Supercharger FAQ

GTsRasta · Jan 27, 2008

(UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WILL ADD BLITZ, ROTREX, AND TRD OVER TIME.)

What is a supercharger?

A supercharger is a blower that basically boosts air into the motor and makes horsepower when accompanied by a custom tune. But unlike a turbo that utilizes exhaust gases to power itself, superchargers use the engine that it's strapped on to force air into the motors for more power. Thus, it takes a certain amount of HP to get a supercharger going. More details on how a supercharger works can be found here:

Introduction to Superchargers: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/supercharger.htm
Comparative Supercharger Article: http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0802_turp_supercharger_tech/index.html

A) Greddy Supercharger (2ZZ-GE)
(Written and submitted in by GTsRasta)

1) What should I know about the Greddy Supercharger kit?

The Greddy Supercharger is a Eaton type supercharger unit that utilizes the MP62 Magnuson supercharger unit for the 2000-2005 Toyota Celica GTS. Since this was designed for the 2ZZ-GE, this WILL NOT work on the 1ZZ-FE engine. The specs of the MP62 unit can be seen here:

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/mp62.htm

The description of the Greddy supercharger can be best explained from the Greddy website directly:

http://www.greddy.com/products/display/?Category=turbo&SubCategory=17

GReddy Supercharger Kits are complete bolt-on systems. Like our popular turbo kits, the two main keys, which set our kits apart, are proper compressor sizing at a reasonable boost pressure and reliable fuel enrichment though our pre-programmed emanage systems. Having access to various sizes of root-type Magna-Chargers, allows us more options to build force induction kits for vehicles where turbochargers would not be as ideal. By incorporating, an internal by-pass we minimize drag, while fuel tuning is optimized for smooth linear bolt-on power. Also included are the billet pulleys with tensioner, necessary brackets and hardware, as well as our high-flow precision cast aluminum intake manifolds. GReddy Superchargers are enhanced with the use of our GReddy stainless-steel headers and Airinx air intake systems.

If you feel like doing the install yourself, here's the installation guide from the Greddy website, and Hombre's install guide:

http://www.greddy.com/img/PHP/products/pdf/844.pdf

Hombre's Install Guide: http://newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=287084

Here are some pictures of the kit from the "Parts Catalog" section of the site:

All Greddy Supercharger kits come with the Emanage Ultimate piggyback ECU's as the kit's tuning option. What the kit doesn't come with is a Wideband O2 gauge, and a boost gauge. Those two gauges are bare minimums to successfully run this kit well. Also consider that the "most powerful" greddy supercharged owner here, Exotic II, says that purchasing the Greddy MAP sensor and harness are the tricks to making a good tune, and a lot of power out of your setup. If you have an 03+ with DBW, you now have the ability to run the Apexi Power FC standalone ECU like the 00-02 guys, along with being able to use the Hydra EMS. Here's some more info from one of the fastest greddy supercharger owners on the site:

ahnjae said:
Also you should mention the parts needed for the kit to work on an 03-05 GTS DBW. Search my old threads and ive listed all the parts needed.

Edit: (here you go)
Parts needed:
-All new 00-02 Throttle body bolts and nuts (or go to Home Depot and make them yourself)
-00-02 Throttle body gasket (need to remove old 03-05 TB Spacer that has the TB bolts pressed into it)
-if you have an 04-05 GTS then you have to remove or move the air injection system to another location since it will get in the way of the alternator.
-03-05 ECU Wiring Diagram

Here's jlitman's list of suggested parts to purchase:

(1) If keeping greddy (emanage), an OBD II scantool/datalogger that can read/record fueltrims from the ECU (e.g., auterra)

(2) Laptop with appropriate software and connectors (Emanage, PFC, etc) for controlling and datalogging engine management.

(3) Wideband 02 sensor (ideally with a connector for your laptop so you can datalog AFR's)

(4) Boost gauge

(5) 1-2 step colder plugs (e.g., IK22 or IK24)

(6) Time and money for road and dyno tuning

And here's are some more threads that might help you out, especially if you're an 03+ with DBW:

Greddy SC E-manage wiring for 03+: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214670&highlight=greddy
Group Buy - 2003+ GTS DBW Power FC installation kit for big power gains: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=245882&highlight=greddy
GT-S, Greddy Supercharger prep sheet + info: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237558&highlight=Greddy
GReddy Supercharger Install Notes and Pics: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202834&highlight=greddy+pulley+size

2) How much do these Greddy Supercharger kits go for?

It depends. Usually, Greddy supercharger kit prices are never the same over time, and the vendors here may never offer the best deals. The best price results outside of newcelica.org you can get is to type "Greddy Supercharger Celica" on www.froogle.com, click the "High to Low" drop down option for the prices, and see which website offers the best price. More often than not, this method yeilds better results than those selling the kits on eBay. As of right now, here's the best deal, which includes free shipping:

$2,851.99 + FREE SHIPPING: http://www.empowermotors.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1004&currency=USD

3) How much power will I make with the Greddy Supercharger?

