hahah ricer neon!!!

[trdcelica69]

Alright so i was on my way home from shopping at wal-mart and i was cruisin about 60 on the highway. Then i hear this awful noise and i look over and there is a primered out neon revving at me. He drops down to (maybe 3rd..dont know) gear and just takes off...i think about it a second and drop to 4th and start pullin on him easy and by lift i was like 4 cars ahead. I decide to slow down and see if he will go again. This time i put it in 3rd and when he takes off i gun it and fly past him..by 4th i was at least like 10 cars ahead. I debadged my GTS so i guess he thought i was a GT...either way it was funny as hell.

[2ZZMan]

Nice kill. Whenever I see a Celica without a badge I assume it's a GT until I get a chance to look at the brakes. Now I just have to find a way to get my vid of me racing a Metro on here...

[Arctic-GTS]

I love making neon owners feel stupid.

[2ZZMan]

I actually had a retarded Neon try and race me today!
I was just driving in the slow lane with nobody else around when this neon just starts cruising up to my blind spot on a lane that closes up ahead. I just passed him off as someone that didn't realize that their lane closed so I sped up just to make sure they wouldn't end up cutting me off. As I accelerate from 55 to 60 in 6th gear I hear the classic fart can noise erupt from the Neon as it tries to pass me! Needless to say, I downshifted as he was flying past me and it was over.

It was primer gray with lots of stickers and an Autozone can that pointed towards the ground. Oh and don't forget the chrome taillights.

[trdcelica69]

man thats crazy...the one i raced was primer covered in stickers and it had one of those cheap ass muffler tips...damn ricers

[JnS_Skellington]

Well - almost every NEON driver i have met was stupid. Me and my friend were @ Taco bell and saw a green one with an ugly kit and 2 white racing stripes revvin up his engine. My friend auto starts his tibby, and i go talk to the neon guy and they think they are some bad asses. Apparently, neither of them know anything about cars. He said he has DOHC and started talking like DOHC = Twin Turbo. So we keep on talking and he finally said his TT would whoop me. I tell him to pop the hood, and there is no Intercooler, or even 1 turbo - but who cares, i went along with him, and told him to meet me down the street, and my 00GTS - my friends 03 Tibby GT (auto), and this Neon could square off, and i would even put down $50 (didnt wanna go $100 cuz it woulda scared him away...prolly).

So we line up, and it is more of a race between me + the 03 GT than anything, and i pulled on him by 2 cars, and we pulled on the Neon by like 10 or 12. It was an easy $50, and my friend didnt lose anything, cuz im not gonna take his money. Either way...for all neon owners, know that DOHC =/= TT.

[Celi702]

I'm a GT debadged with rear discs. So the average person would probably think im a GTS unbadged lol =D

[celicadragon]

sneaky

[2ZZMan]

Originally Posted by Celi702

I'm a GT debadged with rear discs. So the average person would probably think im a GTS unbadged lol =D

Only if you're parked. If you ever go WOT I could tell right away.

[card00d85]

Originally Posted by trdcelica69

Alright so i was on my way home from shopping at wal-mart

[FITGT]

Originally Posted by 2ZZMan

Nice kill. Whenever I see a Celica without a badge I assume it's a GT until I get a chance to look at the brakes...

I have a GT, and I am doing a brake conversion kit soon

[INJENcelicaGTS]

i have my gt-s debadged

[SleeprGT]

i smoked the piss out of any NON SRT-4 neons, my girlfriends NEON RT, and others

neons are just ****, and slow. And this was PRE TURBO

[BHam00GT-S]

Originally Posted by 2ZZMan

Only if you're parked. If you ever go WOT I could tell right away.

zing!
I'm debadged GT-S just to keep it clean.

[GTS 6speed]

i just debadged my GTS the other day. I noticed a lot more people want to race me now lol

[2ZZMan]

Originally Posted by GTS 6speed

i just debadged my GTS the other day. I noticed a lot more people want to race me now lol

I wear that badge with pride and I still can't drive ten feet without having some random car revving at me.

[PRRedCelicaGT]

I have a debadged GT...but looks can be very deceiving

[DiverDown]

Originally Posted by Arctic-GTS

I love making neon owners feel stupid.

And how exactly do you do that?

