Celica GTS 189whp *New Dyno*

Redliner9k · 07-09-2007, 10:34 PM

Went back to the dyno with a couple of changes made to the car (changed over to an Injen CAI and re-did the exhaust) and came up with some great gains. The mods of the Celica are as followed:

- Injen CAI
- TRD Shorty Header
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust (No Cat) with Magnaflow resonator and muffler
- Apex-i Power FC

Lift is not at 5600rpm and pulls like a mad man to it;s peak power at 8000rpm. We will soon do another slight change to the intake and hope to hit 190whp+. After that is cams (already bought and waiting to be put in), springs and oil pump gear and HELLO 200whp and 9000rpm redline

Hope you guys like the results.

Tuned by RED Tuning

GTsRasta · 07-09-2007, 10:52 PM

Nice work!!! Now come to the states!!!

Redliner9k · 07-09-2007, 11:00 PM

I'm going to Florida possibly in September to tune a XRS with Hydra.

TRlPPlN · 07-09-2007, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

I'm going to Florida possibly in September to tune a XRS with Hydra.

damn and how much do you charge??

Redliner9k · 07-09-2007, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRlPPlN

damn and how much do you charge??

The guy is paying for my plane ticket and place to stay, tuning is FREE.

blitzceli · 07-09-2007, 11:07 PM

Thats some nice gains.

**vehicle_5** · 07-09-2007, 11:09 PM

Is it possible to see those kind of numbers on a GT? Without switching to a 2ZZ.

blitzceli · 07-09-2007, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vehicle_5

Is it possible to see those kind of numbers on a GT? Without switching to a 2ZZ.

if you boost it... It will be near impossible to do it NA, not to mention it will be more costly. I think mwr built a gt a while ago that made 166 whp @ 6300 rpm ,143 wtq @ 5600 rpm and
130 wtq 2800-6700 rpm.

Celicahzn · 07-10-2007, 12:04 AM

na will surpass 200whp yes

Zyth01 · 07-10-2007, 12:07 AM

Damn, thats puttin the stank on it

ZaneMan · 07-10-2007, 12:14 AM

Beautiful

Jesse IL · 07-10-2007, 05:10 AM

Nice work, Red. Looks like you got all the issues with the PFC ironed out. Just wanted to clarify this statement:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

Lift is not at 5600rpm

From that graph it appears that lift is at 5600 rpm?

many · 07-10-2007, 05:15 AM

If you change the valve springs ...you need to upgrade the valves...or else they will mushroom(it happened to one of our cars).
Great numbers BTW.

**Boosted2.0** · 07-10-2007, 06:52 AM

Nice - Looks like ditching the cat really wakes up that TRD shorty header

**GSBoek** · 07-10-2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse IL

Nice work, Red. Looks like you got all the issues with the PFC ironed out. Just wanted to clarify this statement:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

Lift is not at 5600rpm

From that graph it appears that lift is at 5600 rpm?

I'm sure he meant to write "Lift is now at 5600rpm"

Nice work Red. So if one day I get this far, if I pay your ticket and stay for Curaçao you'll tune mine free? LOL

celicajonz · 07-10-2007, 07:30 AM

awesome work RED!

Haulin · 07-10-2007, 08:19 AM

Beautiful numbers.

GTsRasta · 07-10-2007, 08:42 AM

Will you have to pull the engine out to install valves, valve springs, and the oil pump gear? I was thinking about doing this as well to reach more power.

I was also considering to upgrade the bearings since WAR had his fail when he was tuning his 2zz swapped turbo'd MR2 beast up past 9,000 rpm on a dyno. The bearings install would have to have the motor pulled right?

**GSBoek** · 07-10-2007, 08:48 AM

^Yep, for the headwork only, the block could have stayed in, but for the bearings definitely need to pull the engine.

youngxlos · 07-10-2007, 08:53 AM

wow great work Red, i am sure you could break the 200s with the cams.

Celicasaur · 07-10-2007, 08:58 AM

wow, red' thats amazing - top marks my friend

...and i'm paticularly impressed with the results because i've got those 4 mods upstairs in my bedroom

killer2239 · 07-10-2007, 09:05 AM

Not bad at all, i bet the TRD header provided more of the 7600+

Redliner9k · 07-10-2007, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSBoek

I'm sure he meant to write "Lift is now at 5600rpm"

Nice work Red. So if one day I get this far, if I pay your ticket and stay for Curaçao you'll tune mine free? LOL

Yes, I meant to say "Lift is NOW at 5600rpm"

GSBoek, if you pay my ticket and a place to stay I'll tune your car for free.

