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Old 07-22-2009, 01:22 PM   #201
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Frank, you're such a child...

First, I don't have video of that dyno day. I only had my SLR there for snap shots. I don't carry that silly thing everywhere I go like you do. Get a life.

Second, it was climate controlled and it was actually quite warm in the dyno room despite having an open door. Remember there was a car running for hours heating up the space on top of being climate controlled.

Third, it was the day before and in the middle of the afternoon. The airport temps according to your site shows temps temp of 52 that day. The airport is an hour north of town and is usually within 10 degrees of the temps in town. It was damn nice day, I do remember that. Was wearing a short sleeved "BOE" t-shirt for the record. Darksol was there and can support that the dyno room was mid 70s just as you would expect inside...

Fourth: Intake temps were well into the 90s the most of the time. I know this because I have redundant temp sensors that tell me this. Do you see a fan blowing cold air onto the intake in those pics? My intake sucks air straight from the engine compartment when it's just sitting there. There's no shrouding separating it from the hot engine air...

Fifth: I don't even have a TVS product to sell the celica community and you're trying to sabotage everything I post for your own personal agenda. I've posted more technical information about this setup than anyone ever has about a FI setup on a 2ZZ. More than you, more than VF, Sector, BWR, MWR, etc... Go question their findings... and for what?

I've posted charge temps, dyno plots, track experience, road experience, data logs, etc... And you're not even a potential user of the TVS-- whether through me or your own devices. Your M.O. is clear. It's personal slander, misleading, and NOT constructive. If it's not that, you're just really stupid... perhaps both???

"The Ronin" drivel... It's like arguing with a 3 year old in deperate need of a nap... LOL

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yeah right it was cooler wher you were
http://www.almanac.com/weatherhistor...archtype=place

a climate controled enviroment all right just let an early winter in when you tune with the shop door open...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKsj7...layer_embedded

You've posted more technical misinformation that's the problem nurse/Phil it's pure BS to sell your kit and yourself to guys that don't know better..

Yeah so the ambient intake temps were in the 90's now how is that possable while it's in the 30's-40's, I can't believe this crap...

You are a fucckin joke nurse/Phil

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Old 07-22-2009, 01:44 PM   #202
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Ronin,

Could you please share with us the URL which shows a dyno of your car making 310+ rwhp with the MP62 and your custom intercooling solution? I tried to search but failed...
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:13 PM   #203
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You can find it here..
http://www.monkeytuner.com/forum/vie...today&start=45

and here..
http://www.monkeytuner.com/forum/vie...s+chargecooler
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:42 PM   #204
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Cool! Thanx!!
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:43 PM   #205
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yeah right it was cooler wher you were
http://www.almanac.com/weatherhistor...archtype=place

a climate controled enviroment all right just let an early winter in when you tune with the shop door open...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKsj7...layer_embedded

You've posted more technical misinformation that's the problem nurse/Phil it's pure BS to sell your kit and yourself to guys that don't know better..

Yeah so the ambient intake temps were in the 90's now how is that possable while it's in the 30's-40's, I can't believe this crap...

You are a fucckin joke nurse/Phil

Wrong day and wrong way screw ball.LOL

Stick your head into your engine compartment while in a 75 degree room after your engine has been screaming between 3,000 and 8,000 rpms for the last 3 hours and tell me you're not feeling 90+degree air.

The dyno vid you're talking about is Djet at a different location. I believe those dyno pulls showed high 60degree air temps even when it was cold outside. I also know those details were posted as well.... You haven't lived in CA your whole life. Surely you know that we don't work in 30 degree weather while inside... oh but wait, that does't work with your fairy tale

Again, I really don't care what you think. It's funny to see you babble and dream up these fairly tails by piecing information together from mutually exclusive events. You should write childrens' books...

Looking at the brite side to Frank's drivel, this thread has become quite popular on this forum LOL
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:51 PM   #206
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Wrong day and wrong way screw ball.LOL

Stick your head into your engine compartment while in a 75 degree room after your engine has been screaming between 3,000 and 8,000 rpms for the last 3 hours and tell me you're not feeling 90+degree air.

The dyno vid you're talking about is Djet at a different location. I believe those dyno pulls showed high 60degree air temps even when it was cold outside. I also know those details were posted as well.... You haven't lived in CA your whole life. Surely you know that we don't work in 30 degree weather while inside... oh but wait, that does't work with your fairy tale

Again, I really don't care what you think. It's funny to see you babble and dream up these fairly tails by piecing information together from mutually exclusive events. You should write childrens' books...

