All available motor swaps?

Toxygene · 11-03-2009, 12:25 PM

Do any other engines drop into the Celica Chassis besides the 1zz and 2zz? For example do the Camry V6 engines fit? Just curious.

VVTI1.8 · 11-03-2009, 12:28 PM

i think they might be a bit too big, at least from what i seen.

**GSBoek** · 11-03-2009, 12:42 PM

There's a swap thread in the stickies in this section. Read up on the links. Other engines might swap but only the ZZ series is a direct fit.

**Boosted2.0** · 11-03-2009, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSBoek

There's a swap thread in the stickies in this section.

^^^
This

short answer is No, there are no other easy swaps.

Carmaster · 11-03-2009, 04:31 PM

I know someone did a 3MZ-FE swap into a 6th gen Celica. But as for 7th gens, the 3S-GTE AWD swap is the only one I've heard of besides ZZ swaps.

3MZ 6th gen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGGN_6MmPeg

bt216 · 11-03-2009, 05:24 PM

This thread is moronic. Anything is swappable, just ask Justin at progressive automotive. Like posted above only a ZZ will fit directly.

youngxlos · 11-03-2009, 06:06 PM

lowredcruzr · 11-03-2009, 06:30 PM

anything is possible with the right amount of cash
justin

Toxygene · 11-03-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSBoek

There's a swap thread in the stickies in this section. Read up on the links. Other engines might swap but only the ZZ series is a direct fit.

I did check the thread but everyone in there was having sexy time with the K20.

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngxlos

LOL, that's a funny picture.

So the reason I asked is because it took a while for someone to even try a V6 swap into the old Celicas and the 3SGTE isn't exactly a simple engine. The Camry V6 still fit into the same space as the 3SGTE under the hood of the old 5th and 6th gen cars and if the 3SGTE fit into our cars then it's not too insane to reason that the V6 might fit as well. Besides, the same swap is done into the MR2 and those aren't exactly cavernous engine bays either.

youngxlos · 11-04-2009, 03:30 AM

^^^^yeah i couldn't resist so i posted it.

h8eternal · 11-04-2009, 04:07 AM

ive seen k series motors in the MRS so im guessing its also do able on a celica since the originally carry the same engine
also seen them in lotus

Toxygene · 11-04-2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h8eternal

ive seen k series motors in the MRS so im guessing its also do able on a celica since the originally carry the same engine
also seen them in lotus

I was hoping for more info about Toyota engines with a couple more cylinders and more torque.

**GSBoek** · 11-04-2009, 10:40 AM

You're not gonna find anymore info here than you could find elsewhere. The amount of custom work necessary to fit any engine other than a ZZ is a deterrant for 99.9% of the people.
If I was interested in fitting a V6 I'd spring directly for the 2GR-FE engine. The amount of work would be equal to fitting a VZ or MZ.

Toxygene · 11-04-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSBoek

You're not gonna find anymore info here than you could find elsewhere. The amount of custom work necessary to fit any engine other than a ZZ is a deterrant for 99.9% of the people.
If I was interested in fitting a V6 I'd spring directly for the 2GR-FE engine. The amount of work would be equal to fitting a VZ or MZ.

Sounds like fun!

Here's the 2GR-FE swapped into an MR2:

Here it is supercharged from the factory in Australia and shoved into the Aurion/Camry body.

And here is a thread where towards the end someone managed to swap in the 2GR-Fe into an MRS: http://spyderchat.com/forums/showthr...9&referrerid=0

Post 80 on there was the start of the most interesting part.

Dirk Lance · 11-05-2009, 12:49 AM

I guess with $$$ anything is possible. I want to start a project to swap a 2zz in my 92 civic!

Toxygene · 11-05-2009, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirk Lance

I guess with $$$ anything is possible. I want to start a project to swap a 2zz in my 92 civic!

Well, the spyderchat thread seems to imply that the 2GR-FE engine fits in the engine bay of the MRS without any crazy modification to the bay and isn't that expensive to pull off, relatively speaking.

**GSBoek** · 11-05-2009, 03:58 AM

Toyota Blade:

Might fit a Celica if tilted to the front.