JesseIlL: I sent you an email last night, let me know if you got it.

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

jst07 · 07-10-2007, 10:16 AM

Nice work man. This gives me some hope to be right behind you in power output once I get my powerFC tuned. I have some similar mods give and take, no header, but instead a kazuma.

Quick question: is this a daily safe streetable tune, or is this just a balls out agressive tune for the best number?

vegeta4ss · 07-10-2007, 10:21 AM

great work.

killer2239 · 07-10-2007, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jst07

Nice work man. This gives me some hope to be right behind you in power output once I get my powerFC tuned. I have some similar mods give and take, no header, but instead a kazuma.

Quick question: is this a daily safe streetable tune, or is this just a balls out agressive tune for the best number?

Red tunes for power with some safety, its probably a tune for 93 or 94 octane gas and he probably is running AFR at 13.0:1

VoodooTRD · 07-10-2007, 10:24 AM

wow sweet numbers!!! almost 200 n/a!

jst07 · 07-10-2007, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killer2239

Red tunes for power with some safety, its probably a tune for 93 or 94 octane gas and he probably is running AFR at 13.0:1

I wish I could get 93 octane here

All I can get is 91.

Zyth01 · 07-10-2007, 10:40 AM

What is the advantage of the Injen CAI over the usual ebay CAI?

03GTSTRD · 07-10-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

Went back to the dyno with a couple of changes made to the car (changed over to an Injen CAI and re-did the exhaust) and came up with some great gains. The mods of the Celica are as followed:

- Injen CAI
- TRD Shorty Header
- Custom 2.5" Exhaust (No Cat) with Magnaflow resonator and muffler
- Apex-i Power FC

Lift is not at 5600rpm and pulls like a mad man to it;s peak power at 8000rpm. We will soon do another slight change to the intake and hope to hit 190whp+. After that is cams (already bought and waiting to be put in), springs and oil pump gear and HELLO 200whp and 9000rpm redline

Hope you guys like the results.

Tuned by RED Tuning

Those numbers are awesome man. You are without a doubt one of the best tuners on this site. Great work Redliner9K.

Jesse IL · 07-10-2007, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

JesseIlL: I sent you an email last night, let me know if you got it.

Internet is getting installed at my new place this Thursday. I need to catch up on some stuff for you and Smaay.

Redliner9k · 07-10-2007, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse IL

Internet is getting installed at my new place this Thursday. I need to catch up on some stuff for you and Smaay.

Sounds good, thanks.

ACE0000 · 07-10-2007, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyth01

What is the advantage of the Injen CAI over the usual ebay CAI?

I belive most ebay CAI are AEM replicas so they are better at lower and mid-range power... if you want high end gains the Injen is made for that, and works very well when tuned. However they probably have some Injen replicas floating around on Ebay so as far as the difference between them and the Injen CAI, nothing really but brand name.

**Illusive** · 07-10-2007, 11:57 AM

nice work, is it just me or is the TRD shorty header loosing 8hp from 8k to 8300?

If I remember on our dynos like 2 years ago we'd get a 4hp loss from 8-8600 on the stock header.

has this car had lots of time spent tuning this area?

Redliner9k · 07-10-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illusive

nice work, is it just me or is the TRD shorty header loosing 8hp from 8k to 8300?

If I remember on our dynos like 2 years ago we'd get a 4hp loss from 8-8600 on the stock header.

has this car had lots of time spent tuning this area?

The tune in that area is pretty much optimized for the time being. I know I've heard the TRD shorty loosing power over the stock header, but the TRD seems to be working good enough for now. Don't know how much more we could gain by going to a P&P stock header.

Ch33z · 07-10-2007, 12:10 PM

hey wanna share us ur map

youngxlos · 07-10-2007, 02:23 PM

^^^^ oh yeah i forgot about that. please do so if you can

Redliner9k · 07-10-2007, 02:59 PM

I know you guys would like the maps, but I can't release them. The customer has paid alot of money to reach this #'s paying me and paying for dyno time for me to just give them out.

