Some info on Piper cams stage 2 and 3 +Ragnoracks.

many · 10-10-2007, 06:45 PM

OK we found that the Ragnorack Race cams have the same stamping on the side: BP320 as the stage 3 cams from Piper.
The only thing is, that Brett(ragnorack) once told us that he had them custom made to his specs.....but that was (maybe) bull$hit as we have no clue and no cam doctor to find out for sure if he had made a special grind just for him.
Anyways ...after tearing up the engine and replacing the valves ...just as we where reinstalling the VVTL sprocket, it wasn't fully getting in...and as much as we tried it was a hair off.
Then we tried it on another sprocket that was apart and we could see that the cam sprocket wasn't getting in either.
We had to slightly grind some material off to have it fully sit in, and this fixed the problem.
This was on 240MAX(Herman) car.

Now back to my engine build....
As I was about to put in the VVTL sprocket today( I have Piper Stage 2 cams)..surprise surprise the sprocket didn't fit....So I took a used sprocket and took it apart so we can see better...

and the same sprocket on the stock cam...

I measured the lip(I have no clue what you call this part) on Pipers cam.. and I get: 0.635"

and stock the stock cam I get: 0.628"

So we have a difference of 0.007", enough so it doesn't fit properly.
This might make the VVT not working properly as the oil pressure might be escaping from the side.
This explains the first Dynos we did on the RR cams (2 hours of dyno tuning) and as much as we played with the VVTL nothing was happening.

We think the stage 2 and 3 have a slight manufacturing flaw....but we haven't measured or retested any other cam to be 100% shure about it.

Now there has been a lot of Piper cams that have been sold, and I have yet to hear of this.
Any feedback from Piper cam owners?
are you shure your vvt is working?

Redliner9k · 10-10-2007, 07:03 PM

We got our Stage 3's yesterday. We'll be installing them very soon, I'll keep you posted on any problems we encounter.

GTsRasta · 10-10-2007, 07:27 PM

Holy shyt...that's not good. NICE CATCH!!!

**Boosted2.0** · 10-10-2007, 07:35 PM

Huh - I will have to measure the set I have here. How would you not have caught the cam sprocket not fully seated and also the chain not lining up? I would think taht would have been pretty obvious.

many · 10-10-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

Huh - I will have to measure the set I have here. How would you not have caught the cam sprocket not fully seated and also the chain not lining up? I would think taht would have been pretty obvious.

Not if it's just a hair off, you just need a bit not properly seated and you wouldn't have full pressure in the vvt.

Another thing we measured the small lobe on the stage 2 and 3 and they have exactly the same lift and only differ on the big cam(obviously).
Then why(I'm speculating), if the small lobes are the same then take look at MWR dyno:

Why did they loose power on the small lobe?
Is it possible that the VVT wasn't working as it was supposed to?

JO_CELICA · 10-10-2007, 10:00 PM

does it work or not?

youngxlos · 10-10-2007, 10:35 PM

thanks for the pix Many, i send a link of the pix to my shop so that they can make sure they install it right.

kortik · 10-11-2007, 12:21 AM

interesting. Redliner didn't you have problems w/pipers stg2? I don't remember what the specific problem was but something similar wasn't it?

drewd · 10-11-2007, 03:59 AM

Interesting.. the stage 2 crower cams for the 1zz are also slightly larger..

paras211 · 10-11-2007, 06:37 AM

stage 2 crower dont fit right on the 1zz??

jcanracer · 10-11-2007, 07:51 AM

yeah paras, the crowers were a bit large for the vvti sprocket, it took some coaxing to get in (hint: rubber mallet). Whats up with these aftermarket cam makers?

FITGT · 10-11-2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JO_CELICA

does it work or not?

You will get a CEL 1349. If the VVTI is not working.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewd

Interesting.. the stage 2 crower cams for the 1zz are also slightly larger..

yeh true.

paras211 · 10-11-2007, 12:15 PM

jcan i ll be getting cams in mid november . stage 2
can i expect an explanation that i could provide my tuner with .this will be the first corolla worked on my him and i supposer mine will be the fastest in the country. there is one more turbo rolla but its an automatic and hes running stock internals and safe boost.
thanks

danGTS · 10-11-2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JO_CELICA

does it work or not?

