Nitrous on a supercharged Celica

[Celicasaur]

we don't get R1's here in the UK......ahh well, goodyear F1's it is then

[Gtsjeg04]

Originally Posted by hombredelassrta

what pulley now, the 3.1?

No, No, I already have that pulley on the car now. I am going to go with a 2.5" and get nasty with it.

Originally Posted by Celicasaur

we don't get R1's here in the UK......ahh well, goodyear F1's it is then

What are these tires going to be used for?

[Gtsjeg04]

Bad night last night. The engine went KABOOM!


Nah, just playing around. The engine is just fine. She is running super rich. So rich that it is causing the car to bog out. I put 10 gallons of 111 in it. I wonder if that is what is causing it to run rich. I thought it was the AIT enrichment % and adjusted it and it didnt do ****. It was alot warmer when i got it tuned and when it was running good at the track. Oh well, who knows.

[hombredelassrta]

yeah thats what i meant, which pulley on it with that dyno. what hp were you running with the stock pulley?

[Gtsjeg04]

Thats the 3.1 pulley, I got a max 205 out of the stock greddy pulley but that was with some knock. I was riding around with alot of timing pulled on the stock pulley.

[hombredelassrta]

yeah i'm at 201 pulling 4 deg of timing but no knock. figure decent more power adding in some timing

[Gtsjeg04]

What do you mean pulling 4 degrees of timing? 4 degrees before or after tdc.

[hombredelassrta]

pulling 4 from stock at the top end (running EMU piggyback so its adjusting whatever oem is running. no tdc measuring thankfully ) i can log and get exacts later

[jlitman]

Originally Posted by Gtsjeg04

Thats the 3.1 pulley, I got a max 205 out of the stock greddy pulley but that was with some knock. I was riding around with alot of timing pulled on the stock pulley.

Originally Posted by hombredelassrta

yeah i'm at 201 pulling 4 deg of timing but no knock. figure decent more power adding in some timing

See, Dan. Told ya that was about right. Anybody claiming much more than that has got a really optimistic dyno.

Pretty much everyone sees about 33% more power than they put down before the greddy kit.

150-160*1.33 = ~200-212. Haven't really seen any dynojet numbers above (or below) that range, and the only dynapack I saw above that was MWR's, but if anyone can milk a little more power out of the set up (at least for one good dyno pull...) they can.

[Gtsjeg04]

I am sure i could have gotten more out of it but I would never have been able to street it with out it blowing up. 200whp is very respectiable for the greddy pulley.

[Gtsjeg04]

This is what happened to my transmission the other day.

So this is what broke. I believe you would call this the final drive input gear? Any who, its broke. Only one half of a tooth left on the whole thing.








The final drive gear is okay. Its got a little damage but nothing to major.















I have no idea where this thing came from but it is covered in shards of metal.

[Celicasaur]

lol that's so cool!!!! Man that's kinda spooky, but cool how it tore up!!

you gonna rebuild the tranny or get a good used one to replace it?

btw, going back to my tyres off-topic talk im going to get toyo proxes 4 tyres, primarly for street dragging etc...i hear it's possible to get 2.0 60ft times...

[Entranced]

the proxies 4 are HORRIBLE tires! lol. i'd perfer the kuhmo ecsta ASX's over the 4's anyday. (also an ultra high performance all season) they're cheaper too.

[Celicasaur]

Really?? I've heard loads of good things about them being good for street ricers...

Is this the Kumho you speak of?
http://camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b701s0p0

Primarly I want a tyre to be awesome for dragging on the street and twisty roads...

(sorry for thread hi-jack, gtsjeg )

[Gtsjeg04]

I bought a used engine and trans combo with harness and ecu for 1750. I cracked the transmission open once i got and it might have 5000 miles on it. So i pulled out my lsd and swapped final drive gears and bell housings. So now I am using the bell housing and lsd out of my car and the final drive gear and acutual transmission from the one I just got.

[Gtsjeg04]

OFF topic, those kumhos suck balls. Get a street tire that is an R compound tire. They are sticky but you can still street in the rain.

[Gtsjeg04]

Its back together, kinda. Should be a 100% and rocking at the track friday night. Hoping to cut an 8.0 or a 7.9 on the juice.