[DiverDown]

Originally Posted by GTS 6speed

i just debadged my GTS the other day. I noticed a lot more people want to race me now lol

Nobody ever wants to race me.

[oONoGoAutoOo]

nice kill

[2ZZMan]

Originally Posted by DiverDown

And how exactly do you do that?

Oh you're clever...

[DiverDown]

Originally Posted by 2ZZMan

Oh you're clever...

Well, I'm a neon owner. I'm curious as to how he would make us neon owners feel stupid. Maybe he could point out how he paid more for less.

[2ZZMan]

Originally Posted by DiverDown

Well, I'm a neon owner. I'm curious as to how he would make us neon owners feel stupid. Maybe he could point out how he paid more for less.

STFU troll. You don't have a neon. The only similarities are the the chassis and the name. You're right, we paid more and it's for a reason. You're not special just because you have an SRT4. I've seen them going for 11k already, which is still too much. I'll pick one up in 5 years when they're going for $500. You should feel stupid just for trying to feel high and mighty in one of the cheapest cars out there.

If you want to talk about power-to-cost ratio any Foxbody or LS1 still kicks your ass, and guess what? They're drag cars that can actually break into the 10's, and that's with less money and more reliability. Are you stupid for having paid more for a car that's only mediocre at the only thing it's got going for it? No, you love your little Neon and you don't care, so stop trolling our forum and get the **** out because we don't care either.

[DiverDown]

Originally Posted by 2ZZMan

STFU troll. You don't have a neon. The only similarities are the the chassis and the name. You're right, we paid more and it's for a reason. You're not special just because you have an SRT4. I've seen them going for 11k already, which is still too much. I'll pick one up in 5 years when they're going for $500. You should feel stupid just for trying to feel high and mighty in one of the cheapest cars out there.

So which is it, a neon or an SRT-4? I thought they were the same. And try to use a better argument than the old depreciation b.s. The SRT-4 actually holds its value just as well, if not better than a celica, thank you. Now you said you paid more for a reason. What exactly was that reason?

[2ZZMan]

I don't need to rely on the old depreciation "b.s." The fact is your car was designed for "drag" but can't break into the 10's even with 500whp. You wanted to try and bring up power-to-cost and you can't support that one. You want to act like you're so cool because your car is faster for less money, but you know what? People just find you to be a dick, much like most other SRT-4 owners.

You bought your SRT-4 for a reason didn't you? It wasn't to be the fastest, because you aren't; it wasn't because it handles exceptionally well, because it doesn't; it wasn't to be the sexiest, because by far you are not; and it wasn't to get respect, because you don't. However, you like the car so go be happy with it on some other forum where they will stroke your penis for you. We are all happy with our cars, and having you coming on here in an attempt to flaunt your "superiority" just makes you an ass.

Or do LS1 and Mustang owners hang around the SRT-4 forums trying to get respect too?

EDIT: I paid $15k for my 2001 GTS 1.5 years ago(repo) so I didn't pay more. I guess I can't argue that point.

[DiverDown]

Originally Posted by 2ZZMan

I don't need to rely on the old depreciation "b.s." The fact is your car was designed for "drag" but can't break into the 10's even with 500whp.

Thanks for showing everyone how much you don't know.

http://videos.streetfire.net/player....6-F0909E475DB5

[2ZZMan]

OMFG! I'm so wrong because one managed to go 10.99! There's a Celica on here that ran 11 flat. Does that mean everyone else will?

[DiverDown]

Actually, get your eyesight checked. He ran a 10.89. Go take a look at the list of SRTs that are running very low 11s. Wow, you got one celica that did it with how much money dumped into it. Congrats.

[2ZZMan]

Originally Posted by DiverDown

Actually, get your eyesight checked. He ran a 10.89. Go take a look at the list of SRTs that are running very low 11s. Wow, you got one celica that did it with how much money dumped into it. Congrats.