What I CAN tell you guys is that to reach this #'s all you need to do is use Jesse's latest NA basemap and work your AFR and ignition timing. His VVT map is right on par to mine with only slight changes made to it. My map is pretty much an optimized map suited to the cars setup using Jesse's map as a basemap.

Hope you guys can understand.

kortik · 07-10-2007, 05:57 PM

wow this could happen on matrix too right?
except this needs to be done w/Hydra right?

Redliner9k · 07-10-2007, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kortik

wow this could happen on matrix too right?
except this needs to be done w/Hydra right?

In theory yes.

kortik · 07-10-2007, 06:59 PM

is the person in Florida owns matrix by a chance?

Redliner9k · 07-10-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kortik

is the person in Florida owns matrix by a chance?

Nope, its a Corolla XRS.

TRT_Performance · 07-10-2007, 08:49 PM

Congrats! Those are killer numbers. Sent you a PM.

Ch33z · 07-10-2007, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

I know you guys would like the maps, but I can't release them. The customer has paid alot of money to reach this #'s paying me and paying for dyno time for me to just give them out.

What I CAN tell you guys is that to reach this #'s all you need to do is use Jesse's latest NA basemap and work your AFR and ignition timing. His VVT map is right on par to mine with only slight changes made to it. My map is pretty much an optimized map suited to the cars setup using Jesse's map as a basemap.

Hope you guys can understand.

True but Jesse also spend a lot of his time and work into the basemap that you guys used. Like his map you also did some tuning to suit your car and thats what i want to do. I want to use your map as a base map and tune it to suit my car so its not like im or we just taking the map from your customer. We just need a better base map to tune it to our cars.

Redliner9k · 07-10-2007, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ch33z

True but Jesse also spend a lot of his time and work into the basemap that you guys used. Like his map you also did some tuning to suit your car and thats what i want to do. I want to use your map as a base map and tune it to suit my car so its not like im or we just taking the map from your customer. We just need a better base map to tune it to our cars.

Thing is my map is not a basemap. A basemap is a map in which you run conservative #'s in order for the car to get safely to a dyno facility so you may then tune it to your needs. My map is a optimized, balls out map tuned for this certain Celica to achieve max gains. Jesse's map in the other hands is a base map ready to be tuned to your needs.

GTsRasta · 07-10-2007, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

The guy is paying for my plane ticket and place to stay, tuning is FREE.

It looks like you'll be getting a NY vacation one day

.

Ch33z · 07-10-2007, 09:29 PM

hey its cool if you dont want to share the map i understand but im just sayin that every map needs tuning to its specific vehicle.

LightningRod · 07-10-2007, 09:31 PM

Wow, nice!

Redliner9k · 07-10-2007, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTsRasta

It looks like you'll be getting a NY vacation one day

.

... like its my job.

**Boosted2.0** · 07-11-2007, 12:13 PM

Cut red some slack I used to get all anal about giving maps out too when I first started tuning and then I eventually just said whatever and I give them out freely now as long as the customer that paid for it approves.

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07-09-2007, 10:34 PM	#1
Redliner9k RED Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,441 iTrader: (4)	Celica GTS 189whp New Dyno Went back to the dyno with a couple of changes made to the car (changed over to an Injen CAI and re-did the exhaust) and came up with some great gains. The mods of the Celica are as followed: - Injen CAI - TRD Shorty Header - Custom 2.5" Exhaust (No Cat) with Magnaflow resonator and muffler - Apex-i Power FC Lift is not at 5600rpm and pulls like a mad man to it;s peak power at 8000rpm. We will soon do another slight change to the intake and hope to hit 190whp+. After that is cams (already bought and waiting to be put in), springs and oil pump gear and HELLO 200whp and 9000rpm redline Hope you guys like the results. Tuned by RED Tuning __________________ "Live For Lift"

07-09-2007, 10:52 PM	#2
GTsRasta Future 2ZZ-GZE member... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Meadow, NY Posts: 4,123 iTrader: (3)	Nice work!!! Now come to the states!!! __________________ 03 Celica GT-S, 6 Speed Manual, Carbon Blue >=) Performance Mods: eBay Intake, TWM Short Shifter, Kumosport Shifter Base Bushings

07-09-2007, 11:00 PM	#3
Redliner9k RED Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,441 iTrader: (4)	I'm going to Florida possibly in September to tune a XRS with Hydra. __________________ "Live For Lift"

07-09-2007, 11:07 PM	#6
blitzceli Running about my Midship Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 5,566 iTrader: (99)	Thats some nice gains.

