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Old 04-10-2010, 03:43 PM   #151
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power output.

4 bangers don't generally get that big because its harder and harder to keep them in balance.

compare a 2.6L V6 to a 1.3L rotary and you've got similar power outputs, but far less size and weight.
Hmm, true they aren't usually that big but the F22C and F20C makes very similar power. I take the whole 2.6l thing just to make the displacement more comparable to other engines through the number of combustion cycles per 2 rotation, like a 4 cycle. I guess it doesn't really matter in the end though. I mean v6 aren't often made as that small.
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Slightly unrelated note, I've never understood why rotary engines are often compared to v6s. After a little reading engines like the 13B seem comparably to 2.6L 4 cylinders. High revs no torqs, sounds like a 4 banger to me.
Isnt that the other way around???

Such a big 4 cyl engine will have no revs at all and will have higher torque instead!
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size doesn't determine hp/torque. it's the bore x stroke aspects. more stroke, more torque, more bore, more hp. not to mention a 2.6L I4 would outweigh the rotary alot.
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not to mention a 2.6L I4 would outweigh the rotary alot.
How do you figure? If at 5.7L V8 comes close to a 13B why wouldn't an engine with half the cylinders and displacement be similar if not better?
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How do you figure? If at 5.7L V8 comes close to a 13B why wouldn't an engine with half the cylinders and displacement be similar if not better?
we're talking about a 13b with two turbos and all the plumbing.

the 13b can't be compared to the Renesis.
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Sports Car to Get All-New Rotary That Runs On Gas -- or Diesel!

But, as our source explains, the green light for production has not yet been handed down from the top. That's because Mazda's engineers, wanting to keep the rotary alive, have not quite worked out the best combination of performance, fuel economy and emissions.

Our source tells that the next generation 16X rotary, as it's called inside the company, has achieved significant improvements in fuel efficiency but still lacks the strong top end punch Mazda is striving for. Other issues include oil consumption -- the current RX-8 rotary swallows burns more oil than it should. Power for the 16X is expected to clear 300 hp, with 0-60 mph acceleration times dropping to under 5.0 seconds.

Intriguingly, the 2-stroke 16X rotary prototype does not seem to mind what fuel it sips, which is why Mazda engineers are proposing it be set up to run on either gas or diesel. In fact, some industry types say that the rotary can run on just about anything, even castor oil. With this combination, Mazda hopes to rectify the prototype's shortcomings.

A recent independent survey revealed that demand for an affordable rotary powered sports car is still as strong as it's ever been in the U.S. If it wasn't for the U.S. market, and more precisely Mazda North American Operations, which continues to push for the introduction of a new RX-7, the car would have been shelved years ago. But the RX-7 lives, and Mazda has even given us some hints as to what the new car might look like, with expressive sheet metal echoing the avant-garde surfacing of concepts such as the Kabura and Furai.


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A rotary that runs on diesel and gasoline... Hah.
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Kinda looks like a new camero and a 350Z had a baby.
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of course it consumes oil - its a god damned rotary, its supposed to consume oil.

when are these journalist idiots going to wake up, bother to learn how the rotary engine works, and shut up about oil consumption.
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of course it consumes oil - its a god damned rotary, its supposed to consume oil.

when are these journalist idiots going to wake up, bother to learn how the rotary engine works, and shut up about oil consumption.
Why do they consume more oil
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:52 AM   #162
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Why do they consume more oil
its deliberately added into the combustion chamber to preserve the apex seals.
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Intriguingly, the 2-stroke 16X rotary prototype does not seem to mind what fuel it sips,
I found that to be pretty funny.

Diesel here is 50 cts cheaper than gas, I can see rotary owners here liking the idea.
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There is no way it can run on Diesel and gasoline. Mercedes had a design and patent for a Rotary Diesel, they utilized a 2 rotor configuration but it was very different to a conventional Wankel. They used the front rotor to pre-compress the fuel/air mixture and then sent it to the 2nd chamber where it would be ignited. Diesels need such high compression and fuel pressure to operate, it would be nearly impossible to convert it to gasoline on the fly.
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and diesels use different plugs if I'm not mistaken - they don't actually fire a spark, the heat and pressure are what cause the combustion.
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There is no way it can run on Diesel and gasoline.
There actually is, the words are Curtiss-Wright. They developped the technology for the military in the 70's and it was an engine that ran on diesel with spark. That would cover Marc's comment at the same time.
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Ok and how would they solve the pre-compression rotor -> combustion rotor housing. There is no way for a rotary to build the compression in a single housing.
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There actually is, the words are Curtiss-Wright. They developped the technology for the military in the 70's and it was an engine that ran on diesel with spark. That would cover Marc's comment at the same time.
todays humves, probably a product of the 70s, can run on diesel, gas, just about anything

now saying that they will run like sh!t on gas but they will run and get you where you need to go
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Ok and how would they solve the pre-compression rotor -> combustion rotor housing. There is no way for a rotary to build the compression in a single housing.
Correct, but then their engine wasn't a true diesel that used compression ignition. It ran relatively low compression and made use of spark ignition to ignite the diesel fuel by stratifying it through direct injection. It wasn't a true diesel in that sense, but it ran on diesel fuel nonetheless and from what I understood ran quite well. There are some SAE papers around that cover it.
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The reverse compatibility of those components are the main issue.

