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First 2ZZ over 500whp
Well, the retune on our shop Celica GTS went well tonight. It now has a built engine with the Mahle pistons (9.0:1) as well as a slight increase in turbo size from the old GT3071R to a shiny new GT30R. Stock intake manifold, stock throttle body, Power FC. 93 octane gas.
The resutls: 505 hp at the wheels 375 ft-lb at the wheels I inched the boost up slowly and was frustrated to find the car misfired any time I went over 20psi. I gapped the plugs to 0.028" and made it to 23psi, then more misfire. Hmm. Gapped them to 0.025" and it pulled strong through 24psi, the pressure that made the 505whp. I was also somewhat disappointed to see I wasn't getting full boost until nearly 5k rpm! The old 3071 was at full steam before 4k. Now the funny part. It suddenly occurred to me as I was turning the shop lights out that both the misfire and the slow spool-up made sense. You see, the exhaust gases exit the engine through a nice equal length stainless header then flow through the 30R. After that they travel through a nice smooth 3" downpipe into... the stock exhaust. Stock midpipe, stock cat, stock silencer, stock catback. I'm an old man of 30 years and enjoy the silence while I drive. There is a 3" cutout valve right off the downpipe for excellent flow and no restriction in racing situations. I forgot to open it. The car made 505whp through a full stock exhaust. I may re-run it with the valve open ![]()
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Matt @ Monkeywrench http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com 2005 Lotus Elise (all kinds of potential) 2001 Celica drag car 666whp 2ZZ @ 30psi / 10.9@140 at 28psi / 202mph @ 25psi in the standing mile 2000 Celica GT-S 412whp with MWR turbo @ 16psi and stock engine / 550whp with MWR turbo @ 26psi on 93 octane - 11.5@129 on 93 octane 2001 MR2-S turbo - 508 whp - 10.85@130
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Matt @ Monkeywrench http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com 2005 Lotus Elise (all kinds of potential) 2001 Celica drag car 666whp 2ZZ @ 30psi / 10.9@140 at 28psi / 202mph @ 25psi in the standing mile 2000 Celica GT-S 412whp with MWR turbo @ 16psi and stock engine / 550whp with MWR turbo @ 26psi on 93 octane - 11.5@129 on 93 octane 2001 MR2-S turbo - 508 whp - 10.85@130
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educate yourselves on octane http://www.state.mn.us/mn/externalDo...ctaneFacts.pdf http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm |
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Ours would score ~580hp at the crank so that 750 would indeed be higher.
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Matt @ Monkeywrench http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com 2005 Lotus Elise (all kinds of potential) 2001 Celica drag car 666whp 2ZZ @ 30psi / 10.9@140 at 28psi / 202mph @ 25psi in the standing mile 2000 Celica GT-S 412whp with MWR turbo @ 16psi and stock engine / 550whp with MWR turbo @ 26psi on 93 octane - 11.5@129 on 93 octane 2001 MR2-S turbo - 508 whp - 10.85@130
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wow i didnt know that but if you compare the 2 engines i thnk mwr have a lot less parts then chris rado's engine (i think) so if both engines were to have the same kind of mods i think it be close dont you?
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nice!!! i would definitely buy a built motor from you monkeywrench!!!!
hopefully not too soon!
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A milestone achievement by any standard. Rado's setup is race only and MWR is street - it's no comparison, most of us will take the more pratical setup on any given day except sunday.
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everyone's statements are true, except it's just monkeywrench claimed he had the first ever 500+ hp 2zz when chris rado did. i would no doubt take monkeywrench's setup any day considering it is probably a lot cheaper than rado's.
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Wow!
Is this the drag car you are building or a different 2ZZ? If the latter, how is the other beast coming along?
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WOW! so, when are you guys going to start selling your own MWR Turbo kits? I've been looking into getting the old Hass/ new Turbokits.com turbo kit, but if you guys can offer better numbers, which you can, for a better price, i'm definately getting one.
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One word: Speechless. Good work MWR! So any plans on finally releasing a turbo kit for us? All other shops except C2 failed, this is a great oportunity for us to finally have a good quality turbo kit with the support of MWR. Keep up the good work.
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Congratz Matt...I knew sooner or later you would be the 1st one to get there (hopefully, not the only one
). Im not even counting in Rado's 2zz...Cant wait to see the graph. Keep it up... PS: Just to be clear... No sleeves? Crower rods? Just 93oct (wow), no WI? IK24 or 27? Oem tranny? (if so, still no problems?)
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incredible #'s...congrats!
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Where is the manifold from?
There is a guy who bought a manifold from you, and had an extra one. I considered buying it until I saw the pictures. The one he had definitely did not have equal-length runners and the collector area was rough to put it mildly. Is this perhaps a new manifold specific to the GT30xxR series (which is larger) or would it work with the GT28xxR/S series as well?
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dang nice numbers....if this it what yours did with your simple setup, imagine what LittleRockets wetsleeve set up is gonna do (good to 50 psi )
What an exciting year for the 2zz. John
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That won't happen because unless Littlerocket will do something to the head so it wont wrap like the guy who hit 750whp on it... thats the reason they dumped the project Btw good numbers guys |
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damn impressive!! im surprised youve got all that stock stuff on there still and not having problems? but still very impressive cant wait to see it with opened valve at the same psi.