Again, this depends on what mods you have, and what type of engine management you have. The average gain on any 2ZZ with this kit is about 30% whp and 25% wtq. The Emanage Ultimate piggyback ECU isn't as versitile as the popular Apexi Power FC standalone ECU, the Hydra standalone ECU, or the AEM standalone ECU. This is especially so since it has to work in conjunction with your stock ECU, and doesn't have the ability to tune VVT-i until it's complemented with the Greddy V-manage VVT-i controlling piggyback ECU. Although nobody has successfully mated the v-manage with a 2ZZ-GE powered vehicle before with full capabilities, it has already been mated to a 1ZZ-FE powered MR2-Spyder successfully. The owner was kind enough to find the VVTL-i equiped engine wiring instructions that seem to utilize the duel VVT-i adapter from the Suburu Impreza WRX STI's V-manage kit:

http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=47254&view=findpost&p=4675942

The average dynos with I/E, or I/H/E mods while tuned on the Emanage Ultimate has been in the 210-220 whp range for 6 speed Celica GTS's. When it comes to Standalone ECU tuned GTS's, they look like they will be in the 230+ whp range after bolt ons. Keep in mind that these numbers can vary by a lot based on the mods (SRI vs. CAI, WI, Standalone ECU, Stock vs. Race Header, Built Engine, Lower Compression, etc). Here's a list of links that either have Greddy Supercharger dynos, or alternative links to how much power they could make in both automatic and manual form:

Automatic:

MonsterHui-
177.6 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3260598&postcount=130
Jlitman-
178.71 > 181.08 > 187.84 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3255782&postcount=12 (??? > CAMCON + SRI > 10.5 PSI Pulley)
193.04 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3394132&postcount=1 (+ Polydyn TX7)
206.72 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3432460&postcount=94 (+ Direct Port Water Injection)
212 whp (Post #232-233): http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=229926&page=5&pp=50 (+ 12 PSI Pulley, & Ronin's Tuning Advice)
222.71 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4056827&postcount=474 (+ Built Motor, ?? PSI Pulley, & Polydyn TX7)

Manual:

milesplume-
206 whp (220 whp Dynapack...): http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=207162&highlight=Greddy
Korben007 (NO DYNO!)-
208 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=211833&highlight=Greddy
Divine shiftey6-
209 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244989&highlight=Greddy
ShadowGT-S-
211.23 whp (229.6 whp Dynapack)- http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3360442&postcount=17 (AEM CAI/TRD Exhaust/Decat/Emanage Ultimate)
stevefox42 (NO DYNO!)-
215 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3155505&postcount=111
imhotep-
215.16 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=238373&highlight=Greddy
elcelicagts-
216.45 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=234232&highlight=Greddy
celicabass-
226.5 whp (246.20 whp Dynapack): http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=217100&highlight=Greddy+dyno
monkeywrench-
230.10 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=227690&highlight=Greddy (AEM CAI/Exhaust/PFC)
236.30 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3362497&postcount=37 (AEM CAI/Trial Header/Exhaust/PFC)
ahnjae (CLICK ME FOR DYNO!)-
239.01 whp (259.80 whp Dynapack): http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3828095&postcount=18
Exotic II (NO DYNO!)-
240 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3749095&postcount=1
235 whp > 258 whp: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3431310&postcount=89
260-265 whp : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3829718&postcount=30

Note that in the single post links, the top right corner has the link for the full thread. For the Dynapack dynos, I either noted that they're Dynapack dynos, or just did a 8% whp loss for comparable whp numbers. If you don't feel like doing ricer math, jlitman found a pretty accurate HP calculator:

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4042948&postcount=473

4) What 1/4 mile times can I expect from this Greddy Supercharger kit?

This is yet another issue that depends on the mods that you have on your vehicle. But what you have to realize is that there's a difference between this question, and the dyno question. This question must put the additonal DRIVER mod up top. Then comes weight reduction, tire selection (Street/Drag Radials/Slicks), rim size/weight, drivetrain layout (Clutch/Flywheel/LSD), and power. Just because X amount of mods with X amount of weight reduction can allow someone to pull off a certain 1/4 mile time doesn't mean you'll be able to hit that as well. The average person who drags their car once in a while will most likely not pull off the same times as seasoned drag racers do. So with that in mind, here's a link with FI drag strip tips, andthe current list of supercharged 1/4 mile times:

Turbo and supercharged drag setup: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=250513

Exotic II-
12.68 @ ??? MPH (POST # 27-38): http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=250216 (+ 11 PSI Pulley, & Snow Performance Water Injection Kit)
Ahnjae-
13.79 @ 106.93 MPH: http://www.newcelica.org/other/tracktimes/view.php?id=387 (+ NOS)
13.52 @ 105.32 MPH: http://www.newcelica.org/other/tracktimes/view.php?id=398 (+ NOS)
13.34 @ 108.36 MPH: http://www.newcelica.org/other/tracktimes/view.php?id=398 (+ NOS)
DYI01-
13.51 @ 104.97 MPH (VERIFIED): http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=256679 (AEM CAI/WR RACE HEADER/KAZUMA/PFC/DR)
13.37 @ 104.61 MPH (VERIFIED): http://www.newcelica.org/other/tracktimes/view.php?id=452 (AEM CAI/WR RACE HEADER/KAZUMA/PFC/DR)

If you see "VERIFIED" by the 1/4 mile time, that means there's a timeslip to accompany that person's claim.

