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Old 10-25-2008, 05:27 AM   #1
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GT-Four Brake on ZZT231

No adaptor needed, Dia300mm discs are for MBenz. We need to find a disc with correct offset to avoid hitting the lower ball joint. Machined to PCD100 5 holes for Celica. We also made a ring for the center hole for the disc.

The Caliper is fitted on the other side of the hub. i think you get the idea by looking at the pic. the caliper needed to machine 3mm off so the disc will be seating on the center of the caliper.

Cost for it is around US$770 (Calipers, Discs, modification of discs and caliper, labor)

Just installed last night.
Discs are still running in.




http://www.febi.com/cn/service/suche...lt/febisearch/
Type in number 24076 for disc spec

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Old 10-25-2008, 07:55 AM   #2
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very nice

Looking at the Hyper Rev Celica magazine, all of these hardcore Celi uses the GT4 ST205 calipers.
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Looking good! You should paint the calipers as well to match ur car's color since you've gone custom anyway. Props for our HK brother!
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Do you get the chance to test out how well they brake?? I am sure it's kinda hard since you don't really get a lot of open straight roads over there...
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:33 PM   #5
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I wouldn't try it at high speed until the discs are fully ran in.
A thin film of protective oil is still on the braking surfaces.
I have to wait until it evaporate.

Initial impression is great, graduate reponses. The more you step on the pedal, the more power it gives you.

I used high temp paint to paint it black, will paint the letters silver when i got the chance.
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:25 AM   #6
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the mercedes discs have 58.5mm height, so look at theese brembo discs

09.4965.10 for a ferrari 348/355

http://www.brembo.com/ITA/catalogo_AM/2007/index.html

same dimension, 61mm height.... maybe you don't need to machine the caliper


and is a ferrari brake, very cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:39 PM   #7
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Damn it... I didn't see that...
Thanks anyway...
So, when are you going to do this?
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I don't know, not so close, I hope before christmas...
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:42 PM   #9
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preludekid,

what kind/model of pads are you running?

the rotor has to be the 300mm rotor?
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:20 PM   #10
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I am still running on Toyota pads. It comes with the old caliper, so....
After driving with it a while, I am definitely going for after market pads.
I mean this setup is perfect... it got the look, and it got the performance.
I am going for TRD or Endless. I used TRD before and I think it is good. My friend has a ST205 GT-Four, he said the best one to go with their car is Endless pad... So, I am still thinking.

For the other part, yes you have to use 300mm disc. This is radius that we got if you install this. Bigger disc will add weight to the rotational mass anyway....
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ok, note to use 300mm disc.

got some info that the stock 205 rotors are 315mm.

regarding the pads. do you have to trim off any parts to get it to fix into this setup? ie: GT4 caliper on Merc Rotor in a Gen7 Celica.
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:58 PM   #12
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I see what you meant. but the mounting location is different.
Their mounting arm for the caliper extend out a little more then ours.
Therefore, we can only have 300mm rotor

i did nothing to the pads.
just machined the caliper, modified the rotor, trim off the dust shield. thats it.
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did you just use the front disc brakes???
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Old 12-02-2008, 10:20 PM   #14
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yes, front only
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yes, front only
can you list what u used i might do this the brakes are bigger right???
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Stock ST205 brakes are indeed 315mm.
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http://www.celicagtfour.com/205_brake_upgrade.htm
Go here to find out more.

My setup is a improved version of his setup.
As I said before, you can't use 315mm.

I found out that the hub of 185 alltrac is 95% identical to 7th gen.
The owner of alltrac use 297mm. 1 reason that I think he use the 205 rotor is because he doesn't have access to other rotors.

If you don't want to change to longer studs and add a spacer for the rotor, you must use the correct offset to avoid hitting the lower ball joint. Which he had also explained in his website.
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Rocketeer offroad and performance makes a nice brake upgrade kit for the ST185 with a custom rotor with removable hat - you should contact him and see how much it would be to get a hat & rotor made for you. His kits use wilwood calipers which are also nice though.
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what if we used a GT4 rotor a machined to 300 mm it would be a Direct fit right ? its the same offset etc right ?
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ok, very nice, but where can i find there caliper, anyone have a toyota part number or a easy way of finding these?
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another thing, i assume so since no one is saying anything about this, but would the stock brake cylinder, the pump, support these fine?
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First of all, original GT4 rotor will not work because it touches the lower ball joint.

I don't know the caliper part number but i think you can ask 6GC guys about it.

stock brake cylinder, the pump, support it no problem. I have went to some twisty roads and I am still alive.
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First of all, original GT4 rotor will not work because it touches the lower ball joint.

I don't know the caliper part number but i think you can ask 6GC guys about it.

stock brake cylinder, the pump, support it no problem. I have went to some twisty roads and I am still alive.
thanks but if you machine the rotor of the GT4 to 300 mm will it be a direct fitment or the off set is not the same ?

or does discs from febi any good

becouse here they are asking 48.99 € thats 66.48 USD deliverd thats cheap

but using does rotors it will be the same off set and no need for studs or spacers right

do you no what car does rotors are from i mean the merc car year etc

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Old 01-09-2009, 05:27 PM   #25
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No, ^^^ the gt-four discs wont fit if they are milled because they protude too far backwards onto the axel area.
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:46 AM   #26
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If you use the 205 rotor, it will grind the lower ball joint. This is my setup.
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Ahhh i see what you mean....I'm thinking though that a spacer on the hub would help cure the grinding...?

