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#51 |
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RED Tuning
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Early Celica IM's are also made from a different thinner aluminum alloy. Compare a 2000 GTS IM to a XRS IM and you can clearly see a difference. The XRS seems to be a cast piece while the 2000 GTS piece a welded up piece. I like the early version IM's for the improved heat dispersion characteristics. They tend to maintain cooler and dissipate heat much faster than there cast counterparts and we all know that IM heatsoak is a huge enemy of the 2zz.
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is it safe to run nitrous on a high compression motor with stock ecu?
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Not direct port. Your next best step would be a Power FC. It will be a little tricky making it look stock though.
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No and no. We flowed it and it does have a slight flow advantage, but I don't recall the exact number and it wasn't enough to make it worth having to make a custom intake to feed it when the TB is pointing at the flippin hood.
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I am liking the results of the ported head,This type of power would make one hell of a Street Car NA and a good daily driver,Hell even your wife could drive your car still
owning a boosted car for a daily sucks, because of the gas you go through,and the gas prices keep going up...With all the BPU's I have on my 01 GT-S,the gas mileage is really good,when you keep the RPM's down,and don't go into Lift all the time,I am guessing,even with the head work,cams,tuning,keeping RPMs low you will still get great gas mileage,but when your on it,bye bye gas mileage. We should compare this headwork vs the Greddy Supercharger,vs the hp and tq gains on each, also the gas mileage between the two,and the price... I am curious what the over all #s would be... I remember reading a Import Tuner Magazine with a White 00 GT-S with a Greddy Supercharger kit making 240 hp to the wheels,I am curious to see if you spent 3 grand on the head with the Cams,Valves,porting,flowbenching,the works what would the #s be, I can just imagine how lift would feel with all that work done on Race Gas ![]() I am a big fan of boost too,as my other Car is a 91 GT-S Celica with a JDM 2nd Gen 3s-gte swap with a MR2 tranney,and axels. |
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#61 |
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Nitrous yields higher gains than the Greddy, so what's your point?
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Thats the cool thing about VE mods like cams, P&P, etc. Doesn't really matter if nitrous or S/C or turbo makes more power than just that mod, because improving the VE of a motor works equally well with N/A, S/C, turbo, nitrous, anything. Engines are big airpumps and flow = power.
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#63 |
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boosted when are you going to be free?
and take orders? for cylinder head porting?
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I can take them now. We're stalled on Badcelis car for a while untill we get some more parts.
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Its totally doable, all it takes is money. The problem is that the amount of money required is not something a Celica owner is likely to have. And even if they did, as you mentioned Boost will get you there much faster and cheaper. The good news is that anything that helps VE helps NA AND turbo / SC
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so can I orderer intake manifold and cylynder head port job already?
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Only way you could do 240 is if you are stroked on top of that. Only 200WHP or so without it.
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besides its been talked about plenty of times, a stroker will only give you power down low, not high end power. you wont be able to rev pass 8800rpm safely, non stroke celica's can see 9500rpm without issues. so yeah stop assuming stuff that has never been dyno proven before. |
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Well, youngxlos, you're build is quite extreme, and makes builds like mine and most others look minute. I'm talking just a forged lower end, P&P, cams and bolt ons.
I'm saying a generally built 2zz probably wont see 240WHP.
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And, i'm going stroker for my own reasons. I need tourqe. This car is my full daily driver and does alot of street light to light time. I won't be able to even get to 9,500 in the time I have to run.
Reving isn't everything.
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Were struggling with 200whp??? A struggle was if there were 2zz's out there with cams, high comp pistons, standalone, etc. etc. not reaching 200whp. Any of you seen someone with a similar setup out there who has gone to the dyno???? I sure haven't so saying were struggling with something no one has yet to really tackle is really saying too much. I've tuned 2zz's to 190whp+ WITHOUT cams, high comp pistons, etc and am suppose to struggle for 200whp? Nah, stop bench racing. Your all going from the hip saying things that have not even been proven, just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it can't be done...