Zimphire · 11-05-2009, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Toxygene

aaah.. .car porn. Love it.

farhanali89 · 11-05-2009, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngxlos

haha thats quality!

Toxygene · 11-06-2009, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSBoek

Toyota Blade:

Might fit a Celica if tilted to the front.

I can't wait to see pictures of that engine fitted into the MRS. It might give the answer as to how it might fit into the Celica.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zimphire

aaah.. .car porn. Love it.

Could you imagine that wonderful v6 exhaust rumbling in a Celica?

JonnyB925 · 11-06-2009, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxygene

Could you imagine that wonderful v6 exhaust rumbling in a Celica?

like this but in miniature?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/E...wap_122394.htm

**c3ll** · 11-07-2009, 08:05 AM

3,5 liter v6 in celi

Toxygene · 11-07-2009, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyB925

like this but in miniature?

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/E...wap_122394.htm

Great video, still, I would expect more people would be excited by the prospect of another engine as a possible upgrade for the Celica. I mean if it works for the MRS, then it would seem that it is a very real possibility for the Celica.

It might seem that the MRS is a better recipient of the 2GR v6 because of it's mid engine platform. Seeing as there are quite a few other front engine V6 powered front wheel drive cars does anyone else think that fitting the V6 would upset the handling of the Celica excessively or would it be something easily remedied with a stiffer suspension setup? Opinions? Experiences? Let's discuss...

**GSBoek** · 11-08-2009, 06:20 AM

It's gonna upset the handling considerably. Right now the weight distrubution is something in the order of 61/39. You're looking tipping the balance to at least some 65/35. The 2GR is considerably heavier than the 2ZZ. Expect increased understeer as that hunk wants to keep moving in the direction it's pointing. In an MR2/MRS it makes sense for all the right reasons (midengine/rwd).

Toxygene · 11-09-2009, 12:56 AM

2GR-FE engine has a service weight of 163kg / 359.35 pounds

2ZZ-GE has a dry weight of 115kg / 253.53 pounds

Which means that the V6 is 105 pounds heavier.

Could there be any weight saving sacrifices that could compensate for the weight difference? et. Carbon fiber hood, Braille lightweight battery, plastic sunroof, any other suggestions, that would make it worth while swap it in?

**Boosted2.0** · 11-09-2009, 08:38 AM

Its possible, but the 2GR is pretty huge. The 3MZ would probably be a more reasonable starting point.

Toxygene · 11-09-2009, 11:44 PM

Hi there Boosted! Glad you could chime in!

Would you know the dimensional differences between the 3MZ and the 2GR?

Also, the opinion on the spyderchat forum seems to be:

"the 3mz is a terrible motor because you have all the problems of a 2gr and its only 20 more flywheel hp than a 1mz. The 2gr is 100 more whp than a 1mz so if your going through all that work of wiring/fabricating you will actually get the benefit."

what's your take on that?

metal112524 · 11-10-2009, 12:22 AM

All that trouble and its still FWD... Whats it all worth?

Toxygene · 11-10-2009, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metal112524

All that trouble and its still FWD... Whats it all worth?

It seems that it's not as much trouble as it would seem.

I'm in the process of trying to get a general idea of the cost of this swap, but it doesn't seem to be anything crazy.

Toxygene · 11-11-2009, 12:31 AM

I got a rough price of about 6~7K for the swap but here are pictures of it completed in the MRS:

Quote:

Originally Posted by uspspro

Note: The width of the 2GR (with alternator and manifolds) is roughly 1.5-2" wider than the old setup at their absolute widest points. However the 2GR is much bulkier.

Note: I took a rough measurement of the distance from the front most point of the engine to the axle center line for each setup. Both engines were nearly identical at around 20" The extra mass behind the axles, is of little concern compared to the front. So this is good!

Since this was quoted for the MRS chassis, that would actually be better for the Celica since it would put that extra mass towards the center of the Celica.

Here is the swap thread: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=348509

**GSBoek** · 11-11-2009, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxygene

Since this was quoted for the MRS chassis, that would actually be better for the Celica since it would put that extra mass towards the center of the Celica.