Looking at the brite side to Frank's drivel, this thread has become quite popular on this forum LOL
Oh wrong way ?....which way is bum fucck kansas home of the climate controlled dyno room....
More BS from nurse/Phil....yeah the fact that the door is open and it's in the 30's -40's...come on you must think everyone is high on your exhaust fumes

Keep up with the BS nursee/Phil this is fun.....
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:57 AM   #207
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Hey I remember that waaaay back at the beginning of this thread I was guestimating what my car would do with the TVS installed...

Well now I know:



Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5Na...layer_embedded

Best times / trap speeds:
60': 1.733
330': 4.999
660': 7.648 @ 92.44 mph
1000': 9.923
1320': 11.830 @ 117.69 mph <- on a 12.265 timeslip

Just thought I'd share that I nailed a couple of 11.8's... one was holding 115.94 mph in 4th at 8200rpm (redline) through the last 100' to the traps and the other I actually shifted to 5th and got another 1.75 mph out of it.

Datalogs indicate a nice smooth 0.72 sec shift from gear to gear. Shallow staging on 225/45-17" General Exclaim UHP (long-lasting) street tires. Enough of this driving through a set of Yoko A048's every 4000 miles!

Anyway not too far off my original estimate - but shifting to 5th really was weird though... never had to do that before.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:56 PM   #208
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So you cut a 1.7 60' ft on street tires?
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So you cut a 1.7 60' ft on street tires?
Yeah RWD with 60% of the weight over your butt really helps - plus I shallow stage to the max and the track uses a bunch of VHT but yeah I average 1.7 - 1.9 60' times with these tires. I pulled a 1.64 when the car was bone stock on the new Yoko A048's back in 2005!
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In other words, irrelevant to this forum.


and Phil, even if your engine bay is 90+ degrees, a properly setup dyno has a HUGE cooling fan blowing on the front of the car to simulate it moving down the road and allowing it to intake a proper charge. Show us the log of the car's intake temp sensor on your dyno run if you really want to prove yourself.
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Yeah RWD with 60% of the weight over your butt really helps - plus I shallow stage to the max and the track uses a bunch of VHT but yeah I average 1.7 - 1.9 60' times with these tires. I pulled a 1.64 when the car was bone stock on the new Yoko A048's back in 2005!
I'll need to see that in person to believe that.
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Good to see Dave. Looks like breaking into the 11s on an unopened engine was easier than you thought it would be!

Entranced- I don't understand your comment(s). Prove myself? What is there to prove? If you need proof that the blower works fantastic, then just ask the guys that have one or take my word for it. There are a lot of guys running them. If they didn't work, don't you think it would be on the forums by now???
If you need proof that the blower is more efficient than the M62, then you haven't read this thread. The unopened TVS'ed cars run faster on the track than any other unopened M62 cars I've seen on the track (intercooled or not)... Faster than comparable unopened Lotus turbo'ed cars too. The compressor maps show the efficiency just as it has been covered in the thread. I accurately explained how to read the maps. If you doubt me, go take look.

All that said, I don't need to prove myself to you, nor do I care to. Not even sure why you care. Aren't you a turbo guy anyway? For the record, I don't even make a kit for the Celica. The thread is for informational purposes as to what can be done witht he blower and we're just scratching the surface. Heck ,the air isn't even intercooled yet and it's making very nice power on street, strip, and track.

For the guys who want surpercharged power, for whatever reason, I think this is good info. For those that don't, then they should look at some other option... Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything here...

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Yeah the oversized TVS 1320 is faster in Kans-ass and I know a few Lotus owners with VF kits that are just waitin for a little match race with a oversized TVS Lotus.....
That sucker is so missed sized for a 1.8 ltr. engine it's a fool that would drive it on the street......oh wait you don't, it's a little track monster....

SC low end lag......and when you finially add the intercooler you're workin on that you say it doesn't need it will be even slower/laggier in the lower RPM range,,,
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Specifically Frank. If you have it within you...

1) What SPECIFIC trait do you think the blower has that makes it unstreetable?

2) What SPECIFIC reason(s) do you think make it over-sized?

3) What SPECIFIC examples can you find of users of the 1320 that don't enjoy the hell out of it on the street, AX, and track? Darksol does all three of those for instance... Do you?

4) The fact that you think an "over sized", as you put it, positive displacement blower can have low end lag is comical at best. It's physically impossible. Go to the local JuCo and take a class or jump on wiki for a while and read up...

5) Fastest quarter I've seen from a VF guy was 109mph through the traps... I'm sure the 8 mph delta was just from a bad launch.LOL. Watch Dave's vid. He didn't exactly drop the hammer off the line either... Watch my vids against a FF275 turbo car. I pull him on the straights with ease and that's well in to a track session. Those FF275 cars are decent running cars on the track by many measures. Real world experience, Frank. You can only argue with cut and paste snipets of posts from forums you're not allowed on and bunch of profanities. You have no proof to the contrary because it doesn't exist.