5) What's the best way to tune the Emanage Ultimate piggyback ECU after it's hooked up to our finicky 2ZZ-GE stock ECU's?

This is where jlitman comes in, and where you have to start reading his past posts, along with other information regarding fueling. Make sure to test your Emanage Ultimate first, due to many of them coming with kinks in the initial kits. If you find that your Emanage ultimate doesn't work properly, follow suite with other members and send it back for another unit. The thread at the very top is the most recently made thread, with the most up to date information, and the threads under get older and older:

A) Tuning out Fuel Trims on the Emanage Ultimate (STICKY): http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=264746

B) Suggestions for tuning Greddy S/C with the Emanage Ultimate: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=243762
C) Rev limit cut on Emanage Ultimate works!: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=240691
D) GReddy S/C kit -- eManage info!: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205345
E) Will ECU tune all adjustments over time making EManage tune useless?: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=247014&highlight=emanage+ultimate
F) Lets talk fuel control: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=84901

As you can see based on thread "E", keeping fuel trims in check and at a acceptable level is crucial to making your vehicle run right, and keeping the tune onto your car. This is the secret to making the Emanage Ultimate piggyback ECU run successfully on your engine. The last thing you want to do is to not have your fuel trims tamed, and risk blowing your engine. THIS IS NOT A "SET IT AND FORGET IT" PROCESS WITH the EMANGE ULTIMATE PIGGYBACK ECU. Once in a while, you will have to log your fuel trims in conjunction with a OBD-II scantool, and keep your fuel trims in check. If you take the time to make sure your fuel trims are in check every once in a while, you'll be free to drive a OBD-II inspection passable car with a supercharger.

6) What boost can I make with smaller pulleys? Where can purchase them?

Here are some websites to purchase a smaller pulley:

http://www.pulleyboys.com/
http://www.nonstoptuning.com/pKitLotElise.htm

Here are the PSI readings for each pulley size:

3.2" = 8.5 PSI
3.1" = 10 PSI

Here's a pulley RPM calculator for the supercharger:

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pulleybeltcalc.html

And here's a thread with how to install the tighter pulley:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50953

Supposedly, Magnuson says the MP62 can survive short bursts at 20,000 supercharger rpms...but I wouldn't go near there.

7) What are known problems for the Greddy Supercharger kit?

Ahh, now here comes a big can of worms. There are just too many threads and testimonial problems that range from minor to major. The most prominent ones involve the alternator brackets breaking, the idler pulley malfunctioning, the boost actuators not working right, tuning, and other foibles. Here's barbarian, and ahnjae again telling us the main problems:

Barbarian said:
brackets and idler pulley have reliability issue..... and I'm using 6pk2465 belt instead of the 6pk2475 that was provided. fueling may be at it's border line with the 440cc injectors( I ran 100% injector duty at 8300rpm)....

ahnjae said:
You should let everyone know that the brackets that come with the kit all suck and are destined to break after time. You should also mention GReddy Customer Service is horrible. I guess others have also had issues with the tensioner pulley (bearing issue). Those are all the negatives I could think of.

And here provided are links that deal with the numerous Greddy Supercharger kit problems:

greddy tension pulley bearing... : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=266948&highlight=Greddy
Greddy Main Bracket Facture: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=266364&highlight=Greddy
Greddy SC idler pulley died: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=265716&highlight=Greddy
Internal recommendations for Greddy S/C: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=258490&highlight=Greddy
Greddy tensioner pulley: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237969&highlight=Greddy
More Greddy woes : fractured bracket (pics): http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220298&highlight=Greddy
Greddy SC installed, major problems. : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=252155&highlight=Greddy
Squeaking after Greddy SC install!!! : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=254476&highlight=Greddy
bad news with greddy s/c install : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=211105&highlight=Greddy
Hondata IMG with Greddy s/c : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=210755&highlight=Greddy
greddy s/c problems : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=232105&highlight=Greddy
S/C Prep. : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237118&highlight=greddy
Any Engine Failures with GReddy S/C? : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=236677&highlight=Greddy
greddy sc actuator info... : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=232679&highlight=Greddy
Greddy s/c problem : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231760&highlight=Greddy
Greddy S/C owners please help!!!! : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=227028&highlight=Greddy (PFC TUNING RELATED)
Greddy Supercharger Boost Problem: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222482&highlight=Greddy
error codes from Greddy SC... http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=218647&highlight=Greddy
GReddy Supercharger emanage ultimate problems : http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=215153&highlight=Greddy
Greddy S/C arrived, final questions prior install. http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=208009&highlight=Greddy

B) Rotrex Super Charger (2ZZ-GE & 1ZZ-FE)

(Written and submitted in by The__J__Factor)

1) What should I know about the Rotrex Supercharger kit?