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Congrats Matt!
I should be stopping by this week or next so we can talk.. This is Josh by the way.
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congrats.!
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Impressive.
Are guys still using the stock 5speed or is the worked auto tranny in?
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Race car is coming along nicely. Should be running in a couple of weeks. It will be race gas only and should produce significantly higher numbers.
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Matt @ Monkeywrench http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com 2005 Lotus Elise (all kinds of potential) 2001 Celica drag car 666whp 2ZZ @ 30psi / 10.9@140 at 28psi / 202mph @ 25psi in the standing mile 2000 Celica GT-S 412whp with MWR turbo @ 16psi and stock engine / 550whp with MWR turbo @ 26psi on 93 octane - 11.5@129 on 93 octane 2001 MR2-S turbo - 508 whp - 10.85@130
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I saw 0 knock even with an occasional boost spike to 26psi at lower RPM. I tune conservatively and the turbo system is extremely efficient. I don't like water injection (or alky injection) so none of our cars have it.
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Matt @ Monkeywrench http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com 2005 Lotus Elise (all kinds of potential) 2001 Celica drag car 666whp 2ZZ @ 30psi / 10.9@140 at 28psi / 202mph @ 25psi in the standing mile 2000 Celica GT-S 412whp with MWR turbo @ 16psi and stock engine / 550whp with MWR turbo @ 26psi on 93 octane - 11.5@129 on 93 octane 2001 MR2-S turbo - 508 whp - 10.85@130
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Stock 6-speed trans, LSD, RPS MAX Street
The manifold was made here, we've been making the long tube equal length units for a while now. Several people are running them. I engineered the shorty manifold you saw (I assume it's the one you're talking about) and there's more science in it that you can probably see by looking at it. It's not equal length but still works extremely well. That's the one that made 412whp on the stock engine. Very quick spool and great efficiency on the top end. I'd still be running it but we needed to build a new manifold for the new turbo. The engine we're running is NOT sleeved, and has the Mahle 9:1 pistons. Like I tell people, we don't just sell this stuff we test it too. No mass produced turbo kit yet, we're still building them in-house to customer orders and tuning them here. There are a couple of big changes in the works that may make the off-the-shelf turbo kit a possibility. I absolutely do not want to go down that road unless we do it 100% right and at the moment we can only do that by performing the install and tune in-house.
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Matt @ Monkeywrench http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com 2005 Lotus Elise (all kinds of potential) 2001 Celica drag car 666whp 2ZZ @ 30psi / 10.9@140 at 28psi / 202mph @ 25psi in the standing mile 2000 Celica GT-S 412whp with MWR turbo @ 16psi and stock engine / 550whp with MWR turbo @ 26psi on 93 octane - 11.5@129 on 93 octane 2001 MR2-S turbo - 508 whp - 10.85@130
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I've considered going to a new manifold/turbo/downpipe setup and then just modifying my existing IC pipe to line up with the new turbo. Is that the type of thing you can offer on a special order basis?
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What do you think the car would have made with the stock pistons running at the same boost with the downpipe valve open? Would it still hold up to the 24 psi?! |
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Matt @ Monkeywrench http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com 2005 Lotus Elise (all kinds of potential) 2001 Celica drag car 666whp 2ZZ @ 30psi / 10.9@140 at 28psi / 202mph @ 25psi in the standing mile 2000 Celica GT-S 412whp with MWR turbo @ 16psi and stock engine / 550whp with MWR turbo @ 26psi on 93 octane - 11.5@129 on 93 octane 2001 MR2-S turbo - 508 whp - 10.85@130
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BTW, new top 10.... 1. monkeywrench...........505 whp 2. george.d...................438 whp 3. fraugts.....................424 whp 4. Smaay......................351 whp 5. soceur......................350 whp 6. DanVVTL-i.................342 whp 7. c2gas.......................340 whp 8. Reyzin.......................309 whp 9. Keyshawn..................267 whp 10. Red-one...................260 whp |
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[quote=Jesse IL]
No offense, but you've been "about to turbo" your car since like 2005. I lost track of the number of threads you've made where you claimed to be about to pull the trigger. QUOTE] I understand what you're saying, but i think you've been misunderstanding what i've been saying. I can't remember every single post that i've ever made, which is something you can obviously do and for that i tip my hat to you. Now, i'm sure i've posted a LOT of threads and questions, but i'm pretty sure that somewhere in the threads where i asked a lot of questions about turbos, i've said something along the lines of "I'm looking into getting a turbo" which means i'm doing my research and trying to learn about all my options, what i should get, etc, The only time that i can remember saying anything even remotely close to "Hey, guys, i'm definately a turbo next week!" was when i actually thought that i was going to buy a turbo. Everybody's been saying that you need roughly $8k to turbo your car properly and i actually had the $8k so i thought i was going to get it, but due to reasons that im not going to get into right now, i had to put my plans on hold. so i apologize for making so many threads with questions about getting a turbo, but i've come to notice that i usually learn when i ask questions, and there's no such thing as a stupid question when it comes to an $8k investment. so, if asking questions is the only way i know how to learn more about the things i want to learn, then ill continue to ask questions, if you don't mind. |
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I thought I was the only one who had ever looked at that.Quote:
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