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Old 08-11-2010, 05:27 PM   #1
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2012 Porsche 911 (991)

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Porsche will launch an all-new 911 next year, a car that will be thoroughly re-engineered in the face of increased supercar competition, while also featuring refreshed exterior styling and a much higher quality interior. Here, Autocar looks at the tech behind the new 911, codenamed 991.

Layout

The new model retains the classic rear-engined layout of the 997 and every other 911 since the original was introduced way back in 1963, albeit with modifications to the engine mounting points, which have been optimised for improved weight distribution.

As with today’s 911, the front-end structure, complete with its MacPherson strut suspension, has been designed to be shared with the Boxster, a third-generation model of which is due to reach the UK in March 2012. The rear end, with its reworked multi-link suspension, remains largely unique, and the steering uses an electro-mechanical set-up.

Body and weight

The next 911 retains a predominantly steel platform structure and a body constructed from a combination of steel, aluminium and plastic composites. A series of weight optimisation measures has pared kerb weight by around 45kg in base trim, bringing the new 911 Carrera down to around 1525kg.

Engines

The engine line-up is based around upgraded versions of Porsche’s six-cylinder, direct injection petrol unit, boasting incremental increases in power and torque and slight reductions in fuel consumption and CO2 emissions.

When UK sales get under way in 14 months’ time there will be a 3.6-litre engine with 365bhp and 295lb ft in the Carrera. It will be joined from the outset by a revised 3.8-litre powerplant delivering 415bhp and 325lb ft in the Carrera S.

Both engines will come with a six-speed manual gearbox as standard; the seven-speed PDK (Porsche Doppel Kupplung) unit is an option, with shift paddles behind the wheel. Automatic stop-start and a brake recuperation system are also planned, helping to provide a claimed 12 per cent gain in city driving economy for the rear-drive Carrera and Carrera S.

The Carrera S will also receive a standard electronically controlled differential and, in the four-wheel-drive Carrera 4S planned for October 2012, an electronic torque-vectoring device to complement the existing model’s long list of driving aids. Further variants will follow in time, including more powerful versions of the Turbo, GT3 and GT2.

Hybrid

Porsche is tight lipped about a petrol-electric 911. “We’ve already got a Cayenne hybrid and we are working on a similar solution for the Panamera. However, the 911 is a totally different proposition in terms of performance, weight and packaging,” said an insider, hinting such a model is still some way off.

Despite further studies into electric versions of the 911, Porsche sources suggest they will not be offered for sale to customers. “We are investigating pure electric drive systems but no decisions have been made on their production future,” said our source.


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Porsche feels that the best remedy for this decline in sports car sales is fresh product with advanced technology, and thus is preparing the most ambitious 911 update in years.

Unlike the current-generation 997, which was a thoroughly revised 996, the next 911, codenamed 991, is definitely brand-new. Big advances include a redesigned suspension (albeit still the same basic strut-front, multilink-rear setup), electrically-assisted power steering, a push-button handbrake, optional twenty-inch wheels, more powerful engines, and last but not least, a seven-speed manual transmission. That's right, seven. Additionally, the 991 is said to be about 100 pounds lighter and ten percent more efficient than the current car. To achieve that last aim, Porsche is refining the aerodynamics, introducing a new thermo-management complete with advanced battery management technology, and incorporating stop-start technology and brake energy regeneration. There will also be new high-performance capacitors, which can store -- and release -- more electric power than a battery alone. Predictably, the next 911 remains loyal to the traditional rear-engine layout, but to improve cabin space, directional stability, and the handling at the limit, the rear axle moves back nearly three inches.

The 991 also seeks to set new standards in the ride and handling. That's why the Carrera S gets more powerful, six-piston front brakes, Porsche Torque Vectoring, optional dynamic engine mounts and a bunch of suspension-related wizardries labeled PDCC. Depending on model and specification, the ride height will be lower by 0.4 to 0.8 inches and the brake discs will sport a larger diameter. The S model features twenty-inch wheels and quad tailpipes. The base Carrera can be identified by dual oval exhausts, black brake calipers and nineteen-inch rims. In all models, the motorized tail spoiler automatically extends at 60 mph.

