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Old 09-26-2003, 09:27 AM   #51
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Old 10-07-2003, 12:46 AM   #52
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so what if you had f/i? How much would it make a difference? How would you launch if there was too much torque with street tires or drag radails. Currently I have the bridgestone RE750. My next tires are the BFGoodrich T/A drag radials. thanks illusive!
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so what if you had f/i? How much would it make a difference? How would you launch if there was too much torque with street tires or drag radails. Currently I have the bridgestone RE750. My next tires are the BFGoodrich T/A drag radials. thanks illusive!
forced induction especially turboes are VERY tricky to get to launch perfectly.

You have to find the fine line between bog and wheelspin.

It will take allot of practice to launch a 190ft-lb turboed celica.

Just ask smaay, and JDM 2zz.

Best advice I can give you is find out where full boost comes on.

aka 4K 4500 rpms ect.

then launch about 500 rpms lower and slip the clutch just a tad.
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:27 PM   #54
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i thought u need to launch that way so ur rpm do not go down....

am i wrong?


also i agree if u slip the clutch u burn clutch only, if u dump it too hard u can twist axel or **** like that....
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:29 PM   #55
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what technique do danGTS use?

what rpms. just everything cuz im dissapointed in my stupid 15.4 launching jsut dropping the clutch at 3500. tell me how do reach mid 14's guys.
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:38 PM   #56
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what rpms. just everything cuz im dissapointed in my stupid 15.4 launching jsut dropping the clutch at 3500. tell me how do reach mid 14's guys.
if ur stock..u wont hit MID 14's. what mods do you have?

15.4 isnt that bad.
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Old 10-21-2003, 01:55 PM   #57
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not stock

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Old 10-23-2003, 10:33 AM   #58
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if ur stock..u wont hit MID 14's. what mods do you have?

15.4 isnt that bad.
It's not impossible
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Old 10-26-2003, 11:57 AM   #59
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It's not impossible
ur running 14.78 right? until u hit 14.5 Im sticking by it.
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ur running 14.78 right? until u hit 14.5 Im sticking by it.
You obviously forgot about my 14.491 I'm not stock anymore though so we'll see what I get now!
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Old 10-29-2003, 12:32 PM   #61
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forced induction especially turboes are VERY tricky to get to launch perfectly.

You have to find the fine line between bog and wheelspin.

It will take allot of practice to launch a 190ft-lb turboed celica.

Just ask smaay, and JDM 2zz.

Best advice I can give you is find out where full boost comes on.

aka 4K 4500 rpms ect.

then launch about 500 rpms lower and slip the clutch just a tad.
SO true. i drove smaay's car and i had problems launching perfectly. i had too much wheelspin at launch so i only got 13.9 in it. he was getting 13.5's

he told me he launches at 6k. soo hmm i guess its a combo of slipping the clutch and giving the right amount of gas.
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Old 10-30-2003, 11:49 PM   #62
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yeah you gotta remember hes used to racing his car you're not that changes alot. I'm willing to bet switching drivers in my car would result in slower times too just cause every car is unique and takes more then once to get used to!
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still want this thread to be a sticky?
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still want this thread to be a sticky?
would be nice.
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Old 12-08-2003, 01:06 AM   #65
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You obviously forgot about my 14.491 I'm not stock anymore though so we'll see what I get now!
that was gutted

Took me long enuff to reply.
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If I'm on street tires I rev up to 5500-4500 depending on how the track is that night. I slip it until I have a decent amount of tractiom and just gun it. 2.113 was my best on street tires. For drag radials I rev to 5500rpm and just dump it. 2.0xx.
I'm going to revive this old thread because I was just at the track today. Track preparation has ALOT to do with 60 foot times. I tried revving to 5k and dropping the clutch on drag radials on my first run. All I did was spin like nuts. I pulled a 2.200 today by revving to 3500-3700 dropping the clutch (tires would spin slightly) and then flooring it as soon as I felt it start to catch.
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I'm going to revive this old thread because I was just at the track today. Track preparation has ALOT to do with 60 foot times. I tried revving to 5k and dropping the clutch on drag radials on my first run. All I did was spin like nuts. I pulled a 2.200 today by revving to 3500-3700 dropping the clutch (tires would spin slightly) and then flooring it as soon as I felt it start to catch.
What kind of drag radials and what psi were they at?