[Korben007]

Yeah my transmission looks just like urs! shreaded the exact same final drive input gear as well as cracking the housing. that was from just the greddy kit alone. I am running the greddy pulley and put down exactly 210whp. So i guess that is right in there.
just waiting for that piston ring to finish itself off and i will put a built motor smaller pulley intercooler and nitro. Just gotta finish up my current mr2 project then i will start reseaching the celica.
This thead is really helpful thanks guys. shortening my reseach!

[j_celica]

proxy 4's=
i have em on my car and love them!

[Gtsjeg04]

Originally Posted by Korben007

Yeah my transmission looks just like urs! shreaded the exact same final drive input gear as well as cracking the housing. that was from just the greddy kit alone. I am running the greddy pulley and put down exactly 210whp. So i guess that is right in there.
just waiting for that piston ring to finish itself off and i will put a built motor smaller pulley intercooler and nitro. Just gotta finish up my current mr2 project then i will start reseaching the celica.
This thead is really helpful thanks guys. shortening my reseach!

Let me know if you have any questions. I am going to the 2.5" pulley here shortly and maybe to a 150 shot. Good times.

Originally Posted by j_celica

proxy 4's=
i have em on my car and love them!

No we are talking about track tires, not so much street tires. Maybe the R888's they have more tread than the tires I currently run.

[Gtsjeg04]

second stage of nitrous coming soon.

[Celicasaur]

whoop whoop, glad to hear it, lots of pictures please

I'll be documenting my nitrous install very soon over in my thread in the performance mods forum too

[Gtsjeg04]

I havent decided if i want to go wet or dry yet with the second stage. It'll be at least a 50 shot but not more than 100.

[Gtsjeg04]

Originally Posted by Gtsjeg04

I havent decided if i want to go wet or dry yet with the second stage. It'll be at least a 50 shot but not more than 100.

So I lied, the second stage is set at 125 and it is smoking just using the second stage by itself. It yielded me a new fastest track time and speed of 8.3 seconds at 88 mph. If I could get old girl to really hook up good I could be in the 7's at that speed. I crushed an 8.7 at 78 mph so I know it can be done.

Here are a couple of vids and a pic from this past sunday at our local joke of an event. No one showed up but that was good for those of us who did bc we hot lapped the track all freakin day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV5wge8Ladw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thfrm...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeDx...layer_embedded

[Celicasaur]

lol, your car looks just like mine - gorgeous!!! man, celica's look SO good on the track...i just there were more really fast ones

I take it all the guys you were rolling with were mostly 12 second cars? Heck, your's should be a 12 second car too, right? I assume you werent running the 125 shot of nos on those vid clips?

Keem em coming man and I'm glad to see you having fun with your yummy car

[zzz]

are you still running on the stock motor and stock transmission?

[Celicasaur]

^^^ yeah he is

[Entranced]

Originally Posted by Celicasaur

yeah he is

for now... he already broke the trans once.. lol. It's only a matter of time before it happens again.

but gdamn man! 125 second stage WITH the charger? I wonder what kind of numbers your putting down now

[zzz]

He broke his transmission on a run where he didn't spray. I think the transmission gave out simply due to the stress of dragstrip launches...which could happen to any car, even stock.

Anyway, I think I may follow his footsteps but maybe to a milder extent.

Do you guys think clutch and flywheel would have something to do with the transmission breaking?

[Celicasaur]

Originally Posted by Entranced

for now... he already broke the trans once.. lol. It's only a matter of time before it happens again.

My bad, I thought the other guy was wondering if jeg had an e153.

Originally Posted by Entranced

but gdamn man! 125 second stage WITH the charger? I wonder what kind of numbers your putting down now

ricer math tells me.....230whp + 125whp = ~ 355whp?

I'm hoping mine will add up to ~200whp + 130whp

[zzz]

Originally Posted by Celicasaur

My bad, I thought the other guy was wondering if jeg had an e153.



ricer math tells me.....230whp + 125whp = ~ 355whp?

I'm hoping mine will add up to ~200whp + 130whp

Actually, i think he's spraying the second stage, which is pre-blower if I remember, so that would net him slight more than 125 from the shot. otherwise, your ricer math deserves an R+

[Celicasaur]

:lmao: "R+"

Ahhh by second stage, i thought he was going by the old school terminology of having two fixed hit systems, say with one putting out 60hp and then other comes in later on in the rev range and kicks another 65hp.

