What is th Super Strut Suspension

DopeCelicaGT · 07-06-2006, 11:20 AM

I have never heard of this but while I was looking at Trial's coilovers they claimed that their coilovers were not for super strut models. They could be used on any celica but if you had one with the super strut option then you had to convert it to the normal strut set-up before using their coilovers. So, what the heck is the super strut option? I have never heard of this before.

BHam00GT-S · 07-06-2006, 11:49 AM

The SS-II model was released I think only in Japan. SS being 'super strut.' Ours are not SS-II. Even my GT-S isn't, so if you get those Trial coilovers, LMK! I want them so bad! I might have to steal them from you Justin

DopeCelicaGT · 07-06-2006, 12:50 PM

LOL, I plan on getting something there Matt. I got a few things on my ride that need to be taken care of, suspension overhaul, brakes, etc. etc. I am also debating on whether or not to go widebody. I didn't really want to spend anymore money on this car but it is going to be awhile before I can get a new one, at least another 5 years since I am trying to start my business up. Anyways, because of that I am thinking of just renewing the celica by doing a widebody (custom), repaint of course with custom color and pearlescent job, all the suspension crap, brake upgrade, installing of newer model sunroof, etc. etc. etc. new wheels, you get the drill. Then again I look at it as all that being money that could go towards a new car LOL, so I can't make up my mind.

**Blue Bomber** · 07-06-2006, 01:26 PM

SS-I = GT
SS-II = GT-S
SS-II w/Super Strut = N/A

The Super Strut suspension was an option for the JDM GT-S. It was a completely different front suspension setup. The 6th gens had the SS-III which was the top of the line NA (GT4 was top of the line overall), and it had the Super Strut suspension, but the 7th gen didn't have a unique trim level for it.

BHam00GT-S · 07-06-2006, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DopeCelicaGT

LOL, I plan on getting something there Matt. I got a few things on my ride that need to be taken care of, suspension overhaul, brakes, etc. etc. I am also debating on whether or not to go widebody. I didn't really want to spend anymore money on this car but it is going to be awhile before I can get a new one, at least another 5 years since I am trying to start my business up. Anyways, because of that I am thinking of just renewing the celica by doing a widebody (custom), repaint of course with custom color and pearlescent job, all the suspension crap, brake upgrade, installing of newer model sunroof, etc. etc. etc. new wheels, you get the drill. Then again I look at it as all that being money that could go towards a new car LOL, so I can't make up my mind.

That would kick ass to go around taking a bunch of Toytota trophies around the Southeast (you, me, Bobby...)

Carbonized_GT · 07-06-2006, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Bomber

SS-I = GT
SS-II = GT-S
SS-II w/Super Strut = N/A

The Super Strut suspension was an option for the JDM GT-S. It was a completely different front suspension setup. The 6th gens had the SS-III which was the top of the line NA (GT4 was top of the line overall), and it had the Super Strut suspension, but the 7th gen didn't have a unique trim level for it.

is there any particular differences between the suspension setup of the 7th gen gts and the gts with ss package?

boostjunkie26 · 07-06-2006, 07:27 PM

The "super strut," as I recall, had a strut assembly where the base of the strut had another articulation arm that attached to the hub... whereas a "normal" strut, is mounted directly to the hub.

This added arm gave the front suspension a more aggressive camber change for a given bump, thereby making the super strut suspension react more like a double wishbone setup.

The effect, of which, was a better handling celica.

This suspension design was nothing new... I believe several manufacturers have similar setups... the one that comes to mind is Ford. In their overseas Focus, IIRC.

**jlitman** · 07-06-2006, 07:58 PM

Neat-o. What would need to be done to have a SSII set up on a USDM Celi? Would it be worth the cost and would result in superior handling as compared to a decently tuned non-SSII suspension set-up?

deltaB · 07-09-2006, 10:44 AM

I stole these from somewhere.

dB

zima · 07-20-2006, 11:42 PM

Super Strut is awesome suspension - I have one. Handles very well. However, it requires a lot more attention to it. Have a lot of struts, arms, etc. Also, it have different front shocks (than GTS or regular SS-II). OEM price ~ $400 each. Only Tein (Super Special) and TRD (Sportivo) selling replacement for ~$500 each. That's quite expensive suspension.

P.s. "SS" in Japanese "SS-I","SS-II" - it's not Super Strut.

**jlitman** · 07-21-2006, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zima

Super Strut is awesome suspension - I have one. Handles very well. However, it requires a lot more attention to it. Have a lot of struts, arms, etc. Also, it have different front shocks (than GTS or regular SS-II). OEM price ~ $400 each. Only Tein (Super Special) and TRD (Sportivo) selling replacement for ~$500 each. That's quite expensive suspension.

