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Old 09-05-2012, 09:33 PM   #1
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rwd hatchback?

are there any good, fast, great handling, race worthy rwd hatchbacks that look good? hatchbacks are clearly the most sensible cars to own space wise, but most of them are fwd. the only rwd i know of is the AE86, but thats realy old. im talking about 1998+ cars.
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rwd - Rx7, Supra, 300zx, 350z, 370z, Merc C230
awd -3000gt Wrx/Sti, Gti, a few Saabs

If ur in Europe than a buncha other stuff we didnt get in the US
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The General Discussion section is for general topics regarding the Celica. Moving this to AOM.
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Is BMW 130i hatchback available in USA?

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dont know what you mean by space wise. trunk space? not really. you can fit fit taller things in the rear, but not as much surface space as a regular sized coupe with the rear seats down.
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Not 1998 but my favorite hatch
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I like the IS300, but the hatch back is horrible IMO.
Well when you take a boring color, and combine it with a horrible angle, obviously.



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just wanted to point out that there's a difference between a hatchback and fastback

i would consider ther is300 a wagon.

that said, continue on.
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these are all pretty expensive cars.
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With all the insurance money you save, you should be able to put up a good portion in cash.
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these are all pretty expensive cars.
They are coming down in price a lot (IS300). Not sure about the BMW
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i could afford a is300 or a e36 m3, but ive read that the e36 has alot of problems and that the is300 isnt very fast and that neither of them handle great.
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e36 m3, but ive read that the e36 has alot of problems
not really a lot of big problems,but its what you can expect from an older car. most common problem is cooling components failing. they are plastic, so you can expect them to change that out. also check the the rear sub-frame. its a bigger issue for the e46 3's,but never hurts to look as its a huge $$$ repair.

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1) Rear shock mounts

2) Rear Trailing Arm Bushings (RTABS)

3) Water pump (they seem to last about 40k miles even with the ss impellers, but 95 - mid 97 /Ms had a stock plastic impeller that failed routinely)

4) Transmission mounts (to avoid mis-shifts)

5) Shocks (oem seem to last about 40k miles)

6) Radiator (hose fittings crack - about 60k miles?)

7) Thermostat housing

8) Vanos failures seem to be fairly common

9) The undercariage panel seems to routinely fall off (and can be replaced with an aftermarket metal piece that stays)


Entire cooling system every 80-100K miles. (raidator, water pump, thermostat, expansion tank and cap, hoses)
Suspension bushings and ball joints. 80-100K miles. Front and rear.
leaky ass hose hose clamps on the power steering hoses, and on top of the gas tank.
Strange electrical problems, Look at the wiring loom on the left rear trunk hinge. The wires wear and short out..
Strange climate control problems. (sircuit board in the control unit fails, or a capicator dies. (pretty easy fix)


with that said, i would buy an e36 m3 anyways.
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i could afford a is300 or a e36 m3, but ive read that the e36 has alot of problems and that the is300 isnt very fast and that neither of them handle great.
IS300 stock isn't fast, but they have a 2jz-ge. They can easily handle 400whp. Aftermarket support galore.

If it helps, my car has 186k. I've only had to replace the cats, which is expected.
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but how does it handle?
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but how does it handle?
For a 4 door sedan, awesome. The steering is tight and since its RWD you can get the rear out if you want.

They handle really well and aren't that heavy for a 4 door sedan with a big iron engine.
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3400lbs is pretty heavy bmw is 3300lbs. would you say it handles better than the celica?
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3400lbs is pretty heavy bmw is 3300lbs. would you say it handles better than the celica?
You get 4 doors as opposed to 2, with a cast iron block that can take a shitload of boost.

Better than a celica? Probably not, but not many cars will handle better than a celica. With that being said, the handling is completely different also as it is FWD vs RWD.
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I really like the rex hatches and if they handle anywhere near the evo then it would be an awesome car.

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ok do you think a is300 or e36 m3 could be made to handle as good or better than an s2000
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I really like the rex hatches and if they handle anywhere near the evo then it would be an awesome car.