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Specifically Frank. If you have it within you...

1) What SPECIFIC trait do you think the blower has that makes it unstreetable?

2) What SPECIFIC reason(s) do you think make it over-sized?

3) What SPECIFIC examples can you find of users of the 1320 that don't enjoy the hell out of it on the street, AX, and track? Darksol does all three of those for instance... Do you?

4) The fact that you think an "over sized", as you put it, positive displacement blower can have low end lag is comical at best. It's physically impossible. Go to the local JuCo and take a class or jump on wiki for a while and read up...

5) Fastest quarter I've seen from a VF guy was 109mph through the traps... I'm sure the 8 mph delta was just from a bad launch.LOL. Watch Dave's vid. He didn't exactly drop the hammer off the line either... Watch my vids against a FF275 turbo car. I pull him on the straights with ease and that's well in to a track session. Those FF275 cars are decent running cars on the track by many measures. Real world experience, Frank. You can only argue with cut and paste snipets of posts from forums you're not allowed on and bunch of profanities. You have no proof to the contrary because it doesn't exist.
So I guess my conversations with the guys a Magnasun/Harrop/Sprintex at SEMA never happened since you were there........
Why not ask Nunn what the proper size TVS blower is again, not the best deal on his overstock....

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Whats the date on that email from Ken? 2006? Early 2007? I know Ken quite well professionally. I have spent hours with ken both via email and on the phone during the development. In his short reply to you, he says "probably too big". Just as Ken told me. Then, we (Ken and I) actually went through the numbers for the 2ZZ in particular. He didn't give your request the time of day. On the other hand, he did me, and we actually did the numbers together and found that the 1320 was PERFECT for a well breathing 2ZZ.

The FACT is that you cannot address any of those 5 questions or points and you still don't know what response or lag is and how relates to a positive displacement blower. It simply does NOT exist. You're making it up. A physical impossibility. It's not a degree of probability, it's an impossibility. Seriously man. You do NOT know what you're yapping about. It's called a compressor map. Look one up. I believe there's one in this thread.

Your "challenge"...
I bet you need that 10 grand after your last engine failure! Good luck on your newly decked block. Good decision making skills there too. So how much did you have to pay to have that engine removed, tore down to bare, decked, reassembled, and installed in just a couple days instead of waiting in line like everyone else? $5,000? $10,000??? hehehe

Put that pig of yours on the track for a season like everyone else to expose the real issues--- or are you scared? You want 5 laps? That's a joke. That's practically a drag race. Drive the car track-hard for an extended period of time or are you too worried about your precious paint? It's only paint, Frank. It's cheap. Or did you burn your mad money on the overtime you paid Tri-Point to fix your engine AGAIN? Maybe if you ask the wife nicely, she'll give you some more allowance... In the meantime, the guys that really know what's going will only give you an ear to be polite. Please, may I, and thank you mam. Just like Craig who politely said your car was great after driving it and walked away shaking his head in disgust.
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Both you guys need to read the email again. He is talking about the unit being physically too big to mount in place of the mp62. Not that it will flow more air or it's not the right fit for the motor, just that it is not a direct fit for the MP62.
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I think Phil should send me a TVS blower setup to try out on my motor.
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Whats the date on that email from Ken? 2006? Early 2007? I know Ken quite well professionally. I have spent hours with ken both via email and on the phone during the development. In his short reply to you, he says "probably too big". Just as Ken told me. Then, we (Ken and I) actually went through the numbers for the 2ZZ in particular. He didn't give your request the time of day. On the other hand, he did me, and we actually did the numbers together and found that the 1320 was PERFECT for a well breathing 2ZZ.

The FACT is that you cannot address any of those 5 questions or points and you still don't know what response or lag is and how relates to a positive displacement blower. It simply does NOT exist. You're making it up. A physical impossibility. It's not a degree of probability, it's an impossibility. Seriously man. You do NOT know what you're yapping about. It's called a compressor map. Look one up. I believe there's one in this thread.

Your "challenge"...
I bet you need that 10 grand after your last engine failure! Good luck on your newly decked block. Good decision making skills there too. So how much did you have to pay to have that engine removed, tore down to bare, decked, reassembled, and installed in just a couple days instead of waiting in line like everyone else? $5,000? $10,000??? hehehe

Put that pig of yours on the track for a season like everyone else to expose the real issues--- or are you scared? You want 5 laps? That's a joke. That's practically a drag race. Drive the car track-hard for an extended period of time or are you too worried about your precious paint? It's only paint, Frank. It's cheap. Or did you burn your mad money on the overtime you paid Tri-Point to fix your engine AGAIN? Maybe if you ask the wife nicely, she'll give you some more allowance... In the meantime, the guys that really know what's going will only give you an ear to be polite. Please, may I, and thank you mam. Just like Craig who politely said your car was great after driving it and walked away shaking his head in disgust.
Professionally ? What are you still blowin guys in the reststop...