Depending on how large the spacer is needed, maybe the caliper bracket could then just be machined down and it'll line up nicely.
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of course you can get a spacer for the hub, and that will solve the grinding problem. However, you might need to change to longer studs.
Also, there is a possiblity of wheel shake if your spacer is not balance or properly install. So, my advice is stick with the solution with the less parts for the assembly.
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Would there be any problem if it grind the lower balljoint?
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but if insted of taking 3 mm of the calipers we can put a 3 mm spacer in the hub its the same thing and the disc will be a litle bit away from the ball joint right

also will this fit the stock 16 wheel ? it should ft becouse the GT4 was a 315 mm discs and it uses 16 inch wheels

i also found out that trial uses this kit for the ZZT231 but they use a R32 GTR brake rotor its 296 mm 32

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Would there be any problem if it grind the lower balljoint?
lol, yes!!!

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but if insted of taking 3 mm of the calipers we can put a 3 mm spacer in the hub its the same thing and the disc will be a litle bit away from the ball joint right

also will this fit the stock 16 wheel ? it should ft becouse the GT4 was a 315 mm discs and it uses 16 inch wheels

i also found out that trial uses this kit for the ZZT231 but they use a R32 GTR brake rotor its 296 mm 32
Problem of the spacer on the hub would be that the caliper would then also need to move outwards by the same amount. That would be achieved by shaving down the bracket lightly...in theory it should work. As long as somebody can afford the downtime (like me at the moment!) then I'm fairly sure this shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world to do.

And yes, 315mm discs should be fine on 16" wheels, as my wheels on my car had come off from a st205 when I bought them.
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the center ring you talked about is for the hole facing the wheel not inside the disc right ? please give me the mesures
iam going for this setup the merc discs so i do need to take 3 mm of the calipers also ?

thanks

also i could no find the drawing of the Celica GTS

but could some one telme if this drawing is the same as the ones on the GTS



is the disc hub of the GTS 132mm also ? becouse the merc was 153 mm

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The center ring that I refer to is not the mounting face (C), it is (F) with Dia55mm on the drawing.
The one for mer has a larger diameter. This hole helps you put the rotor on the same axis of the rotating hub.

Oh yes, please be aware of the wheel that you are using too. Cause not every wheel has enough space for the caliper.
If that happen, you might need wheel spacer.
My wheels has 3cm left for clearance after fitting everything together... barely made it.

My house is under minor renovation, it is a mess right now. Once it is done, I try to take off the wheel and take picture.
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lol, yes!!!
And yes, 315mm discs should be fine on 16" wheels, as my wheels on my car had come off from a st205 when I bought them.
315mm might be cutting it a bit fine in regards to ventilation. I know 300mm is what the R32 GTR ran with 16" rims. Can't really say for certain as I don't use larger rotors, but they do create a larger heat sink.
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315mm might be cutting it a bit fine in regards to ventilation. I know 300mm is what the R32 GTR ran with 16" rims. Can't really say for certain as I don't use larger rotors, but they do create a larger heat sink.
iam gona use the merc discs

they are 300 mm

but note that the Celica sT205 used a 315mm discs on 16 inch wheels and they are almost completly seald you cant see the calipers most of the times and no issues for it
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[QUOTE=Celicasaur;4553486]lol, yes!!!

Can elaborate more on what the potential problems might faced in this grinding situation?
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lol, yes!!!

Can elaborate more on what the potential problems might faced in this grinding situation?


the ball joint is a moving part of the suspension , if hit the disc it will wreck the disc and destroy the ball joint , that was the suspension moving lower arm if gets really damaged it will , supose at high speed you can have acident etc , trust me its bad
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Guys, I can't find the mercedez benz rotors, I looked on febi's website but it doesn't say what benz model and year they come from, I don't wanna have to import those rotors, I can get brembo or EBC rotors, but I need to know what year and model.

also, did the stock brake line fit with no mods ? is it long enough ?
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Oh thats bad cos i think mine is grinding but the mechanice tells me its ok.
Think i better ask for another mechanic to advise.

Thanks for the information.
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hmmm...how about if the lower ball joint was milled down on the outside edge slightly...
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Reducing the strength of steering and suspension components doesn't sound like a flash idea to me.
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i have a prob i need 15 mm wheel spacers to the caliper to fit is there any draw back on using 15 mm spacer gona do it on the 4 wheels whit longer studs
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this is the pics from a guy in portugal that did this mod recently and helped my out on the center disc ring mater have mine finished too gona painted the calipers red, then gona take some pics to put here PS this is great mod and the car BREAKS like hell and i have not brake ward becouse the discs are still giving in
but he is using the same discs i am the brembos heres a few shots from he

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stock zzt disks ^^^ ?
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wow well done. i like it
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congrat,

I was going to take my wheel off to take better pictures for you tonight.
Looks good mate
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this is not my setup but iam also gona use the 15mm spacers this is from another guy but iam gona use the same discs they for a merc from brembo like he is and gona use a 15mm spacer also on all 4 wheels like he is gona paint red , and he was black , celicasur the discs ARE 300 MM GTS stock are 274 mm , and this are alot more thick also
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Care to share which merc disks they are? As in, which model merc the discs come from etc? I've got a pair of ST205 calipers also and need to make them fit because my set up really needs extra braking power
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