**NEW** PPE Header Results

Redliner9k · 12-07-2007, 10:01 PM

Well, last time we went to the dyno to check the gains with the PPE header we left pretty with the results. 8whp is pretty nice.... if it were the true gains of the header. The next day we continued to hear a slight leak that we had heard the night prior on the dyno, but ignored. Hold and behold, we went to check it out and this is what we found out....

The flex pipe shrunk for some reason to 1" in diameter from it;s original 2.5" diameter. That being fixed (removed it

) we went back to the see if it gained anymore and O'happy day it did. Here are the results...

12whp gain and 8 lbs torque

. Test were done in a 2005 Corolla XRS with Injen CAI, PPE header, 2.5" Crush bent exhaust and decat. Both runs on the stock ECU, no tuning whatsoever.

So who wants another GB?

Magusownz · 12-07-2007, 10:08 PM

Sick, good gains throughout the entire RPM range as well. See ya soon

oONoGoAutoOo · 12-07-2007, 10:13 PM

nice gains!

Punkers7465 · 12-07-2007, 10:21 PM

12whp gain over the crappy corolla manifold correct? Nice gains though!

TRlPPlN · 12-07-2007, 10:27 PM

WTF...why would the flex pipe shrink?!?! is that going to be an issue for all of us who ordered this header? since you removed the flex pipe, isnt there a good chance that part of that header is going to crack?

oh thats some crazy gains!!

youngxlos · 12-07-2007, 10:40 PM

damn wtf, i am going to have to check mine and see if i have the same thing.

GTsRasta · 12-07-2007, 11:09 PM

You are the man redliner!

celicajonz · 12-07-2007, 11:15 PM

oh very nice!

but sucks if this is going to be an issue with people that orderd the flex pipe.

ZaneMan · 12-08-2007, 01:31 AM

Have you let Paul know? They have a 180 day warrenty.

kortik · 12-08-2007, 02:51 AM

what the hell is the flex pipe? I am sorry but I am a not good in english

ZaneMan · 12-08-2007, 02:56 AM

wtf kortik you've never had a problem befor. The flex pipe is a woven pipe of stainless steel that allows the exhuast some flex so there is less stress on the header.

StraightXrs · 12-08-2007, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punkers7465

12whp gain over the crappy corolla manifold correct? Nice gains though!

if by crappy corolla header you are referring to the same header that is on the gts and the same header that, until ppe, nobody has been able to make one that makes more power than stock.... than yes the crappy corolla header

**bloodytiger** · 12-08-2007, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StraightXrs

if by crappy corolla header you are referring to the same header that is on the gts and the same header that, until ppe, nobody has been able to make one that makes more power than stock.... than yes the crappy corolla header

Celicasaur · 12-08-2007, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StraightXrs

if by crappy corolla header you are referring to the same header that is on the gts and the same header that, until ppe, nobody has been able to make one that makes more power than stock.... than yes the crappy corolla header

But um, awesome results on the PPE header!!! Bit worrying though about this flex pipe...

Ch33z · 12-08-2007, 09:54 AM

So would it be wise to weld a pipe in place of the flexpipe instead? i havent install the PPE header yet and dont want to have the same problem as you did Redliner.

dannysgtcel · 12-08-2007, 10:14 AM

i've never heard of a flex pipe shrinking before i hope it was just a flawed one.just check your flex pipe if you have one guys,better safe than sorry.

many · 12-08-2007, 10:17 AM

Great results!!

But I think we're going to see more flex failures in the future...any one having a header that is that long and has stock engine mounts should worry about this.

You're best bet would be to get the Energy suspension urethane fillers in the OEM engine mounts.

Ryude · 12-08-2007, 10:23 AM

All flexpipes will crack under excessive movement. Mine did, because I had worn out motor mounts on my MR2.

Punkers7465 · 12-08-2007, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StraightXrs

if by crappy corolla header you are referring to the same header that is on the gts and the same header that, until ppe, nobody has been able to make one that makes more power than stock.... than yes the crappy corolla header

I thought the corolla's and matrix's had different manifolds than the celica's? Or maybe it was just the 1zz corollas/matrix's? Can someone back me up here?

Ryude · 12-08-2007, 11:15 AM

The GT-S header is exactly the same as the XRS. The GT however has a much different design.

Also, it's quite normal for flex pipes to shrink down about half of an inch in the middle of the flex section.