Sure he saw a chump that didn't know better Turbo/fool...
Here's your answer to your big 5 again...
So I guess my conversations with the guys a Magnasun/Harrop/Sprintex at SEMA never happened since you were there....

Under boost at low rpm and over boost at high rpm....fool It's all about the size chump.... But you control the boost with vvt-i... fool

The block will be fine and if not I'll just make it better and faster, as for the money why do you care ya cheap ass chump ? Tri-Point my old company has nothing to do with my repair...where do you get this crap from Turbo/fool ?

You were in Kans-ass when Craig drove my car to a 1:27 min lap but I guess you need a hearing aid chump. Turn it up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38UHf9-aBbA

I don't want a cent from the Ronin Challenge Series all winnings will go to my driver..

Time attack chump...put up or shut up Turbo/fool $10K

Hey do you guys know I was banned from two Lotus forums for callin out the bullshieters for rippin off the fools......?.....
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Both you guys need to read the email again. He is talking about the unit being physically too big to mount in place of the mp62. Not that it will flow more air or it's not the right fit for the motor, just that it is not a direct fit for the MP62.
Sorry but you're wrong it's the amount of CFM.... If the 1320 flows the right amount for low-mid RPM it will over boost at the higher RPM for a 1.8 ltr. engine. and if your target boost CFM is say 10 psi. at 8,500rpm the responce will suffer in the low-mid range.. There is no boost control on a roots blower. Now Turbo/fool thought he could control boost by keeping the cams overlaped to spill off excess boost but that screws the tune since he really doesn't get the VVt-IL timing thing....
Hey Turbo/fool map this...

Lotus chose the MP45 for the Elise S for it's drivabilty and that's why size matters......The MP62 for the Exige S for performance and racing..

Size matters..

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Maybe if you ask the wife nicely, she'll give you some more allowance...
Make those comments to my face and let's see who's standing when you're done chump...
See guys this is how a fucckin chump skirts the facts by makin personal attacks...Turbo/fool doesn't know shiet and can only try and side track the facts with crap....

I'm lookin foward to meeting you again Phil....I can't wait....

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Good luck on your newly decked block. Good decision making skills there too. So how much did you have to pay to have that engine removed, tore down to bare, decked, reassembled, and installed in just a couple days instead of waiting in line like everyone else? $5,000? $10,000??? hehehe
What does this have to do with your TVS?

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In the meantime, the guys that really know what's going will only give you an ear to be polite.
...ah the LT and TL crew having a mery gathering.....




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Just like Craig who politely said your car was great after driving it and walked away shaking his head in disgust.
bhahaha ....digging a hole are we? A c'mon man what's up with you?
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Turbo/Fool doesn't have a clue when it comes to this crap, this guy can't even read the maps he's so proud to cut and paste...CFM dude, CFM how much and "when" it flows is what makes a proper roots supercharger application.......
As in turbos size matter, you don't use a GT3582 when a GT2871 will do the job of making 300 hp, sure they both flow enough air for your target power but their target CFM efficiency is at a completely different rpm range which in turn will change the driving characteristics of the engine from responsive to peaky.....

Turbo/FOOL.....

Yo many, my wife said to just continue letting Turbo/Fool make an ass out of himself If I want an increase in my allowance and a big piece of pie after dinner....

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I thought I'd put up the proper time line for you guys to see as everything this jack off Turbo/fool spues is crap, the guy never had an original thought in his life.....

From: Frank Profera [mailto:roninexige@mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Website Request: Harrop Superchargers


Hi Ken, thanks for getting back...What about a titainium mounting flange for intake and discharge ? I realy don't want to have to reengineer my entire setup for who knows how much HP gain.....please let me know what you think.. here is a pic of my setup[Ken L. Nunn] …snip



From: Frank Profera [mailto:roninexige@mac.com]
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Ken, can you do a direct replacement for the 62 ? Having a bolt on replacement would go over well in the Lotus crowd......There is a Bemani MP90 kit for the Lotus but ther have to mount it under the headers and use a long piping run back to the stock N/A 2ZZ manifold, a ****y design using a larger blower to make up for the increased internal volume of the plumbing.....

I just had a talk with Roger Becker Vehicle Engineering Director and mentioned your TVS solution, he was listening.

The Lotus GT3 cars had problems with rod failure but I'll put money on the fact that the failures were due to detenation due to there poor chargecooler setup.....