The Rotrex Supercharger kit is actually a custom self pieced kit utilizing a Rotrex C30-94 Centrifugal type supercharger. Below I will out line all the needed info to piece together your own Rotrex kit including the CAD drawing of the Supercharger bracket needed to mount the Rotrex to your 2zz alternator (may also fit for 1zz, I have not tested this)

1.1) About the Unit.
The Rotrex units are extremely compact and are roughly the size of an alternator yet have the potential to make 300whp with possibility of making more power.

Taken from www.Rotrex.com

C) Blitz Supercharger FAQ (2ZZ-GE)
(Updated July 28, 2012 by Blue Angel. Suggestions, corrections and additional information are welcome by message to Blue Angel.)

1. What should I know about the Blitz Supercharger kit?

a. The Blitz Supercharger (Blitz MN: C12-10060) is a roots blower type Ogura TX12 supercharger for the 2000-2005 Toyota Celica GT-S. Since this kit was designed for the 2ZZ-GE engine, it will not work on the 1ZZ-FE engine. Trial started work on a version for the 1ZZ-FE engine but it never made it to production.

The specs of the Ogura TX12 unit can be seen here:
http://www.oguraclutch.co.jp/english/e_products/sc/e_sc~1.html (no longer available)
http://www.oguraclutch.co.jp/english/e_products/sc/sc_siyou.htm (no longer available)

Here are a couple good animations:
http://www.oguraclutch.co.jp/html/seihin~jouho/SCAssy.avi (no longer available)
http://www.oguraclutch.co.jp/html/seihin~jouho/sc_danmen.avi (no longer available)

b. The Blitz Supercharger kit comes in three flavors:

i. Blitz North America kit (PN: 10126) for 91 octane (http://www.blitz-performance.com/in...ge=product_info&cPath=44&products_id=158&zenid=9619ea7d537712c87bd9f7cba2ae2767) (no longer available)

1. Blitz SC
2. Intake manifold
3. Blitz Intercooler and piping
4. Blitz SUS Power LM air filter
5. Blitz piggyback Fuel Control module

ii. Blitz Japan kit for 100 octane (http://www.blitz.co.jp/products/compressor/compressor-kit.htm) (no longer available)

1. Blitz SC
2. Intake manifold
3. Blitz Intercooler and piping
4. Blitz SUS Power LM air filter
5. Blitz pre-tuned Toyota ECU

iii. Trial kit for 91 octane (http://www.trial.co.jp/trial-usa/celica/zzt231sc.htm)

1. Blitz SC
2. Intake manifold
3. Blitz Intercooler and piping
4. Blitz SUS Power LM air filter
5. Trial header
6. Trial titanium exhaust
7. Trial pre-tuned A’PEXi Power FC ECU

2. How much do Blitz Supercharger kits go for?

a. An arm and a leg! Much more than a turbo but well worth the exceptional reliability, exhilaration and coolness. I cannot begin to state how reliable mine has been in the 2 years and 20,000 miles I have had one and I drive very, very hard daily. Plus the sound is soooo awesome! If you are looking purely for the most horsepower for the buck, then a turbo is the way to go. Unfortunately, I don’t believe any new Blitz kits or variations are currently available.
b. Blitz North America kit MSRP is $6,980.00 but usually advertised for around $6,500 online.
c. Trial Supercharger kit MSRP is $7599.95

3. How much power will I make with the Blitz Supercharger?

a. Average gain is 50 HP and 60 ft-lb torque at the wheels at 4,500 ft altitude and up to 70 HP at sea level. Results in about 225 HP at 4,500 ft and about 245 HP at sea level. I get considerably more horsepower at sea level as opposed to my current 4,500 feet. It is best demonstrated in the fact that at 4,500 ft, a moderate take-off causes tire spin while at sea level, tire spin is effortless and almost difficult to avoid.
b. As with any forced induction modification, keep in mind that the amount of power generated is dependent on “pressure altitude” or atmospheric pressure. The kit claims 7 PSI, but from experience, the Blitz SC puts out up to 8 PSI at sea level and averages 6.5 PSI at 4,500 ft altitude.
c. Additionally, most Blitz SC owners have extensive additional modifications that add additional horsepower which is included in the above figures.
d. Posted Dynos:

i. Action, VoodooTRD, ctkrider, Blue Angel: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=201649
ii. Blue Angel: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=189802
iii. ctkrider: http://www.newcelica.org/other/dyno/ctkrider/dyno.jpg

4. What 1/4 mile times can I expect from the Blitz Supercharger kit?

a. Expect to run in the 14.5 second range for a car with nominal modifications and in the lower 13 second range for fully modified cars.
b. In GTSspeedfreak’s experience, it can beat a BMW 333hp M3 by 3 car lengths and from my experience, a well-tuned car with a good driver and full modifications is equal to a Subaru STi on an autocross or road track and is capable of just beating one in the ¼ mile straight away.

