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Old 06-01-2008, 06:57 PM   #1
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Toyota paint sucks

I need to vent.

The durability of Toyota's paint jobs is pathetic . I'm considering rarely washing my car anymore because every time i wash it, it looks worse than before i wash it. A handful of new scratch marks, deep swirls, paint chips, bubbles, ect shows up as soon as the car dries. I am very careful when i drive. I drive on paved roads, garage the car and park in safe areas. I've also tried paint cleaner, polishing, and waxing and instead of causing the car appear cleaner it simply makes all the blemishes more visible.

What gives? does it scratch every time a leaf falls on it? I understand black cars show more. However my last car was GM and the front bumper had a chip or two and the paint still felt smooth even after 7 years. On my celica it looks like someone fired a shotgun at it and the doors are rough. Sad considering i've put more care into the celica than that car. Water stains are horrible as well. Unless the car is completely dry, every drop will stain

anyone feel my pain?
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Old 06-01-2008, 07:00 PM   #2
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weird... never had that problem... the paint on my celi seems to be holding up nicely for being 8 years old
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maybe you bought a car that was repainted?
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Old 06-01-2008, 07:16 PM   #4
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maybe you bought a car that was repainted?
doubt it, the previous owner had it under warranty. If it was repainted, it was probably done by Toyota still.
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Old 06-01-2008, 07:21 PM   #5
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2000 and Black... still looks good for 129k miles. Toyota rarely has paint problems. Paint isn't a warranted item unless the car is still under the bumper-to-bumper time.

I'd have to guess repaint... and not by Toyota.
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that is odd. i have a black 00 and the paint looks pretty good minus damages (stupid hit n runs on my car)
take some pics so we can see how bad the damage is.
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mines 2000 black and mines ok minus the few scratches and what not on it from being 8 years old. just needs a decent buff job and itll look like new. show us pics so we can see what it looks like. I to am guessing it was a repaint
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my 02's midnight blue paint is DESTROYED... but i blame the previous owner.

a nice cut n' polish will get rid of 90% of it tho. so im not too bothered on it.
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I have a super white 02. From far away or at first glance it looks fine, but when you get close up you can see there are chips all over, and more chips that have been painted with some chip repair paint or something. You can tell the paint on the wing is just barely beginning to oxidize. Some gray liquid ran down the side in one spot and stained it. Also, if you look at the side in just the right light, you can see all kinds of orange peel.

Now I make it sound all terrible, but really I am just a super picky person and notice stuff like that. If you dont know its there, from a little ways away the car looks just fine. Still though, I plan to put at least 100k miles on this car, so Im going to have it repainted. There are just some things I cant tolerate. I really like that tricoat Starfire Pearl they put on the Lexus IS250/350
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:01 PM   #10
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Toyota's paint job on the Celica is pretty shoddy. It's like they shot a few layers of each, color and clear coat. It's very noticable on the side mirrors.

Despite this shoddy job, I am not experiencing your problems with my car's paint only with the mirrors.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:11 PM   #11
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that is odd. i have a black 00 and the paint looks pretty good minus damages (stupid hit n runs on my car)
take some pics so we can see how bad the damage is.
i'll try and take some tommorow
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I have a super white 02. From far away or at first glance it looks fine, but when you get close up you can see there are chips all over, and more chips that have been painted with some chip repair paint or something. You can tell the paint on the wing is just barely beginning to oxidize. Some gray liquid ran down the side in one spot and stained it. Also, if you look at the side in just the right light, you can see all kinds of orange peel.

Now I make it sound all terrible, but really I am just a super picky person and notice stuff like that. If you dont know its there, from a little ways away the car looks just fine. Still though, I plan to put at least 100k miles on this car, so Im going to have it repainted. There are just some things I cant tolerate. I really like that tricoat Starfire Pearl they put on the Lexus IS250/350

mine is also plagued with 'chip repairs' *cringes*

...but, as for the gripe with orange peel...even $50k cars will be plagued with orange peel... because the sad truth is that factory paint jobs are typically the worst paint jobs out there... PERIOD. (more-so for domestic cars) ...They WILL however provide the best corrosion resistance.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:21 PM   #13
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They WILL however provide the best corrosion resistance.
Better than a good paint job at a shop with a clearcoat? Why is that (provided Im understanding what you are saying correctly)?
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they are the best in that, they cover the base metal more thoroughly then a bodyshop would be capable of... but from an appearance stand-point... they are a little on the crappy side. a good paint shop will cut and polish out any clear defects. (the factory doesnt have the time or the desire to do so, and most customers wont notice)

also... i've heard horror stories of color miss-match from one side of a car to the other from the factory (sad when the front of a mini-van is 3 color variances from the rear)
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Old 06-01-2008, 11:07 PM   #15
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Meh, my car is pretty banged up. Deep scratches you can feel with your nail all over the body. There's a new scratch I've never seen before everyday.
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toyota paint is pretty good as compared to body shops.. bodyshops always cut corners.
the factory paint on TRD poly kits is better than any bodyshop will ever paint. just and try to make the factory paint chip or come off . i have had someone back into my bumper distroying my hood and still didn't damage my paint on my bumper. since then i have had my front repainted time and time again by multiple body shops and none of them can get paint to stick to the poly kit like toyota can.
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Old 06-02-2008, 05:12 AM   #17
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The only problem with paint i have is on my spoiler, clear coat is coming off.
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:08 AM   #18
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psh, i'm not complaining. both mine and my friend's miata flakes every time we drive. there was a time when my friend's miata would leave a trail of "snow flakes".
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:38 AM   #19
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Factory paint on mine is holding up pretty good for an 8 year old car that gets lots of sunshine everyday. It has it's assortment of scratches but that's not the paint's fault.