Inside, one finds a cockpit layout inspired by the Panamera. This applies in particular to the more legible instruments and the wider centre console, which rises from the transmission tunnel to the dashboard. New options include third-generation radar-based cruise control, dual-zone automatic air conditioning, keyless ignition, a Burmester sound system, and even more elaborate power seats. Thanks to the four-inch wheelbase extension, the 991 is said to be more spacious, more stable, and more comfortable. In terms of engines, the evolution is mild, with slightly more powerful direct-injected flat-sixes. The Carrera will be powered by a 350-hp 3.4-liter unit (up 5 hp from today's base 3.8-liter), while the S model benefits from a beefier 3.8-liter rated at 400 hp. Although Porsche has plug-in hybrid applications in the pipeline, it is still tight lipped about power, range, price, and timing. And, of course, there will be the aforementioned new seven-speed manual gearbox, which has been derived from the PDK dual-clutch automatic. We can't wait to come to grips with its dogleg shift pattern.

One year after the coupe debuts, Porsche plans to launch the cabriolet. If you think you've seen it all when it comes to novel drop tops, then wait until you get a look at this open-air model, which ditches the classic canvas roof for a lightweight retractable hardtop covered with man-made fabric. As far as novelty value goes, you really couldn't ask for much more than that.

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Old 08-12-2010, 01:00 AM   #2
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Love it. Looks like the cayman's big brother.
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Wait till the actual thing, I have a feeling it's not going to look like the renderings much.
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electric steering - fail

curb weight of 3356 - fail

"increased driver aids" - fail

more elaborate power seats - fail

how many cupholders does this thing have?
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All the more reason to get the new Boxster.
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All the more reason to get the new Cayman.
fixed.


Definitely looks like a VW bug though...
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Report: Next-Gen Porsche 911 to Offer 7-Speed Manual, Plug-in Hybrid
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As on the Panamera, the next 911 may get a fuel-saving engine start/stop feature as well as regenerative braking and new battery management technology. Electric power steering should help improve efficiency as well. For those concerned with flash, 20-in. wheels are said to be an option.

Just as the next-generation Chevrolet Corvette won't become a mid-engined car, the new 911 will remain rear-engined. Even so, handling is better thanks to the rear axle moved back almost three inches.

After seeing the upcoming Porsche Cayenne, it's no surprise that the new 911's interior will take cues from the inside of the Panamera.

The base engine, reports Automobile magazine, will be a 350-horsepower 3.4-liter six-cylinder engine. Perhaps learning from the development of the 918 Spyder and the 911 GT3 R Hybrid racer, Porsche may debut a plug-in hybrid (like the prototype we caught testing not long ago) during the course of the 991's lifecycle.
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Eh, emphasis is on the word "may" I think. The corvette "may" have sucked just like this "may"be a mortal sin. I doubt they will do it for at least another 4 years or so.
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So the new 911 is basically becoming a Panamera like coupe?
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So the new 911 is basically becoming a Panamera like coupe?
they've been pushing the 911 away from sports car and towards grand tourer for a long time.

One could argue since they made the first 928 with the intentions of that replacing the 911 (at which point customers bought the 911 at a 2-1 ratio).
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[QUOTE]Codenamed 991, the heavily re-engineered coup
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Spied! Next-Gen Porsche 911 with Even Less Camouflage






I can already tell that I'm going to hate the tail-lamp when the finished product debuts. They're huge.
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looks really long - makes sense since they supposedly added more rear seat room.
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Oh hey, cool, a coupe Panamera.
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The 911 should be a race car. Should always be short and rear engine biased. Make a Panamera coupe for the people who want a GT with more lux, more room, and benign driver aided handling. Porsche is killing off the 911.
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The 911 should be a race car. Should always be short and rear engine biased. Make a Panamera coupe for the people who want a GT with more lux, more room, and benign driver aided handling. Porsche is killing off the 911.
they have the GT3, GT3 RS, GT2, GT2 RS and GT3 4.0 RS

not to mention Cayman R and Boxster Spyder

what more do you want?
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^ He probably doesn't realize that because porsches have a backseat they still can be beasts.
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they have the GT3, GT3 RS, GT2, GT2 RS and GT3 4.0 RS not to mention Cayman R and Boxster Spyder. what more do you want?
They have the GT2/RS, GT3/RS/4.0 for now. If the 911 continues to grow and weighed down with accessories... And, the Cayman R and Spyder are not GT2's and GT3's. Although the Cayman will likely go towards GT2/3 versions in the future. Porsche seems to be positioning the Cayman as the 911 replacement. Which is the point, they seem to be weeding out the 911, or more specifically a rear engined car in favor of mid and front engined cars. Not against the Cayman being improved upon, just that the iconic 911 should stay in the mix.
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^ He probably doesn't realize that because porsches have a backseat they still can be beasts.
On the contrary. Of course the new 911 will be a beast. It's a porsche. But it will loose some of the classic 911 character by being lengthened and it's axle moved back for bigger back seats.
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I doubt they will ever kill off the 911; to much history.
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By Alborz Fallah | July 23rd, 2011

We are not 100 percent sure exactly what this is, but we suspect it’s the new 2012 Porsche 911 Turbo S.