5. Blitz Supercharger Install

a. Blitz North America Installation (Contact Blue Angel if you have a legitimate need for the installation manual)

i. Installation takes about 10 hours. Highlights in no particular order:

1. Relocate alternator to bottom of engine
2. Replace power steering oil cooler loop
3. Replace oil pan
4. Relocate A/C compressor
5. Remove Fog Lights
6. Relocate Cruise Control actuator and fabricate mount
7. Remove front bumper structural member
8. Add 2 engine pulleys
9. Add Supercharger, intercooler and piping
10. Add Blitz Fuel Control module
11. Add Blitz Clutch switch

b. Magazine articles:

i. http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0211tur_supercharged_toyota_celica/index.html
ii. http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0610_turp_project_celica_gts/index.html
iii. http://www.importtuner.com/powerpages/0212it_2000_toyota_celica_gt_s/index.html

c. Blue Angel install: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=186439

d. NECESSARY Modifications to maximize supercharger potential:

i. ECU: Prefer replacement with A’PEXi Power FC first; Greddy eManage Ultimate piggyback on stock ECU second; Blitz Fuel Control module piggyback on stock ECU last and I do mean LAST – if you came this far, get the A’PEXi Power FC or Greddy eManage Ultimate.

1. A’PEXi Power FC

a. Advantage: All-in-one unit replacing ECU; easier install; easier to tune; more control over engine parameters; not a piggyback so it won’t conflict with the stock ECU; does not require separate wiring harness (a very big deal); does not require Blitz Fuel Control module
b. Disadvantage: Must be purchased separately but included in A’PEXi Trial kit; Not ODB II compliant which may prevent meeting your local emissions requirements

2. Greddy eManage Ultimate

a. Advantage: ODB II compliant because it is piggyback which is required by some states to meet emissions; does not require Blitz Fuel Control module
b. Disadvantage: Must be purchased separately; Need to re-tune once or twice a year to meet changing stock ECU parameters and/or weather seasons (i.e.- summer versus winter atmospheric conditions); requires a separate wiring harness - Boomslang eManage Harness is THE choice – FORGET splicing in an entire harness, you will regret it BIG time and compromise quality and reliability!; prone to causing minor CEL’s; some newer software versions are buggy.

3. Blitz Fuel Control module

a. Advantage: ODB II compliant because it is piggyback which is required by some states to meet emissions; only a few wires to splice
b. Disadvantage: Does not allow full advantage of the supercharger due to the 310cc injector size maxing out on fuel at about 6000 RPM.

ii. Fuel Injectors: Stock 310cc injectors simply cannot supply enough fuel for this kit above 6000 RPM. To maximize potential, 440cc injectors are required to meet fuel needs through full engine operating RPM. I have had good results with RC Engineering and Monkey Wrench Racing injectors of this size.

iii. Fuel Pump: To supply your larger injectors, you will need a larger fuel pump on the order of 190 lph. I have had good results with my Monkey Wrench Racing 190 lph fuel pump.

iv. Spark Plugs: Need to run one range cooler plug such as NGK BCPR7E-11.

v. Use Loctite Threadlocker Blue on all threaded mounting screws and nuts.

e. HIGHLY suggested optional modifications

i. Stronger clutch to handle the higher torque and horsepower. I have used an RPS Turbo Clutch Street Disc Max but it only lasted me a couple years under extreme use. I am switching to an ACT TC2-XTSS Xtreme Pressure Plate with Organic Performance Disc clutch.

ii. Blow-off valve to improve drivability and engine performance. I and some others are using a BOV placed on the top of the last piping bend leading into the throttle body assembly. This requires adding a BOV mount to the piping. Ideally, the BOV should be before the MAF but the kit puts the MAF directly behind the Blitz SUS filter. I have had no problems with my Blitz Universal BOV.

iii. Modified exhaust to improve through flow. The TRD Sport exhaust works well while remaining CARB and 50 state legal. Of course, other exhausts designed for greater through flow will work equally as well if not better but may not be legal in your locality.

iv. Wideband O2 sensor and logger. Suggest Zeitronix Zt-3.

v. Full-synthetic 5W30 engine oil. My preference is Redline Oil – it hasn’t let me down in over 50,000 hard-driven supercharged miles. Yes, at $12 a quart it is bloody expensive but it is cheap insurance compared to the cost of a blown engine.

vi. Move the MAF from behind the Blitz SUS filter to just before the throttle-body and after the BOV. Monkeywrench Racing makes a MAF mount for piping.

f. Nice-to-have modifications

i. Boost gauge
ii. Stiffer valve springs
iii. Energy Suspension Engine Mount bushings
iv. Ground Wire Kit

g. Complementary performance modifications

i. Lightweight flywheel. I have had good experience with my Fidanza Lightweight Flywheel.
ii. Limited Slip Differential.
iii. Lightweight wheel rims.

h. Think-twice before doing modifications

i. Larger aftermarket crank pulley - while it can increase PSI, it NEEDS a harmonic dampener or you can expect an oil pump failure.