During desert track testing with 115*f ambient I saw discharge temps at 15psi of 306*f and after chargecooler 155*f.....

Come on Ken make an Mp62 direct replacement..... Come on do it, oh yeah nice numbers...

Cheers, Frank




On Nov 20, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Ken L. Nunn wrote:

Frank …

We will possibly/probably do an adaptor plate for mounting HTV1320’s to MP62 applications, however it will “increase the height” of the assembly.
We will not be doing a direct replacement, or at least not in the short term.

Regards ...

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Hi Ken, please keep me informed as to availability....Height is not a problem since it will be on the bottom but a thin adaptor would be best, can you also make an adaptor for the inlet....will it use the same pulleys?.... I would need it to have the same snout length as the MP62 after bolting up to my manifold.... Do you have an MP62 to compare.....?



After doing my homework and talkin to guys that know more than I, I desided the TVS 1320 was a bad idea and oversized to do the job properly..

Take a look at this thread on Lotus Talk and check out the date..
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f160...-275whp-64669/

11/13/08..... a fucckin year after I told Turbo/Fool about my idea...

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Come on Turbo/fool prove me wrong about CFM and sizing a supercharger for a 1.8 ltr. 2ZZ for driveability and while you're at it post up your emails from Harrop Superchargers with the dates.....

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Come on turbo/fool tell me I don't know what I'm talkin about again..eh chump..
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Sorry but you're wrong it's the amount of CFM.... If the 1320 flows the right amount for low-mid RPM it will over boost at the higher RPM for a 1.8 ltr. engine. and if your target boost CFM is say 10 psi. at 8,500rpm the responce will suffer in the low-mid range..

Size matters..
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Professionally ?

Under boost at low rpm and over boost at high rpm....fool It's all about the size chump.... But you control the boost with vvt-i... fool

The block will be fine and if not I'll just make it better and faster, as for the money why do you care ya cheap ass chump ? Tri-Point my old company has nothing to do with my repair...where do you get this crap from Turbo/fool ?

You were in Kans-ass when Craig drove my car to a 1:27 min lap but I guess you need a hearing aid chump. Turn it up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38UHf9-aBbA

Hey do you guys know I was banned from two Lotus forums
1- Your entire theory about how a positive displacement blower works is incorrect. It's not a turbo. Look at the compressor map. It will help if you can figure out how to read it.

THere's a 1320 comp map below to hopefully help. It's an approximation but I think even you can understand it:

2- If what you say is true, it wouldn't work as great as it does. The Aussies are doing great racing it. Myslef and and the guys running it non-ICed are also doing very well....better than anyone I know with the MP-62... regardless of IC. THe TVS is equally as responsive downlow and moreso everywhere else in the power curve. Have many experiences and dyno to show this. You're just wrong.

3- Post up the commentary the Jack wrote on your twitter with Craig's REAL thoughts following driving your car. Nobody is going to be honest with you about your car since you're always threatening physical violence to everyone you disagree with. Your personality is so in everyone's face, that it's just too much trouble to disagree with you-- particularly in person. You really think that Craig is going to say something like "Ya, the car was a handful. Setup was bad. Fast in straight line but otherwise unsorted" to your face? That's what I took away from his comments about your car... JAck must have too since it was plastered all over your twitter...

4- You're right. I'm frugal. I don't see the value in spending what you have on your car. You built a kit and sold your internet friends on it (but you didn't make a dime on it), ran that kit for about a week, and then abandoned it to go bigger... and then you're selling the car... Ya, must be a great ride. Never happy with it, then when you are, it's all of a sudden for sale. Right...

5- You've been banned from 3 lotus forums (on a technicality) and a 4th one on a temporary basis... until you screw that up too... The one forum you post on, has about 8 regular users and I bet you account for 70% of the total posts... Ya, people are really interested in your R&D...

Have a nice day,

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1- Your entire theory about how a positive displacement blower works is incorrect. It's not a turbo. Look at the compressor map. It will help if you can figure out how to read it.

THere's a 1320 comp map below to hopefully help. It's an approximation but I think even you can understand it:

2- If what you say is true, it wouldn't work as great as it does. The Aussies are doing great racing it. Myslef and and the guys running it non-ICed are also doing very well....better than anyone I know with the MP-62... regardless of IC. THe TVS is equally as responsive downlow and moreso everywhere else in the power curve. Have many experiences and dyno to show this. You're just wrong.

3- Post up the commentary the Jack wrote on your twitter with Craig's REAL thoughts following driving your car. Nobody is going to be honest with you about your car since you're always threatening physical violence to everyone you disagree with. Your personality is so in everyone's face, that it's just too much trouble to disagree with you-- particularly in person. You really think that Craig is going to say something like "Ya, the car was a handful. Setup was bad. Fast in straight line but otherwise unsorted" to your face? That's what I took away from his comments about your car... JAck must have too since it was plastered all over your twitter...