GT_RyderZ · 12-08-2007, 05:23 PM

how did you find out about the flex pipe? was it shrunk from the inside or out? i have to check mine tomorrow but don't want to remove it.

Vroom_Vroom · 12-08-2007, 10:28 PM

Hes got the dough for a ppe race header but not enough to purchase a mandrel bent exhaust?????oh well nice gains none the less.

Redliner9k · 12-08-2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vroom_Vroom

Hes got the dough for a ppe race header but not enough to purchase a mandrel bent exhaust?????oh well nice gains none the less.

He's had that exhaust from like 2 years ago and it's worked fine for him, just because he bought a PPE header doesn't mean he will go out a make a mandrel bent exhaust just to please you.

About the flex pipe issue, I believe this is just a freak one of a kind. We stumble unto this when we started hearing a leak and it was coming from the flex pipe. We decided to take out and check it out and it had shrunk. So if anyone got a slight leak from there flex pipe might want to take it out and replace with another flex pipe. Also remember this things are covered under warranty from PPE.

danGTS · 12-08-2007, 11:41 PM

Good gains!!!
However, 3 more WHP and like 1.5 more torque on a dyno can be considered as a non conclusive gain imo, especially on different days (I am comparing with the earlier dyno with PPE made by redliner). Still, good gains everywhere which makes it a good header so far. It sounds promising! I hope the gains are still there with PFC and build head ..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punkers7465

I thought the corolla's and matrix's had different manifolds than the celica's? Or maybe it was just the 1zz corollas/matrix's? Can someone back me up here?

Intake manifold are definitely not the same for 2zz corolla/matrix vs 2zz celica. I don't know about the header though, but it seems like it is the same ...

Redliner9k · 12-09-2007, 12:10 AM

^^
Intake manifolds ARE the same. The only thing that changes is that in the Matrix/Corolla the TB flange is angled upwards and in the Celica GTS it's straight. Same performance, just the way the TB is angled because of clearance issues in the Matrix/Corolla chassis.

All 2zz headers are the same. This includes the Celica, Matrix, and Corolla.

**jlitman** · 12-09-2007, 01:08 AM

Very interesting. I'll have to check this as well.

If it happens, would the best solution be to weld in a piece of solid pipe or replace with another flex section.

Would something that sounds like a slight hiss from the back be a symptiom of this -- just noticed this tonight, but I'm not sure if it's just my fuel pump, which is quite noisy.

Ryude · 12-09-2007, 09:35 AM

A properly matched intake manifold would unlock alot of power with the PPE header. You could probably reach 200whp with just I/IM/H/E. People underestimate the IM.

Vroom_Vroom · 12-09-2007, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

He's had that exhaust from like 2 years ago and it's worked fine for him, just because he bought a PPE header doesn't mean he will go out a make a mandrel bent exhaust just to please you.

About the flex pipe issue, I believe this is just a freak one of a kind. We stumble unto this when we started hearing a leak and it was coming from the flex pipe. We decided to take out and check it out and it had shrunk. So if anyone got a slight leak from there flex pipe might want to take it out and replace with another flex pipe. Also remember this things are covered under warranty from PPE.

If it works then thats great, I would just think that a mandrel bent exhaust would make better gains vs a crush bent.

danGTS · 12-09-2007, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

^^
Intake manifolds ARE the same. The only thing that changes is that in the Matrix/Corolla the TB flange is angled upwards and in the Celica GTS it's straight. Same performance, just the way the TB is angled because of clearance issues in the Matrix/Corolla chassis.

All 2zz headers are the same. This includes the Celica, Matrix, and Corolla.

Then, the vibe gt must have a different intake manifold compared to the Matrix/corolla ... cause the one I got with my used engine has definitely more differences then just an angle of TB ... The size of the reservoir can't compare.

Redliner9k · 12-09-2007, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danGTS

Then, the vibe gt must have a different intake manifold compared to the Matrix/corolla ... cause the one I got with my used engine has definitely more differences then just an angle of TB ... The size of the reservoir can't compare.

Pictures please because all the Vibe GT's 2zz's Ive seen are all the same as the another 2zz IM. Some other differences from the Matrix/Corolla and the Celica IM (especially the 2000-2002 ones) is the material used (thinner and smoother surface on the Celica IM's) and the Corolla/Matrix IM are a 2-piece designed unlike the early Celica pieces which are 1 piece.