P.s. "SS" in Japanese "SS-I","SS-II" - it's not Super Strut.

Do you happen to have any of the relevant part numbers for the SS components? I'd be interested in doing a conversion if it wouldn't cost more than, say, a good set of coilovers.

zima · 07-21-2006, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlitman

Do you happen to have any of the relevant part numbers for the SS components? I'd be interested in doing a conversion if it wouldn't cost more than, say, a good set of coilovers.

That would cost much more than getting new stock GT-S suspension

We have people doing SS -> McPherson conversions here (because SS too expensive). There are a lot of parts to replace.

Here you go:
McPherson:
1. http://www.japancats.ru/toyota/detai...2=&piid=110110
2. http://www.japancats.ru/toyota/detai...2=&piid=110106

Super Strut:
1. http://www.japancats.ru/toyota/detai...2=&piid=110111
2. http://www.japancats.ru/toyota/detai...2=&piid=110107

Enjoy

**jlitman** · 07-21-2006, 12:53 AM

^^ Cool! Thanks!

**Zero** · 07-21-2006, 08:34 AM

Reading Zima first post and how the SS does not stand for "Super Strut" I came to the conclusion that SS meant....yup you guessed it, "Super Slow"

Those pictures that deltaB posted are quite helpful.

genax · 07-22-2006, 06:02 PM

sounds like a marketing sham to me?

deltaB · 07-23-2006, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by genax

sounds like a marketing sham to me?

Nah,
the geometry has to be better than the McStrut. Anything would be better.
dB

kimGT · 08-15-2006, 11:32 PM

so bottom line, which suspension is better?

SickCelica696 · 08-15-2006, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimGT

so bottom line, which suspension is better?

SS.. but you could make a US one handle better for less than it would cost to convert

kimGT · 08-15-2006, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SickCelica696

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimGT

so bottom line, which suspension is better?

SS.. but you could make a US one handle better for less than it would cost to convert

with what?

i don't know why but it just seems interesting to see what it really does, and handles like. if people are just throwing away their parts or selling the parts cheap i'd like to try it out.

SickCelica696 · 08-15-2006, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimGT

Quote:

Originally Posted by SickCelica696

SS.. but you could make a US one handle better for less than it would cost to convert

with what?

i don't know why but it just seems interesting to see what it really does, and handles like. if people are just throwing away their parts or selling the parts cheap i'd like to try it out.

Uhm.. then your gonna need to hop a flight to japan and start searching junkyards.. it doesn't handle that well..

DopeCelicaGT · 08-17-2006, 06:46 AM

The reason I was asking about this is because I was looking to get some C-One coilovers and it said that they were for the SS suspension only but if you look in the pics they look just like our normal set-up so I am confused.

shraneel · 08-17-2008, 05:38 PM

hello Zima

I have 1998 Celica ST202 with SS-II suspension. I am looking for the ccomplete suspension set for both left and right. I have visited the TRD site and found that the part is discontinued.

I want to know what are the modification to be done in order to change SS-II to Macpherson Strut Suspenion? Is it possible to just switch from SS-II to Macpherson suspension??

euromotorsports · 08-18-2008, 09:15 AM

I thought the the superstrut difference between the normal was that it used an inverted double wishbone suspension in the front and rear?? compared to the mcpherson suspension in the front and normal wishbone suspension in the rear on the normal Celicas

**TUMASGTS** · 08-18-2008, 09:43 AM

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07-06-2006, 11:20 AM	#1
DopeCelicaGT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 8,087 iTrader: (1)	What is th Super Strut Suspension I have never heard of this but while I was looking at Trial's coilovers they claimed that their coilovers were not for super strut models. They could be used on any celica but if you had one with the super strut option then you had to convert it to the normal strut set-up before using their coilovers. So, what the heck is the super strut option? I have never heard of this before.

07-06-2006, 11:49 AM	#2
BHam00GT-S JDM addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 2,938 iTrader: (9)	The SS-II model was released I think only in Japan. SS being 'super strut.' Ours are not SS-II. Even my GT-S isn't, so if you get those Trial coilovers, LMK! I want them so bad! I might have to steal them from you Justin __________________ 00 GT-S 6spd: Trial, C-One, TRD Japan... the list is getting long, this is simple enough

07-06-2006, 01:26 PM	#4
Blue Bomber No More Heroes Otaku Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: FL Posts: 26,980 iTrader: (9)	SS-I = GT SS-II = GT-S SS-II w/Super Strut = N/A The Super Strut suspension was an option for the JDM GT-S. It was a completely different front suspension setup. The 6th gens had the SS-III which was the top of the line NA (GT4 was top of the line overall), and it had the Super Strut suspension, but the 7th gen didn't have a unique trim level for it. __________________