07-09-2007, 11:09 PM	#7
vehicle_5 RedRolla Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 2,509 iTrader: (20)	Is it possible to see those kind of numbers on a GT? Without switching to a 2ZZ. __________________ I have a car... but it broke.

07-10-2007, 12:04 AM	#9
Celicahzn Witegts Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,002 iTrader: (15)	na will surpass 200whp yes __________________

07-10-2007, 12:14 AM	#11
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07-10-2007, 05:15 AM	#13
many 220 is next Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montreal/Quebec/CANADA Posts: 3,127 iTrader: (6)	If you change the valve springs ...you need to upgrade the valves...or else they will mushroom(it happened to one of our cars). Great numbers BTW. __________________ ^^Thinking of Selling^^

07-10-2007, 06:52 AM	#14
Boosted2.0 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 13,600 iTrader: (15)	Nice - Looks like ditching the cat really wakes up that TRD shorty header __________________ Now offering: 2ZZ Performance Intake Manifold \| 2ZZ Ported Headers \| 2ZZ Ported Cylinder Heads \| PowerFC Harnesses for DBW and Auto 2ZZ \| MR2 Spyder 2ZZ Swap Kits \| Engine Builds \| Turbo / Supercharger installation \| Tuning Sales Inquiries: Sales@DDPerformanceResearch.com Technical Inquiries: Technical@DDPerformanceResearch.com

07-10-2007, 08:19 AM	#17
Haulin K20Z1 Canuck Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,483 iTrader: (0)	Beautiful numbers.

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GTsRasta Future 2ZZ-GZE member... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Meadow, NY Posts: 4,123 iTrader: (3)	Will you have to pull the engine out to install valves, valve springs, and the oil pump gear? I was thinking about doing this as well to reach more power. I was also considering to upgrade the bearings since WAR had his fail when he was tuning his 2zz swapped turbo'd MR2 beast up past 9,000 rpm on a dyno. The bearings install would have to have the motor pulled right? __________________ 03 Celica GT-S, 6 Speed Manual, Carbon Blue >=) Performance Mods: eBay Intake, TWM Short Shifter, Kumosport Shifter Base Bushings

07-10-2007, 08:48 AM	#19
GSBoek Newcelica daycare Join Date: May 2006 Location: All around the world Posts: 13,058 iTrader: (3)	^Yep, for the headwork only, the block could have stayed in, but for the bearings definitely need to pull the engine. __________________ 2000 GT-S: SRI, Ported IM & Head, MWR Valves, ARP Studs, ES inserts, Ported Header, Custom Exhaust, 215/45R17. 1998 Camry: 2.2L of plain vanilla grocery getting fury. 1984 Toyota Crown: 6M-GE swap in progress. 3" Intake, Ported TB, P&P Head, Pacesetter Header, Custom Exhaust. 2010 Yaris sedan: Work dog (emphasis on dog) that is a rat favorite.

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youngxlos GT2860RS Inside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lorton, VA Posts: 6,579 iTrader: (36)	wow great work Red, i am sure you could break the 200s with the cams. __________________ 2ZZ-GTE in the works

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07-10-2007, 08:58 AM	#21
Celicasaur 213WHP N/A 2zz Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: London Posts: 4,250 iTrader: (20)	wow, red' thats amazing - top marks my friend ...and i'm paticularly impressed with the results because i've got those 4 mods upstairs in my bedroom __________________ Need Denso 440cc injectors for your N/A beast? I'm your man. Celicasaur wishlist for 2010: Boosted2.0 Race IM By a new damn front lip! C-One short ratio gears Direct-Port Nitrous - 100 shot Goals for 2010: 225whp N/A - 400whp with nitrous

07-10-2007, 09:05 AM	#22
killer2239 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 361 iTrader: (0)	Not bad at all, i bet the TRD header provided more of the 7600+ __________________ 05 XRS, Intake, Exhaust, TWM SS, Tein S.Techs, Progress RSB, ES Motor Mounts, 17" RH Evolution wheels, Bored Throttle, Fidanza, Exedy, Hydra EMS, 182whp w/ lift 5500rpm.

