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Old 05-09-2006, 10:59 AM   #1
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Hass Turbo Matrix XRS-dyno 292whp at 9psi

1st off I dont want this thread to follow the past types of threads ,this is not in the interest of anyone to benifit by ...Ive recieved several Pms fromguys here on NCOrg wanting info on my car with detailed pics and any other info I can give to help them,so thats what Im here for--a very neutral friendy gesture on my behalf...(Im a car guy are you all are it just so happens we share the same engines and seek similar goles..Having said that---Sorry its took me a while guys to get the promised info posted up but as all you guys know installing and tuning a new standalone EMS on a car thats never had one takes a fair amount of time...Well all is finished ,cars been dynoed and is on its way home will be delivered this Sat...via http://www.exoticcartransport.com ..As promised Ill be providing very detailed pics /lots of videos and a fair unbiased opinion of the work quility and my excperiance with hiring HassPro turbo to build my car..For now I just wanna give you guys pics and a couple vids to watch and a dyno run a 9psi..enjoy


































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Now for a short little teaser video...(to veiw right click and save target as)
http://www.hassturbo.com/matrix/Matrix-Reving.mpg
http://www.hassturbo.com/matrix/rio-trix-road.mpg
292whp, through a smallish cat which hurt to the tune of about 15whp. So catless this would have been about 305-310whp at 9ish psi. Not bad.

FYI, this is while I was still working out the cam timing and lift point so the dip is not a smooth as it got in the end but this was the strongest pull so I used it. The car started heat soaking after a while and lost about 5-7whp towards the end.
Lots more close up pics of work quility and in car cam vids and whatever else ya wanna see coming up after the weekend...
Oh BTW after the dynos was finished ,I choose to yank the cat,hehehehe
Btw I share my time on about 6 forums since I have other types of rides too,so Ill check in as I can...and update you will new pics/vids ASAP ..Im really eager to do some 1/4's....
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Old 05-09-2006, 11:01 AM   #2
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specs on the turbo?
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specs on the turbo?
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decent turbo size...but at 9 psi you arent getting much out of it ( turbo is good for 35psi)...plan on going any bigger in the future?? looks as if you got the money...id say go for gold...
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decent turbo size...but at 9 psi you arent getting much out of it ( turbo is good for 35psi)...plan on going any bigger in the future?? looks as if you got the money...id say go for gold...
Acctually yes I do have very large plans in store ,so internals and trannie are at the top of the list ,then I can use all the power the turbo was designed to allow...things take time,getting all my Matrix friends and I a working kit was number 1 one on the list--thats done now,,so everything else to come is my candy..I agree go for the gold ,or dont run the race...
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Old 05-09-2006, 11:29 AM   #6
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decent turbo size...but at 9 psi you arent getting much out of it ( turbo is good for 35psi)...plan on going any bigger in the future?? looks as if you got the money...id say go for gold...
You seriously need to re-check your figures. These are very good figures for that turbo.
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why would i need to recheck my figures when i know that turbo can flow up to 35psi and hes at 9?
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If I had a Matrix and made it look that ugly I wouldn't want people to see me driving it and transport it on a covered trailer also. G/J
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why would i need to recheck my figures when i know that turbo can flow up to 35psi and hes at 9?
I call

GT2860RS - 739548 - 1:
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why would i need to recheck my figures when i know that turbo can flow up to 35psi and hes at 9?
So lets assume for a minute that his setup only has a 2 psi drop from the compressor outlet to the intake manifold. You're talking about a 3.5:1 pressure ratio.

Garrett disagrees with you:



EDIT: damn, beat me to it But as you can see, a pressure ratio of 2.75:1 is alread off the map.
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whats this mean? the turbo can flow up to 35psi..its a common turbo for our sr20 guys...i said hes at a low psi setting and can get more out of the turbo later on when he ups the boost because the turbo flows so well under higher pressures as well...so what are you calling BS on?

do you have a link to those maps...i cannot see any figures on them from the ones you posted
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whats this mean?
Its a compressor map. It says the GT2860RS compressor isn't physically capable of the pressure ratios you claim it is. Even if it were, if would be operating at such an extremely low efficiency it wouldn't be worth it. As you can see, at a pressure ratio of 1.75-2 (right where you'd be at 9-10 psi), you go directly through the peak efficiency island on the map.
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i know what a compressor map is but i cant read any figures on it...and ive seen this turbo at 35psi...and it made good power...whether or not it lost some efficiency along the way wasnt noticeable because it kept making power on the sr20
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do you have a link to those maps...i cannot see any figures on them from the ones you posted
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...548_comp_e.gif