Celicasaur · 12-09-2007, 03:31 PM

lol, this is going just a BIT off-topic now

GTsRasta · 12-09-2007, 08:07 PM

Hey redliner, I revived the interest for the PPE race header for the Lotus guys, and the tester gave in his car today

:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44878

Make sure they get good results! haha

ACE0000 · 12-09-2007, 08:37 PM

12 whp gains un-tuned is really nice, I really want one now... I especially like the fact that the power is gained through the entire powerband even in the mid-range where it really needs it.

**jlitman** · 12-09-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTsRasta

Hey redliner, I revived the interest for the PPE race header for the Lotus guys, and the tester gave in his car today

:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44878

Make sure they get good results! haha

Wow, so that douche Vortex still scoffs, eh?

Yeah, they pissed me off so much I decided not to bother.

I'm pretty much done with good deeds. Too much hassle and I tend to receive more fvck you's than thanks.

After all, I have one, so why do I care if a bunch of fvckheads driving an overpriced rollerskate get to have one too?

Ryude · 12-09-2007, 10:53 PM

The Elise is overrated anyway. I used to think they looked good but after seeing a few in person I think they look weird.

lpphreakx06 · 12-09-2007, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlitman

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTsRasta

Hey redliner, I revived the interest for the PPE race header for the Lotus guys, and the tester gave in his car today

:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44878

Make sure they get good results! haha

Wow, so that douche Vortex still scoffs, eh?

Yeah, they pissed me off so much I decided not to bother.

I'm pretty much done with good deeds. Too much hassle and I tend to receive more fvck you's than thanks.

After all, I have one, so why do I care if a bunch of fvckheads driving an overpriced rollerskate get to have one too?

+1 for thanks

Nice gains red.

danGTS · 12-10-2007, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redliner9k

Pictures please because all the Vibe GT's 2zz's Ive seen are all the same as the another 2zz IM. Some other differences from the Matrix/Corolla and the Celica IM (especially the 2000-2002 ones) is the material used (thinner and smoother surface on the Celica IM's) and the Corolla/Matrix IM are a 2-piece designed unlike the early Celica pieces which are 1 piece.

I will post pix when I have a chance to have a look at it. I'll check again, I might have made a mistake, but I am pretty sure the size are different .. It is definitely the 2 parts design.

back to the topic! That thing would look nice under my car

**Boosted2.0** · 12-10-2007, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punkers7465

12whp gain over the crappy corolla manifold correct? Nice gains though!

Corolla XRS uses the same header as the Celica GTS. Its the 1ZZ Corolla that has the phenominal turd of a header.

Ryude · 12-10-2007, 09:29 AM

The matrix does too, and the IM is made out of plastic lol.

**Boosted2.0** · 12-10-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryude

The matrix does too, and the IM is made out of plastic lol.

The matrix 1ZZ yes. The XRS was a GTS header and a metal intake

Most if not all of Toyotas cars use plastic intake manifolds now.

many · 12-10-2007, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlitman

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTsRasta

Hey redliner, I revived the interest for the PPE race header for the Lotus guys, and the tester gave in his car today

:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44878

Make sure they get good results! haha

Wow, so that douche Vortex still scoffs, eh?

Yeah, they pissed me off so much I decided not to bother.

I'm pretty much done with good deeds. Too much hassle and I tend to receive more fvck you's than thanks.

After all, I have one, so why do I care if a bunch of fvckheads driving an overpriced rollerskate get to have one too?

That A$$ twit has always been like that....on every god damn new thread he likes to bash at it....dont let him get to you....he probably has a hard time getting it up or had a hard time in high school and is now hitting at everything that moves.

ZaneMan · 12-10-2007, 06:48 PM

What you did was for the community, of course some of us will be A holes but the majority is thankful, unfortunalty those jerks spout off a bunch of bull while the rest just sit by the wayside. For every jerk there is probably 20 thankful people its just harder to tell.

**jlitman** · 12-10-2007, 08:23 PM

^^^ Thanks -- but, let's just say it'll be a while before I feel motivated to start up another community-minded project.

Hopefully other creative folks will be inspired by the sucess of the PPE header project and develop some new items... (now, what might I know but not be telling...

)

Celicasaur · 12-13-2007, 11:16 AM

Hey, Red, was the initial run done with the cat in place and then removed for the ppe header (so, both mods done at the same time), or was it 12whp gained from JUST the header onto an already decatted motor?

zero2toy · 12-13-2007, 12:07 PM

**Boosted2.0** · 12-13-2007, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlitman

^^^ Thanks -- but, let's just say it'll be a while before I feel motivated to start up another community-minded project.