4- You're right. I'm frugal. I don't see the value in spending what you have on your car. You built a kit and sold your internet friends on it (but you didn't make a dime on it), ran that kit for about a week, and then abandoned it to go bigger... and then you're selling the car... Ya, must be a great ride. Never happy with it, then when you are, it's all of a sudden for sale. Right...

5- You've been banned from 3 lotus forums (on a technicality) and a 4th one on a temporary basis... until you screw that up too... The one forum you post on, has about 8 regular users and I bet you account for 70% of the total posts... Ya, people are really interested in your R&D...

Have a nice day,

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You're a fucckin joke Turbo/fool.....where do you get this shiet from..
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you're always threatening physical violence to everyone you disagree with.

When did I ever say I'd kick your ass if you didn't agree with me...

Fast in a straight line ??????? since when is Big Willow straight ?
I know for a fact that after nine turns you're back at the starting line....I don't think you could do that without a few turns,,,
How many times do I need to post a video of Craig sayin that thing is cool, do you really think guys are that threatened by a little old man with a Lotus ?

I still haven't seen any TVS cars at Big Willow and I still have $10K sayin my show car will smoke your pice of crap TVS on the track chump..

No theory fool just facts...the right size for the job fool, that's like sayin why not use a MP112 instead of the MP45 on the Elise S, I'll ask my buddies at Lotus and Magnasun again what they think of your theory since they work with facts not theory, after all that's why they make different sizes idiot, again I talk to the guys that make this shiet not some fool like you tryin to sell it....

I sold no kits but I did the R$D for a SC kit and others made money off it as a matter of fact you were one of the guys rollin in the dough not me....

Sorry Turbo/fool no one here gives a crap about some gay Lotus forum that wouldn't let a guy with serious stones join.........

It's not for sale now since the Reynard Inverter won't be out as a road going version for at least a year, so I've still got one bad as Lotus to play with....

You should really go away now, you're begining to stink up the place with too much bullshiet......

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In all your rambling, you're the only one that's talking THEORY (albeit, incorrect thoery). You can ask the mag guys until your fingers hurt from typing. It's still theory until applied and then it's experience. Map out the 2ZZ on a 1000 or 900 TVS. You'll see real quick that the 1320 is a far better size. Careful, you've got two cam profiles and variable intake to work with. You may need some help getting it right

You think because you say something is "fact" that it's really a fact??? The only perosn you're fooling is yourself... Your "facts" may fool some people, but those with a brain know better...

I'm talking from experience with the TVS on a 2ZZ on the street and on the track. You are NOT... End of story...
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In all your rambling, you're the only one that's talking THEORY (albeit, incorrect thoery). You can ask the mag guys until your fingers hurt from typing. It's still theory until applied and then it's experience. Map out the 2ZZ on a 1000 or 900 TVS. You'll see real quick that the 1320 is a far better size. Careful, you've got two cam profiles and variable intake to work with. You may need some help getting it right

You think because you say something is "fact" that it's really a fact??? The only perosn you're fooling is yourself... Your "facts" may fool some people, but those with a brain know better...

I'm talking from experience with the TVS on a 2ZZ on the street and on the track. You are NOT... End of story...
You're tellin me about VVT-I settings...... You're the chump that didn't even know they were controlable ..?..
You are a fool chump....
You are talkin out your ass Turbo/fool again size does matter and if the engine engineers at Lotus have it wrong I think you should give Roger Becker or Rob Savin a call or at least drop him a email and say hi for me.. http://www.lotuseng.com You are an idiot tryin to sell your shiet nothin more..sorry chump
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[QUOTE=the ronin;4880486]I thought I'd put up the proper time line for you guys to see as everything this jack off Turbo/fool spues is crap, the guy never had an original thought in his life.....

[I]From: Frank Profera [mailto:roninexige@mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Ken L. Nunn
Subject: Re: Website Request: Harrop Superchargers


Hi Ken, thanks for getting back...What about a titainium mounting flange for intake and discharge ? I realy don't want to have to reengineer my entire setup for who knows how much HP gain.....please let me know what you think.. here is a pic of my setup[Ken L. Nunn]
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You're tellin me about VVT-I settings
I did no such thing. I said to be sure to take them into consideration when you're making your bold statements about your blower sizing theory...

Lotus designed a car to be EPA approved, run a cat, be noise compliant, etc... I stuffy M62 is somewhat OK given how corked up the thing is from factory (although it's still crap for efficient at stock S power levels). They, just like every other car maker out there, designs a vehicle to fit within constraints. The 1320, just like the turbo kits out there, etc would be melting cats, bust through intake noise constraints, etc and requiring way too rich of fuel mixes to get through smog. You know this stuff. I have know idea what your beef i against this setup other than yours truly. It works extremely well, it's proven on the street, strip, autocross course, and race track in BOTH intercooled and non-intercooled configurations.