Oh! I thought that might be the one car that's got his time posted on SRTforums. Yes, low 11's, but they also have several thousand dollars into their cars. There you go again with the power-to-cost. Sounds like you're out of ideas. The Celica was NEVER intended to be fast in a straight line so an 11 is damn good. Meanwhile, that's the only thing going for the SRT4, and it can't even compare to other cars that are supposed to be for drag whether or not you are comparing power-to-cost as well.
Not that I'll ever go the V8 route but:
RX7 with blown rotary- $500(You can find old ladies giving them away for cheaper)
LS1-$3k(Only if I weren't to go pull my own for $200)
Install-$2k(if you're too lazy)
$5.5k for a 12 second car with a STOCK motor. Does that mean your car sucks? According to your thinking it does.
Oh, and the LS1 RX7's keep their lightweight and 50/50 weight balance, thus destroying the SRT4 in handling as well.

[black02gt]

Originally Posted by DiverDown

Actually, get your eyesight checked. He ran a 10.89. Go take a look at the list of SRTs that are running very low 11s. Wow, you got one celica that did it with how much money dumped into it. Congrats.

Why are you on our boards again? You don't have a celica and it doesn't look like your interested in buying one. No one would care if you were here if you actually had useful information to share. No one cares if your neon is fast. You have fun when it falls apart after 40k miles. Don't get me wrong I like SRT-4's they are a great bang for the buck straight line speed wise. They can be made fast very easily. The only thing I don't like is everyone I know with an SRT-4 always has it in the shop for one reason or another. .

[DiverDown]

Originally Posted by black02gt

The only thing I don't like is everyone I know with an SRT-4 always has it in the shop for one reason or another.

I've got 36k on mine, and the only problem I ever had was when I bent the front axles....covered under warranty. I know plenty of SRT owners, and the only problem I've heard of anyone having was with the tps....and even that was not widespread. It happens to be an extremely reliable car that can handle ridiculous amounts of power safely.

[moltenice]

You cant win here just like they couldn't win on SRTforums.....

we cant turn, our interiors suck, our cars fall apart after 40Kmiles, and it's just a neon....
that about sums it up i guess

[moltenice]

oh and expect many more SRT's in the 10's in the near future.

[DiverDown]

You forgot about us not having power windows in the back.

We've already got 2 in the 10s, and allegedly a 3rd one just hit 10s yesterday.

[trdcelica69]

allegedly you can go shut the f!@# up b/c no one gives a damn

[2ZZMan]

That's with high boost and nitrous. I'd like to see them driving on the street like that. Meanwhile, there are cars that are meant for drag as well that get 9's and then drive home on the same tires. The SRT4 will never be able to impress me until it can run 11's without nitrous AND then be able to pull over 1g on street tires. You know why your car is fast without much cost? Because they skimped on everything but the motor. Any car company can do that, but most won't lower themselves to that standard. Chrysler had nothing to lose with the Neon...

[moltenice]

Originally Posted by 2ZZMan

That's with high boost and nitrous. I'd like to see them driving on the street like that. Meanwhile, there are cars that are meant for drag as well that get 9's and then drive home on the same tires. The SRT4 will never be able to impress me until it can run 11's without nitrous AND then be able to pull over 1g on street tires. You know why your car is fast without much cost? Because they skimped on everything but the motor. Any car company can do that, but most won't lower themselves to that standard. Chrysler had nothing to lose with the Neon...

High boost, in relation to what? It was with the S3 turbo which was in it's efficiency range. Second, the car drove to the track that night and then drove home, stopping at Applebees for a celebration
THe car has full interior, Power steering, A/C, and everything. It is a full street car just running a good pair of slicks. SRT's have enough power to be nasty at the track out of the box, they dont have traction which i am sure you are aware of from your posts. We are getting new products everyday to help with this, and this car is demonstrating what is to come.
You mentioned nitrous, yes this car was running a tiny shot. Off the bottle it will hit 10's, they just wanted to see how deep into the 10's they could dig that night so left the setup.

Plain and simple we have a very potent, extremely well built motor and a rock solid drivetrain. The rest of the car may have neon written all over it, but there is more to it then you think. I have had not one problem with my car in my 30K miles and i have ragged on it, and pushed the stock turbo to it's limits. Still runs perfectly.

I would honestly rather a car company to "skimp" on the fancy interior materials, dials, and other visual amenities to provide a car with balls.

[2ZZMan]

You couldn't be more correct about the traction issues. Exactly why the car still doesn't get the times that it should. FWD drag car = lame, and don't try to bring up the pro series cars because there's no way those will be driven on the street. Had he stripped the car it would have been even lighter, and that would have only exaggerated the traction issues. A full interior was probably needed.