Garrett's website screws up the resizing. Save that to your desktop and open it in on its own.
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from the map you are right....but from personal experience i dunno what to tell you...those are quick spoolin turbos and to make bigger power we up the psi on them....quick spooling smaller sized turbos...
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from the map you are right....but from personal experience i dunno what to tell you...those are quick spoolin turbos and to make bigger power we up the psi on them....quick spooling smaller sized turbos...
There is no doubt that you will continue to make power as boost rises, but you will reach a point of diminishing returns. You are the first person I have ever heard claiming 35 psi out of a GT2860RS, so you have to excuse me for not believing you.
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yea its understandable...i personally havent seen that turbo on honda's so i cant say im any kind of authority on it...but the few nissans i saw them on were always on at least 18 psi and up...if i can get in touch with the redtop owner who had this turbo ill have him come on and post specs...it may not have been 35 but i know it was in the 30's
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Guys - leave his thread alone!

Congratz Rio! Thats awsome man you must be so stoked to get your car back with those numbers! And man - how cool is that to have it show up in a truck full of Ferarris!
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yea its understandable...i personally havent seen that turbo on honda's so i cant say im any kind of authority on it...but the few nissans i saw them on were always on at least 18 psi and up...if i can get in touch with the redtop owner who had this turbo ill have him come on and post specs...it may not have been 35 but i know it was in the 30's
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Guys - leave his thread alone!

Congratz Rio! Thats awsome man you must be so stoked to get your car back with those numbers! And man - how cool is that to have it show up in a truck full of Ferarris!
Thanx Buddy,I really appreciate it,yep Im hella excited (as you remember I was caught up in the ATR fiasco lost lots of money and time ...Ive waited so long on this day and Im so so Happy!!! Thanx again Buddy
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No prob - I'm happy for ya. BTW - you may want to shrink your sig before one of the Mods jumps on yer case about it.

Is that the Aquamist pump or a snow pump on your WI system?
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Sorry to be sceptic. I beliewe the 292whp but not at 9PSI whit that turbo.
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No prob - I'm happy for ya. BTW - you may want to shrink your sig before one of the Mods jumps on yer case about it.

Is that the Aquamist pump or a snow pump on your WI system?
Thanx Bud,
Will do thanks for the heads up..Its Aquamist
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why would i need to recheck my figures when i know that turbo can flow up to 35psi and hes at 9?

I dunno but 35 psi into a high compression engine sounds like a very bad idea.
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Are you sure it's not the 2871R? That's what Jay put on my car and we got some sweet numbers with it. I'm pissed you can run a Hydra. I need to move south.
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Are you sure it's not the 2871R? That's what Jay put on my car and we got some sweet numbers with it. I'm pissed you can run a Hydra. I need to move south.
nope its the RS--I Agree you did get great #s I was very impressed your success with Hass inspired me to go for it as well..thank you for that...Yep the Hydra unit is the perfect compainion for the 2zz and ye living in the south having no emmision laws is fun,not even inspection stickers in South Carolina..
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Love those numbers. 9 PSI daily driven? Is the aquamist boost regulated or WOT? Nice to see some FI 2zz's in SC!
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what size downpipe is that?
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what size downpipe is that?
Acctually that pic showing the downpipe is an early pic jay took as he was making his production kit as well as the turbo in that same pic isnt thermal coated...now in another pic youll see the turbo is now thermal coated as well as the downpipe,...long story short I have a 3"downpipe ,,more pics will come after this weekend.much better detailed
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nope its the RS--I Agree you did get great #s I was very impressed your success with Hass inspired me to go for it as well..thank you for that...Yep the Hydra unit is the perfect compainion for the 2zz and ye living in the south having no emmision laws is fun,not even inspection stickers in South Carolina..
BTW which LSD unit have you got????
TRD clutch type. Why did you opt for the 28RS in the end?