Hopefully other creative folks will be inspired by the sucess of the PPE header project and develop some new items... (now, what might I know but not be telling...

)

Hey you're lucky - all it cost you was a little time and a little stress.

**jlitman** · 12-13-2007, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlitman

^^^ Thanks -- but, let's just say it'll be a while before I feel motivated to start up another community-minded project.

Hopefully other creative folks will be inspired by the sucess of the PPE header project and develop some new items... (now, what might I know but not be telling...

)

Hey you're lucky - all it cost you was a little time and a little stress.

I know I'm being overly whiny -- but in my defense, these just aren't the sorts of projects I usually take on. The development of car parts, even as the "project coordinator", just aint my balliwick.

And dealing with customers --- urgh... not for me either.

More power to those who have the patience for such things. I prefer to study people rather than cater to their wishes.

(Whining concludes)

Redpunk · 12-13-2007, 02:24 PM

time to start 2nd 2zz PPE Header GB

Redliner9k · 12-13-2007, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celicasaur

Hey, Red, was the initial run done with the cat in place and then removed for the ppe header (so, both mods done at the same time), or was it 12whp gained from JUST the header onto an already decatted motor?

12whp from just installing the header. The car was with a de-cat on the baseline run.

Redpunk · 12-13-2007, 09:11 PM

I am serious, when are you guys going to make an other GB?

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12-07-2007, 10:01 PM	#1
Redliner9k RED Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,441 iTrader: (4)	NEW PPE Header Results Well, last time we went to the dyno to check the gains with the PPE header we left pretty with the results. 8whp is pretty nice.... if it were the true gains of the header. The next day we continued to hear a slight leak that we had heard the night prior on the dyno, but ignored. Hold and behold, we went to check it out and this is what we found out.... The flex pipe shrunk for some reason to 1" in diameter from it;s original 2.5" diameter. That being fixed (removed it ) we went back to the see if it gained anymore and O'happy day it did. Here are the results... 12whp gain and 8 lbs torque . Test were done in a 2005 Corolla XRS with Injen CAI, PPE header, 2.5" Crush bent exhaust and decat. Both runs on the stock ECU, no tuning whatsoever. So who wants another GB? __________________ "Live For Lift"

12-07-2007, 10:08 PM	#2
Magusownz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 401 iTrader: (0)	Sick, good gains throughout the entire RPM range as well. See ya soon __________________ Looks stock to me. Baby on board crew member #2!

12-07-2007, 10:21 PM	#4
Punkers7465 I hate winter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tallmadge, Ohio Posts: 1,355 iTrader: (5)	12whp gain over the crappy corolla manifold correct? Nice gains though! __________________ 14.6@96 with stock ecu, $200 in power mod's, and a crappy 2.4 60ft

12-07-2007, 10:13 PM	#3
oONoGoAutoOo JuiceBoxed³ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 19,599 iTrader: (22)	nice gains!

12-07-2007, 10:27 PM	#5
TRlPPlN im a looser Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bay Area, Cali. Posts: 6,660 iTrader: (19)	WTF...why would the flex pipe shrink?!?! is that going to be an issue for all of us who ordered this header? since you removed the flex pipe, isnt there a good chance that part of that header is going to crack? oh thats some crazy gains!! __________________ "Trend" It's okay if you follow it. "If you ain't stickin out you missin out."

12-07-2007, 10:40 PM	#6
youngxlos GT2860RS Inside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lorton, VA Posts: 6,579 iTrader: (36)	damn wtf, i am going to have to check mine and see if i have the same thing. __________________ 2ZZ-GTE in the works

12-07-2007, 11:09 PM	#7
GTsRasta Future 2ZZ-GZE member... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Meadow, NY Posts: 4,123 iTrader: (3)	You are the man redliner! __________________ 03 Celica GT-S, 6 Speed Manual, Carbon Blue >=) Performance Mods: eBay Intake, TWM Short Shifter, Kumosport Shifter Base Bushings

12-08-2007, 01:31 AM	#9
ZaneMan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Aloha, OR Posts: 1,251 iTrader: (6)	Have you let Paul know? They have a 180 day warrenty.