Yes! (read 240max trials at the track). However, you need to remove a lil bit of material from the piper shaft to have your vvt work properly. Many and 240max tested 1 stage 2 and one stage 3 cam and both had the problem. I am pretty sure my stage 2 will have the same problem as well as (most likely) all other piper cams .. Be careful!!

danGTS · 10-11-2007, 12:34 PM

I don't know about the vvt not working on MWR dyno of stage 3. Why was it working on stage 2 then?? Not all cams have that problem possibly!!?? who knows!! It's most likely another factor. On the big lobe though, it is possible that the longer duration of stage 3 cams were more or less impacted by the vvt not responding properly ..

jcanracer · 10-11-2007, 05:51 PM

Paras, I'll PM you so we dont hijack this thread.

2000TRDSC · 10-11-2007, 07:00 PM

I have the Ragnorak Cams in my Celica with upgraded Valve springs from MWR and it all runs great. I was never really sure how much power they gave me because I installed the Cams with my Blitz SC. However, I did replace the shims on installation.

240MAX · 10-12-2007, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000TRDSC

I have the Ragnorak Cams in my Celica with upgraded Valve springs from MWR and it all runs great. I was never really sure how much power they gave me because I installed the Cams with my Blitz SC. However, I did replace the shims on installation.

do you have the street cam or race cams from RR and do you dyno it before or after. on the side off the cams do you see a borroring (punch) from piper...it will be print in the cams bp285 or bp320.....thank and soory for my english

GTsRasta · 10-12-2007, 09:56 AM

He told me he went with the street cams when I saw him at HIN here in NY. He also said that he could've gotten away with the race cams if he wanted to.

**monkeywrench** · 10-12-2007, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by many

MWR dyno:

Why did they loose power on the small lobe?
Is it possible that the VVT wasn't working as it was supposed to?

Variation of 1% between different pulls on a dyno is still very good. We didn't "lose power", it just happened to be slightly lower on that pull. If VVT wasn't working the curve would be a very different shape. The car was warmer, colder, whatever.

We've never seen any VVT issues with the Pipers. If the fit is too tight that would just make install more difficult. If it didn't fully seat it would be very obvious. I did that tuning and can tell you the VVT responded as it's supposed to.

Celicasaur · 10-12-2007, 06:04 PM

paras211 · 10-13-2007, 01:01 AM

sorry for thread jacking

hey matt i need some advice if i should go for stage 2 or stage 3 cams on my 1zz corolla. i am going to get a stand alone and spring n retainers for sure .but that is bout all i can afford at the moment. later in the future(1 yr later) i ll be going for better rods n other internals
btw this is a daily drive.

drewd · 10-13-2007, 02:21 AM

DE DE DEEE
FIT and I tried to explain the vvt-i problem but whatever..

**Boosted2.0** · 10-13-2007, 03:14 PM

I measured the stage 3s I have for Badcelis car today and it came up on the brink between 0.630" and 0.629"

Should fit fine. I'll just toss the cam in the freezer for a few hours before I install the VVTI actuator.

GTsRasta · 10-13-2007, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

I measured the stage 3s I have for Badcelis car today and it came up on the brink between 0.630" and 0.629"

Should fit fine. I'll just toss the cam in the freezer for a few hours before I install the VVTI actuator.

SMART!!!

**Boosted2.0** · 10-13-2007, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTsRasta

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

I measured the stage 3s I have for Badcelis car today and it came up on the brink between 0.630" and 0.629"

Should fit fine. I'll just toss the cam in the freezer for a few hours before I install the VVTI actuator.

SMART!!!

Ovens and freezers are your friend. Guys have been doing that to install pres fit components when they didn't have a press for years and years.

kortik · 10-14-2007, 01:42 AM

really?
wow that cool cold shrinks hot expands LOL

grumpy · 10-14-2007, 08:08 AM

Dry-ice is your friend if you have a supplier near you. The metal will screech or vibrate sometimes when you first drop it on the ice. Don't use with light delicate parts though. Make sure you wear heavy gloves. It is so cold it will "burn" you.