Whilst we’ve previously posted photos of the ‘standard’ 911 Turbo, this one looks a little bit tougher.



Even though the current 911 Turbo S doesn’t have quad pipe exhausts, this mule does. Other next-gen prototypes we have seen so far have had two big single exhaust pipes, one on each side, this prototype is clearly something more hardcore.



Nothing is yet officially confirmed regarding this beast’s powerplant but we no doubt the new 911 Turbo will feature a high performance turbocharged flat-six engine, with some reports suggesting power outputs upwards of 420kW. Which is pretty darn impressive. Even more so if the Turbo S gets an additional 20-30kW on top!
Sort of looks like a boxster with a hard top now that the rear fenders are getting extra wide/not flowing with the roof.
More pics http://www.caradvice.com.au/129621/2...991-spy-shots/
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they tried to kill off the 911 before, with the 928 (dramatically superior vehicle).

Didn't work - the old ****s still want their ass engined cars.
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The 2012 Porsche 911 has been revealed in leaked images. The images show the new 911 for the first time with no disguise or any sort of covering. As suspected, the exterior design is more of an evolutionary move by Porsche, rather than a completely new rehash.



From the front we can see the new 911 will showcase a modern headlight design with LED lighting. The headlight clusters remain round like the existing Porsche 911 range. Slight changes in the front bumper bar have been made including a new set of daytime-running LEDs encrusted into the front edges.



Taking a look inside we can see the new 911 will offer a more grown-up layout with increased sophistication. The centre of the dash features chunky beams and support contours which run from the gear level mounting area up to the top vent on the dashboard; a completely new layout compared with the existing 911 range.



At the back, the new 911 is bit more distinguishable, with the key characteristic that differentiates it from the existing model being a squashed down tail, leaving thinner taillights and a more sloped rear windscreen. The engine cover also now features three-tier venting compared with the existing four-tier layout on the current model.



Other major changes include an extended wheelbase which is said to provide more interior room, particularly for rear-seat passengers. The overall length of the new model is also stretched to 4490mm, up 56mm over the current model. While the length has been stretched, the height of the new model from the roof to the ground is apparently shortened by 11mm.



Official details on the engine specifications and trim levels are yet to be revealed, however, international reports say the new entry-level model will come with a 3.4-litre engine producing around 257kW. The unit is believed to be completely different to the 3.4-litre item found in the Porsche Cayman. It is believed the Carrera S will come with a similar 3.8-litre unit as the current model, with slight power increases (speculated to produce 294kW).



We’ll have to wait until the official unveiling at the 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show for more concrete details. In the meantime, feel free to give us your thoughts on the new design and layout of the 2012 Porsche 911 in the comments section below.
Meh. I dont like it. Entire front end looks like a vw beetle. The rear lights are too small and have lost one of things I really liked about 911s.

Cayman is winning out of the modern porsche line up.
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Same front, same side, new rear, and new interior. I can't wait to hear what Jeremy Clarkson thinks.
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I like the rear. Do not like the front much.
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Not sure I like the tail lights all that much, but they may grow on me. Overall I like it.
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Overall not bad. Lowering it improves the looks of the new added length. Smart move.
Hmmm... tail seems similar though.

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so its become a grand tourer?

I'll pick one up in 10 years or so.
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Behold: The all-new 2012 Porsche 911 has been revealed.

Iconic Details, Bigger Package


Indeed, as we’ve seen from a preponderance of spy shots, Porsche designers made sure the new 991 generation looks the part. Its iconic fender shapes, ovoid headlamps, and fast tail remain, but it looks fresher and sleeker. The nose has a more aggressive lower fascia, although the LED running lights are still located directly atop the intakes. The headlamps gain more complex innards, and the side mirrors move from the A-pillar to the door. Around back, the taillight elements are squinted and smaller, the chunky blocks around the license plate have fallen off, and the quad exhaust finishers are replaced with a more understated duo of outlets.