12-08-2007, 02:51 AM	#10
kortik Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle,WA Posts: 2,898 iTrader: (2)	what the hell is the flex pipe? I am sorry but I am a not good in english __________________ 05 Matrix XRS Indigo Ink Pearl Progress RSB, TRD STB, Custom Borla 2.5" Exhaust, PPE header, Tein SS, TWM SS, Injen CAI, JDM helical LSD from spyder, RPS Max/Street, C-One Type R Flywheel, ES Motor Mounts, 18" Volks GT-S, HYDRA EMS

12-08-2007, 02:56 AM	#11
ZaneMan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Aloha, OR Posts: 1,251 iTrader: (6)	wtf kortik you've never had a problem befor. The flex pipe is a woven pipe of stainless steel that allows the exhuast some flex so there is less stress on the header.

12-08-2007, 09:54 AM	#15
Ch33z Im Rick James Bitch! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Durango, CO - Dallas, TX Posts: 4,042 iTrader: (72)	So would it be wise to weld a pipe in place of the flexpipe instead? i havent install the PPE header yet and dont want to have the same problem as you did Redliner. __________________

12-08-2007, 10:14 AM	#16
dannysgtcel Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: OC-SOCAL Posts: 693 iTrader: (3)	i've never heard of a flex pipe shrinking before i hope it was just a flawed one.just check your flex pipe if you have one guys,better safe than sorry.

12-08-2007, 10:17 AM	#17
many 220 is next Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montreal/Quebec/CANADA Posts: 3,128 iTrader: (6)	Great results!! But I think we're going to see more flex failures in the future...any one having a header that is that long and has stock engine mounts should worry about this. You're best bet would be to get the Energy suspension urethane fillers in the OEM engine mounts. __________________ ^^Thinking of Selling^^

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12-08-2007, 10:23 AM	#18
Ryude Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ponchatoula, Louisiana Posts: 634 iTrader: (0)	All flexpipes will crack under excessive movement. Mine did, because I had worn out motor mounts on my MR2. __________________ Cosmo Racing CAI = $120 Ported Header = Free 2.5" Straight Pipe = $100 Vibrant Resonator = $70 Borla 2.25" Axleback = $380 Hondata IMG = $50 186whp Now on nitrous with completely stripped interior...

12-08-2007, 11:15 AM	#20
Ryude Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ponchatoula, Louisiana Posts: 634 iTrader: (0)	The GT-S header is exactly the same as the XRS. The GT however has a much different design. Also, it's quite normal for flex pipes to shrink down about half of an inch in the middle of the flex section. __________________ Cosmo Racing CAI = $120 Ported Header = Free 2.5" Straight Pipe = $100 Vibrant Resonator = $70 Borla 2.25" Axleback = $380 Hondata IMG = $50 186whp Now on nitrous with completely stripped interior...

12-08-2007, 05:23 PM	#21
GT_RyderZ revv lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 1,066 iTrader: (9)	how did you find out about the flex pipe? was it shrunk from the inside or out? i have to check mine tomorrow but don't want to remove it. __________________ 03 GT-S 6speed ultimate sleeper in retirement. \|AEM\|\|TRD\|\|C-One\|\|PPE Header\|\|LSD\|

12-08-2007, 10:28 PM	#22
Vroom_Vroom Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,964 iTrader: (1)	Hes got the dough for a ppe race header but not enough to purchase a mandrel bent exhaust?????oh well nice gains none the less. __________________ Need your car detailed?? PM ME!

12-09-2007, 12:10 AM	#25
Redliner9k RED Tuning Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,441 iTrader: (4)	^^ Intake manifolds ARE the same. The only thing that changes is that in the Matrix/Corolla the TB flange is angled upwards and in the Celica GTS it's straight. Same performance, just the way the TB is angled because of clearance issues in the Matrix/Corolla chassis. All 2zz headers are the same. This includes the Celica, Matrix, and Corolla. __________________ "Live For Lift"

12-09-2007, 01:08 AM	#26
jlitman (Anti)Social Psychologist Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 11,034 iTrader: (39)	Very interesting. I'll have to check this as well. If it happens, would the best solution be to weld in a piece of solid pipe or replace with another flex section. Would something that sounds like a slight hiss from the back be a symptiom of this -- just noticed this tonight, but I'm not sure if it's just my fuel pump, which is quite noisy. __________________ 2010 Fairlady Z34

12-09-2007, 09:35 AM	#27
Ryude Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ponchatoula, Louisiana Posts: 634 iTrader: (0)	A properly matched intake manifold would unlock alot of power with the PPE header. You could probably reach 200whp with just I/IM/H/E. People underestimate the IM. __________________ Cosmo Racing CAI = $120 Ported Header = Free 2.5" Straight Pipe = $100 Vibrant Resonator = $70 Borla 2.25" Axleback = $380 Hondata IMG = $50 186whp Now on nitrous with completely stripped interior...