I use BF Goodrige drag radials at 18-20psi with a 7200rpm drop I still couldn't break them free. My worst 60' with them thus far has been a 2.189. Best has been a 2.002. I just found that at the track I run at 5-5500 dump works best for me.

Also are you heating them up before launching?
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I am using BFG g-force TA drag radials, 205/50-15. I tried heating them up before the first run, but they felt like they got real greasy and wouldn't grip at all with a 5000 rpm clutch drop. I ran something like a 2.6 60' time. I have the car set at zero camber and was running the tires at 28 psi warm. All my subsequent runs were made at 26 psi warm. I actually read in Sport Compact Car a while back that they did not recommend burning out drag radials. I was doing a very quick spin of the tires, but not in the water box, basically just break them loose and then kick in the clutch. I was able to break them loose off the line with a 3500 rpm clutch drop. They would spin just a tiny bit and I would go to full throttle immediately. Then the car would bog a bit and take off. Some fault may also be due to my coilovers being very low in the rear and not keeping the weight on the front tires effectively.
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Strange. I wonder if the track is just not well preppeed and that's the reason why traction is suffering. The reason I mention the 7200rpm drop was a test I did on my part to see if I could make them break free. I did a quick dust off on the tires, floored the car, and dumped the clutch when it turned green. The tire gave a slight chirp and that was it. Only thing I did find with the drag radials is that there is always a slight bog after the inital jump out of the box.

I have coilovers too, so I don't know. What was the temp when you ran? I've run in 94, 92, and 90 deg. only. I didn't have a single chance to run this winter. Try a lower air pressure and dust em off a little longer. :-/

BTW I never use the waterbox either.
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Well it was a pretty cold day (around 50 degrees), so I think track temperature was causing somewhat of a problem. I've noticed my street tires don't grip well when it gets cold and I would think the compound in drag radials would be even more sensitive.
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Old 05-17-2004, 05:00 PM   #71
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I am using BFG g-force TA drag radials, 205/50-15. I tried heating them up before the first run, but they felt like they got real greasy and wouldn't grip at all with a 5000 rpm clutch drop. I ran something like a 2.6 60' time. I have the car set at zero camber and was running the tires at 28 psi warm. All my subsequent runs were made at 26 psi warm. I actually read in Sport Compact Car a while back that they did not recommend burning out drag radials. I was doing a very quick spin of the tires, but not in the water box, basically just break them loose and then kick in the clutch. I was able to break them loose off the line with a 3500 rpm clutch drop. They would spin just a tiny bit and I would go to full throttle immediately. Then the car would bog a bit and take off. Some fault may also be due to my coilovers being very low in the rear and not keeping the weight on the front tires effectively.
Jesse, lower your tire pressure down to 20psi. Sometimes you have to take them down even lower depending on the preperation of the track.
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Old 05-20-2004, 09:47 AM   #72
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illusive.. if you have street tires do you recommend heating them up.. if so how do you burn them out and second do u use the same technique for street tires?

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illusive.. if you have street tires do you recommend heating them up.. if so how do you burn them out and second do u use the same technique for street tires?

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What i do with my street tires is drive around the waterbox. Then rev it to about 6k and dumped the clutch so i spin my tires until i get up to the staging area. That way my tires are nice and clean. Im able to pull consistent 2.1's and low 2.2's with this technique.

Launching i rev it to about 6.5k and slip the clutch until i feel the tires grab then i dump the clutch and i am usually all the way off the clutch at around 4.5k to 5.5k.

btw i think i ahve the best 60' on street tires on this site with a 2.121.
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What i do with my street tires is drive around the waterbox. Then rev it to about 6k and dumped the clutch so i spin my tires until i get up to the staging area. That way my tires are nice and clean. Im able to pull consistent 2.1's and low 2.2's with this technique.

Launching i rev it to about 6.5k and slip the clutch until i feel the tires grab then i dump the clutch and i am usually all the way off the clutch at around 4.5k to 5.5k.

btw i think i ahve the best 60' on street tires on this site with a 2.121.
if you've ever raced at different tracks you'll want to mention youcant do that at every track. lol not all tracks are prepped well.