There is an ice cream maker near me who uses dri-ice in the delivery trucks instead of freezers in the trucks. They make dri-ice almost every day. They always have extra you can buy.

many · 10-14-2007, 10:59 AM

I'm down at 0.632 sanding it for about 1 hour yesterday with grit 600 paper ... I'll give a bit more sanding later on and do you're trick..thanks for the tip Boosted!

ZaneMan · 10-14-2007, 02:46 PM

All the safeways around my house actaully sell dry ice year round so you could just try one of those if you need some.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpy

Dry-ice is your friend if you have a supplier near you. The metal will screech or vibrate sometimes when you first drop it on the ice. Don't use with light delicate parts though. Make sure you wear heavy gloves. It is so cold it will "burn" you.

There is an ice cream maker near me who uses dri-ice in the delivery trucks instead of freezers in the trucks. They make dri-ice almost every day. They always have extra you can buy.

22xy · 10-14-2007, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpy

Dry-ice is your friend if you have a supplier near you. The metal will screech or vibrate sometimes when you first drop it on the ice. Don't use with light delicate parts though. Make sure you wear heavy gloves. It is so cold it will "burn" you.

There is an ice cream maker near me who uses dri-ice in the delivery trucks instead of freezers in the trucks. They make dri-ice almost every day. They always have extra you can buy.

This is why it's good to work in science. Why mess around with that solid CO2 namby pamby stuff when you can get some liquid N2.

grumpy · 10-14-2007, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22xy

This is why it's good to work in science. Why mess around with that solid CO2 namby pamby stuff when you can get some liquid N2.

You Mad Doctors get all the fun stuff to play with.

FITGT · 10-14-2007, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22xy

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpy

Dry-ice is your friend if you have a supplier near you. The metal will screech or vibrate sometimes when you first drop it on the ice. Don't use with light delicate parts though. Make sure you wear heavy gloves. It is so cold it will "burn" you.

There is an ice cream maker near me who uses dri-ice in the delivery trucks instead of freezers in the trucks. They make dri-ice almost every day. They always have extra you can buy.

This is why it's good to work in science. Why mess around with that solid CO2 namby pamby stuff when you can get some liquid N2.

Once you start to mess around with liquid N2 are you worried about making the metal more brittle?

drewd · 10-14-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

I measured the stage 3s I have for Badcelis car today and it came up on the brink between 0.630" and 0.629"

Should fit fine. I'll just toss the cam in the freezer for a few hours before I install the VVTI actuator.

Dam, good thinking!

**adosdrummer** · 10-15-2007, 06:37 AM

alright guys, i piad a visit to LR and we ran into some problems with the piper stg 2.
getting the vvt thing on the intake shaft fit pretty well. no sanding neccesary. so when we finally got the motor back to running, we drove around. well vvt wasnt working and lift would only go to 7. so we wen back to his place and we pulled the cams out and we found some junk in the cams. (teflon tape) so he cleaned out the inside of the cams and sure enough some junk came out. so he then proceeded to openeing the vvt mechanism, and he cleaned that out. he put it back together and then it ran like a champ. no problems whatsoever. the motor pulls strong down low and pulls alot harder in lift. this mod was well worth the money. and i have no regrets.
drivability is much better and the rev range is alot smoother.
that is my only mod besides taking out the butterfly valve. so the cams sound stock. except around 4 to 8.4 it sounds more throaty.

**Boosted2.0** · 10-15-2007, 12:38 PM

So there was crap in the cams when they came from piper eh?

who the hell puts teflon tape inside a cam?