Sadly, it doesn't. It has a really numb steering feel, which is a bit like VW golf.
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ok do you think a is300 or e36 m3 could be made to handle as good or better than an s2000
The S is a dedicated 2 seat, light weight sports car. That being said It in stock form its more ment to be that type of car, But M3'z didnt become one of the most sought after sports/track cars for no reason. . . & the IS was toyota's first attemp against it.
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Supra, RX7 and similar cars are not HATCHBACKS, they are LIFTBACKS.
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Supra, RX7 and similar cars are not HATCHBACKS, they are LIFTBACKS.
for the purpos of this thread they are close enough.
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The S is a dedicated 2 seat, light weight sports car. That being said It in stock form its more ment to be that type of car, But M3'z didnt become one of the most sought after sports/track cars for no reason. . . & the IS was toyota's first attemp against it.
so you dont think a is300 could be made to handle as good as an s2000?
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Maybe it can if you add complete TRD upgrade. It's very intensive upgrade and one that turns what an otherwise a luxury sedan into a GT race car like handling.

http://www.trdparts.jp/english/list_altezza.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1COl8x1qts

Now of course what's shown on video is the 3S-GE 4cyl high-revver. But check out the handling and that's as good as it gets for IS chassis.
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so you dont think a is300 could be made to handle as good as an s2000?
I've driven both and they both handle amazingly and give the driver more rewarding fun than 90% of what your likely to be driving next to, that being said it's hard to compare a lux sadan to a dedicated sports car; but once you start throwing mods around its anybody's game.
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Well what car would you buy if you wanted a great handling reliable daily driver weekend warrior for under 10k? I would say s2000 but for a daily driver you'd want room to put things in it and a convertible probably has a loud cabin, so a s2000 isn't really daily driver material.
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Get a really cheap miata for the weekend/project/track car and a civic or some such for your daily driver under $10k combined.
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I never carry things around or drive people so I say s2000
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Yeah, I saw first hand how much speed S2000 can carry through corners. Definitely a pure driver's car.
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Well what car would you buy if you wanted a great handling reliable daily driver weekend warrior for under 10k? I would say s2000 but for a daily driver you'd want room to put things in it and a convertible probably has a loud cabin, so a s2000 isn't really daily driver material.
2 seat convertibles realy arent very realistic for a main DD, there more ment to be a 2ndairy, fun/flash, car. I would say get a Rx8 or Wrx for more overall convienece and easy of use. Handling wise there were alota reveiws putting the Rx8>S2k>350z tho power/acceleration was opposite.
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i like the rx8s and would like to have one. but i dont like rotary engines and would hate to have one. they last 100k miles tops. any car i buy would have 100k miles so i dont realy trust them. maby if there was an easy cheap swap i could do once it broke id get one, but i doubt there is.
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Ok so I did more research on the rotary engine and some of the forums say the engines die because people didn't redline them enough. They say it's good to redline rotary engines because at 7000rpms a port opens and if you don't open it regularly carbon will build up and it will get stuck shut. They also say redline doesn't do as much wear as in a piston engine because it is just spinning around and not throwing pistons up and down. That kinda makes sense to me, but I'm not sure about the other things. I have heard a lot of horror story's about them. But they claim it's mainly just the autos that die because they arnt redlined enough. If that was true then my next car would be a 6 speed rx8
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Ok so I did more research on the rotary engine and some of the forums say the engines die because people didn't redline them enough. They say it's good to redline rotary engines because at 7000rpms a port opens and if you don't open it regularly carbon will build up and it will get stuck shut. They also say redline doesn't do as much wear as in a piston engine because it is just spinning around and not throwing pistons up and down. That kinda makes sense to me, but I'm not sure about the other things. I have heard a lot of horror story's about them. But they claim it's mainly just the autos that die because they arnt redlined enough. If that was true then my next car would be a 6 speed rx8
I have had many Rotary powered cars. They literally burn out like a fuse so to speak. They have no worthwhile response to bolt on mods. A turbo helps immensely but it further accelerates the wear.

Rebuilding a rotary isn't terribly difficult or expensive but it will be constant. The RX8 has no get up and a go a Celica doesn't have and SWALLOWS gas like a 500 HP carbureted V8. So DD is impractical. They consume oil by design as well. They do handle amazingly well.
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Ya the 100k thing was very true of rotoz of the past but the newer Renises engine in the Rx8 is "supposed" to to be alot more reliable & durible, it mite make it to 150k lol
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Ya the 100k thing was very true of rotoz of the past but the newer Renises engine in the Rx8 is "supposed" to to be alot more reliable & durible, it mite make it to 150k lol
Better sure for n/a power numbers out of the box but they put down lower and lower WHP as they get older more often than not.
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So ehow thinks a 6 liter corvette engine makes 178hp? Idk who lied to them.
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Yea, I saw that it was a really simple design. I like the simplicity of it. Rebuilding a rotary looks far easier than a piston engine. I just wonder how much they cost and how hard it would be to pull out of the car. I don't mind that it burns oil. There is no way it burns as much as my gt. the gas mileage is a concern tho
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