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Old 10-08-2004, 06:19 AM   #75
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I printed out Illusive's guide and am taking it to the track with me today, thanks for posting the info.
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Old 10-13-2004, 12:15 PM   #76
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I printed out Illusive's guide and am taking it to the track with me today, thanks for posting the info.
how'd ya do?

btw thanks for the compliment.


I launch differently on street tires than drag radials.

Its just a modified version of the first post. Its much less throttle off the line and a slow depression of the accelerator until i'm confident i'm 100% hooked.

also like lucky said, bad prepped tracks=launching nightmare.

One day at carlsbad conditions were so bad we had to street start (as if you were normally taking off from a red light) with drag radials on to get close to a 2.1 60'. anything higher would be wheelspin and 2.3 +.

Just get a feel for the track, and start out with a good amount of throttle if your first launch sux, then you can pretty much tell how much traction there will be and adjust for it on your next run.
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Old 10-16-2004, 02:55 PM   #77
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I met Jesse at the track, got stuck in traffic and got there late hoping it we be empty but there were still cars running qualifying for an event the next day. I completely choked on the first run like I always do for some reason, spun through 1st and 2nd and hit the rev limiter even with a shift light on every shift, lol. I got 4 runs in (blew 2 of them) trying to get used to launching higher, took me a while to figure out how much throttle to give it, it's a lot to try to do in a short time. I finally felt like I got it right on my last run but due to some technicalities I was red lighted and got no time on the run. Definitely want to go back this year, this was my 4th trip in 3 years so I was really out of practice, I'm gonna go back in a few weeks weather permitting. I think I need to try a few runs launching at lower rpm before trying anything over 6k. My best timed run for the day nearly tied what I ran with the stock ECU and wheels, proves your best mod is always a good driver, I need to get lots more practise in.
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Old 10-16-2004, 03:17 PM   #78
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If I may reiterate my question from above.

What reasons do the guys at the track have for not letting me do a fwd burnout? They won't let any fwd cars stop when thier front tires are in the water box. They keep waving me forward until my rear tires are in it.

I can do a burnout on the dry pavement but, would that do me any good?
Whatever you drive, you should not drive through the water box. That brings water to the staging lanes.

For fwd cars, you don't need to worry about the water box, your rear tires shouldn't go into it. That would also bring water to the staging lanes. Just drive around the the water box, back up a bit before it, (making sure your rear tires don't get wet), and then do your burnout. If they are pointing for you to back up, just tell it's front wheel drive. You may be able to do a burnout next to the waterbox also. The burnout is to warm up your tires so they are a bit sticker, plus it cleans off any debris on the tires.

If it's your first time at the track, you can skip the burnout to make things eaiser, or if you want to save your tread.
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Yeah you slip to control the amount of power going to your wheels to maintain the most grip possible, dumping is cool if you have drags on.
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Yeah you slip to control the amount of power going to your wheels to maintain the most grip possible, dumping is cool if you have drags on.
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Old 11-10-2005, 01:05 PM   #82
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i just tryed illusives way and wow i couldnt launch my car for **** and now i know how to. im gone to the track tomorrow night hopefully i wont **** up like i did my last time
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Old 11-10-2005, 01:27 PM   #83
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Yeah i'm not bad, but kinda get some tire hop, and ohhh how i hate that. Practice and alot of 8th miles i guess.
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Just thought I'd add a little. I've been using Illusive's launch method ever since this thread was posted. I've been getting 2.10 60's on street tires. I've gotten that 60' time with 16" tires and 17" tires. I've gotten VERY close to hitting that 2.0 on street tires.. maybe next time.
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Old 08-07-2006, 12:13 AM   #85
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Back to launching technique. Ok. Someone dumping clutch, someone slipping, someone using handbrake & slipping.
Dumping clutch not working well with street tires - they will spin a lot. So, I'm trying to slip clutch at start. Since my best 1/4 time for now 15.76 (first time on the track) - then I'm doing something wrong. Need some help with theory. So, questions:

1. What will be the best launch rpm for street potenza 205/50/R16 with LSD and JUN Flywheel? I've tried to start from 3000-3500, but looks like I'm launching too slowly.
2. When light turn green, I'm starting to release clutch and at the same time pressing gas pedal util it meet floor (not flooring right away, but when wheels got traction and clutch completely released).
3. Also, I've noticed that I'm getting a lil wheelspin (at least sounds like wheelspin) on 1-2, 2-3 shifts. Is that ok?