07-06-2006, 12:50 PM	#3
DopeCelicaGT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 8,087 iTrader: (1)	LOL, I plan on getting something there Matt. I got a few things on my ride that need to be taken care of, suspension overhaul, brakes, etc. etc. I am also debating on whether or not to go widebody. I didn't really want to spend anymore money on this car but it is going to be awhile before I can get a new one, at least another 5 years since I am trying to start my business up. Anyways, because of that I am thinking of just renewing the celica by doing a widebody (custom), repaint of course with custom color and pearlescent job, all the suspension crap, brake upgrade, installing of newer model sunroof, etc. etc. etc. new wheels, you get the drill. Then again I look at it as all that being money that could go towards a new car LOL, so I can't make up my mind.

07-06-2006, 07:27 PM	#7
boostjunkie26 I like cars! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Owings Mills, MD Posts: 1,255 iTrader: (2)	The "super strut," as I recall, had a strut assembly where the base of the strut had another articulation arm that attached to the hub... whereas a "normal" strut, is mounted directly to the hub. This added arm gave the front suspension a more aggressive camber change for a given bump, thereby making the super strut suspension react more like a double wishbone setup. The effect, of which, was a better handling celica. This suspension design was nothing new... I believe several manufacturers have similar setups... the one that comes to mind is Ford. In their overseas Focus, IIRC. __________________ sig removed. exceeds site limit of 500 x 250 pixels Last edited by boostjunkie26 : 07-06-2006 at 07:33 PM.

07-06-2006, 07:58 PM	#8
jlitman (Anti)Social Psychologist Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 11,034 iTrader: (39)	Neat-o. What would need to be done to have a SSII set up on a USDM Celi? Would it be worth the cost and would result in superior handling as compared to a decently tuned non-SSII suspension set-up? __________________ 2010 Fairlady Z34

07-09-2006, 10:44 AM	#9
deltaB 1zz-2zz(mrs-gts) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SE VA USA Posts: 2,152 iTrader: (1)	I stole these from somewhere. dB

07-20-2006, 11:42 PM	#10
zima Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Russia, Siberia Posts: 40 iTrader: (0)	Super Strut is awesome suspension - I have one. Handles very well. However, it requires a lot more attention to it. Have a lot of struts, arms, etc. Also, it have different front shocks (than GTS or regular SS-II). OEM price ~ $400 each. Only Tein (Super Special) and TRD (Sportivo) selling replacement for ~$500 each. That's quite expensive suspension. P.s. "SS" in Japanese "SS-I","SS-II" - it's not Super Strut. __________________ JDM Celica SS-II 2ZZ-GE, 6MT, LSD, Super Strut Suspension. Mods: Varis Extremor bodykit, Butterfly mod, Tanabe Hyper Medallion Exhaust, TRD clutch & cover, TRD quickshifter, JUN lightweight flywheel Last edited by zima : 07-20-2006 at 11:49 PM.

07-21-2006, 12:53 AM	#13
jlitman (Anti)Social Psychologist Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 11,034 iTrader: (39)	^^ Cool! Thanks! __________________ 2010 Fairlady Z34

07-22-2006, 06:02 PM	#15
genax sweetjesus Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 419 iTrader: (0)	sounds like a marketing sham to me?

08-15-2006, 11:32 PM	#17
kimGT Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bellflower Posts: 1,884 iTrader: (10)	so bottom line, which suspension is better? __________________

08-17-2006, 06:46 AM	#21
DopeCelicaGT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 8,087 iTrader: (1)	The reason I was asking about this is because I was looking to get some C-One coilovers and it said that they were for the SS suspension only but if you look in the pics they look just like our normal set-up so I am confused. __________________

08-17-2008, 05:38 PM	#22
shraneel Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fiji Islands Posts: 1 iTrader: (0)	hello Zima I have 1998 Celica ST202 with SS-II suspension. I am looking for the ccomplete suspension set for both left and right. I have visited the TRD site and found that the part is discontinued. I want to know what are the modification to be done in order to change SS-II to Macpherson Strut Suspenion? Is it possible to just switch from SS-II to Macpherson suspension??

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08-18-2008, 09:15 AM	#23
euromotorsports Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: South San Francisco Posts: 507 iTrader: (3)	I thought the the superstrut difference between the normal was that it used an inverted double wishbone suspension in the front and rear?? compared to the mcpherson suspension in the front and normal wishbone suspension in the rear on the normal Celicas

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