maybe cut into the firewall and stuff???
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Hmmmmm Not sure how you would fit that tranny in... maybe cut into the firewall and stuff???
The TC's 2.4 is a fwd transaxle

It should fit just like the 1zz
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The TC's 2.4 is a fwd transaxle

It should fit just like the 1zz
Or the 2zz for that matter....
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Old 02-27-2005, 01:25 PM   #10
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it would e hard to find a used TC engine anyway, and it wont "fit" like a 1zz orr 2zz for that matter
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Old 02-27-2005, 02:16 PM   #11
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The TC's 2.4 is a fwd transaxle

It should fit just like the 1zz
All depends on how big the engine and tranny are compared to the Celica's. It does have 25% more displacement.
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it would e hard to find a used TC engine anyway, and it wont "fit" like a 1zz orr 2zz for that matter
tC engine = Camry engine. A dime a dozen.
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Old 02-27-2005, 06:01 PM   #12
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is their aftermarket support for that engine? the 2az or whatever it is. I think the 2.4 that was outta the camry was rated for alittle less power. i think, like 145
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i mean before the TC was their aftermarket support?
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Old 02-27-2005, 10:06 PM   #14
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ok get your flamethrowers out.....

what about an SRT-4 engine? *ducks*
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Old 02-27-2005, 10:12 PM   #15
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ok get your flamethrowers out.....

what about an SRT-4 engine? *ducks*
what are you ****in craxy OMG RICE HOLY CRAP DUDE! I HATE SRT4's SRT4's BLOW What are you thinking, Tat would be like sticking Richard simmon's head on vin diesels body. GODDDDD YOUR CELICAS YELLOW!

just kidding man, someone had to do it. Actually the only reason i wouldnt think of putting an srt4 engine in is because other than c2 shiznit nothing not made from the land of the rising sun goes into my car.
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Old 02-27-2005, 10:14 PM   #16
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i have respect for higher-posted members but wtf. hahaha

how about that new ecotec from the cobalt? please, ban me now.
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Old 02-27-2005, 10:16 PM   #17
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hey carbon, hows your setup now? kinks worked out?
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The v-6 fits in the spyder.
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ok get your flamethrowers out.....

what about an SRT-4 engine? *ducks*
If I were to ever do an engine swap I would seriously consider an SRT4 engine.
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The v-6 fits in the spyder.


yeah it does. i wish i could say the same about celicas
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If I were to ever do an engine swap I would seriously consider an SRT4 engine.
theirs somthing about puting a domestic motor in an import that makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. ive been on some 240sx forums and there are some ppl toying with the idea of dropping a small block chevy in their 240s. power in a strait line isnt that important to me. id rather crack a rib in a corner. now thats intense g's.
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Old 02-28-2005, 07:28 AM   #22
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yeah, it would be a tight fit. If i had that kind of money, i'd go with the 3sgte. I just read some record breaking news. 808whp@7000 and 630tq with 32psi. for the 3sgte
do you know how much fvcking money it costs to make a 3S-GTE do that? I just spent 6800.00 bucks for my 3S-GTE motor going into my All-Trac...and im shooting for 500 WHP... then you need to figure in 1500 for a Stand Alone to run it....then a few hundred more for sensors and gauges.....oh then all the custom manifolds....oh what else is there....oh yeah installing the heavy *******!!!...

You 3S-GTE finatics crack me up....MWR now has blocks ready to be built...spend about 4000 bucks and have one bad ass 2ZZ running 400 WHP...
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theirs somthing about puting a domestic motor in an import that makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. ive been on some 240sx forums and there are some ppl toying with the idea of dropping a small block chevy in their 240s. power in a strait line isnt that important to me. id rather crack a rib in a corner. now thats intense g's.
Well... it's been common practice in these parts ( i.e. the south ) to put 350 small blocks in almost anything with more than 2 wheels... Friend of mine has a 350 in his 3rd gen RX-7, and that thing is a monster. But I agree with nedearb, rather keep the domestics domestic, and imports import.
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how about a v-6 in the trunk/back seat area? talking with deep pockets of course(really deep). i heard of a crx with that set up
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Actually the only reason i wouldnt think of putting an srt4 engine in is because other than c2 shiznit nothing not made from the land of the rising sun goes into my car.
How is c2 sh|t from "the land of the rising sun?"

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If I were to ever do an engine swap I would seriously consider an SRT4 engine.
Dooooo ittt!

Seriously, who cares? Modern "Domestics" and "Imports" are BOTH IMPORTED!! It doesn't matter!
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Old 02-28-2005, 09:18 AM   #26
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do you know how much fvcking money it costs to make a 3S-GTE do that? I just spent 6800.00 bucks for my 3S-GTE motor going into my All-Trac...and im shooting for 500 WHP... then you need to figure in 1500 for a Stand Alone to run it....then a few hundred more for sensors and gauges.....oh then all the custom manifolds....oh what else is there....oh yeah installing the heavy *******!!!...

You 3S-GTE finatics crack me up....MWR now has blocks ready to be built...spend about 4000 bucks and have one bad ass 2ZZ running 400 WHP...


I never said it would be cheap and/or easy :crazy2: I just said that about the 3sgte because i was suprised they squeazed that much hp out of it. they bored it out to a 2.4 though. thats badazz
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Anything is possible with enough money. I saw somebody make an integra into a mid-engine, h22a swap.
the guy did all the work himself so he saved $$$ money on install.. here' s the link h22a mid-engine rear wheel conversion
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The v-6 fits in the spyder.
You think it'd fit the celica too? I've gotten to drive a couple v6 camrys on loan from the dealership, I sort of like them, lots more torque.