[Gtsjeg04]

Originally Posted by Celicasaur

lol, your car looks just like mine - gorgeous!!! man, celica's look SO good on the track...i just there were more really fast ones

I take it all the guys you were rolling with were mostly 12 second cars? Heck, your's should be a 12 second car too, right? I assume you werent running the 125 shot of nos on those vid clips?


Keem em coming man and I'm glad to see you having fun with your yummy car

Those cars usually run in the 7's at the track. The white one runs a 7.3 and the blue one runs a 7.8. I was running the juice in those vids but missed 2nd gear in the 9.0 vid and missed third when I ran the 8.5

Originally Posted by zzz

are you still running on the stock motor and stock transmission?

Stock motor and stock C60 with a KAAZ 1.5way LSD in it. Stage 5 ACT clutch with Extreme Pressure Plate.

Originally Posted by Entranced

for now... he already broke the trans once.. lol. It's only a matter of time before it happens again.

but gdamn man! 125 second stage WITH the charger? I wonder what kind of numbers your putting down now

I havent ran both stages at the same time yet but the second stage is jetted for 125 and that is what I ran all day sunday. 15+ pass all out.

Originally Posted by zzz

He broke his transmission on a run where he didn't spray. I think the transmission gave out simply due to the stress of dragstrip launches...which could happen to any car, even stock.

Anyway, I think I may follow his footsteps but maybe to a milder extent.

Do you guys think clutch and flywheel would have something to do with the transmission breaking?Actually, i think he's spraying the second stage, which is pre-blower if I remember, so that would net him slight more than 125 from the shot. otherwise, your ricer math deserves an R+

What I call the second stage is a wet shot preblower jetted at 125 right now. I do have a direct port setup in the pictures that is jetted at 100. I putt down 225 whp with a conservative ignition map the last time at the dyno. So with my ricer math I would say 375 whp with both stages. After i get back from this auto x this weekend i am going to turn both stages on at the track to see what she does. Ill post up some pics from under the hood as well.

[Gtsjeg04]

Originally Posted by Celicasaur

:lmao: "R+"

Ahhh by second stage, i thought he was going by the old school terminology of having two fixed hit systems, say with one putting out 60hp and then other comes in later on in the rev range and kicks another 65hp.

Well it was orignially intended that way. It didnt work the other night when i went to test it so i had to go home and fix it. Didnt have anytime to road test it so when i did my test n tune runs at the track I was using just the second stage and was cutting my fastest times. So my second stage is now my first stage and when i get done with auto x this weekend my direct port will be my second stage. So I will be juicing 225 shot on the stock engine with my 3.1 pulley on a greddy supercharger.

[zzz]

Nice! I can't wait for the pics and update!

I have a similar set up as you, same LSD too but I have the ACT XTSS clutch. That's the Xtreme pressure plate and the street disc...should I swap it for a stronger race clutch? The SS is only rated for 291tq. I was thinking of going with the G6 (6puck with springs). It's my daily so I dont want anything too harsh...especially in LA traffic.

Again, I will probably call it quits at 100 shot, direct port. So I will be making considerably less than your 125 pre-blower (pre-blower makes more power than direct port for the same XX Shot right?)

again, props to you gtsjeg. Lastly, what tires do you run and at what RPM do you launch? Any spray on the launch? 2nd gear? or is it only 3rd?

[Entranced]

ah, by numbers i meant dyno. good luck with your pistons at 375!! either way, it's a sick setup for sure

[Gtsjeg04]

Originally Posted by Entranced

ah, by numbers i meant dyno. good luck with your pistons at 375!! either way, it's a sick setup for sure

I havent tuned the nitrous on a dyno but I did put down a 225 on a conservative ignition map.

[Gtsjeg04]

Here are some pics of how my stuff is setup.

[StraightXrs]

Originally Posted by Gtsjeg04

I havent tuned the nitrous on a dyno but I did put down a 225 on a conservative ignition map.

What ignition timing were you running pre-spray. And what are you running after?

[jlitman]

On a totally unrelated note: What coolant are you using? Not the Toyota SLL?

[Gtsjeg04]

Originally Posted by StraightXrs

What ignition timing were you running pre-spray. And what are you running after?

I am running the same timing on both so i dont have to change tunes to get to and from the track.

Originally Posted by jlitman

On a totally unrelated note: What coolant are you using? Not the Toyota SLL?

Premixed coolant in the can for aluminum engines. Why is that wrong?

[zzz]

Thanks for the pics! really helpful!