GTsRasta · 10-15-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adosdrummer

alright guys, i piad a visit to LR and we ran into some problems with the piper stg 2.
getting the vvt thing on the intake shaft fit pretty well. no sanding neccesary. so when we finally got the motor back to running, we drove around. well vvt wasnt working and lift would only go to 7. so we wen back to his place and we pulled the cams out and we found some junk in the cams. (teflon tape) so he cleaned out the inside of the cams and sure enough some junk came out. so he then proceeded to openeing the vvt mechanism, and he cleaned that out. he put it back together and then it ran like a champ. no problems whatsoever. the motor pulls strong down low and pulls alot harder in lift. this mod was well worth the money. and i have no regrets.
drivability is much better and the rev range is alot smoother.
that is my only mod besides taking out the butterfly valve. so the cams sound stock. except around 4 to 8.4 it sounds more throaty.

Interesting...do you think you could've gotten away with the stage 3 race cams? 2000TRDSC thinks he could've with his PFC tuned, Blitz supercharged setup. Are you using the stock ECU?

**adosdrummer** · 10-15-2007, 01:59 PM

yep, completly stock, pulls like a champ. and all the stock shimings were withen spec, but we changed them out so they would be closer together...i do believe...lol

many · 10-15-2007, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adosdrummer

alright guys, i piad a visit to LR and we ran into some problems with the piper stg 2.
getting the vvt thing on the intake shaft fit pretty well. no sanding neccesary. so when we finally got the motor back to running, we drove around. well vvt wasnt working and lift would only go to 7. so we wen back to his place and we pulled the cams out and we found some junk in the cams. (teflon tape) so he cleaned out the inside of the cams and sure enough some junk came out. so he then proceeded to openeing the vvt mechanism, and he cleaned that out. he put it back together and then it ran like a champ. no problems whatsoever. the motor pulls strong down low and pulls alot harder in lift. this mod was well worth the money. and i have no regrets.
drivability is much better and the rev range is alot smoother.
that is my only mod besides taking out the butterfly valve. so the cams sound stock. except around 4 to 8.4 it sounds more throaty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

So there was crap in the cams when they came from piper eh?

who the hell puts teflon tape inside a cam?

After reading this I went back and removed the cams and removed the end stud/bolt that blocks the inner oil passage(on the stock cams it's a pressed-in metal plug). ...and surprise ....I also had Teflon tape and black "stuff" that came out.

I re-cleaned the threads with a tap and put high temperature thread sealant(from Permatex)......Makes you wonder what the hell is going on at Pipers headquarters.

youngxlos · 10-15-2007, 05:31 PM

ill have to get my shop to take a look at this as well.

**Boosted2.0** · 10-15-2007, 05:49 PM

Yeah I talked to LR today - he said there was machining debris all through the cam center and in the VVTi controller as well. For anyone that will be installing these themselves - it is important that you flush not ONLY the main bore of the cam behind the blug, but also the VVTi passages at the front of the cam as they are not connected to the main oil passage and are also likely to ocntain debris.

What pisses me off about this is I paid like $700 for my set of HKS cams for the alltrac and they were PERFECT - not even a spec of debris on them. For what piper charges they could at least clean the damn things.

In light of this I think I'll be getting the break in coating on the cams going in Badcelis car.

kortik · 10-15-2007, 09:36 PM

you were planing to coat cams as well?

**Boosted2.0** · 10-15-2007, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kortik

you were planing to coat cams as well?

I wasn't before but I am now. Its just a break in coating to keep the lobes from getting damaged if any weirdness happens during initial break in operation. Thats the time when cams are most likely to sustain damage.

**adosdrummer** · 10-16-2007, 07:48 AM

i think lr saide something about my cams might have a special coating on them to help them break in.... so boosted2.0, call him up and ask him.

kortik · 10-16-2007, 07:50 AM

what kind of coating?

danGTS · 10-16-2007, 08:28 AM

Crap, another problem. At the least, they have been proven to work on 240 max so working the cams seems worth it ..

It' s creazy how we need to check everything that is after market for the celica ..

Thx again for the tip boosted!

**Boosted2.0** · 10-16-2007, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kortik

what kind of coating?

Its similar to a dry film lubricant but its designed to wear off pretty quickly. Its basically there to keep the cam lobes lubricated. Its somehting they can do at Polydyn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danGTS

Crap, another problem. At the least, they have been proven to work on 240 max so working the cams seems worth it ..