Attitudes such as this are why aftermarket companies overlook us and we "struggle" with the magic 200whp.....
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Lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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no not at all, my build is a pos that has not even fully ran yet. what i pointed out was you said the only way to get any were close to 200 or 240 was with a stroker. you are talking out of your ass by saying that because no one has ever done it. so dyno your car then talk about numbers.
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I can port match a stock intake, but the new intakes are not ready. P&P yes, I can do that now.
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#77 |
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200 is faily easily do-able. 240 is do-able but expensive. If you're going to argue about it pick another thread. I've seen a 2ZZ swapped MR2 with stock cams and an overbored TB tuned to 190 on a dynojet.
First properly tuned NA car with P&P head, stg 3 cams, TB and proper header and exhaust hits 200 easy. Throw in high comp postons and race gas and 210/215+, throw in the intake manifold when its done and you're talking high 220s. NO-ONE has come close to an all out NA build The lotus we are working on is great, but its not even all out. Still no dry sump. Still no electric water pump. It SHOULD be the highest power NA 2ZZ ever built and theres still room for improvement.
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#78 |
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cough cough ***
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#79 |
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Wait.. y can't u you direct port with a stock ecu... it should be safer using direct port so that you don't give any one cylinder too much N2O.... its tunable from 50 to 125 shot. Im going to give it around 65-75 when i get the motor finished... stock pistons.
Am i wrong.. if so why???!!! I need to know for i blow something up.
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But the facts are, it's been a while now the cams and engine parts are out. And yet, no one show any 200 whp. I am just tired of numbers throw in the air without anything to back it up. Anybody can say they have xxx HP without a dyno. It just doesnt meen much. I am like that in anything I do. If you can do it, then do it and prove it. If not, just shut up! Talking $hit means nothing to me. I don't want to be rude or anything but that's my attitude. I believe the car can reach great WHP N/A. Certainly more than 200 WHP. And i do hope it will after the money I have put on mine. I personally take it one step at the time. Once we get good 200 WHP dynos, then we'll talk about 210-220 whp. That being said, I wanna see some nice WHP numbers this summer!
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Lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dave can you upload the graphs again??
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9/11 was an inside job!
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trying to raise the dead again eh xlos
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lol, was only a matter of time till this thread got dug up again.
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Lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hahaha yeah pretty much, i just wanted to see the graph again that's all
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Cant catch me in lift!!!!
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actually not officially yet but hoping ill be taking over his project. look at mods to show what i have and ie going to hve when i get his block and head.
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Lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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^^^ your going to need a few more things to that list to get even close to 220 let alone 250
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Cant catch me in lift!!!!
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lol what else am i going to need bro?
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Lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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high compression pistons, def a aggressive race port and polish.
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Cant catch me in lift!!!!
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well boosted port and polish is down the road. ill have 12.5 with my stroker and lighter rods. remember ill have deers set up
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Just go one step at a time. By seeing the results of lot of build so far, you should know that. And, setting high goals like that often lead to deception. But anyways, good luck!
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Lift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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your not stupid Dan =)
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9/11 was an inside job!
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and another one bites the dust :0p
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tbh i dont even think that this one rose from the dust in the first place y'know...he hardly drove it and i believe there was either sleeving or head bolt problems with the motor (resulting in cooling problems) and he didn't have the funds to finish it off.
as far as i know, the only n/a stroker on this board is vamis. he got 206hp flywheel after pfc tuning, but that wasnt with any adjustments to the vvt.
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Missing Japan :(
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...and that's flywheel hp.
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True, but based on my ricer math of (lol, gotta love my ricer math) the fact that most flywheel dyno'd 2zz's over here give around 170hp stock, it seems like a fairly nice increase
but that's a whole can of worms that I don't think anyone wants to get into right now
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