Sitting lower overall, the stretched wheelbase (by 3.9 inches) gives the car a lower stance, an impression furthered by the wider front track. Porsche is withholding full specifications, but we’re told the overall length is only slightly up from the 997 generation. The new body makes more use of aluminum and Porsche says it’s 100 pounds lighter. It retains the same 0.29 Cd, and now is said to have virtually no front or rear lift, thanks in part to a wider, variably extending rear spoiler.

The new cabin reflects the Porsche Carrera GT–like design that’s marked new Porsches since the Panamera, with a sloped center tunnel placing the shifter closer to the steering wheel. The execution is simpler than in the Panamera or Cayenne, though, with fewer buttons. The traditional five-pod instrument cluster keeps a large tachometer in the center, while a useful multifunction color display finds a home to the right of that. The 2+2 seating layout remains, but don’t expect those tiny back seats to offer much more room even with the extra space between the wheels.

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The 911 is a driver’s car, and our extensive experience in a prototype confirmed that Porsche kept dynamics at the top of its priority list. We’ll have to wait for a turn behind the wheel of the finished product, though, before our fears are allayed regarding the 2012 911’s electro-mechanical power-steering system. We wouldn’t normally be this skeptical, but a big steering change made in recent BMWs—to a fully electric system—resulted in a numb tiller, so we’re feeling a bit burned. A Porsche spokesman, however, tells us that the setup is specific to the 911 and that “the steering is the most important part of a Porsche.”

Other mechanical updates include a new engine for the base Carrera. Downsized by 0.2 liter from its previous iteration, the 3.4-liter flat-six (it’s different from the 3.4 found in the Cayman and Boxster) in the 991 will make 5 more hp than the 3.6, for a total of 350. The Carrera S will get 400 hp from its 3.8-liter, an increase of 15. Porsche claims a PDK-equipped Carrera will hit 60 mph in 4.4 seconds, or 4.2 when dispatched with the assistance of the optional Sport Chrono package’s launch control. Those times drop to 4.1 and 3.9 seconds for the Carrera S. We figure we’ll see a tenth or two better than Porsche’s estimates. Maximum velocity is 179 mph in the base car and 188 mph in the S.

U.S. dealers will start receiving shipments of shiny 991s next February, and you might need the intervening months to save for the price increases: $83,050 will be required for a base Carrera, a jump of $4300, while a Carrera S will set you back $97,350, $5900 more than last year. Porsche says both models will pack substantial increases in standard equipment that justify the hikes, but we’ll have to wait until next month in Frankfurt to learn more.

This is, of course, just the first fusillade from the type-991 911 cannon: Plenty of variants will be spun off from this basic coupe, including a next-gen cabriolet, Turbo, Carrera 4, GT3, GT2, Speedster—well, you know the drill.


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everyone in my neighborhood has a 911 - i'ma look into an R8 when they get cheap enough.
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Btw I saw two silver ones caravaning in town ............ lovin it.
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Sort of eating my own type, but really liking the new proportions.
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Someone remind me again why we need 7 forward gears in a manual.
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Someone remind me again why we need 7 forward gears in a manual.
Cause we all need that low rev at 150 mph to save gas ...
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I've heard nothing but bad things about the new steering system
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"And what about GT-R? PCA spokesperson Paul Ellis says: "GT-R is not a rival. People who buy the Nissan do so because they want our car and can't afford it."

Meow!!!!"

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2...arrera-s-27736
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I got to say the new proportion looks very nice.
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"And what about GT-R? PCA spokesperson Paul Ellis says: "GT-R is not a rival. People who buy the Nissan do so because they want our car and can't afford it."

Meow!!!!"

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2...arrera-s-27736
What a total douche. You have to go to the top of the 911 scale to get something that is GT-R rivaling, and then your paying twice as much.
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Total douche indeed.

The keyword coming out of the PCA spokesperson is "afford". Yet the question refers to rival in terms of performance.

But you know, that is the kind of attitude you tend to find when you pay a visit to the higher end of society. Here in Indonesia there is a Porsche club, which every now and then organize open days and track days. Anyone who don't own a Porsche can come and see, but the minimum requirement is you have to drive a European car.

Welcome to the Porsche club of Indonesia, where members has more money than sense.
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