I think you are understanding it wrong. From the comment from the MR-S I understand that he's saying that most of the weight is forward of the rear axle, the weight that leans towards the rear behind the rear axle is not much compared to the rest. Therefore the weight in the MR-S is shifted to the middle of the car, which is good.
For the celica that will mean that most of the weight will be towards the front of the car (both cars have the same setup so you just move the powertrain forward without changing the orientation). That will mean that the bulk of the weight he's talking about is hanging between the axle and the front of the car. Not good for the Celica.

Toxygene · 11-12-2009, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSBoek

I think you are understanding it wrong. From the comment from the MR-S I understand that he's saying that most of the weight is forward of the rear axle, the weight that leans towards the rear behind the rear axle is not much compared to the rest. Therefore the weight in the MR-S is shifted to the middle of the car, which is good.
For the celica that will mean that most of the weight will be towards the front of the car (both cars have the same setup so you just move the powertrain forward without changing the orientation). That will mean that the bulk of the weight he's talking about is hanging between the axle and the front of the car. Not good for the Celica.

I might have to ask him about that. His wording isn't clear enough. Still, the extra weight leaning forward couldn't be any more than many supercharger systems that hang off of the front of many 2zz and some 1zz powered Celicas, not to mention all the intercooler ducting that's part of those systems as well. So, even if I'm wrong on where the mass of the V6 falls, it doesn't seem that it would be any worse than a boosted 2zz. Plus the horsepower and torque gains would be much better. Currently with intakes, and headers people are dynoing this engine at around 290. If you put in the supercharged version, the power goes up to 329 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque. Plus the supercharger on the 2GR sits in the back not in the front.

**Boosted2.0** · 11-12-2009, 09:34 AM

What supercharged version?

Toxygene · 11-12-2009, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

What supercharged version?

It's offered in the Toyota Aurion: http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...e-front-wheels

It's the picture that was posted above:

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11-03-2009, 12:25 PM	#1
Toxygene Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 1,553 iTrader: (23)	All available motor swaps? Do any other engines drop into the Celica Chassis besides the 1zz and 2zz? For example do the Camry V6 engines fit? Just curious. __________________ Import Car Performance Tuning Network

11-03-2009, 12:42 PM	#3
GSBoek Newcelica daycare Join Date: May 2006 Location: All around the world Posts: 13,058 iTrader: (3)	There's a swap thread in the stickies in this section. Read up on the links. Other engines might swap but only the ZZ series is a direct fit. __________________ 2000 GT-S: SRI, Ported IM & Head, MWR Valves, ARP Studs, ES inserts, Ported Header, Custom Exhaust, 215/45R17. 1998 Camry: 2.2L of plain vanilla grocery getting fury. 1984 Toyota Crown: 6M-GE swap in progress. 3" Intake, Ported TB, P&P Head, Pacesetter Header, Custom Exhaust. 2010 Yaris sedan: Work dog (emphasis on dog) that is a rat favorite.

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bt216 Celica til Death Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,849 iTrader: (66)	This thread is moronic. Anything is swappable, just ask Justin at progressive automotive. Like posted above only a ZZ will fit directly. __________________

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11-04-2009, 04:07 AM	#11
h8eternal LS VVTL-i Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,844 iTrader: (20)	ive seen k series motors in the MRS so im guessing its also do able on a celica since the originally carry the same engine also seen them in lotus __________________ Sleeping juggernaut

11-04-2009, 10:40 AM	#13
GSBoek Newcelica daycare Join Date: May 2006 Location: All around the world Posts: 13,058 iTrader: (3)	You're not gonna find anymore info here than you could find elsewhere. The amount of custom work necessary to fit any engine other than a ZZ is a deterrant for 99.9% of the people. If I was interested in fitting a V6 I'd spring directly for the 2GR-FE engine. The amount of work would be equal to fitting a VZ or MZ. __________________ 2000 GT-S: SRI, Ported IM & Head, MWR Valves, ARP Studs, ES inserts, Ported Header, Custom Exhaust, 215/45R17. 1998 Camry: 2.2L of plain vanilla grocery getting fury. 1984 Toyota Crown: 6M-GE swap in progress. 3" Intake, Ported TB, P&P Head, Pacesetter Header, Custom Exhaust. 2010 Yaris sedan: Work dog (emphasis on dog) that is a rat favorite.