Why don't you go pee in your own cheerios for a while?
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Your idea? Are you kidding? I'm not sure of one thing on my car that was "your idea"... There are only so many ways to skin a cat, Frank... You think everything is your IP? Good grief. Your ego precedes you...

As mentioned before. I've visited with Ken MUCH MUCH MUCH more than you ever have in your meaningless emails. BTW, as a side bar- Ken is no longer at Harrop.
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Turbo/fools says these are meaningless emails.....

I thought I'd put up the proper time line for you guys to see as everything this jack off Turbo/fool spues is crap, the guy never had an original thought in his life.....
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From: Frank Profera [mailto:roninexige@mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Ken L. Nunn
Subject: Re: Website Request: Harrop Superchargers


Hi Ken, thanks for getting back...What about a titainium mounting flange for intake and discharge ? I realy don't want to have to reengineer my entire setup for who knows how much HP gain.....please let me know what you think.. here is a pic of my setup[Ken L. Nunn] …snip



From: Frank Profera [mailto:roninexige@mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:03 PM
To: Ken L. Nunn
Subject: Re: Website Request: Harrop Superchargers

Ken, can you do a direct replacement for the 62 ? Having a bolt on replacement would go over well in the Lotus crowd......There is a Bemani MP90 kit for the Lotus but ther have to mount it under the headers and use a long piping run back to the stock N/A 2ZZ manifold, a ****y design using a larger blower to make up for the increased internal volume of the plumbing.....

I just had a talk with Roger Becker Vehicle Engineering Director and mentioned your TVS solution, he was listening.

The Lotus GT3 cars had problems with rod failure but I'll put money on the fact that the failures were due to detenation due to there poor chargecooler setup.....

During desert track testing with 115*f ambient I saw discharge temps at 15psi of 306*f and after chargecooler 155*f.....

Come on Ken make an Mp62 direct replacement..... Come on do it, oh yeah nice numbers...

Cheers, Frank




On Nov 20, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Ken L. Nunn wrote:

Frank …

We will possibly/probably do an adaptor plate for mounting HTV1320’s to MP62 applications, however it will “increase the height” of the assembly.
We will not be doing a direct replacement, or at least not in the short term.

Regards ...

Ken L. Nunn, General Manager
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From: Frank Profera [mailto:roninexige@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:46 PM
To: Ken L. Nunn
Subject: Re: update

Hi Ken, please keep me informed as to availability....Height is not a problem since it will be on the bottom but a thin adaptor would be best, can you also make an adaptor for the inlet....will it use the same pulleys?.... I would need it to have the same snout length as the MP62 after bolting up to my manifold.... Do you have an MP62 to compare.....?



After doing my homework and talkin to guys that know more than I, I desided the TVS 1320 was a bad idea and oversized to do the job properly..

Take a look at this thread on Lotus Talk and check out the date..
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f160...-275whp-64669/

11/13/08..... a fucckin year after I told Turbo/Fool about my idea...
and again chump....you are such an *******.

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Turbo/fools says these are meaningless emails.....

I thought I'd put up the proper time line for you guys to see as everything this jack off Turbo/fool spues is crap, the guy never had an original thought in his life.....

and again chump....you are such an *******.
Mounting or physical size is irrelevant. If you want something to fit you can make it fit. Its just a matter of brackets and parts. Im gonna take TurboPhils side on this one cause he makes sense when he talks. Also im sure there are plenty of good sized superchargers for this motor. Its all a matter of what your goal is. Im sure a smaller blower would have better response etc etc, But its not gonna have the top end.
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If it's top end power you want you go turbo not supercharger...

Top end aka more boost is all this TVS blower will give over the MP62, as far as greater efficiency goes.... well just look at this..

So independent proof is now out showing clearly that the TVS is no ****in silver bullet and runs hot as **** at a sustained high load....... This was proven down under on track with a race Exige equiped with a chargecooler.... 300rwhp at 13psi. 95* ambient and about 145* IAT with the chargecooler....... now 50*f above ambient is something to worry about.....


I ran my MP62 with 15psi. 300rwhp at Willow Springs....105*f ambient with intake temps of 135*f......
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That's funny, I was just going to post how great the Aussie's did. They kicked some arse and came out first...

They're running about 370whp or so in race trim and on pump gas...

The setup on the car mentioned was in a published half mile drag race and came in first... Second place was a GT2 (yes, turbo charged, 2WD, GT2) porsche. As I recall, the lotus won by about 2 seconds.