Question on leaded gas...is it safe for our motor? I forget what reason they dont recommend it...might have been the cat or something.

[jlitman]

Originally Posted by Gtsjeg04

Premixed coolant in the can for aluminum engines. Why is that wrong?

It's probably fine -- you're just one of the few guys I've seen with green rather than red coolant, hence my asking.

Someone with expert Toyota knowledge like Boosted2.0 would know for certain if it mattered, but if it's safe for aluminum motors I would think it's perfectly okay to use

[evilthorne]

I put down 214whp and 145 tq on the stock pulley. I think I was pulling 3degrees of ignition before but now that I have the 3.1 pulley I am pulling 4 degrees. Car feels the same up top but way faster down low. Not to sound like a douche but the corolla/matrix always seem to dyno higher then the celica for some reason.

Gtsjeg04 you got balls man! There is no way I could even think about running the juice with the blower like that. Big thumbs up.

[Gtsjeg04]

Originally Posted by zzz

Thanks for the pics! really helpful! Question on leaded gas...is it safe for our motor? I forget what reason they dont recommend it...might have been the cat or something.

I run leaded gas every now and again. I dont suggest you do it bc you most likely still have all your emission control crap on your engine. I took all that heavy and worthless **** off years ago.

Originally Posted by jlitman

It's probably fine -- you're just one of the few guys I've seen with green rather than red coolant, hence my asking.Someone with expert Toyota knowledge like Boosted2.0 would know for certain if it mattered, but if it's safe for aluminum motors I would think it's perfectly okay to use

I am sure it is fine as well. I did a little research into it before i just dumped a coolant in there. It is to prevent scaling and things like that just like on motorcycle, which is an aluminum engine as well.

Originally Posted by evilthorne

I put down 214whp and 145 tq on the stock pulley. I think I was pulling 3degrees of ignition before but now that I have the 3.1 pulley I am pulling 4 degrees. Car feels the same up top but way faster down low. Not to sound like a douche but the corolla/matrix always seem to dyno higher then the celica for some reason.Gtsjeg04 you got balls man! There is no way I could even think about running the juice with the blower like that. Big thumbs up.

When you say pulling 3 degrees what exactly do you mean. Mine isnt just set to one ignition setting. But as for balls, Jlitman has pointed out over and over again that i do have another car to drive and i am prepared to do a full rebuild when this engine goes. The only way i can get anymore ballsy is to put that 2.9 or 2.7 pulley on there and see what happens. Thats coming soon too.

[evilthorne]

Yah good point on the spare car.

When I say pulling three degrees I mean on the emanage ignition map I have -3 entered into the fields at a certain RPM up to redline. Not including the accel ignition maps.

[Gtsjeg04]

Well if i am not mistaken mine(hydra) is set at 24-18 depending on load and rpm. I would like to say pulling one degree to 7 degrees depending on the situation. Mine is scaled 1-50.

[jlitman]

Originally Posted by evilthorne

I put down 214whp and 145 tq on the stock pulley.

Dynojet or Dynapack?

The dynapack tends to read 3% - 5% higher, but if you are using WI, and that dyno was with the WI on, it's probably due to being able to run more ignition advance.

I think I picked up like 10 -12 whp with the WI.

Originally Posted by Gtsjeg04

The only way i can get anymore ballsy is to put that 2.9 or 2.7 pulley on there and see what happens. Thats coming soon too.

Balls + Resources (and the brains to utilize them) are a winning combo, and so far it's worked out very well (i.e., no mishaps, good track times)

You are now the offical "go to guy" for nitrous + greddy S/C -- my hat's off to you, sir

[evilthorne]

Dyno jet, and I have no WI This is the same dyno our forum always goes to. On the same day a chev hhr made 243whp and most of the bolt on matrix xrs were around 169-175whp.

Heres a good video of pack vs jet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZXbk3o-xHg

[zzz]

Originally Posted by evilthorne

Not to sound like a douche but the corolla/matrix always seem to dyno higher then the celica for some reason.

I noticed that too...maybe the dyno's are just different but even then...

I know there is a Greddy charged corolla with a cold air, PPE headers, and the PPE midpipe with a proper axleback. He's still running the emanage ultimate and he claims 241whp.

Then again, we had an asshat corolla owner who claims 280whp on like 7lbs of boost from his turbo set up (1zz). Called BS on and and later, someone realized his dyno pull was done in 2nd gear.

What gear do you guys dyno in?