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Old 06-02-2008, 10:47 AM   #20
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i feel ya man. my front hood after every wash looks horrible...the amount of missing paint is very noticeable once you get within 10 feet of the car
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:56 AM   #21
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I dont know what you guys are talking about? Aside from the random rock chips (Not paints fault) and some rust bubbling under in the wheel wells, the Carbon Blue shines like no other. I love it.
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Old 06-02-2008, 12:06 PM   #22
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I got an 00 with a bunch of rock chips on the mirrors and front bumper! ahhhh
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-thats why i said 'good' paint shop... realisticly... id only throw about 8% of shops into that category.

...and the plastic bumpers on modern cars are notoriously difficult to refinish. because of a chemical injected into the plastic, so that it is easily removed from the mold in which it was cast. this chemical likes to leach out over time, and therefore causes problems with the paint... shops have to pre-bake most plastic bumpers over 140degrees (F) for 15 minutes or more to try and flash off the chemicals, and that still doesnt always get rid of the release chemicals.

Factory paint jobs DO adhere better then a body-shop paintjob will (hence the better corrosion protection), but visually are... well, lacking >.< ...because, like said before, there isnt enough time or money to polish out the factory paint, And there are many color match issues (not as much nowa-days)

so, in my eyes... a good quality re-spray over a thuroughly sanded factory paint job, cut and polished... will be FAR superior to the original paint job ^-~ (visually, and slightly more durable)
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Old 06-02-2008, 10:30 PM   #24
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the scratches could have been made FROM the car wash.
if you dont be careful, you can be moving the dirt and debris thats on the car and rubbing it all over the car while you wash it. creating scratches and swirls everytime you wash your car.
this video will help
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...wcargarage.com
its long, but it goes by pretty quick
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Yeah I gotta say for an 8 year old car with 160k on it my paint has held up remarkably well. Our Kia minivan is only 6 years old and it flakes all over the place. My step dad's miata is the same way. The only car that I can say has held up better than my celica paint wise, is my dads protege 5 but it has always been parked in the garage whereas my car has been outside for the last two or three years
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Old 06-03-2008, 04:24 PM   #26
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my 02's midnight blue paint is DESTROYED... but i blame the previous owner.

a nice cut n' polish will get rid of 90% of it tho. so im not too bothered on it.
Werd, my super white is disgusting up close, I need a respray...........bad.
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Toyota's paint job on the Celica is pretty shoddy. It's like they shot a few layers of each, color and clear coat. It's very noticable on the side mirrors.

Despite this shoddy job, I am not experiencing your problems with my car's paint only with the mirrors.
I got the same problem, the paint on my mirrors and on the stock hoodscoop have faded and are starting to look really oxidized, i dunno if its just the red paint or what.

On the other hand, I also have an 86 MR2 thats painted bright red and the paint looks better on it then on my 2000 celica in some places.
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Old 06-04-2008, 06:52 PM   #28
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my bumper is the only thing where it chiped/flaked off it looks horribile and the stock spoiler i had on it the clear coat came off .
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On my celica it looks like someone fired a shotgun at it
this made me laugh.

and my zephyr blue paint is holdin up pretty good. All nice and shiny-like ^_^
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forgot about this thread..... i tried taking pictures but my camera isn't good enough to capture what i want to show. numerous pinpoint sized white/grey dots all over the paint. primer showing?

i checked, the car was never repainted. Next time i purchase a car, it'll be a honda
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forgot about this thread..... i tried taking pictures but my camera isn't good enough to capture what i want to show. numerous pinpoint sized white/grey dots all over the paint. primer showing?

i checked, the car was never repainted. Next time i purchase a car, it'll be a honda
umm...lol?
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my paint gets swirls and scratches
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i think you got a bad celica or its just your eyes Don't blame a whole company cus only you got paint problems. And why do you blame a company that does not specializing in paint? Not all toyota vehicles coming out from the factory have the same company painting them . Most of the people here have stock paint and it stays pretty well. My stock paint still looks like new and its an 8 year old car
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I have a red 2000 GT (w/92k on the body) and my paint job is pretty much trashed. There are horrible swirl marks across the hood that I have tried waxing & buffing out, nothing seems to work on that.

As far as the mirrors, on the top of the "arm" between the mirror & the door there are a tons of pin-hole sized white dots. On both side not just one mirror.

And there are some spots on the edges of the fenders & doors where the paint seems to have chipped from the edge.

The roof seems to be ok, besides the fact that the previous owner thought it would be a good idea to run over the edge of the sunroof when buffing the top of the car... Needless to say it stripped the tint off the top...