It's sweet to see all those Elises in the garage. Somebody got that started as well.
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No prob - I'm happy for ya. BTW - you may want to shrink your sig before one of the Mods jumps on yer case about it.
Amazingly, you can make your test as large as you want as long as you don't exceed the image size of the number of lines of text. That is how milesplume gets away with that monstrosity he uses as a sig.
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last few pics is ur water injection setup?? you run just water or water/alcohol?
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Old 05-10-2006, 01:43 PM   #34
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Sorry to be sceptic. I beliewe the 292whp but not at 9PSI whit that turbo.
what PSI then if not 9?
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Old 05-10-2006, 02:02 PM   #35
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what PSI then if not 9?
I would guess ~14 PSI with the standart GT28RS. 292whp at 9PSI is rather a gt35-gt40 Turbo, but those would not have that early power as the dyno shows. That is just my 5 cents
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:27 PM   #36
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Sorry to be sceptic. I beliewe the 292whp but not at 9PSI whit that turbo.
Love to have ya fly over and we can do it again with you in the car Ill gladly pay for dinner and drinks.Other than that no reason at all to be sorry everybody's entitiled to there opinion.Im cool with it
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:52 PM   #37
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Love those numbers. 9 PSI daily driven? Is the aquamist boost regulated or WOT? Nice to see some FI 2zz's in SC!
Yep 9psi daily ...the Aquamist is regulated & water/meth mix.. Cool you live in SC ..were???Im in Greenville...
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Old 05-10-2006, 04:05 PM   #38
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not banning . Just my personal point of view. Maybe 1 day when I am near by could have a drink
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Old 05-10-2006, 04:11 PM   #39
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not banning . Just my personal point of view. Maybe 1 day when I am near by could have a drink
NP..Consider it an open invitation..Or ya can fly me over for a vacation hehe (I could really use it) Ill still buy dinner and drinks....
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i beleive the numbers... acura GS-R's put down 300 whp with a properly designed exhaust, system, standalone, with 9-10 psi pretty consistantly, and they are only 170hp compared to the gt-s's 190. the hydra and the exhaust are probably making a huge difference here, good numbers
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i beleive the numbers... acura GS-R's put down 300 whp with a properly designed exhaust, system, standalone, with 9-10 psi pretty consistantly, and they are only 170hp compared to the gt-s's 190. the hydra and the exhaust are probably making a huge difference here, good numbers
BINGO!!!!!!! 1 word in your post is the whole reason such high #'s at 9psi --Ill clarify once I have EXACT details or Jay may do it...Stay tuned
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is that one word hyrda?? oh and why is it that everyone doesnt use hydra?
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is that one word hyrda?? oh and why is it that everyone doesnt use hydra?
The one she is using is the hydra ems...and most people use the Apexi Power FC or the Emange
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yea i know that i dont think u understood me read Rio Trix 's last post
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I would actually bet the water/meth injection has more to do with it than the hydra - it lets you run way more timing than you can with regular pump gas.
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is that one word hyrda?? oh and why is it that everyone doesnt use hydra?
Yes it is...For some its price $1500.00 + support tool $300ish then exstensive dyno time...also its not widly available on all types of cars,they are vehicle specific, mine is the 1st matrix ever done(not even to mention turbo -- It was flown in direct from hydra asia thanks to Andrews help at hydra- usa) My unit hasnt been out long at all.. Theres 1000's of ways to achive perfection with this unit flip side 1000s of ways to screw it up...A great tuner is key (one that has studied the hydra extensivly)And Jay was that tuner distibutor in the region.. Oh did I mention you dont have to wire it up at all it plugs directly into the stock ECU harness after ya scrap your stock ECU.Boosted is prob.right the W/I plays a big roal as well..
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Cool - do all the stock gauges and AC controls work?
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I would actually bet the water/meth injection has more to do with it than the hydra - it lets you run way more timing than you can with regular pump gas.
Im sure your correct the W/I plays a huge roal ,I suppose getting that much without W/I would be very risky to say the least IMHO ..But the Hydra is BAD-@SS and worth every single PENNY!
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Cool - do all the stock gauges and AC controls work?
Perfectly like I said there very vehicle specific,Its a whole new ECU thats basically infinitely ajustable,
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matrix doenst have a luxury of having a Apexi PFC so Hydra is the only after market ECU that can be plug&play. I emailed long time ago to Apexi Japan about making a PFC for other 2zz-ge cars that celica but it was no go.
I am glad that Hydra is the aftermarket ecu for matrix 2zz to have.
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