High boost or huge turbo are the same to me. Neither are good for driving daily. A tiny shot of nitrous? It doesn't matter because we all know nitrous does more than the instant boost in power. Lower intake temps allow more aggressive tuning. I said driven away in the condition that it's in for the race. He probably wasn't spraying the whole way to Applebees. Did he drive away on the slicks that got him down the track also?

I would hardly call 13's out of the box nasty either. 13's is the standard for any car that rolls off the showroom floor claiming to be "fast." Modded, yes they can be fast and they are somewhat of a bargain if you're looking to be a quick FWD "drag" car, but they're not high and mighty as some owners would like to pretend. You have to look at a car in context, and the Celica is a quick FWD, 1.8L, n/a car that can handle very well even with the open differential. It's sexy, has a great interior, and turns heads everywhere it goes. Meanwhile, the SRT-4 was meant to be good at nothing but going straight, but it can't compare to others that were meant for the same(even when looking at $ spent). You might be happy with skimping on everything but the power, but that kind of thing is only appealing to me when the car is a Lotus or a Ferrari, NOT a Chrysler.

I wouldn't expect mechanical failures to be the problem with the Neon either, since I see plenty of old pos ones on the road everyday, but none of them have paint and their interiors have fallen apart. That's something that has yet to change with any Chrysler economy car. They can make great power without popping motors, but I would expect that from a car that fits in the "fast" niche as much as I would expect my GTS maintain Toyota reliability.

All this started with someone coming on a car specific forum to talk ****(troll). I know that Moltenice doesn't troll so ignore the following and don't take any previous statements personally:
Get the fvck out because nobody here cares about your car. There are forums for everyone to get their jollies off in and this is not the one for your to get your reach around. You're not going to get respect or make anyone else feel bad about their car just because your car is faster.

EDIT: SRT4 arguments have plagued every car specific forum since the car came out. They should all be closed.

[JnS_Skellington]

I bought my 00 6spd GT-S for roughly 10K. (Dont mind that it was used, had about 50K miles on it, but new tranny and clutch, plus, this was 2 years ago...Hell of a deal IMO, since sticker price was like 17K)

I am getting a Turbo for roughly 4K.

Thats 14K on a car that is faster than a SRT-4. It will also look better, handle better, and not fall apart as quick.

Im not bashing SRT-4's, just the jackasses that troll because they have one of the cheapest, ugliest, hardest to handle turbo'd cars made. I dont mind SRT-4's, and there are some nice ones around here...idiots like you make them look bad though.

[moltenice]

Originally Posted by JnS_Skellington

I bought my 00 6spd GT-S for roughly 10K. (Dont mind that it was used, had about 50K miles on it, but new tranny and clutch, plus, this was 2 years ago...Hell of a deal IMO, since sticker price was like 17K)

I am getting a Turbo for roughly 4K.

Thats 14K on a car that is faster than a SRT-4. It will also look better, handle better, and not fall apart as quick.

Im not bashing SRT-4's, just the jackasses that troll because they have one of the cheapest, ugliest, hardest to handle turbo'd cars made. I dont mind SRT-4's, and there are some nice ones around here...idiots like you make them look bad though.

There are so many misconceptions about the SRT-4 it isnt even funny. That whole it cant turn stereotype that has surrounded it since it's first appearance on the show room floors is weak. It is a lie, and is usually just thrown out there to try and dull the car down by people who have never really experienced the potential this car has.
True it's FWD. FWD does have some limitations, but still even with that over it's head, there are street cars breaking into the 10's. Yeah it changed out to slicks at the track, but so what .... so does almost every other car.

The reason alot of SRT owners are proud of their cars is because DCX listened to what people wanted and they freaking did something about it. The SRT team took the neon, stripped it and built it better and injected some steroids under the hood. On top of that they developed a wide variety of performance parts are great prices. You may not have to like the car, but you have to admit that is awesome. When i owned the Celica, there wasnt **** for it, and it's nto much better today. It took freaking forever for a S/C kit and decent turbo kits to come out for it. TRD slapped a supercharger on everything from the Solara to the Corolla but left the Celica out of the circle even though it was the closest thing to a tuner car they HAD...