6. What's the best way to tune?

a. A’PEXi Power FC

i. See http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=258454

b. Greddy eManage Ultimate

i. See http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=264746
ii. I have had poor results dyno tuning but excellent results using street tuning and a good datalogger. I have also found it to be nearly 3 times faster. Nothing like a good 2nd/3rd/4th gear street pull to set you’re A/F ratios properly IMO.

c. Blitz Fuel Control module

i. Cannot be tuned. This module is strictly for modifying the stock ECU fuel signal to the stock injectors and is hard coded into the module for the kit.

d. Options

i. The Blitz SC activation point is incrementally selectable from 40% to 70% throttle with the Blitz Clutch switch. I believe the four positions of A-B-C-D are 40%-50%-60%-70% respectively.

7. Can I make smaller pulleys?

a. The Blitz uses a pulley with an integrated electro-magnetic clutch. Simply changing the pulley size is not a reasonable option because you still need to integrate the electro-magnetic clutch, which would require some engineering work. I do not know of anyone who has done so.
b. You could use a larger crank pulley to boost the SC’s RPMs but without a good harmonic dampener, your oil pump will likely fail.

8. What are known problems for the Blitz Supercharger kit?

UPDATED 07/28/2012: a. (@54,000 mi FI) Broken SC mounting bracket and associated bolts. Welded bracket back together and replaced bolts. Everything working fine. b. (@30,000 mi FI) Experienced a broken SC mounting bolt because its nut worked loose from vibration and was not secured with Loctite. It was caught early and did not cause any damage besides the broken bolt.
c. There has been a report of a Blitz SUS Power LM air filter bracket breaking in a non-Blitz SC install.

9. Maintenance

a. The Blitz SC is a sealed unit and does not require maintenance.
b. Inspect drive belt every 4,000 mi with scheduled oil change. REPLACE BELT EVERY 10,000 mi. Belt size is 20mm (13/16”) x 2537mm (99-7/8”) OC. I am using CarQuest Micro-V Belt #K060994.
c. Clean SUS Power LM air filter every 3,000 – 5,000 mi.
d. Check mounting hardware and piping connectors every 3,000 mi.
e. For eManage Ultimate users, retune as needed. Once or twice a year in my experience.

10. Miscellaneous

a. Videos

i. VoodooGTS video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--zI5yBRHmw
ii. Blue Angel rev video: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=186439
iii. APR Performance rev video: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/APR-Performance-Toyota_1381.htm
iv. Trial fly-by video: http://www.trial.co.jp/trial-usa/celica/images/sc/sc_driveby.mov

D) TRD 1ZZ Supercharger

CARB / EO sticker: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=343816

jlitman · Jan 27, 2008

1. The kit never came with a Blue -- that was a different kit (xb?).

2. Average gain on any 2ZZ is about 30% whp and 25% wtq. A bit more with a camcon and still more with a full stand alone.

3. It is not more cost effective to swap the trans. It will cost at least as much as the S/C or more, be a major PITA, and you will end up with ~160 whp car that still has no torque and needs a bunch of additional bolt on's / engine mangement to get moving.

Unless someone really hates their auto, it would be much easier and far more rewarding to buy the S/C, enjoy 175+ whp with decent torque (and I made that with the OEM airbox!) and the potential to gain significantly more power by swapping the pulley (though, I'd stop at <12 psi on stock pistons). But whatever, what do I know about anything.

BTW, my best before the piston went kablooie was ~212.

4. You might want to add information about what addtional items are needed to get the most out of the kit, such as an OBDII datalogger (if keeping the EMU), a wideband, a boost gauge, and the ability to datalog EMU activity on your laptop. Some of this info can be culled from other threads on the kit.

GTsRasta · Jan 27, 2008

I put that there with the smiley laughing at you to catch your attention

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Corrections made! :thumbup:

And yea, I'm going to include that the next time I tackle this thread. I have to go out in a few minutes, but I'll see what I can accomplish over the next day.

ahnjae · Jan 27, 2008

good info man......im actually on the verge of retuning the car sometime early this year. Ill give you the final results on that later when the time comes.

Send me a PM with your email address and ill send you the dyno graph on what you listed as my whp on here.

Entranced · Jan 27, 2008

add in what other parts would be needed to run this successfully.. such as a clutch/flywheel combination.

Although, i have heard that the greddy S/C can run off the oem clutch fine. Can anyone confirm this?

subie04 · Mar 6, 2011

I know that post you posted was way back in 08 and time has change but clutch and flywheel hasnt.

The thing about high performance engine can run off of oem clutch and flywheel just fine, and you heard right.

People has posted about how oh what a great aftermarket this clutch is or how great that aftermarket clutch is. But the fact is the all wear out faster or slower depends on ther driver.

Make this post short. Aftermarket clutch and flywheel grinds your gear harder and faster= harder usage=gear being broken=change gear internally= getting fix = cha ching $$$$$$$$$.