Most of the rest of the damage to the paint job I would just blame on the previous owner, some scratches & dings.... The hood could possible have been due to the previous owner as-well

Overall I am pretty disappointed in how the area around the mirror's look, and the chipping at the edges...

Oh-well, excuse to cough up the money for a new paint job I guess....
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i got A 2000 black gts and theres defects in the paint everywhere, water spots that dont come out even after waxing and buffing and some parts of the paint even have an orange peel textured look so yea i hate the paint on my celi too and i feel your pain
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well obviously people who see a thread with this name and have paint problems they are gonna post here..
There are more people with good than bad.
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My 00 in silver looks great from 10 feet away but if you get close to it you will start to notice a lot more. The worst part by far are the chips all over the front clip. I take good care of the car to, garaged, baths, wax, clay bar, etc.
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well obviously people who see a thread with this name and have paint problems they are gonna post here..
There are more people with good than bad.
this thread is too small of a sample size to represent the whole celica population. Not everyone is on this forum, or will post on the internet at all.

If you search around, numerous people are unhappy with the paint jobs on other Toyota models. The mechanical quality is still great ( for the most part) but they are slacking in areas such as this.

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i got an 00' gts. midnight blue. when i bought my car it had a deep scratch and some scrapes on my rear bumber. my hood had a few paint chips too. luckily i can get all my body work done free. the easy stuff i do it myself like buffing or touch-up. the dents, deep scratches and pain job is all one by my bro-in law. all i have to do is buy the materials. i think if you're gonna paint your car, why not go all custom instead of a different stock color. and why copy stock colors from manufacturers.


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doubt it, the previous owner had it under warranty. If it was repainted, it was probably done by Toyota still.
Uhm that makes no sence. You mean it might have been done a Toyota Authorized shop? That does not mean that the employee or shop holds up to the standards of the toyota company by any means.

I know someone on the boards who just got a 600 dollar paint job on the whole car, and its all bubbly n just like what your saying.

Now I just got a 3,000 paintjob from a toyota certified dealer, but also a reputable shop by themself. And this paint is like whoa. So it's just you buddy

If theirs bubbles in your paint thats an obvious sign your car was repainted, or did something reallllllly wierd to it. So wash your celica =)
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why not go all custom instead of a different stock color. and why copy stock colors from manufacturers.
Cool both easy questions this morning!!

1) Because custom most of the time is dumb, I'll leave the paint mixing and color decisions to the professionals to choose. And they typically choose a variety of stock colors to match all likings and such.

2) Because you can see in person tangibly exactly what the paint is going to look, feel, and hold up like before you pay thousands of dollars. And many times the paint is premier quality stuff. Like lexus's paint is all prismatic for example.
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but they are slacking in areas such as this.
dude your the one slacking on this, go get a new paintjob if your not happy with it. I GUARAUNTEE you do not have a FACTORY paint job, not something your uncle did, or ur friend juan at pequeno denero car centero. Toyota is a very large company and knows how to paint a car.

Unless you walk through a parking lot and see all the new corollas and scions and everything with bubbly scratched up paint then your point is mute.
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:31 AM   #44
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And what do you mean "You Checked if the car was painted" You do know that it is possible to have a car painted without showing up on a carfax? For example my car when I bought it from toyota was on a second painted roof, hood, and hatch that they failed to mention in the carfax and that same dealer did the work! I had to get my roof repainted because they didnt seal it right and it was bubbling. Yes the "Toyota Place" painted it bad.
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:35 AM   #45
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mine is HORRIBLE! It's an 02 carbon blue. I'm pretty careful with it, so there aren't more than like 2 chips in it. but the rest is crap. the door handles are all scratched up, the edges along the roof and hatch look like somebody took sandpaper to them, the wing looks like the paint is like, boiling away or something, the bottom of the wing has drip spots and you can tell it was sitting on like newspaper or something when it was painted, there's even some red spots from whatever it was sitting on, not to mention tons of little dot kinda things, plus orange peel, plus all these spots that look like tiny dents, but from the inside out. On top of that my stock wheels are like, being corroded away or something.

When i have the money i'll def get it repainted, probably the same color too. I like spectra blue but carbon blue is growing on me.
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:35 AM   #46
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because the sad truth is that factory paint jobs are typically the worst paint jobs out there... PERIOD
Damn so many people with stupid comments in this thread, im on like my 5th post in a row.

Your talkin out ur ass bro, you ever been to maaco? You ever been to a body shop to have it painted? You ever tried painting it yourself? chances are you have not.

Anyone whose seen any of the above paint jobs will agree factory is better. Now if you spend 4-7grand on a job it should be nicer than oem. But like someone said above. Shops cut corners, cost, prep work. Last time I checked EVERY car comin off ANY dealership lot has a nice sleek spot free paint job.
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:37 AM   #47
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mine is HORRIBLE
And this is why we spend the 3+ grand on paintjobs. Uh Oh you Got Maaco!

Radical that's not a factor job. EVerything you mentioned are obvious symptoms of a ****ty shop or maaco paint job.
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