Bottom line you can walk into a dealership and spend $25K and walk out with a Stage 3R SRT-4 with full exhaust, Intake, and suspension and WIPE the floor with 90% of the cars on the road. You would also be able to wipe the floor with 99% of the cars on this board in the twisties as well.

This arguement cant be won. Also realize i owned both cars at the same time for a year, so I would drive them both regularly and have a good unbiased idea of what i am talking about. If you want to know where the Celica beats the SRT just ask........ I'm sure you already know though

[JnS_Skellington]

Yeah...i was a lil hypocritical there, lol. The troll just pissed me off.

I test drove a SRT-4 (i know, hardly a real experience, but it was a fun 15 min) and i liked the power it had. I didnt really like the looks, and hated the handling, after all i had my celica for like 1 year at the time. Other than the power it had, i didnt like it all that much.

I know my place on the "list" and it is below the SRT-4. After being boosted, i know that will change.

I still know the potential of the SRT-4, and it is pretty cheap money wise for the straight line walks it puts on other stock cars.

[moltenice]

Awesome..

Hurry up and boost the celica. It was a dream of mine

[JnS_Skellington]

Haha, well it will be done this year for sure, i was aiming for August, and im pretty sure i will the one of the only GT-S' that is boosted in KY. The downside of that is all the shops and people i have called have not worked with the 2zz. There are a few MR2's that have been boosted, so i might have this one place do it, then take a little bit of a drive (20-30 min MAX...i hope) to Indiana, and have it dyno'd + tuned.

If you want to donate....it will be done quicker :-P.

[2ZZMan]

Originally Posted by moltenice

You would also be able to wipe the floor with 99% of the cars on this board in the twisties as well.

You're talking about a Stage 3 performance suspension that is not something most manufacturers would put on a car that they wanted to be comfortable. The squishy stock suspension and open diff on the Celica still handles better up until you get into stage 3. While the SRT4 is maxxed while remaining streetable the Celica is not even being tapped yet. For some people that actually paid more than $23k you could make that argument, but not for those that picked up their cars slightly modded for a lot less. Weight is a big factor in handling, more so than acceleration. That's where the Celica beats out the SRT4 by a pretty decent margin. Even my RX7 feels slippery through the turns when compared to the Celica, and that's with an LSD on the 7.

[aznkhaos]

iono about ur srts but my friend got one. its nice and fast and all..but dam is it in the shop alot. and he bought it brand new and to best of his abilities him and his bro maintains it really well.
not to be bais against srt4s cause they koo cars but too many problems from wat ive seen( kno a few other ppl with them) and dam are they ugly..
i dun care for speed, i prefer looks hince all the money i put into my exterior/suspension mods and only power modd i got was trd filter i got a few days ago. no problems with my car yet minus one bad reading from check engine light(got it fixed mech said it was nothin)
as for the 7.. i want one..FC that is. theres my power car of choice. and for 2-3k i can get a TII in good condition and decent milage. or i can get a cosmo engine for around 4k and have a drag car rite there. and if im wrong about 7 sry havnt looked into performace much for them.

[liquidg]

why are there so many dirty SRT4 on this site, don't they have there own forum. It's a really fast car for the money, but come on, when I need a good laugh, I find a picture of one of those funny looking neons.

[moltenice]

Originally Posted by 2ZZMan

You're talking about a Stage 3 performance suspension that is not something most manufacturers would put on a car that they wanted to be comfortable. The squishy stock suspension and open diff on the Celica still handles better up until you get into stage 3. While the SRT4 is maxxed while remaining streetable the Celica is not even being tapped yet. For some people that actually paid more than $23k you could make that argument, but not for those that picked up their cars slightly modded for a lot less. Weight is a big factor in handling, more so than acceleration. That's where the Celica beats out the SRT4 by a pretty decent margin. Even my RX7 feels slippery through the turns when compared to the Celica, and that's with an LSD on the 7.