So to solve the problem. if you are running 270whp, not bhp, or more or high performance for that matter, get PPG gear plz. Save you money in the longrun, and plus, they are "indestrucable" gear, and the only thing you have to worry about is a clutch and flywheeh, which cost like 150 or so, and you have to change them out no matter what ... so ... no brainer.

Thank you, and uh, sorry for replying your post about 3 years later... but i have to.

StraightXrs · Jan 27, 2008

^ I dont think so...at least not on the corolla clutches...ours seem to be going after a few months.

sethman2000 · Jan 27, 2008

Yeah, mine is almost gone now. I had 37k and no clutch issues. Have had my Greddy S/C in for about 500 miles and clutch works but is beginning to slip.

Barbarian · Jan 27, 2008

I had oem clutch(half year old) and it slipped.....

Smaay · Jan 27, 2008

very good writeup. hopefully ill get my kit out soon and have new numbers

GTsRasta · Jan 27, 2008

ahnjae said:
good info man......im actually on the verge of retuning the car sometime early this year. Ill give you the final results on that later when the time comes.

Send me a PM with your email address and ill send you the dyno graph on what you listed as my whp on here.

Dyno posted :thumbup: .

Smaay said:
very good writeup. hopefully ill get my kit out soon and have new numbers

Thanks. Your kit has been doing well enough. I'd love to see the numbers of that stroked motor you build for another member.

I'll be resuming this thread in a short while, and have more information posted before the day is up.

Jesse IL · Jan 27, 2008

Thread title edited. If this is going to be a sticky, I want it to cover all supercharges including the Rotrex and Blitz. Post appropriate info.

GTsRasta · Jan 27, 2008

Will do, I'm going to continue with the Greddy supercharger info right now, and then move on to the Blitz, rotrex, and see what I can scrounge up for the TRD.

GTsRasta · Jan 27, 2008

the ronin said:
Uhh where is my 299 hp 206 ft.........whata putz :fawk:

lol sorry man, have to keep this in the Celica realm. Charlie's reflash program isn't an option for us, so I can't post up dynos with a EMU we can't use. Plus your MR layout may have something to do with different whp results as well.

There are LOTS of MP62 dynos over at www.lotustalk.com and www.moremonkey.com ...but they would be too big of a ratio to Celica dynos...and will dilute this sticky.

StraightXrs · Jan 27, 2008

You should add how to up the boost. Not only just with the pulley but can't you up boost with larger intakes bored throttle bodies or anything of the sort.

GTsRasta · Jan 27, 2008

Is that a question? I'm unaware that a raise in VE leading to more boost...proper tuning yes...

And thank you for point that out. I should make a new section with pulley alternatives, and were to buy them. Slowly but surely, I'll get this FAQ finished.

arlingtongts01 · Jan 27, 2008

can u buy the kit without the ems cause i already have a pfc

GTsRasta · Jan 27, 2008

The majority of people here get the kit and sell the EMU, so I doubt it from a vendor's standpoint. Feel free to call Greddy directly, and negotiate pricing from them.

Devious · Jan 27, 2008

Nice work, but there are a couple of mistakes in the opening paragraph.

Not all superchargers are positive displacement. Some are centrifugal (Rotrex, ATI, Vortech, Paxton, etc.) - like a turbo; Others are axial - like the Latham (and jet engines); while others can be rotary or orbital.

A Roots design (like the Eaton, Greddy, TRD, etc.) is a positive displacement blower (no internal compression). But a twin-screw is a positive displacement compressor.

I hope this helps.

GTsRasta · Jan 27, 2008

the ronin said:
What does Charlie's reflash have to do with my car..nuttin that's what...a 2ZZ is a 2ZZ., you cut and past like a freakin nut case on Lotus Talk about Celica this and my friends Celica that. Oh my friend did this and so on, but your just a freakin parrot who doesn't know squat himself....what the hell would my engine layout have to do with my engine output......Parrot Boy..

Let's see what a 2ZZ with an MP62 put out better numbers in any car.

Stop repeating what others have done and do something yourself :AF:

First of all, the majority of Lotus dynos with the MP62 have reflashes. And as you know, charlie makes sure the reflashes he makes are conservative so customer engines don't blow. The Xede piggyback ECU tuned dynos ARE noteworthy, but they DO NOT run the same intake/header/exhaust setups that we will. WTF does that do for us when a potential greddy supercharger kit buyer wants to compare and contrast setups? How will that buyer be able to compare and contrast ignition advance, rich/lean tuning locations with different Celica intakes, and fuel trim problems when most of the Lotus guys run "SET IT AND FORGET IT" reflashes on their kits? Nah, Frank. Just as the "List of Turbo'd 7th gens" thread did, this thread is more about posting up the most uber cool dyno numbers, mod list, and torque curves. It's about answering supercharger frequently asked questions, and seeing what setups produce what results on Celicas. That can't be done if I flood this thread with Lotus dynos, of which the majority are reflashes on Charlie's software. What kind of tech discussions can we have with stuff exclusive to Lotus vehicles that only Charlie can touch? Watching a consistant bunch of 210-215 whp dynos can get boring you know. And how are his reflashes going to help us evaluate true performance if he sticks to conservative tunes that's not truly tailor made for the particular car it goes in? Cmon. I may have posted GTS supercharged dynos over at the Lotus forums, but I didn't contribute them to any FAQ or dyno list threads.