It' s creazy how we need to check everything that is after market for the celica ..

Thx again for the tip boosted!

np

Celicasaur · 10-16-2007, 02:31 PM

Blimey...I'm just glad you guys are all nice enough to share this info with the rest of the community, so thankyou from me

fadedtrends · 10-16-2007, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22xy

This is why it's good to work in science. Why mess around with that solid CO2 namby pamby stuff when you can get some liquid N2.

um I can go and pick up liquid N2 as well, some people use is as an alternative to branding cattle with a hot iron, I myself have nothing to do with cows other than when they end up on my plate, but none the less tomorrow I could go down and pick some up and spray it on small children, or parts that don't fit properly

edge · 10-19-2007, 03:31 AM

man this is crazy, ud think that a company that makes hundredes of cams for all makes of cars would know better! i wonder how many cars are having issues with the cams after install!

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10-10-2007, 06:45 PM	#1
many 220 is next Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montreal/Quebec/CANADA Posts: 3,126 iTrader: (6)	Some info on Piper cams stage 2 and 3 +Ragnoracks. OK we found that the Ragnorack Race cams have the same stamping on the side: BP320 as the stage 3 cams from Piper. The only thing is, that Brett(ragnorack) once told us that he had them custom made to his specs.....but that was (maybe) bull$hit as we have no clue and no cam doctor to find out for sure if he had made a special grind just for him. Anyways ...after tearing up the engine and replacing the valves ...just as we where reinstalling the VVTL sprocket, it wasn't fully getting in...and as much as we tried it was a hair off. Then we tried it on another sprocket that was apart and we could see that the cam sprocket wasn't getting in either. We had to slightly grind some material off to have it fully sit in, and this fixed the problem. This was on 240MAX(Herman) car. Now back to my engine build.... As I was about to put in the VVTL sprocket today( I have Piper Stage 2 cams)..surprise surprise the sprocket didn't fit....So I took a used sprocket and took it apart so we can see better... and the same sprocket on the stock cam... I measured the lip(I have no clue what you call this part) on Pipers cam.. and I get: 0.635" and stock the stock cam I get: 0.628" So we have a difference of 0.007", enough so it doesn't fit properly. This might make the VVT not working properly as the oil pressure might be escaping from the side. This explains the first Dynos we did on the RR cams (2 hours of dyno tuning) and as much as we played with the VVTL nothing was happening. We think the stage 2 and 3 have a slight manufacturing flaw....but we haven't measured or retested any other cam to be 100% shure about it. Now there has been a lot of Piper cams that have been sold, and I have yet to hear of this. Any feedback from Piper cam owners? are you shure your vvt is working? __________________ ^^Thinking of Selling^^

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jcanracer TheRedMatrix Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Miami FL Posts: 297 iTrader: (0)	yeah paras, the crowers were a bit large for the vvti sprocket, it took some coaxing to get in (hint: rubber mallet). Whats up with these aftermarket cam makers? __________________

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paras211 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: india Posts: 49 iTrader: (0)	jcan i ll be getting cams in mid november . stage 2 can i expect an explanation that i could provide my tuner with .this will be the first corolla worked on my him and i supposer mine will be the fastest in the country. there is one more turbo rolla but its an automatic and hes running stock internals and safe boost. thanks

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danGTS Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 3,456 iTrader: (5)	I don't know about the vvt not working on MWR dyno of stage 3. Why was it working on stage 2 then?? Not all cams have that problem possibly!!?? who knows!! It's most likely another factor. On the big lobe though, it is possible that the longer duration of stage 3 cams were more or less impacted by the vvt not responding properly .. __________________ Best E.T. (i/e/DR only) : 13.96 @ 102.1 mph; Best 1/8 : 8.95

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2000TRDSC Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New York Posts: 472 iTrader: (1)	Ragnorak Cams I have the Ragnorak Cams in my Celica with upgraded Valve springs from MWR and it all runs great. I was never really sure how much power they gave me because I installed the Cams with my Blitz SC. However, I did replace the shims on installation. __________________

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paras211 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: india Posts: 49 iTrader: (0)	sorry for thread jacking hey matt i need some advice if i should go for stage 2 or stage 3 cams on my 1zz corolla. i am going to get a stand alone and spring n retainers for sure .but that is bout all i can afford at the moment. later in the future(1 yr later) i ll be going for better rods n other internals btw this is a daily drive.