I wasnt even getting into S3 suspension.
What I was talking about was, Welfare sways, otherwise known as the PT sway bars which come on the ACR edition, STB's, S1 springs, and Rear Tension Strut Kit.
Since you brought up S3 coilovers (suspension), they are more comfortable then stock, with the system’s adjustments allowing the vehicle to be tuned to the needs of the driver, making the ride variable from comfortable to sporty and stiff, both with improved road handling.. Those along with a few other choice items would turn the SRT into a monster in the turns.
Weight: 2500 celica, 2880 SRT-4

some quotes
"The SRT-4 is faster to reach 60 mph and the 1/4 mile than many acclaimed sports cars that cost much more, including the Porsche Boxster S, Beetle Turbo S, Matrix MRS, and the new, hyped-up Nissan 350Z"

"The Dodge SRT-4 offers the most "as delivered" performance for the dollar of any other production sport compact car available in the United States, foreign or domestic. With more than 200 horses under the hood, it will be one of the most powerful four-cylinder cars on the market. To go with all that horsepower, SRT-4 also features an improved cooling system and high-flow fuel system"

"The SRT-4 combines desirable Neon traits with desirable Spirit R/T traits, and in the process absolutely blows away most competitors, especially the Toyota Celica and Acura RSX. Acceleration is very strong but also very smooth, so that while it posts similar figures to the Spirit R/T, it does so without as much need for driver skill and cooperative roads. Acceleration is strong from any engine speed, with no need to be up in the high (4,000+) rpms before getting turbo boost and a kick in the pants. The interior is nicely done, with tasteful chrome accents and a visible if small boost/vacuum gauge. Construction seems tight and solid"

"Handling is very good but ride is not compromised - again, a vast improvement over the Celica and RSX, not to mention the Camaro. As a modified Neon, the SRT-4 has a good-sized rear seat and trunk, too. The engine is fairly loud with a rumbling, Camaro-style sound that could easily be muted with a muffler if the owner desired a sleeper"

all reviews of the slower, less nimble 2003....

I really dont want to keep up the debate. You have shown you really dont have a clue what you are talking about with the SRT-4. You are going off of what you THINK is the case, and what you read in magazines (reason why i quoted a few).
The SRT-4 is superior in almost every area worth giving a **** about .
Yeah our interiors arent the greatest, yeah we have horrible gas economy, our rear windows dont roll down, some things are made of cheap plastic (center console)... But we have a WAY better stock stereo and some balls to back the car up.

[moltenice]

Originally Posted by liquidg

why are there so many dirty SRT4 on this site, don't they have there own forum. It's a really fast car for the money, but come on, when I need a good laugh, I find a picture of one of those funny looking neons.

Probably becasue I was on this site long before you were...

I just came in this thread becasue people were talking ****, and I have been pretty easy going.

I dont start Hater threads, I dont post random hate towards other cars, But i will set the cards straight when others get out of hand.

[Zenith]

yes... it handles better and LOVES mods... oh wait, except when it comes to the suspension. lets qoute some facts now

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr.../0404scc_neon/

"On the skidpad, Project SRT-4 pulled 0.91g, up from 0.85g. Through the slalom, the improvements were equally marginal."

if you don't want to click the link, that was with roll bars. anti roll end links. camber plates. "Mopar's Stage Three coil-overs". "BFGoodrich g-Force KDW". and a CF hood. wow, all that and ONLY .06g's? sad.

the celica pulls what? .89g's stock, slap some tires on it and you have enough g's to push the oil to one side and blow the engine (hell, go with WARs only setup and you're pushing 1.4G's with hoosiers if i recall correctly and it was bolt-ons)... just tires... srt-4 is the drag car. noone is denying that. however, it blows elsewhere.

[2ZZMan]

You say your interior is cheap, and the mag says it's nice. Kind of makes you wonder. You're actually going agree that the SRT4 handles better than a Celica? You owned a Celica, can you honestly say that when ignoring the "who's better" argument? I've heard/seen differing opinions on that, and since I'm illiterate I've mostly seen the negative reviews from Speed Channel shows. They all agreed that it's a great buy on power and speed, but not one that I saw liked the handling all that much, but they didn't have the factory upgrades. The SRT4 is one of the few cars that I haven't driven so I can't comment directly on it, but I will go off of other experiences.

I don't know what year SRT4 weighs less than 2900lbs because everything else I see says the curb weight is 2970lbs for 2003 & 2004(Vehix.com is just one). My RX7 feels chunky at 2900lbs and 50/50 weight distribution. You're not going to convince me that 2970lbs and a 60/40 split feels good when compared to something nearly 500lbs lighter.