12-09-2007, 03:31 PM	#31
Celicasaur 213WHP N/A 2zz Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: London Posts: 4,250 iTrader: (20)	lol, this is going just a BIT off-topic now __________________ Need Denso 440cc injectors for your N/A beast? I'm your man. Celicasaur wishlist for 2010: Boosted2.0 Race IM By a new damn front lip! C-One short ratio gears Direct-Port Nitrous - 100 shot Goals for 2010: 225whp N/A - 400whp with nitrous

12-09-2007, 08:07 PM	#32
GTsRasta Future 2ZZ-GZE member... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Meadow, NY Posts: 4,123 iTrader: (3)	Hey redliner, I revived the interest for the PPE race header for the Lotus guys, and the tester gave in his car today : http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44878 Make sure they get good results! haha __________________ 03 Celica GT-S, 6 Speed Manual, Carbon Blue >=) Performance Mods: eBay Intake, TWM Short Shifter, Kumosport Shifter Base Bushings

12-09-2007, 08:37 PM	#33
ACE0000 Now on to a real car... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Utica, New York Posts: 663 iTrader: (0)	12 whp gains un-tuned is really nice, I really want one now... I especially like the fact that the power is gained through the entire powerband even in the mid-range where it really needs it.

12-09-2007, 10:53 PM	#35
Ryude Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ponchatoula, Louisiana Posts: 634 iTrader: (0)	The Elise is overrated anyway. I used to think they looked good but after seeing a few in person I think they look weird. __________________ Cosmo Racing CAI = $120 Ported Header = Free 2.5" Straight Pipe = $100 Vibrant Resonator = $70 Borla 2.25" Axleback = $380 Hondata IMG = $50 186whp Now on nitrous with completely stripped interior...

12-10-2007, 09:29 AM	#39
Ryude Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ponchatoula, Louisiana Posts: 634 iTrader: (0)	The matrix does too, and the IM is made out of plastic lol. __________________ Cosmo Racing CAI = $120 Ported Header = Free 2.5" Straight Pipe = $100 Vibrant Resonator = $70 Borla 2.25" Axleback = $380 Hondata IMG = $50 186whp Now on nitrous with completely stripped interior...

12-10-2007, 06:48 PM	#42
ZaneMan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Aloha, OR Posts: 1,251 iTrader: (6)	What you did was for the community, of course some of us will be A holes but the majority is thankful, unfortunalty those jerks spout off a bunch of bull while the rest just sit by the wayside. For every jerk there is probably 20 thankful people its just harder to tell.

12-10-2007, 08:23 PM	#43
jlitman (Anti)Social Psychologist Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 11,034 iTrader: (39)	^^^ Thanks -- but, let's just say it'll be a while before I feel motivated to start up another community-minded project. Hopefully other creative folks will be inspired by the sucess of the PPE header project and develop some new items... (now, what might I know but not be telling... ) __________________ 2010 Fairlady Z34

12-13-2007, 11:16 AM	#44
Celicasaur 213WHP N/A 2zz Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: London Posts: 4,250 iTrader: (20)	Hey, Red, was the initial run done with the cat in place and then removed for the ppe header (so, both mods done at the same time), or was it 12whp gained from JUST the header onto an already decatted motor? __________________ Need Denso 440cc injectors for your N/A beast? I'm your man. Celicasaur wishlist for 2010: Boosted2.0 Race IM By a new damn front lip! C-One short ratio gears Direct-Port Nitrous - 100 shot Goals for 2010: 225whp N/A - 400whp with nitrous

12-13-2007, 12:07 PM	#45
zero2toy 2002 totaled in flood Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicago, Live in Tampa now Posts: 1,094 iTrader: (1)	x2 __________________ Old Silver 02 Celica GTS New: 00 Celica GTS Check out my 2nd place autocross run in my dads Sunbeam Tiger

12-13-2007, 02:24 PM	#48
Redpunk BRK Motorsports Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 2,244 iTrader: (36)	time to start 2nd 2zz PPE Header GB

12-13-2007, 09:11 PM	#50
Redpunk BRK Motorsports Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 2,244 iTrader: (36)	I am serious, when are you guys going to make an other GB?

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