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Boosted2.0 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 13,599 iTrader: (15)	I measured the stage 3s I have for Badcelis car today and it came up on the brink between 0.630" and 0.629" Should fit fine. I'll just toss the cam in the freezer for a few hours before I install the VVTI actuator. __________________ Now offering: 2ZZ Performance Intake Manifold \| 2ZZ Ported Headers \| 2ZZ Ported Cylinder Heads \| PowerFC Harnesses for DBW and Auto 2ZZ \| MR2 Spyder 2ZZ Swap Kits \| Engine Builds \| Turbo / Supercharger installation \| Tuning Sales Inquiries: Sales@DDPerformanceResearch.com Technical Inquiries: Technical@DDPerformanceResearch.com

10-14-2007, 01:42 AM	#27
kortik Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle,WA Posts: 2,898 iTrader: (2)	really? wow that cool cold shrinks hot expands LOL __________________ 05 Matrix XRS Indigo Ink Pearl Progress RSB, TRD STB, Custom Borla 2.5" Exhaust, PPE header, Tein SS, TWM SS, Injen CAI, JDM helical LSD from spyder, RPS Max/Street, C-One Type R Flywheel, ES Motor Mounts, 18" Volks GT-S, HYDRA EMS

10-14-2007, 08:08 AM	#28
grumpy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 201 iTrader: (0)	Dry-ice is your friend if you have a supplier near you. The metal will screech or vibrate sometimes when you first drop it on the ice. Don't use with light delicate parts though. Make sure you wear heavy gloves. It is so cold it will "burn" you. There is an ice cream maker near me who uses dri-ice in the delivery trucks instead of freezers in the trucks. They make dri-ice almost every day. They always have extra you can buy. __________________ Worlds first Rotrexed 2zz Spyder. Thanks Bill (WEB3.0) 311 RWHP 198 RWTQ It's great being blown.

10-14-2007, 10:59 AM	#29
many 220 is next Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montreal/Quebec/CANADA Posts: 3,126 iTrader: (6)	I'm down at 0.632 sanding it for about 1 hour yesterday with grit 600 paper ... I'll give a bit more sanding later on and do you're trick..thanks for the tip Boosted! __________________ ^^Thinking of Selling^^

10-15-2007, 06:37 AM	#35
adosdrummer jesuslovesmecrowd Join Date: May 2007 Location: houston tx Posts: 1,609 iTrader: (0)	alright guys, i piad a visit to LR and we ran into some problems with the piper stg 2. getting the vvt thing on the intake shaft fit pretty well. no sanding neccesary. so when we finally got the motor back to running, we drove around. well vvt wasnt working and lift would only go to 7. so we wen back to his place and we pulled the cams out and we found some junk in the cams. (teflon tape) so he cleaned out the inside of the cams and sure enough some junk came out. so he then proceeded to openeing the vvt mechanism, and he cleaned that out. he put it back together and then it ran like a champ. no problems whatsoever. the motor pulls strong down low and pulls alot harder in lift. this mod was well worth the money. and i have no regrets. drivability is much better and the rev range is alot smoother. that is my only mod besides taking out the butterfly valve. so the cams sound stock. except around 4 to 8.4 it sounds more throaty.