And as far as doing something...I'm currently saving up EXTRA money for my friend's supercharger setup should something go wrong...and lined myself up with a nice tuning shop for when I change the setup on my own (race header, water injection, v-manage, etc). You'll see what I've been up to soon enough. I had to take time to learn all of this tuning mumbo jumbo, and earn pennies at my part time job. I'll be learning how to tune soon enough. Plus your kit won't be the only A2W MP62 unit for Lotus's for long

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Anyway, before you even made that last post, I did decide I was going to post up your car as the most powerful MP62 supercharged 2zz vehicle anyway. So you don't have to worry. And since it's such a big deal to you, I'll see about posting up piggyback ECU tuned Lotus dynos.

GTsRasta · Jan 28, 2008

OK, i'm coming near the end of the Greddy supercharger part of the FAQ. I just need a little help with a few things.

1) What are the exact pulley sizes for each PSI of boost? I'm seeing different results in different places.
2) What are truly the main problems with the kit, and which are the best threads to post up?
3) Is there anything else I am missing before I move on to the other supercharger kits?

If I must post up all the Greddy supercharger thread problems, then I may have to do that. But I'd rather narrow them down.

ahnjae · Jan 28, 2008

GTsRasta said:
OK, i'm coming near the end of the Greddy supercharger part of the FAQ. I just need a little help with a few things.

1) What are the exact pulley sizes for each PSI of boost? I'm seeing different results in different places.
2) What are truly the main problems with the kit, and which are the best threads to post up?
3) Is there anything else I am missing before I move on to the other supercharger kits?

If I must post up all the Greddy supercharger thread problems, then I may have to do that. But I'd rather narrow them down.

you should let everyone know that the brackets that come with the kit all suck and are destined to break after time. You should also mention GReddy Customer Service is horrible. I guess others have also had issues with the tensioner pulley (bearing issue). Those are all the negatives I could think of.

Also you should mention the parts needed for the kit to work on an 03-05 GTS DBW. Search my old threads and ive listed all the parts needed.

Edit: (here you go)
Parts needed:
-All new 00-02 Throttle body bolts and nuts (or go to Home Depot and make them yourself)
-00-02 Throttle body gasket (need to remove old 03-05 TB Spacer that has the TB bolts pressed into it)
-if you have an 04-05 GTS then you have to remove or move the air injection system to another location since it will get in the way of the alternator.
-03-05 ECU Wiring Diagram

You could also mention what belts are good and what size everyone is using.

GTsRasta · Jan 28, 2008

I can't believe all of this started just because I at first chose not to post up your Lotus. Your Lotus will be posted. Another reason I chose not to post up your Lotus right away is because WE DON'T HAVE A GREDDY SUPERCHARGER A2W INTERCOOLER OPTION YET. Until someone fabs this up for us, we can't hit your numbers. I kinda thought that was an obvious reason...

As for non-intercooled Lotus dynos, I'll post them sometime soon in their own Lotus section, even though the majority of them are reflashes with LIFT lowered on conservative tunes, and minority of our cars have the PFC to lower LIFT for maximum hp tunes. Two totally different midsets between the vehicles if you ask me (excluding yours)...

If you want to take over this Supercharger FAQ, then be my guest. If not, then let me continue doing something nobody has done for over the last 2 years since the Greddy supercharger kit came out.

Barbarian · Jan 29, 2008

brackets and idler pulley have reliability issue..... and I'm using 6pk2465 belt instead of the 6pk2475 that was provided. fueling may be at it's border line with the 440cc injectors( I ran 100% injector duty at 8300rpm)....

Exotic II · Jan 31, 2008

WOW ..... GTsRasta, you did a great job on this ...... I will get you time slip and dyno sheets asap.

GTsRasta · Jan 31, 2008

Exotic II, please include your water injection setup along with your dynos and timeslips. And if you can, please explain why adding the MAP sensor with the emanage ultimate its the trick to having a superior tune to those who don't have it. Thanks!!!

I'll do the other superchargers ASAP. School is starting, so my free time to make detailed updates are limited. I'm gathering up information on the Blitz kit to try and make as good of a post as I can on this very exclusive kit. 2000TRDSC here in NY has a built motor with cams on his car with the Blitz kit. Based on his build and mods, it's one fast show car, faster than his stock EVO MR he says. So when he's not busy with his job, I want to call him up and hear his take on the kit, and what he thinks he'll be dyno'ing.

The__J__Factor · Mar 15, 2008

I will help get some info on the Rotrex set up just give me a couple days for basic info. Most of my info will come from my other thread and new things ive learned.

On a side note i pick up my built engine on tuesday and start putting it back in

Will be running as much boost as possible + PPE RH so we will see how much power the rotrex can finally make. But the dyno will be like 4 weeks away, have to run it in.

BTW thats alot of info for the GReddy kit, awesome work

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