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Old 05-29-2009, 03:11 PM   #101
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Here's the link to his picture/mod thread.

https://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=269206
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:18 PM   #102
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Here's the link to his picture/mod thread.

https://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=269206
That's nice but it doesn't show the offset for his TSW wheels. Plus there still aren't any clearance shots for behind the wheel.
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Old 05-29-2009, 07:43 PM   #103
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That's nice but it doesn't show the offset for his TSW wheels. Plus there still aren't any clearance shots for behind the wheel.
you kidding right? look at these shots, about as perfect angles too see how they sit flush to the fenders





now im not saying brad dosent know what hes running but on tsw site they dot list the 19x9 tsw site

another reason why i think they are 8" wide not 9" is because a 235 tire that hes running will look stretched on a 9", and his tires arent stretched, but its best to ask brad to be 100% sure




i think a 9" will be ok in the front, but will maybe just maybe rub on the rear lower arm

this is the one im talking about that may be rubbed the the 9" with a +35
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:10 AM   #104
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I love the shots of his fender to wheel gaps. I saw those on the link posted. I really wanted to see that shot of the wheel to suspension clearance in the front. I'm surprised there was an issue with clearance in the rear as in this thread there is someone who ran a wider wheel fitment in the rear with only fender rolling as the only requirement.

I'll PM Brad and see if he can chime in.
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Old 05-30-2009, 02:51 PM   #105
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The wheels I just put on, (check sig) are I believe 17x7 with a 45mm offset. I'm going to look around town for a couple 10mm spacers for the rear because they are way too far in imo and i'd like the flush look. Does this seem about right 10mm?
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Old 05-30-2009, 05:44 PM   #106
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The wheels I just put on, (check sig) are I believe 17x7 with a 45mm offset. I'm going to look around town for a couple 10mm spacers for the rear because they are way too far in imo and i'd like the flush look. Does this seem about right 10mm?
OH YOUR the guy that bought those wheels... If you just bought those off a guy locally, I was looking at the same wheels in Canada.

A 10mm offset should be fine.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:21 PM   #107
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Cool thanks, Your looking for some aswell? Id checkout craigslist and ebay you might be able to find some second hand for a decent price because they are oem. I got lucky and snagged some brand new ones for a good deal
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And by 10mm offset you mean a 10mm spacer right, bring the offset down to 35mm'ish. Or should I go more cause its only 7" wide??
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:40 PM   #109
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And by 10mm offset you mean a 10mm spacer right, bring the offset down to 35mm'ish. Or should I go more cause its only 7" wide??
You could go higher if you wanted but I think a 10mm spacer is good enough. If you're anal, then you could convert your wheels width into mm then subtract that from the width of an 8.5 inch wheel converted into mm then divide that by 2 and add to 10mm to find out just how much farther you could go.

OH and the whole reason I was interested in the guy who was selling your wheels was exactly because they were NOT second hand. Nice find!
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:05 AM   #110
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Thanks man, I got 48.1mm cant make sense of it though, do i need to go 13mm total?
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Old 05-31-2009, 06:28 PM   #111
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Thanks man, I got 48.1mm cant make sense of it though, do i need to go 13mm total?
7 inches = 177.8mm
8.5 inches = 215.9mm
215.9 - 177.8 = 38.1mm (Represents 1.5 inch width difference in mm)
38.1/2 = 19.05mm (halving the difference in width gives you difference in available offset)
10 + 19.05 = 29.05mm (This is the spacer that in theory you could run to push the 7 inch wheel with a 45offset to be as flush as a 8.5 wheel with a 35offset.

Boom Done!

Now whether or not you actually want to use a spacer almost 30mm wide is up to you.

Also, if you want to know. 45offset less the 29.05mm spacer means that 15.95 offset is equivalent to the offset of a 8.5 inch wheel at 35 offset.
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Old 06-01-2009, 02:05 PM   #112
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7 inches = 177.8mm
8.5 inches = 215.9mm
215.9 - 177.8 = 38.1mm (Represents 1.5 inch width difference in mm)
38.1/2 = 19.05mm (halving the difference in width gives you difference in available offset)
10 + 19.05 = 29.05mm (This is the spacer that in theory you could run to push the 7 inch wheel with a 45offset to be as flush as a 8.5 wheel with a 35offset.

Boom Done!

Now whether or not you actually want to use a spacer almost 30mm wide is up to you.

Also, if you want to know. 45offset less the 29.05mm spacer means that 15.95 offset is equivalent to the offset of a 8.5 inch wheel at 35 offset.
Thanks alot man! Im probably gonna go with 20mm tho. 30mm seems insane, anyone using 30mm?
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Old 06-01-2009, 02:40 PM   #113
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Thanks alot man! Im probably gonna go with 20mm tho. 30mm seems insane, anyone using 30mm?
There are a few companies out there that sell all sorts of wheel spacers:

Here's one that sells both H&R and Eibach spacers:
http://www.lpiracing.com/pc/Toyota-H...cers-c9306.htm
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:41 PM   #114
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I just bought 18x8 +35 TSW's...