10-15-2007, 12:38 PM	#36
Boosted2.0 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 13,599 iTrader: (15)	So there was crap in the cams when they came from piper eh? who the hell puts teflon tape inside a cam? __________________ Now offering: 2ZZ Performance Intake Manifold \| 2ZZ Ported Headers \| 2ZZ Ported Cylinder Heads \| PowerFC Harnesses for DBW and Auto 2ZZ \| MR2 Spyder 2ZZ Swap Kits \| Engine Builds \| Turbo / Supercharger installation \| Tuning Sales Inquiries: Sales@DDPerformanceResearch.com Technical Inquiries: Technical@DDPerformanceResearch.com

10-15-2007, 01:59 PM	#38
adosdrummer jesuslovesmecrowd Join Date: May 2007 Location: houston tx Posts: 1,609 iTrader: (0)	yep, completly stock, pulls like a champ. and all the stock shimings were withen spec, but we changed them out so they would be closer together...i do believe...lol

10-15-2007, 05:31 PM	#40
youngxlos GT2860RS Inside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lorton, VA Posts: 6,579 iTrader: (36)	ill have to get my shop to take a look at this as well. __________________ 2ZZ-GTE in the works

10-15-2007, 05:49 PM	#41
Boosted2.0 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 13,599 iTrader: (15)	Yeah I talked to LR today - he said there was machining debris all through the cam center and in the VVTi controller as well. For anyone that will be installing these themselves - it is important that you flush not ONLY the main bore of the cam behind the blug, but also the VVTi passages at the front of the cam as they are not connected to the main oil passage and are also likely to ocntain debris. What pisses me off about this is I paid like $700 for my set of HKS cams for the alltrac and they were PERFECT - not even a spec of debris on them. For what piper charges they could at least clean the damn things. In light of this I think I'll be getting the break in coating on the cams going in Badcelis car. __________________ Now offering: 2ZZ Performance Intake Manifold \| 2ZZ Ported Headers \| 2ZZ Ported Cylinder Heads \| PowerFC Harnesses for DBW and Auto 2ZZ \| MR2 Spyder 2ZZ Swap Kits \| Engine Builds \| Turbo / Supercharger installation \| Tuning Sales Inquiries: Sales@DDPerformanceResearch.com Technical Inquiries: Technical@DDPerformanceResearch.com

10-15-2007, 09:36 PM	#42
kortik Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle,WA Posts: 2,898 iTrader: (2)	you were planing to coat cams as well? __________________ 05 Matrix XRS Indigo Ink Pearl Progress RSB, TRD STB, Custom Borla 2.5" Exhaust, PPE header, Tein SS, TWM SS, Injen CAI, JDM helical LSD from spyder, RPS Max/Street, C-One Type R Flywheel, ES Motor Mounts, 18" Volks GT-S, HYDRA EMS

10-16-2007, 07:48 AM	#44
adosdrummer jesuslovesmecrowd Join Date: May 2007 Location: houston tx Posts: 1,609 iTrader: (0)	i think lr saide something about my cams might have a special coating on them to help them break in.... so boosted2.0, call him up and ask him.

10-16-2007, 07:50 AM	#45
kortik Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle,WA Posts: 2,898 iTrader: (2)	what kind of coating? __________________ 05 Matrix XRS Indigo Ink Pearl Progress RSB, TRD STB, Custom Borla 2.5" Exhaust, PPE header, Tein SS, TWM SS, Injen CAI, JDM helical LSD from spyder, RPS Max/Street, C-One Type R Flywheel, ES Motor Mounts, 18" Volks GT-S, HYDRA EMS

10-16-2007, 08:28 AM	#46
danGTS Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 3,456 iTrader: (5)	Crap, another problem. At the least, they have been proven to work on 240 max so working the cams seems worth it .. It' s creazy how we need to check everything that is after market for the celica .. Thx again for the tip boosted! __________________ Best E.T. (i/e/DR only) : 13.96 @ 102.1 mph; Best 1/8 : 8.95

10-16-2007, 02:31 PM	#48
Celicasaur 213WHP N/A 2zz Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: London Posts: 4,250 iTrader: (20)	Blimey...I'm just glad you guys are all nice enough to share this info with the rest of the community, so thankyou from me __________________ Need Denso 440cc injectors for your N/A beast? I'm your man. Celicasaur wishlist for 2010: Boosted2.0 Race IM By a new damn front lip! C-One short ratio gears Direct-Port Nitrous - 100 shot Goals for 2010: 225whp N/A - 400whp with nitrous Last edited by Celicasaur : 10-16-2007 at 03:32 PM.

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