07-10-2007, 10:16 AM	#24
jst07 00 GT-S Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lincoln, NE 68510 Posts: 521 iTrader: (2)	Nice work man. This gives me some hope to be right behind you in power output once I get my powerFC tuned. I have some similar mods give and take, no header, but instead a kazuma. Quick question: is this a daily safe streetable tune, or is this just a balls out agressive tune for the best number? __________________ 2000 Red GT-S 6spd Centerline Wheels / Eagle GS-D3s / Injen CAI / TRD Kazuma / TRD Springs / S2K Antenna WTB: Absolutely Red Raised Hood Scoop

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VoodooTRD McLovin Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: BFE, CA Posts: 1,950 iTrader: (21)	wow sweet numbers!!! almost 200 n/a! __________________ JPL?

07-10-2007, 11:57 AM	#34
Illusive Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3,105 iTrader: (0)	nice work, is it just me or is the TRD shorty header loosing 8hp from 8k to 8300? If I remember on our dynos like 2 years ago we'd get a 4hp loss from 8-8600 on the stock header. has this car had lots of time spent tuning this area? __________________ Tech Inquiries: Technical@DDPerformanceResearch.com Sales Inquiries: Sales@DDPerformanceResearch.com Email: JasonG@DDPerformanceResearch.com 02 Celica GT-S R.I.P.8.831@79.8mph (best 1/8 in Celica) 05 Obsidian Black Pearl WRX STI (Best 1/8 in STI 8.11 @ 84.5 mph i/e)

07-10-2007, 12:10 PM	#36
Ch33z Im Rick James Bitch! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Durango, CO - Dallas, TX Posts: 4,042 iTrader: (72)	hey wanna share us ur map __________________

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07-10-2007, 02:59 PM	#38
Redliner9k RED Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,441 iTrader: (4)	I know you guys would like the maps, but I can't release them. The customer has paid alot of money to reach this #'s paying me and paying for dyno time for me to just give them out. What I CAN tell you guys is that to reach this #'s all you need to do is use Jesse's latest NA basemap and work your AFR and ignition timing. His VVT map is right on par to mine with only slight changes made to it. My map is pretty much an optimized map suited to the cars setup using Jesse's map as a basemap. Hope you guys can understand. __________________ "Live For Lift"

07-10-2007, 05:57 PM	#39
kortik Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle,WA Posts: 2,898 iTrader: (2)	wow this could happen on matrix too right? except this needs to be done w/Hydra right? __________________ 05 Matrix XRS Indigo Ink Pearl Progress RSB, TRD STB, Custom Borla 2.5" Exhaust, PPE header, Tein SS, TWM SS, Injen CAI, JDM helical LSD from spyder, RPS Max/Street, C-One Type R Flywheel, ES Motor Mounts, 18" Volks GT-S, HYDRA EMS

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kortik Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle,WA Posts: 2,898 iTrader: (2)	is the person in Florida owns matrix by a chance? __________________ 05 Matrix XRS Indigo Ink Pearl Progress RSB, TRD STB, Custom Borla 2.5" Exhaust, PPE header, Tein SS, TWM SS, Injen CAI, JDM helical LSD from spyder, RPS Max/Street, C-One Type R Flywheel, ES Motor Mounts, 18" Volks GT-S, HYDRA EMS

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TRT_Performance 040 Superwhite BEAST Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arecibo, PR Posts: 588 iTrader: (5)	Congrats! Those are killer numbers. Sent you a PM.

07-10-2007, 09:29 PM	#47
Ch33z Im Rick James Bitch! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Durango, CO - Dallas, TX Posts: 4,042 iTrader: (72)	hey its cool if you dont want to share the map i understand but im just sayin that every map needs tuning to its specific vehicle. __________________

07-10-2007, 09:31 PM	#48
LightningRod is back from the dead Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Simi Valley, California Posts: 4,720 iTrader: (11)	Wow, nice!

07-11-2007, 12:13 PM	#50
Boosted2.0 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 13,600 iTrader: (15)	Cut red some slack I used to get all anal about giving maps out too when I first started tuning and then I eventually just said whatever and I give them out freely now as long as the customer that paid for it approves. __________________ Now offering: 2ZZ Performance Intake Manifold \| 2ZZ Ported Headers \| 2ZZ Ported Cylinder Heads \| PowerFC Harnesses for DBW and Auto 2ZZ \| MR2 Spyder 2ZZ Swap Kits \| Engine Builds \| Turbo / Supercharger installation \| Tuning Sales Inquiries: Sales@DDPerformanceResearch.com Technical Inquiries: Technical@DDPerformanceResearch.com

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