Links to race mentioned:

Phillip Island race 1 - Part 1 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlqgaHOBj98

Phillip Island race 1 - Part 2 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFWy_WM9Mw0

Frank's one lap run with 300whp doesn't exactly compare to this...

Happy 2010 everyone!

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That's funny, I was just going to post how great the Aussie's did. They kicked some arse and came out first...

They're running about 370whp or so in race trim and on pump gas...

Phil
Funny BS from Turbo/fool as always....

as posted by IanaA on Monkeytuner:

Exige S ( TVS ) racing down under - Videos
by IanA on Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:32 pm

Exige S with SSC charge cooled TVS 1320 in race down under - Phillip Island, Nov09

Fitted with A/W charge cooled TVS blower kit - from Simply Sports Cars - Circa 300hp at the wheels.

Speed shown is in Km/h
IAT is in Celcius Ambient was 35C
Boost in psi

Get the popcorn. Strap yourself into your chair. Max the volume.

Driver - Mark O'Connor

Phillip Island race 1 - Part 1 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlqgaHOBj98

Phillip Island race 1 - Part 2 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFWy_WM9Mw0
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Let's see on bizzaro world 300 rwhp = 370 rwhp.....and look at those intake temps...
Not too cool for all that work and money.....
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haha the ford going off course was classic, the lotus just darts into the next turn and the ford is like "wait, theres a turn" *brakes*. the temp did rise pretty quickly everytime he went wot tho, but im sure most racecars like that would too. still doesnt beat those canyon runs tho
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The climb in the intake temps is no different from the MP62..... It may be a few degrees cooler on paper and have the ability to produce more boost but it's not worth the money for the marginal benefits...... same power at 2 psi. lower output......Higher intake temps on track.

And still no real videos drivin on the street without nursin the throttle....
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Now listen to this ****in bull **** from **** me in the ass again/Phil...
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Also fair to mention that charge cooling doesn't mean they were hanging radiators all over the car... A/W vs A/A doesn't mean anything when it comes to efficiency. It's the efficiency of the IC system as a whole that matters, not whether it's A/W or A/A. In otherwords, one style doesn't necessarily mean that it cools the air more than the other unless all else is equal. The only reason we run A/W at all is packaging. It's a fact that A/A system is more efficient than A/W---problem is that it's difficult to package A/A on our car...

Any racer is going to run a system *just* adequate to obtain the power they require for an event to minimize weight and complexity. You know in a race environment they don't have a free for all on HP. Many times, there's a price to pay for HP to weight ratios (classification, weight, points, etc) and I believe that even played a part in this race...

In light of that, if they're running 13psi post IC, that mean they're pushing about 15psi pre IC. Let's just say that their IC is about 65% efficient. That's reasonable given a single front radiator in a race condition. That would mean at 15psi, the TVS is making about 225F air on a 95F day in a race condition and that sounds about right. To put that in perspective, on a similar day a M62 at 10psi makes about 220F air at about 7 psi, 255F at 9-10psi and over 315F air at 15psi--HOT... Furthermore, the 62 is so sucking up huge parasitic hp at that range and falling way off Eaton's M62 compressor map. Get this, it takes about a 2.5" M62 pulley to make 15psi vs a 3.3" pulley on the TVS to make 15psi It takes a lot of crank hp to turn a 62 tight enough to make 15psi on a 2ZZ...

A few more pennies...

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Here's a video taken yesterday with temps around 48*f.... Take note of the dark grey BOE/TVS built engine Elise being passed by a stock engine VF supercharger kit runnin with an off the shelf tune and less boost....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8sGO...layer_embedded
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Unless my perception deceives me, the grey Lotus lets the VF Lotus overtake (2:40 of the video). When they both hit WOT, it seems from the video that they perform almost identically (for example the WOT thing at the straight at 1:54 of the video).

Am I wrong?
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He let's him by because the car couldn't take the pace, you know how those TVE BOE cars are so track tested over and over again for max performance and yet he had to give a pass by knowin that it was over his limit......a wise move.
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Is it the first lotus that gets blasted or the second that just cant corner as well as the car the video is being taken from?
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Nick said it was runnin pig rich spitin flames on decel..... and it's Phil's buddy with all of Turbo/fools tunin....
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The real story on that pass was discussed in depth here:
http://britishspeed.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1595

Another video of a similar car just posted another vid and info here (the atom was a supercharged honda):

http://britishspeed.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1801

Very happy results here:

http://britishspeed.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1561

I can keep going... First hand experience rather than internet babble from someone that's never even seen the part, let alone driven one

Cheers,

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Old 01-31-2010, 12:27 PM   #250
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Can you post some dyno's of those cars?
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