11-05-2009, 12:49 AM	#15
Dirk Lance Toyota Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Richmond, Tx Posts: 12 iTrader: (0)	I guess with $$$ anything is possible. I want to start a project to swap a 2zz in my 92 civic!

11-05-2009, 03:58 AM	#17
GSBoek Newcelica daycare Join Date: May 2006 Location: All around the world Posts: 13,058 iTrader: (3)	Toyota Blade: Might fit a Celica if tilted to the front. __________________ 2000 GT-S: SRI, Ported IM & Head, MWR Valves, ARP Studs, ES inserts, Ported Header, Custom Exhaust, 215/45R17. 1998 Camry: 2.2L of plain vanilla grocery getting fury. 1984 Toyota Crown: 6M-GE swap in progress. 3" Intake, Ported TB, P&P Head, Pacesetter Header, Custom Exhaust. 2010 Yaris sedan: Work dog (emphasis on dog) that is a rat favorite.

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11-08-2009, 06:20 AM	#24
GSBoek Newcelica daycare Join Date: May 2006 Location: All around the world Posts: 13,058 iTrader: (3)	It's gonna upset the handling considerably. Right now the weight distrubution is something in the order of 61/39. You're looking tipping the balance to at least some 65/35. The 2GR is considerably heavier than the 2ZZ. Expect increased understeer as that hunk wants to keep moving in the direction it's pointing. In an MR2/MRS it makes sense for all the right reasons (midengine/rwd). __________________ 2000 GT-S: SRI, Ported IM & Head, MWR Valves, ARP Studs, ES inserts, Ported Header, Custom Exhaust, 215/45R17. 1998 Camry: 2.2L of plain vanilla grocery getting fury. 1984 Toyota Crown: 6M-GE swap in progress. 3" Intake, Ported TB, P&P Head, Pacesetter Header, Custom Exhaust. 2010 Yaris sedan: Work dog (emphasis on dog) that is a rat favorite.

11-09-2009, 12:56 AM	#25
Toxygene Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 1,553 iTrader: (23)	2GR-FE engine has a service weight of 163kg / 359.35 pounds 2ZZ-GE has a dry weight of 115kg / 253.53 pounds Which means that the V6 is 105 pounds heavier. Could there be any weight saving sacrifices that could compensate for the weight difference? et. Carbon fiber hood, Braille lightweight battery, plastic sunroof, any other suggestions, that would make it worth while swap it in? __________________ Import Car Performance Tuning Network

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11-09-2009, 08:38 AM	#26
Boosted2.0 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 13,600 iTrader: (15)	Its possible, but the 2GR is pretty huge. The 3MZ would probably be a more reasonable starting point. __________________ Now offering: 2ZZ Performance Intake Manifold \| 2ZZ Ported Headers \| 2ZZ Ported Cylinder Heads \| PowerFC Harnesses for DBW and Auto 2ZZ \| MR2 Spyder 2ZZ Swap Kits \| Engine Builds \| Turbo / Supercharger installation \| Tuning Sales Inquiries: Sales@DDPerformanceResearch.com Technical Inquiries: Technical@DDPerformanceResearch.com

11-09-2009, 11:44 PM	#27
Toxygene Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 1,553 iTrader: (23)	Hi there Boosted! Glad you could chime in! Would you know the dimensional differences between the 3MZ and the 2GR? Also, the opinion on the spyderchat forum seems to be: "the 3mz is a terrible motor because you have all the problems of a 2gr and its only 20 more flywheel hp than a 1mz. The 2gr is 100 more whp than a 1mz so if your going through all that work of wiring/fabricating you will actually get the benefit." what's your take on that? __________________ Import Car Performance Tuning Network

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metal112524 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: tx Posts: 277 iTrader: (1)	All that trouble and its still FWD... Whats it all worth?

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