It has crossed my mind before...
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You 3S-GTE finatics crack me up....MWR now has blocks ready to be built...spend about 4000 bucks and have one bad ass 2ZZ running 400 WHP...
Exactly!!! They would spend $10000 to get the motor in there and another $5000+ to get it running fast enought o be worth it! That is like 15000+!!! Like smaay said, MWR has everything you need to make a 400whp+ 2ZZ....the same goes for the TC engine. You are talking big bucks just to get in in there and for what 160 hp? Then you have to drop thousands more to to get it to where you want it. Do you have any idea how much money they spent to get that TC to that hp level?
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what bout a HEMI seems like there sticking that engine in everything.. so why not a celica..
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ok get your flamethrowers out.....

what about an SRT-4 engine? *ducks*
I think he was joking
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I thought I had the weight of the Scion motor posted in this Spyderchat thread but apparently not. Good info anyways...

""The Z-gen engine for Toyota's mid-size cars and vehicles is the all-new type-2AZ-FE, making its first appearance in the second-generation Estima minivan (the first-generation Estima was the Previa). The 2.4-L 2AZ will power the next-generation Camry replacement as the base engine and other future mid-size vehicles. The 2AZ-FE incorporates many features of Toyota's dual-overhead-camshaft, four-valves-per-cylinder engines, including the slant-squish combustion chamber, offset cylinder and crank centers, and the VVT-i continuously variable intake valve timing system. The aluminum engine measures 626-mm (25-in) long, 608-mm (24-in) wide, and 681-mm (27-in) tall."

http://www.sae.org/automag/techbriefs_07-00/05.htm

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i wonder how much it would cost[QUOTE]Originally posted by chrisngrod
[B] I thought I had the weight of the Scion motor posted in this Spyderchat thread but apparently not. Good info anyways...

""The Z-gen engine for Toyota's mid-size cars and vehicles is the all-new type-2AZ-FE, making its first appearance in the second-generation Estima minivan (the first-generation Estima was the Previa). The 2.4-L 2AZ will power the next-generation Camry replacement as the base engine and other future mid-size vehicles. The 2AZ-FE incorporates many features of Toyota's dual-overhead-camshaft, four-valves-per-cylinder engines, including the slant-squish combustion chamber, offset cylinder and crank centers, and the VVT-i continuously variable intake valve timing system. The aluminum engine measures 626-mm (25-in) long, 608-mm (24-in) wide, and 681-mm (27-in) tall."

http://www.sae.org/automag/techbriefs_07-00/05.htm

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Depends on how much fabrication it takes.

Bank on 3-5k for the hard parts and about 3-5 k for labor if axles have to be custom. We know the exhaust, shifter cables and intake would have to be....
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The v-6 fits in the spyder.
Someone fit a V8 in a MR2 (not spyder but similar size engine compartment), now that is crazy...
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My wife's car is a taurus SHO with the Yamaha 4 cam v-8. I just need to figure out how to get it totaled from the rear. LOL.
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My wife's car is a taurus SHO with the Yamaha 4 cam v-8. I just need to figure out how to get it totaled from the rear. LOL.

ha! thats funny. are those the motors designed from 2 4cl bike motors? dont they rev to like 12 grand?
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If I were to ever do an engine swap I would seriously consider an SRT4 engine.
In all seriousness, i respect the srt-4 and its great power, but if u were gonna waste all that money to fit that engine and have it mounted correctly and workin properly....y not just go turbo? get the c2 kit, upgrade some parts and ull be eating srt-4's for breakfast, wrx's for lunch, and dare i say STI's for dinner lol
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MWR now has blocks ready to be built...spend about 4000 bucks and have one bad ass 2ZZ running 400 WHP...
Just wondering what exactlly would all need to be bought from MWR for $4000 that will give you 400 hp on 2ZZ? Does C2 power make a turbo kit that will work with the stuff ,or does a custum turbo setup need to be made ? Sorry I'm new to turbos .


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no 2zz i have seen has 400 hp.......... last i've read was 360 or so for the 1zz in mwr's spyder.....and that's the most from either motor (to my knowledge of course).
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You 3S-GTE finatics crack me up....MWR now has blocks ready to be built...spend about 4000 bucks and have one bad ass 2ZZ running 400 WHP...
ummm yeah k. 4000 grand wouldnt even buy you the fully built "race" motor they offer. no one knows the the numbers they push either. no way would it be even close to 400whp. damn smaay, you were joking right? i dont even think it would get half that, 200whp. there arn't even cams made for the 2zz. besides tpr's, but they're not selling them yet. "fully" built n/a 2zz wouldnt even be worth the money and time as of right now.



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no 2zz i have seen has 400 hp.......... last i've read was 360 or so for the 1zz in mwr's spyder.....and that's the most from either motor (to my knowledge of course).
i think monkeywrench pushed over 400whp actually with the 1zz
(on stock tranny too?!?!?!?!?!) . but then again, it was turbo'd and was inhaling like 21psi. (i think) and u cant get that for probably triple the amount smaay said. im starting like the idea of a 2.4 hahaha n/a u could probably push over 300crank with it all bored out and stroked with the right cams. or slap on a turbo and get that 300hp easily. i think i want this more everytime i think of it hahahahahaha
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