Any help will be appreciated.
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Old 09-05-2006, 07:23 PM   #86
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So what do you guys launch at with full inflated tyres (32psi-36psi)?

And how did get to the method of launching at certain rpm? Did you launch from low rpm and work you way up until you lose traction?

Or try every rpm and see what gave you the best time?

Edit: Don't worry. I just went to the track wednesday night and did best 60ft for 2.239". But didn't land lift so only got 14.8. Best run was 2.306" 60ft [email protected]

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looks like I need to get back to the track and try these different styles!

my best time was 15.116 @ 93.43 with a 2.362 60', and that was with the stock clutch/flywheel. hmm..... looks like I need to launch it differently


then again, I don't drop the PSI down or take out the spare tire or do other such preps that the hardcore draggers do.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:36 PM   #88
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So what do you guys launch at with full inflated tyres (32psi-36psi)?

And how did get to the method of launching at certain rpm? Did you launch from low rpm and work you way up until you lose traction?

Or try every rpm and see what gave you the best time?

Edit: Don't worry. I just went to the track wednesday night and did best 60ft for 2.239". But didn't land lift so only got 14.8. Best run was 2.306" 60ft [email protected]

Thanks guys.

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Deflate to 17psi for best results. If you absolutely insist on keeping tires inflated, then try launching around 4k with slipping clutch and 1/2 throttle then go WOT and dump it once you're off the line with traction.

We just experimented with different high rpm drop rates, clutch slip/dump, and throttle combinations until we found one that worked best for us.

Personally, for me.. in my GTS.. my best method was rev to 7k, slip 1/2 throttle then go WOT/dump once I was off the line.

In the STI, rev to 6-7k, blip throttle 2-3 times to get turbo spooling, WOT and dump. Wheeeee!!
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:57 PM   #89
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all depends on the car. my srt4 use to make 330tq on to the ground on stock turbo and i was cutting 1.8 60ft times on a 17" nitto drag radial, stock suspension and the bottom motor mount wasnt contected(thank the dealer). My srt4 went 12.8 at 109 with a 1.8 60ft and 7.9 at 88 at irwindale with i think it was a low 1.7 or high 1.6 on slicks. im not to sure because it was a while back. i use to do a good burnout line up and slip it. when i was on stock tires i was cutting 2.1-2.0 but was letting the clutch engage a little by using the e-brake but that ate up clutches like crazy so i stop doing that lol.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:10 PM   #90
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ya i know i'm probably gonna get a ton of crap for this, but you guys got any tips for an auto gt-s? (^_^) i know you can't do a lot of the same stuff, especially only have 4 gears since the rpm's fall below the 6000 mark everytime you shift. but it'd be fun to at least smoke some friends (^_^) a buddy of mine's got an 06 eclipse i wanna race. and the celi is no drag car.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:33 PM   #91
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Thats Awesome thanks Illusive!!! Your the man, I have an 02 Gt-S 6 speed, and I needed that!!
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how do you launch an automatic/tip GT-S 2001 ?
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Old 07-07-2008, 10:34 AM   #93
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how do you launch an automatic/tip GT-S 2001 ?
you do an auto to manual tranny swap and then launch the normal way.
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:52 PM   #94
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how do you launch an automatic/tip GT-S 2001 ?
put the car in L and wait for the light to turn green. hold down the brake to the floor, and rev the car lightly, say 1500. when the light changes to green drop the brake and floor it.
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^ dude did you not check the year that was posted?
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The thread in general is ancient In his defense the question went unanswered.
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^ dude did you not check the year that was posted?
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Old 07-16-2012, 05:19 PM   #98
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The thread in general is ancient In his defense the question went unanswered.
It's not that hard to figure out. I think i'd be a little embarassed just asking the quesiton.
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It's not that hard to figure out. I think i'd be a little embarassed just asking the quesiton.
Just read his Mod list.
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Just read his Mod list.
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