...so after reading this thread, I guess it would be safe to say that the best tire size to go with on an 18x8 rim is 225/35 for best look and no rubbing, correct?
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:40 PM   #115
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I just bought 18x8 +35 TSW's...

...so after reading this thread, I guess it would be safe to say that the best tire size to go with on an 18x8 rim is 225/35 for best look and no rubbing, correct?
Yes, 225/35 is "perfect" for keeping the speedometer in sync. The two best brands of tires that will have a decent ride with that low of a profile are the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 and Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric. At least from every review I've read those come in at the very top.
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:46 PM   #116
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you kidding right? look at these shots, about as perfect angles too see how they sit flush to the fenders





now im not saying brad dosent know what hes running but on tsw site they dot list the 19x9 tsw site

another reason why i think they are 8" wide not 9" is because a 235 tire that hes running will look stretched on a 9", and his tires arent stretched, but its best to ask brad to be 100% sure




i think a 9" will be ok in the front, but will maybe just maybe rub on the rear lower arm

this is the one im talking about that may be rubbed the the 9" with a +35
I talked to Brad. He told me his wheels are 19x8 and wasn't sure what is offset was. It looks like it is in the 35 offset range judging by the pictures.
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Old 06-01-2009, 07:59 PM   #117
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Yes, 225/35 is "perfect" for keeping the speedometer in sync. The two best brands of tires that will have a decent ride with that low of a profile are the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 and Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric. At least from every review I've read those come in at the very top.
what about 225 / 40 instead of 35? i know it'll be a thicker wall but would it rub fender?
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There are some people who run that tire and claim they have no problems. Your speedometer will read slow by about 2+ miles. I don't know how low you are dropped either. There could be a need to fender roll in the back.
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The speedometer is important to me, but definitely not as important as the tires rubbing.

All i have are TEIN S.Techs. So it's not that big of a drop. i have noticed a rather big price difference between the 35 and 40 series tires. The 35 is more expensive than the 40. i guess the 40 is more common.

I rather have a 225/40 not only cuz of price, but if I was to catch a flat, 40 would give more cushion for the rim.

So ultimately... yes or no question: Will a 225/40 R18 tire rub having TEIN S.Techs?
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^^ 225/40 is what 90% of us with 18s run .......................... i ran 245/35 before and i didnt like it ................ and no s.techs with 18s shouldnt have issues



and yeah i was pretty sure brads werent 19x9 by how his 235 sat on the wheels
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I think we can surmise that any wheel with 8.5 width fits with a 35 offset.

It should take an offset higher than 35 to fit a 9" wide wheel. A extra .5 wide wheel will add 6.35mm to the front and back of the wheel with a 35 offset. This would mean that to get the same flush fit the offset should actually be 41.35 to achieve the same look. It's basic arithmetic. Take the .5" of extra width and convert it into mm. Divide that by 2 to get how much is being added to both the front and back of the rim. Then add that to the offset of 35 to shift the wheel back to being flush with the fender.

The only thing to look out for is to see if there is a half an inch of clearance behind the wheel. The reason being that if you go with a 41~42 offset, you are essentially transfering the extra .5" of width to the rear of the wheel. It will take some measuring and practical examples to see if this is the key to pulling it off.
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Old 06-10-2009, 11:38 AM   #122
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I dont know why I didnt run into this thread before. I just ordered
18 X 8 +40mm rims with 225/40 tires from tire rack.

I am lowered on eibachs sportline springs.

From reading this thread I feel that I shouldnt have any problems. Can someone second me please
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:15 PM   #123
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Really sorry for the NOOB question but I'm trying to figure this out. An 18x8 +40 would sit closer to the fender than the same wheel with a +35? Would it be even closer if I go +42? too close? Again I apologize for my noobnees!
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The higher the offset, the further it is into the fender well. Lower the offset the more it brings it out

So 35 would be better than 40 or 42. You would really be better with a 20-30mm offset on a 8" wide wheel
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:43 PM   #125
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i took my rear wheel off my matrix and tried it on nic0s car for fun:


18x10 +20 245/40/18.