Regardless, we can all agree that the latest news is a BS report.
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The surprise here is that the new rotary will have company in the engine bay via forced induction or some other kind of assist. There are murmurs that the company is working on a hybrid version using the rotary engine. Details are still sketchy at best, but the good news is that we’re relatively sure that the rotary engine and the RX name is here to stay.
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Mazda is planning a turbocharged successor to the much-missed RX-7 that could arrive as soon as 2013.

The new RX-7 — which could be called RX-9, according to insiders — will retain the rotary Renesis technology employed by its predecessors and the RX-8.

This is despite the RX-8 — production of which will end next month — suffering from a shortage of torque and poor fuel economy.

But Mazda is considering a wide range of radical options to help the powerplant deliver better economy and the torque required to keep pace with rivals like the VW Scirocco.

One source told us: “We’re testing the rotary in conjunction with technologies including an electric turbocharger.”

The new model is seen as ideal candidate for the Nagare design language, which is inspired by nature — in particular, wind and flowing water — and produced five highly rated concepts in 2006 and 2007.

Nagare will not feature on any future Mazda concept cars (the firm will reveal a new design direction in the autumn) but it will still make it on to the firm’s upcoming production cars, including the newly launched 5.

Employing Nagare’s side panel creases should prove a more straightforward process on the RX-9 sports car.
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now I know that report is bunk because Mazda officially denounced Nagare design language on their new models.

So this "source" is talking out their ass.

Hell, I'd like to see a twincharged (turbocharged / supercharged) gas-electric hybrid rotary

That'd be sweet.
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now I know that report is bunk because Mazda officially denounced Nagare design language on their new models.

So this "source" is talking out their ass.

Hell, I'd like to see a twincharged (turbocharged / supercharged) gas-electric hybrid rotary

That'd be sweet.
I thought this too, but then again it could be kept slightly the same since it is a car with a legacy to uphold.
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RX-7 to RX-9? Mazda Still Toying with Name Change, Rotary
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Mazda still is teasing us with rumors of the return of the RX-7; rumors that continue to heat up as production of the RX-8 - the Japanese automaker's only Renesis rotary-powered vehicle in its fleet - winds down this year.

We hear that the engine still being considered for the new RX-7 is a version of the 16X direct-injection rotary powerplant first unveiled at the 2007 Tokyo motor show. But according to a source close to Mazda, the engine still does not meet the company's goal of lower emissions, better fuel economy, and beefier mid-range torque, issues that plagued the RX-8.

One insider tells us that to remedy this situation, engineers are thinking outside the box and "testing the rotary in conjunction with technologies including an electric turbo." We were also told not to expect a hybrid or hydrogen interference, as those have been tested and apparently don't solve the underlying issues Mazda is trying to address.

In addition, we hear that if the car gets the green light, Mazda is seriously considering changing the name from RX-7 to RX-9, a moniker that has been tossed around before. If the RX-7 actually does reach production, don't expect it before calendar year 2013 at the earliest, possibly wearing some of the same design cues featured on the latest Mazda5 as rendered in the illustration at top. Mazda has indicated that its design direction will be moving away from the 'Nagare' flowing theme seen in the illustration, but it will likely take a generation or two for the new direction to supplant the present aesthetic.
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Not true. JP8 or a diesel/kerosene alternative. No Gas.
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What the hell is the octane rating on that?
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What the hell is the octane rating on that?
over 9000
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Nothing as far as news is concerned. Just some random rendering.
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right now i feel the rear end probably looks very awkward, very round in comparison to the aggressive front end.
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Enough with Mazda's stupid obsession with smiling grilles. That **** was ugly the second it was made.
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Nothing as far as news is concerned. Just some random rendering.
I am a big fan of Mazdas little obsession with big flared fenders up front. It reminds me of old American Roadsters and whatnot. But i just read every post in this thread and have decided to dissolve all hope for this car to "get the green light." This thread is old, and still it's exactly where it was in the beginning.

I'm sorry, RX-7, i'm not waiting for you any longer.

/breakup to Micheal Bolton.
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http://www.themotorreport.com.au/553...-2017-yamamoto
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