he currently is running 17x9 +30 w/ 215/40/17 in the front:
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the lower the number of the offset the farther out (more flush) the wheel is
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yes. it also depends on the width of the wheel tho.
a 17x8 +30 wont poke out as much as a 17x9 +30
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:52 PM   #128
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^ok so what kind of drop should i be looking for? if i wanting 17'' rims?
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it depends.
r u trying to go for that nice aggressive stance?
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yea but nothing like nico car...not trying to roll fenders or anything.but even with 17" rims what the widest i should go? 8" or 8.5...but i guess that depends on the rims i want...and then spacers might be needed huh? man so much work lol
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0oo0 idunno much about fitment without rolling the fenders.
im basing alot of this info off of nicos fitment so im not sure.
im guessing 17x8.5 +35 would be cool?
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if you want to be aggressive, just roll the fenders. it doesnt really damage the car and it keeps the wheels from rubbing on anything
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oh yea,
you can fit any rims on the celica. just have to make adjustments to make it fit.
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what would i need to make mine look agressive.
im on 17x7 +42
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^u need a new set of rims.
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^u need a new set of rims.
LOL yea...
ur gonna need THICK spacers to get those thin wheels flush.
it doesnt look right most of the time either when ur running flush thin wheels.
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what would i need to make mine look agressive.
im on 17x7 +42
25-30mm spacer
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^ so 18x8.5 i should run 215/35? i needa find out my offset
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^ so 18x8.5 i should run 215/35? i needa find out my offset
the tire size u should run depends all on the offset.
with an 8.5, id shoot for somewhere around +15 in front and +5 in the back.
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^ so 18x8.5 i should run 215/35? i needa find out my offset
You can run 225/35 to make the speedo happy or you can run 235/35 to get the most tire on that wheel. It will only throw the speedometer off by more than 1 mile an hour at 60MPH.

As for Nico's wheels at 17x9, this presents some new questions regarding tire sizes, safety, and possible grip performance increases.

Assuming fitment with a proper tire size won't be an issue, then a 255 series width would be best for performance. To keep the speedometer in check a 255/35/17 series tire would be best. I've only been able to find 255/40/17 series tires which puts the speedometer at roughly 2 miles more at 60MPH. Not too bad. When you go to 18 inch wheels you can find a 255/35 series tire which seems to have the same effect on the speedometer.

Next would be 245/35/17 and 235/40/17 which according to Toyo's Tire specifications are within tolerance when put on 9 inch wide wheels. At the 18 inch range you could use 245/35/18 or 235/35/18 to be within spec of what rim width the tire could fit on.

The fuzzy area is where you run a 225/45/17 series tire on a 9 inch wheel and use the 45 series aspect ratio to help you make the stretch. Toyo's 225/45/17 series tire is said to be able to fit up to a 8.5 inch width. At this point speedometer inaccuracies would probably be mitigated by stretching the tire so I won't even mention it. You could in theory also use a 225/40/17 series tire but personally I'd use the extra sidewall as protection. Obviously, handling performance isn't an issue at this point. I would be curious to know just how stretched the tire would be and how much angle it would create in reference to the face of the wheel.

He states that he's running s 215 series width on a 9 inch wide wheel which seems to be a tad small for such a wide wheel. I've read about people blowing wheels out when they start stretching their wheels.

In addition to all this information, the other needed information would be how much of a drop was needed to tuck the wheels inward. The more you drop a car, the more negative camber you tend to create as a result. Negative camber is not a bad thing to have on a front wheel drive car in the front. It isn't as beneficial in the rear however. You can also artificially create negative camber with camber kits as well. So between offsets, camber, and lowering, it should be able to fit wider tires to better take advantage of those wide wheels.
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i took my rear wheel off my matrix and tried it on nic0s car for fun:


18x10 +20 245/40/18.

he currently is running 17x9 +30 w/ 215/40/17 in the front:
What is his drop and amount of negative camber?
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Nicos running slammed on ksports with natural camber
Dunno the exact numbers
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he currently is running 17x9 +30 w/ 215/40/17 in the front:

thats my goal.

so km thinking i run around a 17x10 +28 with some Federal tires??? 215/45/17 that should be a good stretch


what he is currently running on?
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thats my goal.

so km thinking i run around a 17x10 +28 with some Federal tires??? 215/45/17 that should be a good stretch


what he is currently running on?
He says it in the quote you posted... lol
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thats my goal.

so km thinking i run around a 17x10 +28 with some Federal tires??? 215/45/17 that should be a good stretch


what he is currently running on?
17x10 +30 ish should be alright in the front, and 17x10 +20 should be good in the back

however.
im a bit sketchy about running the 10 in the front.
gotta make sure theres enough space to run a 10
with nico running just a 9, he had to do some shaving of the frame.
i cant imagine what ud run into with a 10 in the front up there.
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Nicks running slammed on ksports with natural camber
Dunno the exact numbers
Also what did part of the frame did you have to shave because as I remember you mentioned something about this?
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lol how did i type Nicks as his name
ahah fken itouch auto fix...

but uh yea i wasnt there with him when he shaved it so imma have to ask him what exactly he did.
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inner fender is what i shaved and i still rub. o well lol
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inner fender is what i shaved and i still rub. o well lol
Where exactly on the inner fender are you rubbing? Do you rub going straight or only when making turns? Could you take a photo? I'm looking to see if I can eyeball the clearance as well on the wheel inside the fender. This opens up a new option as far as a wheel I was planning to run and I might recalculate my projected offset based on what I know and what you've done.
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i've got 30 inch rims of christmas ornaments and tinsel i made in my basement
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